Pro12 final buildup

neiliog93 · 28-05-2015 3:51pm

Glasgow with Matawalu scoring a last minute try with a swan dive

Those stats don't tell the full story though. If you're objective about it, it's hard to deny than Glasgow would be the more likely to score off turnover ball inside their own half than Munster. Horne, Seymour, Matawalu, Hogg, Van Der Merwe et al are more dangerous than the Munster backs.

zambrotta11 · 28-05-2015 3:54pm

Glasgow

Is there any word on Conor Murray yet?

Cookiemunster · 28-05-2015 4:15pm

Glasgow

neiliog93 wrote: »

Those stats don't tell the full story though. If you're objective about it, it's hard to deny than Glasgow would be the more likely to score off turnover ball inside their own half than Munster. Horne, Seymour, Matawalu, Hogg, Van Der Merwe et al are more dangerous than the Munster backs.

Yet Munster have scored more trys than them this season. In the matches between the two teams it was 2 trys each in Scotstoun with their second rows scoring both and 4 trys to 1 to Munster in Cork with a forward scoring their only try.

neiliog93 · 28-05-2015 4:30pm

Glasgow with Matawalu scoring a last minute try with a swan dive

Cookiemunster wrote: »

Yet Munster have scored more trys than them this season. In the matches between the two teams it was 2 trys each in Scotstoun with their second rows scoring both and 4 trys to 1 to Munster in Cork with a forward scoring their only try.

The weather at the end of May is likely to be significantly better than during the regular season, suiting counter-attacking teams. Munster have been very effective at times in generating ultra quick ball through fast-paced, extremely aggressive carrying and recycling. This is almost impossible to defend against. I would still say that off turnover ball, Glasgow are significantly more dangerous. 5 tries over the course of 22 games is a negligible difference and for much of the reason it's 4 degrees, raining and extremely windy.

neiliog93 · 28-05-2015 4:32pm

Glasgow with Matawalu scoring a last minute try with a swan dive

Cookiemunster wrote: »

Yet Munster have scored more trys than them this season. In the matches between the two teams it was 2 trys each in Scotstoun with their second rows scoring both and 4 trys to 1 to Munster in Cork with a forward scoring their only try.

The weather at the end of May is likely to be significantly better than during the regular season, suiting counter-attacking teams. Munster have been very effective at times in generating ultra quick ball through fast-paced, extremely aggressive carrying and recycling. This is almost impossible to defend against. I would still say that off turnover ball, Glasgow are significantly more dangerous. 5 tries over the course of 22 games is a negligible difference and for much of the season it's 4 degrees, raining and extremely windy. Thus try recounts only partly reflect backline threat.

neiliog93 · 28-05-2015 4:33pm

Glasgow with Matawalu scoring a last minute try with a swan dive

Apologies for the duplicate.

total former · 28-05-2015 5:03pm

Glasgow

Cookiemunster wrote: »

Yet Munster have scored more trys than them this season. In the matches between the two teams it was 2 trys each in Scotstoun with their second rows scoring both and 4 trys to 1 to Munster in Cork with a forward scoring their only try.

Munster were very impressive that night in Cork but the Glasgow backline will be totally different on Saturday, a Warriors team without Pyrgos, Russell and Hogg is a very different side to what will run out in Belfast.

Cookiemunster · 29-05-2015 12:02pm

Glasgow

As expected no Murray, but no POM either :-(.

MunXV vWarriors: Jones; Earls, Smith, Hurley(c), Zebo; Keats, Williams; Killer, Guinazu, BJ; Holland, PO’C; DRyan, Butler, CJ

Replacements: Casey, Cronin, Archer, Dougall, O’Donoghue, Sheridan, Hanrahan, RO’Mahony

total former · 29-05-2015 12:02pm

Glasgow

Big news there is that Matawalu is dropped to the bench. This is bad news for Munster. Better news for Munster is Al Kellock not making it back from injury, only fit enough to bench and replaced by Nakarawa.

thomond2006 · 29-05-2015 12:02pm

Munster:
Felix Jones; Keith Earls, Andrew Smith, Denis Hurley - capt., Simon Zebo; Ian Keatley, Duncan Williams;
Dave Kilcoyne, Eusebio Guinazu, BJ Botha; Billy Holland, Paul O'Connell; Donnacha Ryan, Paddy Butler, CJ Stander.

Replacements: Duncan Casey, James Cronin, Stephen Archer, Sean Dougall, Jack O'Donoghue, Cathal Sheridan, JJ Hanrahan, Ronan O'Mahony

Big story is Botha in for Archer. POM and Murray out. Ryan back to 6.

phog · 29-05-2015 12:03pm

Two of top players missing for the final and we're without TOD too.

Still think we can do it.

thomond2006 · 29-05-2015 12:05pm

Niko on the bench. He'll get quite a reception when he comes on.

Nakarawa starts this week, that is worrying. Absolutely brilliant player.

Mahatma Geansai · 29-05-2015 12:39pm

This is going to be tough. Munster are missing a handful of important front-line players, including two of our three world-class players (Murray and POM).

Whatever the outcome, this is going to be quite a bitter-sweet game. I couldn't enjoy last week's win due to it being POC's last game in Thomond, I don't know how I'll feel about this being POC's last ever game in Munster red. If POC plays on for another 2 years, we might yet see him pull on two more famous red jerseys though.

Congrats to Denis Hurley on his role as captain. A fantastic way to end an impressive season where he has reinvented himself as a centre.

phog · 29-05-2015 12:46pm

Botha making his 100th appearance for us too.

Larbre34 · 29-05-2015 12:55pm

Glasgow with Matawalu scoring a last minute try with a swan dive

Hard to know where to give the nod here. Still a decent Munster pack, but I think the Glasgow backs offer more as a group and yet the forecast is for rain by kick off. The amount of tickets which will probably find their way to Munster fans might just carry them home.

Munster 22-17 Glasgow or so......

sydthebeat · 29-05-2015 1:25pm

Glasgow

my neutral head is saying Glasgow by 3-5 points... mainly due to two factors

1. munster without POM and especially murray becomes significantly less controlling
2. glasgows half backs are better

Fireball07 · 29-05-2015 4:46pm

Glasgow

If we win without Murray, it'd be some achievement. His loss is almost incalculable; we got humiliated by Saracens without him. No POM either and the pack just loses a little edge, and no TOD either.

Butler did well the last day and Holland has had a fine season but Ryan lacks the dynamism of POM, he'll bring a lot of physicality for sure but there's now a big emphasis on Killer & Stander as carriers. POM as a defensive lineout option is class too.

The Glasgow team looks strong as well, I just worry about what we can do without Murray

CatFromHue · 29-05-2015 5:46pm

Glasgow

In fairness Williams played most of the game last week, came on when it was 3 all on the 16 min mark, and played well.

The Glasgow team does look strong but they looked like a team who didn't know how to win a big match last weekend. They have been wobbling a bit recently too, that draw against Leinster, losing to Ospreys, they weren't great against Ulster either.

blackdog1 · 29-05-2015 5:55pm

My money's on munster. Ulster took Glasgow apart at set piece but weren't ruthless enough. Munster will do the same but think they ll take their chances

budhabob · 29-05-2015 8:02pm

Glasgow

Anyone know of any bar in Dubrovnik that might be showing the match? A few Irish bars in old town, just thought I'd chance asking here.

vienne86 · 30-05-2015 9:17am

Glasgow

I'm gutted for Munster that Murray is out - Williams did well last week, so fingers crossed for ye. Should be a cracking match.

aimee1 · 30-05-2015 9:33am

blackdog1 wrote: »

My money's on munster. Ulster took Glasgow apart at set piece but weren't ruthless enough. Munster will do the same but think they ll take their chances

Glasgow 6-10 is a far stronger which could be telling. munster missing 3 internationals (6n winners) is a huge loss

Keatley cannot have another shocker if munster are to win

lazybones32 · 30-05-2015 9:43am

I want Munster to win but think Glasgow will edge it - they have been consistent for the Season.
The loss of Murray is big but Duncan has shown that he can supply a decent standard. His box-kicks have been read too easily and blocked, so I hope this aspect has been improved.
Will Jekyll or Hyde play at 10?...

phog · 30-05-2015 9:49am

Almost ready to hit the road.

Safe journey to all the travelling support. Hope its a great game most of all a Munster Win.

G'wan Munster.

.ak · 30-05-2015 9:51am

Anyone doing a match thread?

total former · 30-05-2015 10:18am

Glasgow

I think that Glasgow are the better team on paper, especially given Munster injuries, but they haven't impressed in recent weeks. If Munster can cut out the errors we saw last week, then they'll do it.

Munster to win, should be a good game.

Del.Monte · 30-05-2015 10:24am

Glasgow with Matawalu scoring a last minute try with a swan dive

Heart says Munster but head says Glasgow. If Ian Keatley has another kicking nightmare like last week and Duncan Williams doesn't turn in his best performance ever...

Hermy · 30-05-2015 11:11am

If it is O'Connell's last game in red I think this Munster team are gonna be really up for it like never before.
Don't know if that's enough to beat Glasgow but let's hope so.

dregin · 30-05-2015 11:21am

Any of ye hitting town for this??

P.S. Where's the pints sticky gone??

its_phil · 30-05-2015 11:41am

Hermy wrote: »

If it is O'Connell's last game in red I think this Munster team are gonna be really up for it like never before.
Don't know if that's enough to beat Glasgow but let's hope so.

Could say the same for Glasgow and Aly Kellock

Buer · 30-05-2015 11:55am

Glasgow

To be honest, I can't see Munster losing this one and that's not sandbagging. They've a much better pedigree, will have the support and have the better players as well as being bang in form. They'll miss Murray and POM but Glasgow don't have Bennett, Dunbar, Maitland, Grant or Murray in their 23.

I expect them to front up and squeeze out the win by 6-10.

Stheno · 30-05-2015 11:57am

What times kick off lads?

moleyv · 30-05-2015 12:14pm

18.30 I think

Stheno · 30-05-2015 12:17pm

moleyv wrote: »

18.30 I think

Yeah looked it up

it's the one Saturday of the month where ohs adult kids are over so the logistics of feeding and watering them had to be factored in

Off to Duffys in Malahide we shall be

mfceiling · 30-05-2015 12:20pm

Munster to win this. They have to do this for POC.

Keatley needs to remember how to kick properly from the tee. Some of his kicks were like something you'd see in an U12 game.

Love to see Paulie lift the trophy. Unbelievable stalwart for Munster and Ireland.

Teferi · 30-05-2015 5:14pm

Objectively a win for Glasgow is healthier for the competition and will do a lot more for Scottish rugby than a win for Munster will do here. POC's last game for Munster though and I'd prefer an Irish win.

krustycustomer · 30-05-2015 5:23pm

Anyone know a pub in London / East London showing this during the soccer?

gazump123 · 30-05-2015 6:00pm

Think Munster will win. Don't see Keatley kicking that bad 2 weeks in a row.

razorblunt · 30-05-2015 6:10pm

"We want to win this game ya know" Anthony Foley.

I bloody well hope so, it's the League Final.

bilston · 30-05-2015 6:13pm

Good luck to Munster this evening. Hope you do it.

I have one query of the Pro 12. Why is the Pro 12 final clashing with the FA Cup final?

Stheno · 30-05-2015 6:17pm

bilston wrote: »

Good luck to Munster this evening. Hope you do it.

I have one query of the Pro 12. Why is the Pro 12 final clashing with the FA Cup final?

Yeah annoying that

I've created a match thread albeit a rubbish one

RuggieBear · 30-05-2015 6:35pm

just close this as match thread open

Pro12 final buildup

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