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Classic insurance - companies & brokers

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  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 17,752 Mod ✭✭✭✭Henry Ford III


    My cover is up on the RS2000 in a few days. First Ireland quoted €273 for comp. which i thought was ok, as it included an extra benefits package.

    www.odon.com quoted €255, and Eirecooled indicated €190.

    First Ireland checked them all out, and came back to me matching the €190. I was very happy to renew :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9 hellocrazy


    Fiat 900t Campervan + Fiat 500


    I moved back to Ireland recently after 7 years in Scotland,with my 1970 fiat 500 and 1981 Fiat Amigo campervan which was an ordeal in itself but since I got back to Dublin I have found that keeping them both on the road is going to be very costly. My insurance in Uk for the 500 was only £70, which is around 120euro comparred to the 440 euro quote i got in Ireland of which the car must be garaged at night. Appart from loving my 500 one main factor in the Uk was that it was so cheap to maintain and free road tax.

    As for my campervan, her insurance was only £82 in the UK of which the insurance here is 510euro which i got quoted also from carolenash in Dublin which is a huge hike.

    Ill not have to pay the vrt as ive owned them both for well over a year but the terms of carolenash is that the campervan is garaged also.

    This is where my problems start, as I only have one garage, and the 500 just about fits in alone, leaving the campervan outside.

    I have advertised them both on gumtree.ie for sale, as which ever one is sold first, I will keep the other, as asside from paying about the guts of 1000euro for both there insurance compared to the 300 euro in UK, I have no where to keep one.

    Im writing this to get advise on what I could do or if anyone knows a really cheap little garage i could rent in dublin 15 or could anyone tell me why is ireland still so expensive for classic car insurance. Both these vehicles barely see 2000 miles a year each and neithre of them do over 60mph so i really dont understand why its so expensive considering my work car a 02 hyundai accent can be insured with axa for only 530euro fully comp and its 1.3 and will easily do 100mph.

    Thanks.

    http://www.gumtree.ie/dublin/40/15759240.html

    http://www.gumtree.ie/dublin/78/15306278.html

    P.S I did try advertising on adverts.ie but I was unable to access step 2 of 1.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,037 ✭✭✭shagman


    The good news is campervans / motorhomes get special rates for tax vrt and insurance. Road tax is about €60 a year and insurance is €300 - €350 through dolmen or stuarts brokers. Have a look on the campervan section on here and I'm sure you'll find more specific details.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,901 ✭✭✭deckie27


    Hellocrazy

    Do Irish insurance companys recognise your scotish no claims bonus?
    If they do check out www.eircooled.com
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  • Registered Users Posts: 80 ✭✭beanderb4


    HelloCrazy,

    Give Axa a shout. I had three cars insured with them for a total of £460. They charge you mainly for the first car and then only charge you about €50 - €80 for each subsequent car. Two of my cars are Fiats - I've a '68 500 and a '69 2.0L Dino Spider plus a '69 2.8L Merc so you should be able to do better than me!!!!

    Best of luck, great to see another lover of Fiats on the site.:D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9 hellocrazy


    HI,

    I just called the IVS and spoke to a very pleasant gentleman.

    He informed me that to obtain the insurance You need to join there club at a cost of 30euro, and further to that, that to insure my fiat 500 3rd party, fire and theft was 195euro. The price above Posted earlier was slightly less.


    My 500 does not drive on LPG but my modern car does and I find it a complete waste of time buying it. its nearly the same price as petrol and
    even though I live in dublin, my nearest station is fifteen miles away.
    I believe after some research that LPG will be removed from garages in ireland stated by calor gas. I cant be sure of this informations origin, I just wonder why are people talking about when it cant be purchased in the republic for the cheaper prices its sold for in the north.

    REGARDS.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 88,972 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    Do IVS only insure your classic as a "second" car?

    Mike.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9 hellocrazy


    I have found the best and the cheapest classic insurance from www.odon.com

    Before calling O’Driscoll, O’Neil at the above link, I contacted several other classic insurers all who gave me the run around.

    AXA refused insurance because my classic was modified, but advised me to get an engineers report and then they might insure it third party fire and theft for no lower than 425Euro.

    Carolenash refused me under the fact that the car had a different engine. Apparently this is classed as a modification, so note your engine and chassis numbers match up.

    Should you ever be in an accident and the insurance assessor locates different information, this can give them the right to reject your policy due to incorrect information.

    Ann from O'Driscoll O'Neil www.odon.com advised me that they do require an engineer's report but that this is with regard to the cars overall condition.

    The premium was based on that the car would be garaged at my home address over night, but it was stressed to me that if the car had been tampered with outside a different address, I was still fully insured.

    The cover included a full breakdown package should I ever breakdown. Highly unlikely being a fiat..!!

    Like modern car insurance O'Driscoll O'Neil term your quotation based on your personal information and on the size of the engine. Owning a Fiat 500 I know of very few smaller classic cars and assumed I was in for a bargain.

    Imagine my disbelief when they quoted me 185euro, fully comp for my 1970 fiat 500and 50euro for every other car on the policy. The insurance commenced straight away and it could not have been any easier.

    I’m very happy and for once Ireland is not ripping me off as the combined insurance is lower than what I would have paid in the UK.

    Thanks to those of you who advised me about www.odon.com. and other classic insurers.

    Happy Motoring.


  • Registered Users Posts: 47 Deesse


    Hi all. I just joined as i'm thinking of buying a Citroen DS from England. After reading this thread I rang IVS after I rang Carol Nash, with whom I have a motorcycle policy (euro700/year!), and was politely told to get lost as they'd only insure me if i also had an everyday car! I asked why it had to be a "car", when my "everyday" is a motorbike, but it was like talking to an automaton - no logical argument allowed!

    Anyway, feeling a bit sick - a common feeling when talking to insurance companies - i rang the IVS mentioned here, and I spoke to a very nice and easy going sort of man. He said that they could insure a 2.3L Citroen for 195 a year. He said that the application form insists i have another vehicle, but said that he didn't see any problem with it being a motorcycle. He insisted that they (the IVS) were a "friendly society" and that they were about helping people enjoy their cars rather that putting obstacles in the way.

    My reservation (insurance just makes ya so cynical!) is that when i asked him to send me the form for a look, he said that i'd have to pay 30 quid to join first. He seemed genuine, but is he being honest? Does anyone here have any advise or experience with them?

    Any advice on how to proceed would be really appreciated:)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 88,972 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    IVS only ask that you be a member of the society, how else do you think they fund all the niceness? :)

    Mike.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 47 Deesse


    mike65 wrote: »
    IVS only ask that you be a member of the society, how else do you think they fund all the niceness? :)

    Mike.
    Thanks Mike. I'd find that funny, only I read Dade's post #24 saying that when he got the application form from IVS, it asked for a "copy of his private car insurance policy" although i think he'd just been told on the phone prior to becomming a member that he was supposed to have another everyday vehicle. So what IS the case with them? Will they insure me with my motorbike insuarance or not?
    I suppose I'm asking if it's whoever underwrites the policy that IVS is selling that needs to be satisfied, or does the nice kindly gentleman on the phone line really have the discretion to say who they insure or not?
    Does anyone know?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,164 ✭✭✭Quigs Snr


    Hi, quick one. Trying to surprise the old man by insuring his classic project for xmas. ODN have given me a great quote, however they need an engineers report (car is 30yrs old exactley). Now problem is that I can't exactley sneak a mechanic into the garage to give it the once over ! So how do I make it a surprise, are there any other insurers that might not require the report ? (apart from Irish Vintage Society, the whole sending off membership in the post with Postal orders etc... does not appeal to me at this time of the year, time is short etc...).

    Who can do an engineers report ? My own brother is an apprentice mechanic, what qualifications are required ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,451 ✭✭✭blastman


    Another quick question, lads, does classic insurance only apply if a car is 30 years old? Is it possible to get a classic-type policy with a car aged 15 or over?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 88,972 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    20 years is the usual but some companies say they can make exceptions for certain special (ie rare/valuable) vehicles.

    Mike.


  • Registered Users Posts: 347 ✭✭John Dough


    A couple of questions you veterans might know!!

    Does anyone know of a Renault club in Ireland?

    Is there anyone doing classic mechanical repairs?

    How much is motor tax on a 2litre classic?

    I tried ICON for insurance but there classic site is down ATM

    Thanks for any help and suggestions.:confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,718 ✭✭✭romperstomper


    hi guys, first off great thread.

    i have just insured my first classic, '88 300s W126 through odon

    nearly 100 yo yos cheaper than axa (next nearest) and a very reasonable 280! (comp)

    v. happy with that


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 88,972 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    Did you insure it as your only car or is it the weekend cruiser?

    Mike.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,718 ✭✭✭romperstomper


    weekend cruiser. the only ppl who can afford this thing as an everyday car have sheik as their first name!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8 stevers


    Hi there. First off id like to say fair play to all of ye helping each other out with each others problems. I think its great especially with cars.
    Im currently doing up a 1983 mini city E. Im driving next april and would love to drve my mini..i have read other posts saying that you have to be a lest twenty five to be insured to drive a classic car...needless to say three years ago when i first got the car i didnt even think of this!!
    and so to my question..

    is there anyone out there at all that will quote a 17 year old with a provisional licence to drive a 998cc mini? Thanks.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,901 ✭✭✭deckie27


    stevers wrote: »
    Hi there. First off id like to say fair play to all of ye helping each other out with each others problems. I think its great especially with cars.
    Im currently doing up a 1983 mini city E. Im driving next april and would love to drve my mini..i have read other posts saying that you have to be a lest twenty five to be insured to drive a classic car...needless to say three years ago when i first got the car i didnt even think of this!!
    and so to my question..

    is there anyone out there at all that will quote a 17 year old with a provisional licence to drive a 998cc mini? Thanks.


    You would have to insure it as a main car.
    Best try and get your test would be a huge help


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8 stevers


    deckie27 wrote: »
    You would have to insure it as a main car.
    Best try and get your test would be a huge help
    yeah im hoping to do my test as soon as i can. but you see my main car would be a 93 corolla 1.4. i looked at insuring the two of them but i just cant afford it. Ive been thinking since though...could my grandmother get the policy in her name with me as a named driver?? She doesnt have a car and shes a fully licenced named driver on my grandfathers policy for the last 50 odd years or is this worth even looking into?

    This is discrimination at its highest..firstly insurance costs me more beause im male..secondly insurance costs e more again because im under 25..cant wait to be old!!! no offense!!:L


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,477 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    Does anyone know if being on a company car policy and having a company car can qualify you to insure a classic cheaply with limited mileage?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,707 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    colm_mcm wrote: »
    Does anyone know if being on a company car policy and having a company car can qualify you to insure a classic cheaply with limited mileage?

    Dunno, sorry.

    It is possible though if you are a named driver on your partners car!


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    unkel wrote: »
    It is possible though if you are a named driver on your partners car!
    I was told a few years ago the second car had to belong to your "spouse", rather than your partner.

    Unconstitutional I'm sure, but you might want to check it, colm_mcm.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,318 ✭✭✭✭carchaeologist


    mike65 wrote: »
    Do IVS only insure your classic as a "second" car?

    Mike.
    I think so, i have my chevette insured with them, and i needed another policy to insure it under and had to get a garage report done on the car, they send you the form,the garage fills it in and they have to put their stamp on it,its like a mini NCT:Dbut it wasnt a problem after that,180eu last year i think 3rd party with a 5000mile limit,which i wouldnt even come close to doing, and they are very friendly and professional people in the IVS. I have my datsun 100A with FBD, 3rd party only,360eu for the year,but they didnt want a garage report,they insured me there and then no problem at all.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 88,972 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    Cheers for the feedback. If I ever do get round to a classic it looks like my, ahem 'everyday car' will be a 1 litre trolley.

    Mike.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,318 ✭✭✭✭carchaeologist


    Some have called my datsun the same!!:D:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 587 ✭✭✭richieg


    I was thinking about buying a mkII escort and running it under classic insurance. However the 1 thing I am wondering about is how do insurance companies respond to cars with modifications?
    Do they insure at all or charge a hefty premimum?
    Is there a certain limit with regard to what modifications you could get away with and certain ones you will not?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,707 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    Dades wrote: »
    I was told a few years ago the second car had to belong to your "spouse", rather than your partner.

    That's probably still the case. Thanks for clarifying!


  • Registered Users Posts: 3 dodge69


    hi there.i was woundering would you know of any insurance company that would insure some one under 25,,i have a full licence for 3 years and ncb..im looking ay bringing in an old skool muscle car from america


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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    dodge69 wrote: »
    hi there.i was woundering would you know of any insurance company that would insure some one under 25,,i have a full licence for 3 years and ncb..im looking ay bringing in an old skool muscle car from america
    Um, you have no chance methinks. If you even could get a quote it would be exorbitant - and not as a classic. Blues.

    For the older amongst us - I got my renewal quote from AXA for the SL last week and rang around the usual places to see if I could save anything (First Ireland, Carole Nash etc.) None were able to compete. No garage, and no mileage limit were my criteria.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2 FearnaGaillimhe


    here's a question to challenge the brightest among you....totally hypathetical and a fantasy at the mo but any info will still be greatly appreciated. Dynacorn International Ltd have started ,in the last couple of years, manufacturing 67/68 mustang shells with the approval of Ford...now, with these, it maybe (good chance m livin in a dream here!!) possible to get the shell with a right hand drive lay-out. And then I would be adding all the bits and pieces myself.....big project...but lets suppose for a while that its completely feasible....this 2008 produced car.....for insurance purposes...modified classic?? kit car?

    it's nice to dream!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,901 ✭✭✭deckie27


    You deffo won't get Classic insurance
    I don't know about Kit car


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,318 ✭✭✭✭carchaeologist


    here's a question to challenge the brightest among you....totally hypathetical and a fantasy at the mo but any info will still be greatly appreciated. Dynacorn International Ltd have started ,in the last couple of years, manufacturing 67/68 mustang shells with the approval of Ford...now, with these, it maybe (good chance m livin in a dream here!!) possible to get the shell with a right hand drive lay-out. And then I would be adding all the bits and pieces myself.....big project...but lets suppose for a while that its completely feasible....this 2008 produced car.....for insurance purposes...modified classic?? kit car?

    it's nice to dream!
    I reckon its only a matter of time before somone starts building new shells for mk2 escorts and the like aswell, such is the demand for these cars....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13 RozzBurrows


    ok i know youve answered a few of these, BUT im ganna try again

    Im a 21 year ild female with 1 year no claims on her own policy and i just got a 1978 MGB (1.8 L) roadster and am looking for insurance in Ireland, does anyone think I can get this and who will do me insurance?????????
    :(:(:confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,318 ✭✭✭✭carchaeologist


    Could be a tough one, though being female might help you, best thing to do is ring around and see how you get on. Best of luck with it:D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13 RozzBurrows


    its like a blunt stick in the eye ball, you get this amazing car, and they dont want to let you drive it!


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    I would have thought you'd get a reasonable non-classic quote on that car. Female driver, small engine, not huge value.

    Just because it's a "classic" doesn't mean it has to be insured on a classic policy. Cheap tax is the big saving in reality. AXA gave me a normal policy on a classic.

    Let us know how you get on. :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 523 ✭✭✭Lauder


    Just wondering if anyone knows can i get insured as a named driver on a classic. Its a MGB Roadster 1.8l and my dad has classic insurance on it(with hibernian). Im 20 male with a Full licence. Is there any hope out there for insurance, regardless of price?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13 RozzBurrows


    Dades wrote: »
    I would have thought you'd get a reasonable non-classic quote on that car. Female driver, small engine, not huge value.

    Just because it's a "classic" doesn't mean it has to be insured on a classic policy. Cheap tax is the big saving in reality. AXA gave me a normal policy on a classic.

    Let us know how you get on. :)


    so your saying i can get this insured under non classic with axa? coz im already with them, and they wouldnt insure me, but that was trying classic

    theres hope yet!


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  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 2,957 Mod ✭✭✭✭macplaxton


    I thought we came to the conclusion some time ago that the two insurers that didn't have an maximum vehicle age limit for standard car policies were AXA and Hibernian. There may be other brokers offering such cover, but I bet they're underwritten by AXA or Hibernian.

    My car is 35 years old and insured with AXA. It's on a regular policy as it's my daily driver and I didn't want a mileage restriction on it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13 RozzBurrows


    I tried both of those, neither would quote because of old car and young girl.

    I hate this country, I have no problem getting insured in England. Ireand has it's own stupid rules.

    Thanks for the help though, but moms given u trying. Were ganna try and keep me insured in ENgland for the next couple of months, seeing as Im ganna be living there in May anyway, only problem is the car has already been here 3 months, dunno if they will let me


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    I tried both of those, neither would quote because of old car and young girl.
    Did you try First Ireland? In hindsight I think it was these guys that insured a classic I had as a normal driver (same reason as macplaxton).


  • Registered Users Posts: 523 ✭✭✭Lauder


    Just been insured on my MGB roadster by First Ireland, i am only 20, licence for 1 month, insured as a normal car (not a classic policy) for €1460. happy enough with it. my main car 2.0TDi Passat cost me €1800 odd.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13 RozzBurrows


    so they will ensure a cassic, under a normal policy?
    how old is your roadster?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 524 ✭✭✭Mac 3


    Hi All, I have an insurance related question for ye that doesn't really deserve its own thread..

    I have an E30 BMW 325i convertible. Its used only during the fine weather and I do about 4000 miles during the summer. I have another car as my "daily driver" on a separate policy.

    My question is, does anyone know a company or broker that might consider an E30 Convertible as a classic? Most of the classic insurance companies have a stipulation that the car be 20 or more years old. Mine is a 1992, nearly the last of that line..

    If anyone has any ideas I'd be grateful.

    Thanks
    Mac


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    Although the 20yr rule isn't set in stone, I really don't think you have a chance of getting a classic policy for a '92 car. If you had a fleet of other classics, maybe, but really they will just look on it as a second car.

    Lovely motor though. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 524 ✭✭✭Mac 3


    Thanks for the reply Dades, thought there might have been some company that saw an opening. The term "Future Classics" hasn't caught on here yet and probably never will.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    Of course there's no harm in asking when you are researching a quote!

    That car will be an actual classic in 4-5 yrs. Before Beemers started looking like every other saloon.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,790 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    Silvera wrote: »
    Glad my info is of use shagman !

    Don't forget to mention where you got their details (i.e. give them the www.boards.ie address !;) )...........it may just lead to some of their members signing up to this forum - which would be great !

    Silvera.

    P.S. €845 for a 3 litre car (in everyday use!) doesn't sound too bad to me !

    Ho Hum, AXA covered my 94 968 full comp for...........604. That's even better !

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