Are there people on this website who would be glad to see Israel wiped out?

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Literally one sentence above the one you quoted, he said it was "atrocious"

Yes, I saw the "But" straight after "atrocious". There's no writing off what's happening to the Palestinians with pleas that essentially amount to "But you have to understand what happened to Jews". We know. I'm not long back from a very harrowing trip to Auschwitz and the ineffable evil there which I don't think any human being is capable of fully comprehending. The display of thousands upon thousands of toddlers' shoes, taken off them before they were exterminated, will remain in my memory forever.

Nevertheless, playing the Holocaust card as a means to "understand" why Palestinians are continuing to be treated as subhuman in every conceivable respect is a card that's well past its sell-by date. Like somebody said, it's the equivalent of the really abused child becoming an adult and beating the bejaysus out of other people who had nothing to do with abusing him. So many people play the Holocaust card out of a misguided belief that they're being balanced by "seeing both sides".

It's not "balanced"; it's making excuses for an Israeli state which is incomparably superior in every military and power-politics respect. It's an unbridled bully beating the living shít out of a military pain in the arse, not out of a military threat never mind an existential threat to the Israeli state. Pissing on the Palestinians is so much more about internal Likud and other rightwing thug politics within the Israeli state than it is about necessary "self-defence". And the illegal occupations getting bigger, much, much bigger in recent years... and the Palestinians are the aggressors?

The treatment of the Palestinians is not "understandable". It's a whole heap of crimes against humanity on a quotidian basis. Given the enormous power differential between the Israeli state and the motley crew of disorganised, fissiparous Palestinians and their in-fighting, treachery and everything else that comes from being on the weaker, conquered side of a settler-colonial occupation it's risible to justify it by the "Palestinian" or even the "Arab" threat. "Defending the state of Israel" has long gone beyond any actual defence and is simply about occupying more and more Palestinian land, flouting all international law and hoping that all these illegal Israeli settlements will - with sheer force, persistence and US support - compel the Palestinians and the world to accept the illegitimate land grab as legitimate some day. To then murder some 20 30 40 59 (at latest count) Palestinians as just happened in a single day this week and plead for "understanding" of the Israeli position is fúcking outrageous. Really. Get out of that garden.

The Israeli state is being directed by unconvicted (so far) war criminals and international law and human rights agreements are once again shown to be useful pawns of the United States which as chief sponsorer, financier and international defender of all these crimes against humanity has all the moral credibility it had while ethnically cleansing the native Americans from the planet, imprisoning hundreds of thousands of Filipinos (1890s) and Japanese (1940s) in concentration camps, overthrowing democracies in Guatemala (1954) and Chile (1973) and using chemical warfare against millions of people in southeast Asia.

I don't want Israel wiped out. But some of its defenders in the other thread here don't deserve to be on this Earth.

Never been more disgusted by anything in my life.