Are there people on this website who would be glad to see Israel wiped out?

Gatling · 10-05-2018 11:03pm

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

Where did you get that from? Maybe 50 years ago at the time of Nasser and the Six Days War but Israel and the Saudi/Gulf petro monarchy dictatorships are now staunch allies.

Funny how that worked out isn't it .

Iran got assad -isreal made friends with everyone else

Mackerel and Avocado Sandwich · 10-05-2018 11:03pm

I don't really care. Most Israelis I've met have lived up to certain stereotypes but I've met some nice ones too. Let's face it, if Palestine was freed and became a nation, it'd hardly be a bastion of progress and equality. It'd be another basket case Muslim state that would break into factions and start killing each other. ISIS, The Palestinian People's Front, the People's Front of Palestine, etc. etc.

Ronaldinho · 10-05-2018 11:10pm

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

We simply cannot coexist peacefully. There is no system that exists or could exist that would prevent people from being sh*tty to each other.

Look at the progress that has been made in Northern Ireland over the past couple of decades. It is perfectly possible.

Mackerel and Avocado Sandwich · 10-05-2018 11:16pm

Ronaldinho wrote: »

Look at the progress that has been made in Northern Ireland over the past couple of decades. It is perfectly possible.

A relatively rich Christian country that speaks English cannot be compared to anywhere in the Middle East.

holyhead · 10-05-2018 11:20pm

The creation of the nation of Israel is basically the source of the hate towards it in the Middle East. Palestinians were displaced to create a nation called Israel in 1948. The subsequent annexation of land by the Israeli's has caused further aggravation. From here it feels like the Israeli state views Palestinians as beneath them or being polite second class citizens. Surely Jewish people, of all the people in the world know what it's like to be oppressed. So why do they subject Palestinians to such oppressions. Yes there is a Palestinian state but the Israeli's seem determined to make the lives of their citizens miserable. Gaza is particularly a basket case in terms of living standards.
I have been to Israel twice and have enjoyed the experience. In many ways it is an impressive country. They have certainly maximised the opportunity the creation of a state gave them. However their attitude towards Palestinians leaves a lot to be desired. Yes some Palestinians have brought terror to the streets of Israel but the Israeli's have wreaked a vastly greater devastation, on Palestine through it's bombing raids. In military terms its David v's Goliath in favour of Israel.
I certainly would not want Israel to be wiped off the map. It is there now and the Israeli's deserve great credit on many fronts for the modern Israel we see today. However until they change their attitude towards Palestinians they will continue to be hated my many people around the world.

Try_harder · 10-05-2018 11:22pm

The song does my head in!

Go Cyprus!

Wibbs · 10-05-2018 11:23pm

Nope. I most certainly think Israel has a right to exist and yep am glad it does. However I do not agree nor condone their wholesale plantation by overwhelming force supported by the US to keep driving indigenous people's from their homes and land. I'm also starting to get a pain in my arse with their mouthpieces goto "antisemitism" as a defence. Oh don't get me wrong, the various Palestinian factions with their own supporters are no angels, not by a bloody long shot, but I can understand to a large degree why they get the support that they do and why people would sympathise with their plight.

ameirecan wrote:

The UN agreed to establishment of Israel in 1948. Do you disagree with this decision?

I do not. Do you disagree with the UN resolutions condemning Israel's aggressive expansionist actions down the years? More resolutions than all other countries combined? So I'd be a bit more careful looking to the UN as some sort of moral and political authority for your position. It goes both ways.

riffmongous · 10-05-2018 11:25pm

Gatling wrote: »

Funny how that worked out isn't it .

Iran got assad -isreal made friends with everyone else

We're friends with brutal dictatorships, yay?

CelticRambler · 10-05-2018 11:26pm

Ipso wrote: »

Well in the 1930's and 40's there were reasons for people leaving Europe?

And in the 50s and 60s and 70s and 80s and 90s and 00s ... so they did, and they moved to many different habitable parts of the planet.

There is one, and only one, reason why people from all over the world were - and continue to be - encouraged to settle in a tiny part of the Middle East (and if you're not a paid-up member of the Chosen People, you can stay on the other side of the wall, thanks very much).

AllForIt · 10-05-2018 11:30pm

PropJoe10 wrote: »

No, but I wouldnt mind seeing Netanyahu disappearing.

He seems to be some piece of work alright. He's also the ugliest looking man I've ever seen in my life, he make's Dr. PHIL look attractive.

fly_agaric · 10-05-2018 11:34pm

ameirecan wrote: »

It has taken advantage of the civil war in Syria to establish military installations closer to the Israeli border in preparation for attacks like we saw recently.

Has not every country in that region + many of the world's big powers (US, Russia) been involved in what is going on in Syria + "taken advantage" of the situation where they can?

Israel has bombed Syria several times over the past few years. Israel has also I think given money and weapons to the various "Islamist" rebels in Syria to oppose Iran and also because having Syria quite weak and unstable is a net benefit in their calculus.

As regards Iran itself, Israel has been strongly warning the US about Iran's "WMDs" + urging a preemptive US attack on Iran [Iraq mark II!] for a least a decade now [to try & turn it into another weak, failed state].

Are there people on this website who would be glad to see Israel wiped out?

There's probably some (not naming any handles!) but none have posted here yet I think!

vg88 · 10-05-2018 11:37pm

After going to Isreal I realised it's entirely different then what I saw/heard on the news. I use to follow a lot RT 'news' when I was younger and thought Isreal was just an evil place who wanted to wipe out Palestine. After realising RT is Russian propaganda I really wanted to see how it really was in Isreal.

After visiting the country and realising it's a very diverse place with massive differing opinions from strong jewish beliefs to barely connected jewish beliefs and like wise with muslims, I believe Isreal is a great place for anyone who lives there whatever religion or race they are IMO. You can be who or what you want there. As one of the gay muslims told me 'it's the only safe place in the middle east for them'. While a lovely jewish gril was telling the first time they meet someone from a different faith was in university (similar to our religious catholic/protestant schools) showing they know they need to work on better intergration within the communites. There was a big want to just get on with everyone and from what I felt no one on either side wanted to fight but just get on and lot has to do with the leaders of every side being slightly extreme.

It is a lovely place to visit if people would try without prejudice

ArchXStanton · 10-05-2018 11:44pm

moloner4 wrote: »

After going to Isreal I realised it's entirely different then what I saw/heard on the news. I use to follow a lot RT 'news' when I was younger and thought Isreal was just an evil place who wanted to wipe out Palestine. After realising RT is Russian propaganda I really wanted to see how it really was in Isreal.

After visiting the country and realising it's a very diverse place with massive differing opinions from strong jewish beliefs to barely connected jewish beliefs and like wise with muslims, I believe Isreal is a great place for anyone who lives there whatever religion or race they are IMO. You can be who or what you want there. As one of the gay muslims told me 'it's the only safe place in the middle east for them'. While a lovely jewish gril was telling the first time they meet someone from a different faith was in university (similar to our religious catholic/protestant schools) showing they know they need to work on better intergration within the communites. There was a big want to just get on with everyone and from what I felt no one on either side wanted to fight but just get on and lot has to do with the leaders of every side being slightly extreme.

It is a lovely place to visit if people would try without prejudice

Did you visit Palestine?

Gatling · 10-05-2018 11:48pm

riffmongous wrote: »

We're friends with brutal dictatorships, yay?

Quite the opposite there are brutal dictatorships

Which neither side seems to have an end game ,

It's a Iran Vs Israel
Iran Vs Saudi
Iran Vs Jordan
Iran Vs America
Iran Vs Iraq
Iran Vs turkey

tupenny · 10-05-2018 11:49pm

Yes.

Jeff2 · 10-05-2018 11:53pm

And the media talk about Russian bots online.
Paid shills.?

tupenny · 10-05-2018 11:59pm

I dislike Israel, i dislike Jews. Even beyond their treatment of Palestinians , they're an enclosed weirdo cult ..
Theres a reason israel isnt recognised by U.N

tupenny · 11-05-2018 12:01am

Here comes the ban

Ipso · 11-05-2018 12:02am

You'll have something to boast about on Stormfront.

Irish Praetorian · 11-05-2018 12:03am

You know for the amount of defending of Israel I've done on this site over the past few years (twas the reason I registered - debate was getting stale elsewhere) I really should be owed like a few million in back pay surely?

As for what to do with Israel today, I certainly wouldn't see it disappear but I definitely think they (and the Palestinians) have lost sight of the urgency of an enduring peace deal. Israel needs to cut the crap, reach a deal with the Palestinians on which settlements are to remain and which are to go, agree a border and let the Palestinians have a state (or two which may need to be the case) that the Palestinians can in turn police effectively, to ensure there isn't a Gaza 2.0 situation. I know people like to think mass movements of people either into or out of Israel are viable but realistically they are pipe dreams, and far less insidious than the kind of small scale movement the settlement process entails - all the more reason to aggressively pursue a peace deal.

Overheal · 11-05-2018 12:05am

I would wipe out this thread

Irish Praetorian · 11-05-2018 12:09am

Overheal wrote: »

I would wipe out this thread

Wouldn't worry about it, posts like his tend to 'disappear' reasonably quickly, along with all responses to them. Ironic that it should happen in a thread about Israel and the kind of nonsense you normally hear about Jewish conspiracies - wait, maybe they're onto something :eek:

Overheal · 11-05-2018 12:11am

Irish Praetorian wrote: »

Wouldn't worry about it, posts like his tend to 'disappear' reasonably quickly, along with all responses to them. Ironic that it should happen in a thread about Israel and the kind of nonsense you normally hear about Jewish conspiracies - wait, maybe they're onto something :eek:

Oh if you’re into that I’ve archived a good read for you over in the conspiracy theories forum. Can’t miss it. Well, I don’t.

Irish Praetorian · 11-05-2018 12:15am

Overheal wrote: »

Oh if you’re into that I’ve archived a good read for you over in the conspiracy theories forum. Can’t miss it. Well, I don’t.

I can only take these conspiracy theories in small amounts - in After Hours thrashing the occasional commonly held piece of juvenile naivete is like a justly applied biffing on a miscreants nose; on the conspiracy theory forums I suspect I'd be overrun like it's the zombie apocalypse.

Jeff2 · 11-05-2018 12:16am

It is gas that people make debate on this rather than just let the op have no response.

Ipso · 11-05-2018 12:24am

Irish Praetorian wrote: »

I can only take these conspiracy theories in small amounts - in After Hours thrashing the occasional commonly held piece of juvenile naivete is like a justly applied biffing on a miscreants nose; on the conspiracy theory forums I suspect I'd be overrun like it's the zombie apocalypse.

After Hours is like the premium lounge for the upper echelons of Mensa when compared to the Conspiracy Theory forum.

ameirecan · 13-05-2018 10:06am

Congrats to Israel on winning the Eurovision

MarkY91 · 13-05-2018 10:15am

The only issue I have with Israel is their Eurovision song. Otherwise, they're sound.

Zebra3 · 13-05-2018 10:32am

ameirecan wrote: »

Iran has openly and repeatedly called for an end to the existence of the Jewish state. It has taken advantage of the civil war in Syria to establish military installations closer to the Israeli border in preparation for attacks like we saw recently. I can't imagine the terror of having another state hell bent on your eradication. Reading some of the posts on here through it sounds like some people would welcome it.

Iran hasn’t taken any advantage of your so-called Syrian civil war (it’s not a civil war when foreign militaries are involved).

Iranian military are in Syria at the invitation of the UN recognised Syrian government. US military is in Syria breaking international law, basically as an occupying force-don’t expect this to be mentioned on BBC or Sky “News”.

Israeli bombing of Iranian military in Syria are war crimes. Imagine Iran bombing US military installations in Saudi Arabia.

As for wiping Israel off the map? Way to load up the debate. No mention of Israel wiping Palestine off the map. No mention of the Likud charter dedicated to eradicating Palestine. No mention of the continuos ethnic cleansing of Palestinians by Israeli terrorists in the occupied West Bank.

The UN decided Israel was to be established after WWII.

It would have been nice in the interests of democracy and fair play that they let the natives vote on it.

But in the era of the white man’s colonial power, the Palestinians were deemed subhumans, unworthy of any consideration. Their homes and land stolen. Ethnically cleansed, raped and murdered by Jewish extremists, well armed and well trained.

But yeh, let’s focus on Israel the victim. :rolleyes:

cantdecide · 13-05-2018 10:33am

Ricky Quaint Necktie wrote: »

No

This apparently conforms to Betteridge's Law of Headlines

Snake Plisken · 13-05-2018 11:07am

Zebra3 wrote: »

Iran hasn’t taken any advantage of your so-called Syrian civil war (it’s not a civil war when foreign militaries are involved).

Iranian military are in Syria at the invitation of the UN recognised Syrian government. US military is in Syria breaking international law, basically as an occupying force-don’t expect this to be mentioned on BBC or Sky “News”.

Israeli bombing of Iranian military in Syria are war crimes. Imagine Iran bombing US military installations in Saudi Arabia.

As for wiping Israel off the map? Way to load up the debate. No mention of Israel wiping Palestine off the map. No mention of the Likud charter dedicated to eradicating Palestine. No mention of the continuos ethnic cleansing of Palestinians by Israeli terrorists in the occupied West Bank.

The UN decided Israel was to be established after WWII.

It would have been nice in the interests of democracy and fair play that they let the natives vote on it.

But in the era of the white man’s colonial power, the Palestinians were deemed subhumans, unworthy of any consideration. Their homes and land stolen. Ethnically cleansed, raped and murdered by Jewish extremists, well armed and well trained.

But yeh, let’s focus on Israel the victim. :rolleyes:

The Mick Wallace of boards has spoken!

Madagascan · 14-05-2018 9:45am

those who were actually born in israel, the israel as per the 1948 borders, have a right to stay there. those born on occupied land who have israely citizenship, must get off that land. israel must stop it's illegal occupation and return all land, and go back within it's border.[/quote]

Would that include the thousands of Arab Israeli citizens as well?
Guess it would as they are Israeli as well.
Or maybe you just mean Jews?

Wanderer78 · 14-05-2018 9:48am

Advocating for the 'wiping out' of a nation, probably wouldn't be good for world peace!

end of the road · 14-05-2018 10:01am

Madagascan wrote: »

those who were actually born in israel, the israel as per the 1948 borders, have a right to stay there. those born on occupied land who have israely citizenship, must get off that land. israel must stop it's illegal occupation and return all land, and go back within it's border.

Would that include the thousands of Arab Israeli citizens as well?
Guess it would as they are Israeli as well.
Or maybe you just mean Jews?[/QUOTE]

anyone outside the 1948 borders must be put back within the 1948 borders.

Odhinn · 14-05-2018 10:26am

Wibbs wrote: »

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I do not. Do you disagree with the UN resolutions condemning Israel's aggressive expansionist actions down the years? More resolutions than all other countries combined? So I'd be a bit more careful looking to the UN as some sort of moral and political authority for your position. It goes both ways.

...resolutions all on the same issue. While other problems have eventually been solved to one extent or other - Angola, Apartheid South Africa & Rhodesia - Israel has continued on with it's expansionist agenda, getting further in breach as time goes on.

Hector Bellend · 14-05-2018 11:37am

It should be nuked for that eurovision entry

Herb Powell · 14-05-2018 11:48am

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Do I want to see the bulwark of western civilisation fall?

No is my answer

lol. I suppose it's keeping up the colonial bullshhit of Western Civilisation.

ameirecan wrote: »

You think the Israeli government spend money and resources to send people onto insignificant Irish internet sites with dwindling numbers to spread propaganda? Do you actually believe this or are you just trolling?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_diplomacy_of_Israel

14-05-2018 1:30pm

no, just taken from where it is and split, 33.33333% smack bang in the USA, 33.33333% smack bang in Milton Keynes and 33.33333....% in Frankfurt.... No lives lost just a postal address issue..

SnakePlissken · 14-05-2018 1:46pm

end of the road wrote: »

Or maybe you just mean Jews?

You have further shown yourself as a vile antisemitic dullard by (thankfully) being the only person to thank a post agreeing with the wiping out of an entire nation.

You're an absolute classless joke on every fora you partake in.

Mod: Banned for persistent personal abuse.

Odhinn · 14-05-2018 1:52pm

rusty cole wrote: »

no, just taken from where it is and split, 33.33333% smack bang in the USA, 33.33333% smack bang in Milton Keynes and 33.33333....% in Frankfurt.... No lives lost just a postal address issue..

Miami. Then again that's the south so they might be better off where they are.

riffmongous · 14-05-2018 1:59pm

SnakePlissken wrote: »

You have further shown yourself as a vile antisemitic dullard by (thankfully) being the only person to thank a post agreeing with the wiping out of an entire nation.

You're an absolute classless joke on every fora you partake in.

What EOTR thanked

Hapax Legomenon wrote: »

Yes, but bloodlessly.

So that'll be a no, essentially.

wakka12 · 14-05-2018 2:15pm

Who would want that? There are millions of innocent israeli children and probably millions of israelis who dont agree with what their government and army are doing to palestinians. Everyone just wishes for a total change to how the israeli government treats palestinians

BoJack Horseman · 14-05-2018 2:31pm

wakka12 wrote: »

Who would want that? There are millions of innocent israeli children and probably millions of israelis who dont agree with what their government and army are doing to palestinians. Everyone just wishes for a total change to how the israeli government treats palestinians

Nobody treats the Palestinian people worse than the Palestinian leadership.

It is odd that their plight is always blamed on Israel.

goose2005 · 14-05-2018 2:43pm

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

Nobody treats the Palestinian people worse than the Palestinian leadership.

the more Palestinians suffer, the worse Israel looks. Therefore it's in their interest for the ordinary Palestinian to be as miserable as possible

riffmongous · 14-05-2018 2:45pm

goose2005 wrote: »

the more Palestinians suffer, the worse Israel looks. Therefore it's in their interest for the ordinary Palestinian to be as miserable as possible

There is a very easy solution to that and yet we see the exact opposite from Israel. The likes of Bibi need the awful Palestinian leadership to keep themselves relevant. The end result is two populations getting ****ed over.

Grayson · 14-05-2018 2:50pm

ameirecan wrote: »

Iran has openly and repeatedly called for an end to the existence of the Jewish state. It has taken advantage of the civil war in Syria to establish military installations closer to the Israeli border in preparation for attacks like we saw recently. I can't imagine the terror of having another state hell bent on your eradication. Reading some of the posts on here through it sounds like some people would welcome it.

As boards resident crypto islamofascist I think it falls on me to say.......Wha?

utyh2ikcq9z76b · 14-05-2018 3:00pm

41 Palestinians massacred by the apartheid state of Israel so far today

BoJack Horseman · 14-05-2018 3:10pm

Lauren Helpless Beach wrote: »

41 Palestinians massacred by the apartheid state of Israel so far today

jihadis gonna jihad

but then, they are paid to attack the border fences and it's not like the billionaires running Hamas care about giving their people something more productive to do.

Madagascan · 14-05-2018 3:11pm

Lauren Helpless Beach wrote: »

41 Palestinians massacred by the apartheid state of Israel so far today

Israel is being attached by 35,000 people at the moment.
Hamas terrorists have fired shots at the IDF.
At least one bomb has exploded.
Petrol bombs and other weapons are being used.
Israel will not use Water Pistols in defence and Hamas know and rely on that.

vicwatson · 14-05-2018 3:12pm

Madagascan wrote: »

Israel is being attached by 35,000 people at the moment.
Hamas terrorists have fired shots at the IDF.
At least one bomb has exploded.
Petrol bombs and other weapons are being used.
Israel will not use Water Pistols in defence and Hamas know and rely on that.

Source?

Are there people on this website who would be glad to see Israel wiped out?

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