Knock/Eirtrade thread

Lurching · 06-08-2020 1:47pm

Inquitus wrote: »

How are they making a profit out of this, with the number of A380's being grounded and indeed scrapped, the market for parts must be flooded?

They may not make huge profit initially, but there isn't really much of an alternative. Harvesting the green-time out of the engines will be valuable in the long term.

Hotblack Desiato · 06-08-2020 4:04pm

The alloy content alone must be worth a fair bit.

Also if AF (or the lessor) parked it up and left it to go derelict somewhere they'd still have to pay parking fees.

The engines are usually leased from the engine manufacturer so the scrappers don't get anything out of that (except presumably a fee for removing them)

scudzilla · 11-08-2020 2:01am

Inquitus wrote: »

How are they making a profit out of this, with the number of A380's being grounded and indeed scrapped, the market for parts must be flooded?

At 35euro a keyring, quite easily i'd say

mickdw · 11-08-2020 7:01am

scudzilla wrote: »

At 35euro a keyring, quite easily i'd say

That racket wont last and likely the scrap company sold on the section of fuselage to keyring company for normal value, nothing close to the 35 per keyring price.

masit · 11-08-2020 8:54am

Is the second A380 still coming tomorrow? Haven’t heard as much about it as the first 1.

11-08-2020 10:08am

masit wrote: »

Is the second A380 still coming tomorrow? Haven’t heard as much about it as the first 1.

I’m sorry I don’t know. I haven’t heard anything since the last information. If the weather is ok then there is a good chance it will. But as always as this is merely a delivery flight with no passengers waiting the days and times can change radically.

Growler!!! · 11-08-2020 10:25am

masit wrote: »

Is the second A380 still coming tomorrow? Haven’t heard as much about it as the first 1.

According to the Knock spotters Facebook group the flight has been cancelled until further notice.

11-08-2020 11:13am

Growler!!! wrote: »

According to the Knock spotters Facebook group the flight has been cancelled until further notice.

Could you PM me a link to the Facebook group, or put up the link here?

masit · 11-08-2020 1:30pm

Growler!!! wrote: »

According to the Knock spotters Facebook group the flight has been cancelled until further notice.

Thanks, anyone know the reg so I can put it into flightradar alerts

leex · 11-08-2020 1:41pm

masit wrote: »

Thanks, anyone know the reg so I can put it into flightradar alerts

Possibly F-HPJD

https://westernpeople.ie/2020/07/14/knock-airport-expecting-another-big-visitor/#.XzKSHChKiUk

hopeso · 11-08-2020 2:20pm

leex wrote: »

Possibly F-HPJD

https://westernpeople.ie/2020/07/14/knock-airport-expecting-another-big-visitor/#.XzKSHChKiUk

Yes, it is F-HPJD that's due to arrive next. It's currently in Paris.

Joe390 · 12-08-2020 9:43am

Any word of the arrival today. I'm presuming it's canceled r thered be alot more hype I guess.

eastmayo · 12-08-2020 10:15am

Cancelled...if ya look at Google earth ya can see the A380 parked up in knock

Growler!!! · 12-08-2020 11:42am

Deleted User wrote: »

Could you PM me a link to the Facebook group, or put up the link here?

Knock Airport - Runwayside!

Im assuming its a spotters group

Joe390 · 22-11-2020 2:08pm

Any new pictures of the a380 at knock or how are they getting on with it. Is the next one stopped altogether or where is it at the moment.

hopeso · 22-11-2020 2:12pm

Joe390 wrote: »

Any new pictures of the a380 at knock or how are they getting on with it. Is the next one stopped altogether or where is it at the moment.

Someone mentioned yesterday that they have a good start made on the right wing.
The next one, F-HPJD, is still in Paris.

eastmayo · 22-11-2020 2:28pm

Taken today

hopeso · 22-11-2020 2:36pm

eastmayo wrote: »

Taken today

Looks like both wings will soon be gone...... Do you know if they have her gutted internally? It probably won't take too long once they get to the chopping stage....

eastmayo · 22-11-2020 2:42pm

hopeso wrote: »

Looks like both wings will soon be gone...... Do you know if they have her gutted internally? It probably won't take too long once they get to the chopping stage....

Its hard to no but they have been doing alot off work on the inside the last month or so.

g0g · 22-11-2020 3:55pm

Watched the recent BBC documentary (on youtube) about the death of the 747. It would be great if someone was capturing vids/pics of the process at Knock!

eastmayo · 28-11-2020 6:35pm

Today's update on A380

10-12-2020 2:14pm

Took another spin out here last weekend, sad and extraordinary sight for sure.

joujoujou · 10-12-2020 3:36pm

Heard something big on it's approach to landing (low clouds did not allow me to see what). Some search led me to conclusion that was probably the last flight of TS-INB. Will go there tomorrow or Sunday to look around.

leex · 10-12-2020 3:56pm

joujoujou wrote: »

Heard something big on it's approach to landing (low clouds did not allow me to see what). Some search led me to conclusion that was probably the last flight of TS-INB. Will go there tomorrow or Sunday to look around.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/ts-inb

joujoujou · 13-12-2020 8:09am

They are busy, I'd say.

Last Friday:

yew_tree · 16-12-2020 11:07am

https://westernpeople.ie/2020/12/16/good-news-for-knock-airport-as-new-project-will-create-100-jobs/

Planning in for new hanger which will accommodate the A380

Masala · 16-12-2020 4:23pm

yew_tree wrote: »

https://westernpeople.ie/2020/12/16/good-news-for-knock-airport-as-new-project-will-create-100-jobs/

Planning in for new hanger which will accommodate the A380

As matter of interest... what kind of money is involved building same??

Also - so who owns the Hangar??? Knock or Eirtrade??

mickdw · 16-12-2020 8:31pm

I said this before when we heard they were going to break an A380 but how is it allowable to do that work so close to live runway.
Look at the amount of crap thrown around the place. They are on top of a hill in the west of Ireland. A gust of wind blowing something onto the runway could result in a major incident.
The sooner this hanger is built, the better.

Noxegon · 16-12-2020 8:34pm

mickdw wrote: »

I said this before when we heard they were going to break an A380 but how is it allowable to do that work so close to live runway.
Look at the amount of crap thrown around the place. They are on top of a hill in the west of Ireland. A gust of wind blowing something onto the runway could result in a major incident.
The sooner this hanger is built, the better.

Fortunately there are hardly any flights at Knock

mickdw · 16-12-2020 8:36pm

There will be a few from now til january

irishgeo · 16-12-2020 9:06pm

mickdw wrote: »

I said this before when we heard they were going to break an A380 but how is it allowable to do that work so close to live runway.
Look at the amount of crap thrown around the place. They are on top of a hill in the west of Ireland. A gust of wind blowing something onto the runway could result in a major incident.
The sooner this hanger is built, the better.

A gust of wind blowing it that far is likely to keep it going over the hill.

yew_tree · 17-12-2020 12:28am

mickdw wrote: »

I said this before when we heard they were going to break an A380 but how is it allowable to do that work so close to live runway.
Look at the amount of crap thrown around the place. They are on top of a hill in the west of Ireland. A gust of wind blowing something onto the runway could result in a major incident.
The sooner this hanger is built, the better.

No doubt someone from another part of the country will object. Some clown in Wicklow made an objection to a proposed development a few years ago. Mad planning laws how someone the other side of the country can object.

yew_tree · 17-12-2020 12:29am

Masala wrote: »

As matter of interest... what kind of money is involved building same??

Also - so who owns the Hangar??? Knock or Eirtrade??

Not a clue, your asking the wrong person. I think a large part of land around the airport was designated an SDZ special zone? I’m not sure if it allows fast tracking of planning or not.

mickdw · 17-12-2020 12:49am

irishgeo wrote: »

A gust of wind blowing it that far is likely to keep it going over the hill.

You know and I know that Airports are not run on a 'be grand' basis so that hardly cuts it.
I worked at dublin airport on construction projects and certainly there, there was layer upon layer of paperwork before anything could be progressed. Permit for everything.

BonnieSituation · 17-12-2020 3:53am

mickdw wrote: »

You know and I know that Airports are not run on a 'be grand' basis so that hardly cuts it.
I worked at dublin airport on construction projects and certainly there, there was layer upon layer of paperwork before anything could be progressed. Permit for everything.

The "be grand" attitude worked when they built Knock though!

joujoujou · 17-12-2020 9:32am

Quite unlikely (however not impossible) to blow something onto the runway, as Southerly winds are there most of the time and their scrapyard is located north of the runway. And they have plenty of heavy shipping containers surrounding the place.

Hotblack Desiato · 17-12-2020 12:25pm

Hangars themselves can cause issues when the wind is blowing in the wrong direction e.g. at Shannon.

Irish Steve · 17-12-2020 10:55pm

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Hangars themselves can cause issues when the wind is blowing in the wrong direction e.g. at Shannon.

Long time ago now, but I well remember the hassles of landing on 23 at Dublin when the wind was slightly stronger than normal from around 20, the combination of Hangar 6 and the falling ground north of the threshold made for "interesting" landings in a light aircraft, especially if there was also a 747 on the holding point. A very late go around after a significant upset was a better option than a potentially bent aircraft.

MoeJay · 17-12-2020 11:40pm

Was Hangar 6 built before 23 closed...? Couldn't have been around at the same time for long?

Hotblack Desiato · 18-12-2020 11:32am

Seems so quaint now that light aircraft at DUB was once a thing.

Also runway 23 - must be very long ago if the magnetic pole has shifted that much :pac:

(joke)

Presume 05/23 went around the same time the present 10L/28R was built (I keep calling it 09/27 in my head....)

Irish Steve · 18-12-2020 12:03pm

05/23 was the main runway, and active until 10/28 was complete and ready for service. 99% of the time it was 23 that was in use, so while the construction of the new runway affected things, it wasn't usually significant, and there were no precision aids or procedures of any sort for the short runway (11/29 if I remember correctly)

The construction period made for interesting operations on 05, as during the construction, it meant the removal of all the approach lights on 05, with the result that I well remember one foul morning arriving in from the UK, having to hold some 40 miles out in my own private orbit at 6000 Ft for close on an hour as a heavy snow shower went through and closed everything, and then when things improved enough to be able to approach, having to fly an ILS on to 16 with a wind of 050 10G20, which made for an interesting crabbed approach, it was the one and only time I can remember looking out of the right hand seat window to see the runway, due to the offset required to maintain the localiser. The L1011, (yeah that long ago) on the holding point was a useful wind break at just the right moment, I couldn't use 05 as there were no lights at all at that end of the runway, and the cloudbase was too low for 34 to be usable, as there were no precision approaches for that runway either, and construction works for the new runway were also affecting operations on 34. It was an interesting period.

HTCOne · 18-12-2020 1:10pm

Irish Steve wrote: »

Long time ago now, but I well remember the hassles of landing on 23 at Dublin when the wind was slightly stronger than normal from around 20, the combination of Hangar 6 and the falling ground north of the threshold made for "interesting" landings in a light aircraft, especially if there was also a 747 on the holding point. A very late go around after a significant upset was a better option than a potentially bent aircraft.

29 would have been the worst affected by Hangar 6 no?

Irish Steve · 18-12-2020 4:58pm

HTCOne wrote: »

29 would have been the worst affected by Hangar 6 no?

If it was used with cross wind, yes, the same issues, but for 29 to be in use, the wind was strong from that direction, if it wasn't strong, the length was a limiting factor for the jet aircraft, so most of the time, it was only used for light aircraft interspersed with the heavier aircraft on 23.

A Cessna 150 coming in was a nightmare for utilisation, the separation and difference in airspeed meant that 2 or possibly 3 landing slots were lost to accomodate one C150. Mine (PA39) wasn't so bad, I was pretty much the same speeds as the Shorts 360's until very late final, when I had to pull the speed back, but 120 all the way down the slope was fine for me, so ATC didn't mind as much.

Fun days, Dublin was a very different environment back in those times.

smurfjed · 21-12-2020 5:32am

Irish Steve wrote: »

The construction period made for interesting operations on 05, as during the construction, it meant the removal of all the approach lights on 05, with the result that I well remember one foul morning arriving in from the UK, having to hold some 40 miles out in my own private orbit at 6000 Ft for close on an hour as a heavy snow shower went through and closed everything, and then when things improved enough to be able to approach, having to fly an ILS on to 16 with a wind of 050 10G20, which made for an interesting crabbed approach, it was the one and only time I can remember looking out of the right hand seat window to see the runway, due to the offset required to maintain the localiser. The L1011, (yeah that long ago) on the holding point was a useful wind break at just the right moment, I couldn't use 05 as there were no lights at all at that end of the runway, and the cloudbase was too low for 34 to be usable, as there were no precision approaches for that runway either, and construction works for the new runway were also affecting operations on 34. It was an interesting period.

Thread drift, you couldn’t have had much fuel remaining, so why didn’t you divert to Belfast or Liverpool rather than holding?

Irish Steve · 21-12-2020 12:49pm

smurfjed wrote: »

Thread drift, you couldn’t have had much fuel remaining, so why didn’t you divert to Belfast or Liverpool rather than holding?

Light aircraft, always left Dublin on the Friday with full tanks, ( range full would have got me to Rome in economy cruise) it saved the condensation issues when parked, and by the time I got back to Dublin on the following Monday, if I'd not been local flying at the weekend, (duty free fuel, so cheaper) I still had way over 3 hours fuel left, so it wasn't an issue, as long as the evil Janitrol heater wasn't on strike! Full tanks wasn't an option if I had more than 1 passenger with bags on board though, but most of the time, I was on my own, so it wasn't an issue.

If circumstances were different, I'd buy it again tomorrow, fun aircraft to fly, and had the speed to do distances without stress.

smurfjed · 21-12-2020 2:10pm

as long as the evil Janitrol heater wasn't on strike!

only ever saw one of those in a DC3

:)

Irish Steve · 21-12-2020 7:08pm

smurfjed wrote: »

only ever saw one of those in a DC3 :)

A number of the Piper twins had them, and they were not a nice device, but there was no alternative if you didn't want to freeze in the winter months, even below 10,000 Ft it could get baltic very quickly with no heat, as there was no engine heat ducts to get heat into the cabin.

Growler!!! · 21-12-2020 7:19pm

Irish Steve wrote: »

A number of the Piper twins had them, and they were not a nice device, but there was no alternative if you didn't want to freeze in the winter months, even below 10,000 Ft it could get baltic very quickly with no heat, as there was no engine heat ducts to get heat into the cabin.

The survey Aztecs had these fitted. Found them great, but had to make sure to switch them off before landing. Otherwise they’d trip out and you’d only find out the next flight. I started checking the thermal relay in the forward baggage compartment before every flight after being caught out in the past!

eastmayo · 26-12-2020 3:37pm

Update 26/12/20

Silent Running · 26-12-2020 3:45pm

eastmayo wrote: »

Update 27/12/20

That's what it's going to look like tomorrow?

:D

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