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Knock/Eirtrade thread

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Inbound to knock on Friday between 1300-1400 for scrapping F-HPJB

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joujoujou

I've no knowledge in that matter at all, so correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it's not the best idea to keep engines outdoors just wrapped in plastic, hence they do their best to remove them asap. Apart from aforementioned ownership thingy, of course.

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joujoujou wrote: »

I've no knowledge in that matter at all, so correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it's not the best idea to keep engines outdoors just wrapped in plastic, hence they do their best to remove them asap. Apart from aforementioned ownership thingy, of course.

Eh why ? Clouds, hail, humidity, fog, rain, snow, ice, flooded runways. They are extremely durable engines, sitting on a wing in a nacelle with engine covers isn’t going to harm them.

joujoujou

Why? I believe quite similar to any sophisticated stuff. It's perfectly fine while it's working. Not so when lying idle for longer period. Anyway, just my thoughts, so thanks for clarification.

Teebor15

joujoujou wrote: »

I've no knowledge in that matter at all, so correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it's not the best idea to keep engines outdoors just wrapped in plastic, hence they do their best to remove them asap. Apart from aforementioned ownership thingy, of course.

But don't they spend nearly all their life outdoors, what difference does another few months make.

No, the real reason they are taken off first is to prevent some ethic minority sneaking in and removing them first...imagine what one of them engines would do to improve the performance of a sulky!

easygoing39

The engines have been spotted in the past few weeks heading down the N11 on the back off artic's.

artanevilla

If you want to store engines for any period of time they should be preserved in accordance with the maintenance or shop manual. Yes they spend their life outdoors but they are also running everyday, when they are sitting they need to be preserved.

If you are buying an engine that's been taken off wing, one of the first things you look for is evidence of preservation.

artanevilla

Teebor15 wrote: »

But don't they spend nearly all their life outdoors, what difference does another few months make.

No, the real reason they are taken off first is to prevent some ethic minority sneaking in and removing them first...imagine what one of them engines would do to improve the performance of a sulky!

I've seen the inside of hundreds of engines, fresh from a flight, sitting preserved for months, and sitting not preserved for months, there is a huge difference and you can tell straight away if and engine has been poorly preserved, particularly is harsh environments, the build up of salt on the blades is incredible, and that's just the gaspath.

If the fuel system hasn't been purged and filled with preserving fluid and it's sitting for a good period of time, you may strip out the whole system and replace it.

Comhrá

Teebor15 wrote: »

But don't they spend nearly all their life outdoors, what difference does another few months make.

No, the real reason they are taken off first is to prevent some ethic minority sneaking in and removing them first...imagine what one of them engines would do to improve the performance of a sulky!

Amazing! Never knew aero engines contained copper piping.

hopeso

And it all kicks off again............................... https://flyinginireland.com/2020/07/date-for-next-airbus-a380-for-knock/?fbclid=IwAR12tGcdObt-ku7rmgOe2FmiZFqHn8lB4t-aWlOj7EhgA-M7_AvbrRcFSrc

Car99

joujoujou wrote: »

I've no knowledge in that matter at all, so correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it's not the best idea to keep engines outdoors just wrapped in plastic, hence they do their best to remove them asap. Apart from aforementioned ownership thingy, of course.

Engines spend 99.9% of their working lives in all types of extreme environments , being stored outside IAW the manufacturers approved procedures would not be a problem. They remove them asap because they are a valuable asset.

Silent Running

hopeso wrote: »

And it all kicks off again............................... https://flyinginireland.com/2020/07/date-for-next-airbus-a380-for-knock/?fbclid=IwAR12tGcdObt-ku7rmgOe2FmiZFqHn8lB4t-aWlOj7EhgA-M7_AvbrRcFSrc

Just looking at Knock airport on Google Earth. They'll need to get slicing and dicing if they're going to fit another A380 there, especially if they've now got a 737 there as well.

joujoujou

They already do. When I was there, noticed diggers tirelessly working around the place, now I know why. :cool:

eastmayo

Silent Running wrote: »

Just looking at Knock airport on Google Earth. They'll need to get slicing and dicing if they're going to fit another A380 there, especially if they've now got a 737 there as well.

There is also 2 no a320 that arrived today to be scrapped. Alot off work to do before we see the next A380.

Cosmo Kramer

Went up there yesterday for a look. The SAS 737 is great in terms of giving some perspective to the size of the A380.

There were a couple of diggers at work on the ground beside the A380, perhaps this is to enlarge the tarmac area for more arrivals.

Will be plenty of planes getting scrapped in the next couple of years I'd imagine.

[Deleted User]

Cosmo Kramer wrote: »

perhaps this is to enlarge the tarmac area for more arrivals.

[Deleted User]

Next one due August 12th 1300 F-HPJD

Usual health warnings on date and time.

Pat Dunne

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Next one due August 12th 1300 F-HPJD

Usual health warnings on date and time.

I feel a road trip coming on!

leex

Best pic from a visit on Sunday.

whodafunk

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Next one due August 12th 1300 F-HPJD

Usual health warnings on date and time.

Thanks for that info. I’m about 50km from Knock around that time and considering a visit with the kids. How likely is this to take place? Also is there just 1 runway or where is the best place for viewing?

Thanks again

Inquitus

How are they making a profit out of this, with the number of A380's being grounded and indeed scrapped, the market for parts must be flooded?

Lurching

Inquitus wrote: »

How are they making a profit out of this, with the number of A380's being grounded and indeed scrapped, the market for parts must be flooded?

They may not make huge profit initially, but there isn't really much of an alternative. Harvesting the green-time out of the engines will be valuable in the long term.

Hotblack Desiato

The alloy content alone must be worth a fair bit.

Also if AF (or the lessor) parked it up and left it to go derelict somewhere they'd still have to pay parking fees.

The engines are usually leased from the engine manufacturer so the scrappers don't get anything out of that (except presumably a fee for removing them)

scudzilla

Inquitus wrote: »

How are they making a profit out of this, with the number of A380's being grounded and indeed scrapped, the market for parts must be flooded?

At 35euro a keyring, quite easily i'd say

mickdw

scudzilla wrote: »

At 35euro a keyring, quite easily i'd say

That racket wont last and likely the scrap company sold on the section of fuselage to keyring company for normal value, nothing close to the 35 per keyring price.

masit

Is the second A380 still coming tomorrow? Haven’t heard as much about it as the first 1.

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masit wrote: »

Is the second A380 still coming tomorrow? Haven’t heard as much about it as the first 1.

I’m sorry I don’t know. I haven’t heard anything since the last information. If the weather is ok then there is a good chance it will. But as always as this is merely a delivery flight with no passengers waiting the days and times can change radically.

Growler!!!

masit wrote: »

Is the second A380 still coming tomorrow? Haven’t heard as much about it as the first 1.

According to the Knock spotters Facebook group the flight has been cancelled until further notice.

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Growler!!! wrote: »

According to the Knock spotters Facebook group the flight has been cancelled until further notice.

Could you PM me a link to the Facebook group, or put up the link here?

masit

Growler!!! wrote: »

According to the Knock spotters Facebook group the flight has been cancelled until further notice.

Thanks, anyone know the reg so I can put it into flightradar alerts

leex

masit wrote: »

Thanks, anyone know the reg so I can put it into flightradar alerts

Possibly F-HPJD

https://westernpeople.ie/2020/07/14/knock-airport-expecting-another-big-visitor/#.XzKSHChKiUk