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irishmover wrote: »

Are you kidding me? The two Australian women I'm referring to were pissed out of their heads. But the headlines in the (media not papers) were 'two women'. That make a bit more sense to you?


Just to make this very clear.

Similar situation that happened prior to this. Headline on channel 7 news was 'two women'.

This situation, again, similar to the last, 'drunk Irishman' headline on channel 7 news.

I'm not kidding, your point is pretty lame.

If the two Australian women had been up in court for similar circumstances in Ireland they would have been reported in the Irish media as 'Drunk Australians'

like this case "Suspended sentence for Australian who tried to ram Garda car"

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/suspended-sentence-for-australian-who-tried-to-ram-garda-car-1.2094339

same as if a Nigerian sexually attacked someone on a bus Ireland they might be reported as "Nigerian Nitelink sex-attacker"

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/nigerian-nitelink-sexattacker-has-sentence-more-than-doubled-29603202.html

I'm sure if the Attacker was Irish he would either be reported as a 'Man' or maybe a 'Dublin (or insert county) Man' it certainly wouldn't say Irish man.

or

'Polish man charged with murder of his partner Mary Ryan'

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/polish-man-charged-with-murder-of-his-partner-mary-ryan-37-26856162.html


So re-reading your post #150

This news was broadcast as two women. The story about the drunk Irishman is pure and simple racism when compared with the previous story. Why the hell do they need to broadcast it as a drunk Irishman or a remarkably stupid Irishman either.

Would you then say that the Irish media in reporting the Nationality of the Nigerian, Polish and Australian is also racism?

I think you have only two choices
a)Yes
b)No...because most media will often report a nationality if they are not native.

Would you not agree?

irishmover wrote: »

You can be a complete tool (other word didn't filter and was a bit in the bad side) when you want to be mandrake. Seriously.

Maybe so, but at least I am consistent with the truth and fairness and try to restore some balance to some of the bigoted & small minded rants on here.

I think you like many like you are so wrapped up in your in your own insecurities that you are overly sensitive to any negative press about Irish people. I met some real d!ckheads, idiots etc in Ireland, just because they get some sort of joke visa to come to Australia doesn't mean they are suddenly some sort of superior breed.

mandrake04 wrote: »

I'm not kidding, your point is pretty lame.

If the two Australian women had been up in court for similar circumstances in Ireland they would have been reported in the Irish media as 'Drunk Australians'

like this case "Suspended sentence for Australian who tried to ram Garda car"

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/suspended-sentence-for-australian-who-tried-to-ram-garda-car-1.2094339

same as if a Nigerian sexually attacked someone on a bus Ireland they might be reported as "Nigerian Nitelink sex-attacker"

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/nigerian-nitelink-sexattacker-has-sentence-more-than-doubled-29603202.html

I'm sure if the Attacker was Irish he would either be reported as a 'Man' or maybe a 'Dublin (or insert county) Man' it certainly wouldn't say Irish man.

or

'Polish man charged with murder of his partner Mary Ryan'

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/polish-man-charged-with-murder-of-his-partner-mary-ryan-37-26856162.html


So re-reading your post #150



Would you then say that the Irish media in reporting the Nationality of the Nigerian, Polish and Australian is also racism?

I think you have only two choices
a)Yes
b)No...because most media will often report a nationality if they are not native.

Would you not agree?





Maybe so, but at least I am consistent with the truth and fairness and try to restore some balance to some of the bigoted & small minded rants on here.

I think you like many like you are so wrapped up in your in your own insecurities that you are overly sensitive to any negative press about Irish people. I met some real d!ckheads, idiots etc in Ireland, just because they get some sort of joke visa to come to Australia doesn't mean they are suddenly some sort of superior breed.

But I thought Irishmover had a spectacular point :rolleyes:

Imagine if they reported every Austalian as Australian in every story.

2 Australian Girls Drunk..
1 Australian Dead in Car Crash in Queensland...
A Australian Accountant Charged with Fraud in Victoria...

That's nothing, a scrap at the old RSL, a few years ago it kicked off at the Tennis, now that's how you riot. Tickers would be most unimpressed...

aido79 wrote: »

And the point of this post is??

it's a beautiful love story, full or danger, romance, and intrigue.

much like the friday night 2 weeks ago when i got kicked out of my own bed at 4 in the morning because of the mrs's drunk work buddy (an aussie, since we're doing that) who decided she wanted to sleep in the big bed with us, not the couch.

queue 3-some jokes. :pac: no, there wasn't a threesome.. more importantly, there was no vomit to clean up so i count that as a win.

people do dumb **** all the time.. and it's usually the non-natives that get pointed out by our esteemed friends who have nothing better to complain about.

Ellie Slimy Puddle wrote: »

Well we don't see news reports of Germans, Spanish, French, Americans etc making headline news and TV slots for general drunken behaviour to the same extent as we do Irish "backpacker".

Before anyone jumps in and says "comparatively it's not the same" "and the reason is because the media have portrayed us in a negative way" [insert excuse here]...
Why can't posters just fess up and admit that there is a disproportionately high number of number of drunken incidents involving Irish people in Australia???

You don't see them as you don't live in Germany/Spain/France etc

Why don't you trawl the net for good news stories instead of your glass half empty outlook on the Irish in Australia.

Ellie Slimy Puddle wrote: »

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Why can't posters just fess up and admit that there is a disproportionately high number of number of drunken incidents involving Irish people in Australia???

Because there isn't a disproportionately high number, either by Australian, or Irish standards.
There is a disproportionately high level of media coverage of incidents involving Irish people, then hand wringers like yourself start making generalizations and further the stereotypes.
In Aus, as in Ireland, there are bars, pubs and clubs that are hot-spots for alcohol related incidents. Go to any country town in Ireland and you will see the same thing, a couple of muckers or scumbags knocking lumps out of each other on any given Saturday night. The exact same happens here, except the media make a big hoo-haa out of it. You won't see them out in Alice Springs, Cherbourg or Kalgoorlie filming Aussies doing the same for their own.
For instance in 2009, there were 1124 incidents of alcohol related crime ( just over 3 per day) in Kalgoorlie alone.
How many Irish Backpackers do you think were out on the rip in Kalgoorlie at the time ?

With a total of 12274 alcohol related crimes in NSW alonehttp://www.bocsar.nsw.gov.au/Documents/RCS-Quarterly/Alcohol%20Assault%20Data.xls between March 2014 and March 2015, do you really think that the 10-20 stories you have seen in the broader media represent a disproportionate number ?

The number of Irish people spending time in prison in Australia is increasing, with high alcohol intake often a feature of offences committed by emigrants, the Irish Council for Prisoners Overseas (ICPO) has warned.

So far this year, 21 Irish citizens have sought assistance from ICPO after being detained in Australia, up from just four last year.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/number-of-irish-people-in-australian-prisons-increasing-1.1928455

Then in Backpacker havens like Byron....http://www.echo.net.au/2014/04/byron-tops-region-bashings-report/
Again, no specific reference to Irish People, or Backpackers specifically, the reference is to young people.

Where you have young people (18-24) and alcohol, there is a significantly higher occurrence of violence and assault.
The vast majority of Irish people coming to Australia are in that age bracket and in that risk group, and are leading a lifestyle that puts them at direct risk of either being a perpetrator or victim of alcohol related crime, so to be honest, looking at the occurrence level of assistance from IPCO, I would be of the opinion that young Irish people are conducting themselves better than the locals in a lot of instances. Again with the qualification that there are a few venues where the same bunch of scobies that get pissed up and start rows back home are just doing the same thing here.

You can be as melodramatic as you like Ellie Slimy Puddle, but until you get off Tracy Grimshaw's bandwagon and read the facts for yourself, you'll never be convinced.

Ellie Slimy Puddle wrote: »

Well we don't see news reports of Germans, Spanish, French, Americans etc making headline news and TV slots for general drunken behaviour to the same extent as we do Irish "backpacker".

Before anyone jumps in and says "comparatively it's not the same" "and the reason is because the media have portrayed us in a negative way" [insert excuse here]...
Why can't posters just fess up and admit that there is a disproportionately high number of number of drunken incidents involving Irish people in Australia???

No it's just YOU don't see the news reports

http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/french-tourists-who-burnt-quokka-released-from-prison-20150423-1mruqn.html

Ellie Slimy Puddle wrote: »

C how did you come to the conclusion that I was refusing to participate???

Your complete failure to post any meaningful information

Your persistent bumping of the thread every 6 months when a news story breaks involving someone Irish in Australia doing the wrong thing

Comments like this, without any information to refute the point:

So you've taken a few crime stats from different parts of Australia and tried to fudge these some way into excusing bad behaviour by Irish people in Australia because they fit into a certain age bracket???

Ridiculing someone with first hand experience of Australian society, again without offering anything to refute the point made by Aido.

Not another "I've lived in Australia and therefore know everything there is to know about the country" poster. Just what we needed.

The fact that you go as quiet as a church mouse for 6 months, because the reality of the situation is that you are wrong.

Ellie Slimy Puddle wrote: »

and the attacks just keep on coming. Typical online behaviour where anyone who has an opinion outside of the received message is accused of sterotyping, trolling and in this case just plain name calling to try and silence an opinion that is not the received message.

What exactly are people getting so upset about, everything I've highlighted I've backed up and in terms of dragging old threads, this is an ongoing issue that if I was to start a new thread for each incident then posters would argue that these are isolated incidents.

It's incredulous that posters are getting so defensive about these incidents being highlighted that they suggest the Australian media has a bias towards Irish people when it's widely accepted in Ireland that culturally we have detrimental relationship with alcohol. Why is it so hard to accept that when we travel abroad that somehow the way we engage with alcohol is going to change and is it no wonder that these incidents that we just pass off as a bit of craic are not considered acceptable in other countries and that is the reason why we see them being reported in the newspaper and not the bias of the Australian media?

You have yet to make a valid point or provide any credible information to support your argument, sweeping generalizations about what is

considered acceptable in other countries

don't really cut it.
I provided a wealth of information about what Australian society does and how they conduct themselves when alcohol is in the picture,yet you persistently sidestep these facts, preferring instead to bleat about how unbiased the Australian media is. (despite the fact that pretty well every newspaper in Aus that you have provided links to is either privately owned (Murdoch, packer, Fairfax etc.) or is focused directly on its target audience of Irish people (Irish Echo).

Why do you consider them more credible than the Australian governments crime statistics and alcohol abuse statistics?

Why will you not look at the numbers and draw your own conclusions ?

As soon as you are prepared to inform yourself of the realities, I'll engage in this discussion with you. Until then, you keep clipping your headlines and putting them in your "Bad Backpacker" scrapbook.

I'll continue to use the bridge. I'm over it, this is a non-issue that you are stuck on for some reason. Hopefully sometime in the future you'll either make it this far and see for yourself, or find some other sensationalist 7pm newsgrab on a slow day to bleat about.

Best of luck with the MHI.

Ellie Slimy Puddle wrote: »

No mention of alcohol in that report. Next!

At least Irish backpackers only cause trouble when they are drunk.

I'm not sure why you are so interested in Australia Ellie Slimy Puddle, you do know people here wear thongs all year round?

You'd hate it

Ellie Slimy Puddle wrote: »

Not another "I've lived in Australia and therefore know everything there is to know about the country" poster. Just what we needed.

I don't know everything there is to know but I have lived here for long enough to know a hell of a lot more about what goes on over here than someone who occasionally sees a newspaper article about something an Irish person has done in Australia. There are plenty of positive articles about the Irish in Australia if you care to have a look... but I don't think you will as you seem to have made your mind up about the whole thing.
We most certainly don't need a poster who bases his "knowledge" of what happens in Australia on media reports. If everyone done that then the worldwide tourism industry would collapse.

What about the people who have come over here and made a success of themselves?

There's always going to be a few dickheads who behave like eejits but after living here for 5 years, I am very proud to be Irish and am proud of the majority of the Irish community and their contribution to Aussie society

Why is it happening so often in Australia? Seems that much of the dregs of Irish society has emigrated there over the last ten years (a hell of a lot of normal, decent people have emigrated too of course!)

I rarely hear of any trouble involving Irish nationals in Canada.

Last time I was in Australia I witnessed a huge brawl outside a bar in Bondi Junction between a bunch of drunken muck warriors wearing Cork and Mayo jerseys.

That was quite a few years ago and it sounds like it's got a lot worse since.

el diablo wrote: »

Last time I was in Australia I witnessed a huge brawl outside a bar in Bondi Junction between a bunch of drunken muck warriors wearing Cork and Mayo jerseys.

That was quite a few years ago and it sounds like it's got a lot worse since.

It hasn't gotten worse. St Kilda and Bondi Junction are both infested with backpackers, always have been. There are also a few bars in both that particularly draw in rowdy county colors crowds.

Perth has gotten a big draw of the same in the last few years, but these individuals are a small noisy minority. As previously mentioned my many, many people who are here grafting away, news outlets are not interested in stories about Irish people who work hard, mind their own business and behave like civilized human beings. The vast majority of us fall into that boring category, and anything suggesting it is otherwise is just sensationalist clap-trap by journos trying to fill column inches while avoiding real issues.