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Storm Lorenzo: October 3/4 2019 **Technical Discussion Only**

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 12,078 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    Looks strong on this run. Will see Meteologix shortly

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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,693 ✭✭✭SleetAndSnow


    Too me, the ECM goes up the west, back down the country, over the UK and into europe. I think it looks like the entire country could get some strong winds bar the south coast maybe, but that depends on how much the wind weakens are it passes over land and I could be totally wrong.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 4,467 Mod ✭✭✭✭mickger844posts


    Ecm agrees with others bringing it to our West coast at 72hrs. We now have solid agreement on this. The next question is does it then move back over the country. Highest risk area at the moment is the North and Northwest

    Looking at the Jet Stream forecasts it is quite possible it could move back in over the country. This is what the GFS is picking up on and reflecting this in its output.
    ECM is probably doing the same but with 24 hours between frames its not as obvious as on the GFS.
    Still remains to be seen how strong the storm will be when its arrives and possibly tracks over the country.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,780 ✭✭✭✭ninebeanrows


    EC brings it over country— similar to its 6z ru —- would be low Orange level wind event for lots of country, high orange northwest.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,354 ✭✭✭naughto


    EC brings it over country— similar to its 6z ru —- would be low Orange level wind event for lots of country, high orange northwest.

    Go red and I’ll be your friend for life


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,586 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    Not a tech chart or anything, just a screengrab of windymcwindyface from v-sky:

    In average Joe terms, it shows that at Thur 10am 100mph gusts about x3 Gal-Dubs away, if that should shift position about 500km in to the East, maybe bring in the washing from the line incase it goes a flying.
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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,182 ✭✭✭pauldry


    If it follows the jet it will be very serious but still time for it to leave us fairly unscathed.

    Northwest can cope with winds up to 70 knots but the rest of the country doesnt have the lack of infrastructure for this bar Connemara n Kerry

    Very interesting one alright.

    The whole world might be on boards on Thursday

    Hope ye have the back up server ready


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,231 ✭✭✭TheRiverman


    It will not be a hurricane if it hits or comes close to us.Am I right in thinking that Ophelia still had Hurricane status when it hit us two years ago.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,565 ✭✭✭Pangea


    Do we think that a red alert will be issued if it hits us directly?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,651 ✭✭✭US2


    It will not be a hurricane if it hits or comes close to us.Am I right in thinking that Ophelia still had Hurricane status when it hit us two years ago.

    No, it didn't. Extropical storm.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    It will not be a hurricane if it hits or comes close to us.Am I right in thinking that Ophelia still had Hurricane status when it hit us two years ago.

    No, it was extratropical.

    The ADT estimate is back up to 70 knots now. Still 10-15 knots lower than forecast. Wonder will this be reflected in the NHC update. The site is still showing 105 mph (90 knots).


  • Registered Users Posts: 335 ✭✭donal.hunt


    Pangea wrote: »
    Do we think that a red alert will be issued if it hits us directly?

    No. Current forecasts indicate the storm will have weakened significantly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,235 ✭✭✭sdanseo


    12Z ECM brings the centre east, from Sligo roughly to Dublin.

    Widespread >130km/h gusts.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,221 ✭✭✭pad199207


    That track could be a real rain maker.

    Looks like Lorenzo could do a Dorian with that sharp turn.


  • Registered Users Posts: 205 ✭✭CirrusBusiness


    Pangea wrote: »
    Do we think that a red alert will be issued if it hits us directly?
    If Lorenzo's wind speed reached Red Level criteria, then yes, a red warning would be issued for the affected region. Also, timing of an arrival would play a substantial part in that planning I'm sure.

    This is far from "GAME OVER" just yet.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,235 ✭✭✭sdanseo


    pad199207 wrote: »
    That track could be a real rain maker.

    Looks like Lorenzo could do a Dorian with that sharp turn.

    There would be 24hrs of continuous light to moderate horizontal rain with this ECM evolution.

    24hrs to 7am Friday accumulated

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,277 ✭✭✭kenmc


    A red warning on Thursday would be perfect. Match kicks off at 11.15, most folk wouldn't even have to pull a sickie!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,254 ✭✭✭✭km79


    Oh yay
    Rain


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,780 ✭✭✭✭ninebeanrows


    sdanseo wrote: »
    12Z ECM brings the centre east, from Sligo roughly to Dublin.

    Widespread >130km/h gusts.

    Thanks for post but there are widespread 100kph gusts not 130kph just for clarity


  • Registered Users Posts: 672 ✭✭✭TTLF
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    sdanseo wrote: »
    12Z ECM brings the centre east, from Sligo roughly to Dublin.

    Widespread >130km/h gusts.

    Any charts passed 4am or is that all we have for now?


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 12,078 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    ECM 12Z showing by then ex tropical storm Lorenzo at 964 hPa to the SW and deepens off the W coast to 955 hPa.

    On this run it would have the strong winds developing towards early evening on Western coasts and continuing across the country overnight into Fri morning , clearing the SE / E coasts early Fri.

    Stormy along the Atlantic coasts, very windy overland if not stormy . Heavy rain in W and N midlands on the present chart.

    To note looks like could be rough weather to follow during the weekend.

    Just the current run. Bit to go yet but a lot of the models seem to be showing Ireland having some impact from this.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,235 ✭✭✭sdanseo


    Thanks for post but there are widespread 100kph gusts not 130kph just for clarity

    Please dont quote pictures :(

    Zoomed in. Maybe these are all hilltops / more exposed?

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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,163 Mod ✭✭✭✭DOCARCH


    sdanseo wrote: »
    Please dont quote pictures :(

    Mod Note: +1

    When quoting, please delete links to images to avoid cluttering the thread.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 12,078 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,780 ✭✭✭✭ninebeanrows


    sdanseo wrote: »
    Please dont quote pictures :(

    Zoomed in. Maybe these are all hilltops / more exposed?

    Is widespread now 5km inland of exposed Atlantic coast?

    Apologies i just read your post and thought 130kph gusts widespread over Ireland but in reality it was 90-100kph with 130kph confined to near western coasts


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 12,078 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    UKMO remarkably similar track and strength at this stage.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    There's been a fair change in structure this afternoon, with the deep convection now switching from the eastern side to the west.

    1823Z

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    1551Z

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    Alternative view of NHC forecast. The 34-knot (gale force) winds just touching the west coast at 12Z on Thursday as max intensity is 60 knots. 12Z Friday intensity 50 knots.

    Good to see that in the nearer term the track is slightly more west of the Azores, so reducing the overall effects there.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,684 ✭✭✭Darwin


    Interesting, wonder why the NHC don't see it being swept up in the Jetstream and shunted east.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 12,078 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    Big change in the models today ( Met Eireann quickly dropped the line where it said nothing exceptional expected ).

    GFS 12Z , GEM 12Z looking almost identical bringing the remnants crossing Ireland as it fills ( currently looks like windy to strong winds ).

    ARPEGE strong winds over much of Ireland ( stormy in parts ) . ICON windy along the coasts, staying off shore for the most part.

    UKMO strong winds over Ireland and ECM just out looks very windy if not stormy in parts .

    Currently the models look windy up to stormy in parts of the coasts, some showing very windy across the country up to stormy in parts.

    In terms of predicting strengths , track etc a bit to go yet and expect changes but certainly the models look a lot more aligned this evening.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    Just to show how bonkers it is, look at how different the track is between the Canadian ensemble mean (CEMN, sharp westerly turn towards Iceland) and the Control run (CC00), east over Ireland and into the North Sea. similar to the GFS mean (AEMN). The NHC official track (OFCL) slap right bang down the middle.

    EDIT: The updated chart shows the GFS Op run (AVNO) heading off on the Orient Express...

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    Today's SHIPS runs are trending towards slightly lower intensity in the shorter term but marginally higher in the longer term as its track has been shifting west each time.

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 12,078 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    Hurricane LORENZO
    As of 18:00 UTC Sep 30, 2019:

    Location: 30.3°N 42.6°W
    Maximum Winds: 90 kt Gusts: nan kt
    Minimum Central Pressure: 957 mb
    Environmental Pressure: 1010 mb
    Radius of Circulation: 300 NM
    Radius of Maximum Wind: 25 NM

    64 kt Wind Radii by Quadrant:

    EUMETSAT

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,182 ✭✭✭pauldry


    I see now the reason Met Eireann are concerned.

    At first storm runs up the West but then goes over the North with fierce winds

    Tomorrow evening might be a different set of charts with just track up along West as was original idea . ( 60 per cent of time approx original idea wins, but id also say the threat of severe winds for the North and West is 60 per cent as of tonight. 2 days ago I would hv said 10 percent. )


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    Is widespread now 5km inland of exposed Atlantic coast?

    Apologies i just read your post and thought 130kph gusts widespread over Ireland but in reality it was 90-100kph with

    130kph confined to near western coasts


    Ouch...west mayo offshore island....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    pauldry wrote: »
    I see now the reason Met Eireann are concerned.

    At first storm runs up the West but then goes over the North with fierce winds

    Tomorrow evening might be a different set of charts with just track up along West as was original idea . ( 60 per cent of time approx original idea wins, but id also say the threat of severe winds for the North and West is 60 per cent as of tonight. 2 days ago I would hv said 10 percent. )

    That makes perfect sense. Thank you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    Comparison between the 12Z and 00Z ECM ensembles. Broadly similar, except for the change in the Mean and HRES tracks.

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    Is widespread now 5km inland of exposed Atlantic coast?

    Apologies i just read your post and thought 130kph gusts widespread over Ireland but in reality it was 90-100kph with 130kph confined to near western coasts

    What is he getting all excited about? Sure it's only the Wesht!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,840 ✭✭✭crushproof


    Certainly all the ships at sea are giving it a wide berth!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,336 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    How's it compare to the likes of Christine, Ophelia etc for waves. Looks like 18ft's rolling into the west at high tide Thursday night.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,693 ✭✭✭SleetAndSnow


    Cone is coming back towards Ireland in advisory 34

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,985 ✭✭✭JanuarySnowstor


    I made a statement earlier today that gfs had won this model battle and that it was game over. I was wrong a solution of half way house looks like being most possible and indeed a direct hit of sorts is favourite. The gfs never saw the undercut whereas the euros did. All eyes down for Icon and gfs 18z coming out soon. I think we can all safely say that nobody knows yet whether this will be a storm or not. Right now the sweet spot looks like the Sligo coast


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,808 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Met Eireann saying they won't focus on this until Wednesday when the likely pattern emerges.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,268 ✭✭✭✭uck51js9zml2yt


    Graces7 wrote: »
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    Ouch...west mayo offshore island....


    12 KM as the crows flies to the western seaboard and sittting on a mountain just to add to the potential fun.


    I'm very happy for this to veer off to the west somewhere in the Atlantic:eek:


  • Registered Users Posts: 145 ✭✭Paddy223


    Should we be prepared for a red alert? Sorry for sounding thick


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,693 ✭✭✭SleetAndSnow


    Paddy223 wrote: »
    Should we be prepared for a red alert? Sorry for sounding thick

    I'd say no. Max will be mid to high orange on western/northwestern counties.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,926 ✭✭✭Reati


    Paddy223 wrote: »
    Should we be prepared for a red alert? Sorry for sounding thick

    No. No day off.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    10 pm Discussion
    500 PM AST Mon Sep 30 2019

    The wind field of Lorenzo continues to expand, with a trio of
    scatterometer overpasses showing that tropical-storm-force winds now
    extend up to 270 n mi from the center, while hurricane-force winds
    can be found up to 90 n mi from the center. A cloud-covered eye has
    been apparent throughout the day and cloud-top temperatures
    surrounding the eye have remained fairly consistent. The most recent
    Dvorak CI values from TAFB and SAB suggest Lorenzo is maintaining
    its strength at 90 kt, which will remain the initial intensity for
    this advisory. A drifting NOAA buoy near the eyewall of Lorenzo
    recently reported a pressure of 964.8 mb, supporting the minimum
    central pressure of 957 mb.

    Lorenzo continues moving north-northeastward at 13 kt, around the
    northwestern periphery of a subtropical ridge to its southeast. Over
    the next couple of days Lorenzo will be accelerated northeastward by
    increasing southwesterly flow ahead of a mid-latitude trough
    amplifying across the central Atlantic. This motion should take the
    core of Lorenzo near the western Azores late Tuesday and early
    Wednesday. The forecast track confidence remains high through 72
    hours. After that time, global models have come into a little better
    agreement on the future track of Lorenzo, with a turn to the right
    toward Ireland or the U.K. as a weakening extratropical low. The
    official forecast track is just a little to the right of the
    previous one and lies near the consensus aids.

    The environment surrounding Lorenzo is not expected to change much
    through tonight, and therefore the intensity should remain fairly
    steady. On Tuesday, the hurricane should begin gradually weakening
    as drier air entrains into the circulation and the system moves over
    progressively cooler waters. By 48 hours, the interaction with the
    approaching trough, an associated cold front, and very strong
    southwesterly shear will help transition Lorenzo into an
    extratropical low. This transition is expected to be complete by 72
    hours. The low is then expected to weaken and dissipate shortly
    after 96 hours. The official forecast was increased through
    the first 48 hours to reflect a more steady intensity in the near
    term, and then is blended close to the previous forecast after that
    time.

    Key Messages:

    1. Lorenzo is expected to bring hurricane and tropical storm force
    winds to the Azores beginning Tuesday night, and these conditions
    will continue into Wednesday. Hurricane and Tropical Storm Warnings
    are now in effect for the Azores.

    2. Large swells generated by Lorenzo will continue to spread across
    much of the north Atlantic basin during the next few days. These
    swells will produce life-threatening surf and rip currents.


    FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

    INIT 30/2100Z 30.9N 42.1W 90 KT 105 MPH
    12H 01/0600Z 32.8N 40.5W 90 KT 105 MPH
    24H 01/1800Z 36.1N 36.7W 85 KT 100 MPH
    36H 02/0600Z 40.3N 31.4W 80 KT 90 MPH
    48H 02/1800Z 45.9N 25.0W 75 KT 85 MPH
    72H 03/1800Z 55.2N 14.8W 60 KT 70 MPH...POST-TROP/EXTRATROP
    96H 04/1800Z 56.3N 10.0W 45 KT 50 MPH...POST-TROP/EXTRATROP
    120H 05/1800Z...DISSIPATED


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,985 ✭✭✭JanuarySnowstor


    The 18z icon is keeping out West with little affect on Ireland and no undercut. Gfs up next


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,354 ✭✭✭nocoverart


    If this gets bad, could it potentially ground flights Friday Morning? Thx.


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