Sky fight night: Warrington title defence.

Big Ears · 14-02-2021 1:31am

walshb wrote: »

Conlan should target a weakened Warrington now...

Get a recognized name on his card..

If they're half sensible they'll keep Warrington out for a while after that.
His brain got badly rattled in that fight and it'll take some time to heal.

Of course if Conlan has the opportunity he should jump at it. Or Frampton should look for the rematch snould pull off the win Vs Herring.

I've just seen Frampton is favourite for that fight, I'm quite surprised by that !

Morrison J · 14-02-2021 1:33am

Absolutely stunned by that outcome tbh. Type of fight that can take years off a career. Warrington was getting hurt in literally every round.

walshb · 14-02-2021 1:34am

Big Ears wrote: »

If they're half sensible they'll keep Warrington out for a while after that.
His brain got badly rattled in that fight and it'll take some time to heal.

Of course if Conlan has the opportunity he should jump at it. Or Frampton should look for the rematch snould pull off the win Vs Herring.

I've just seen Frampton is favourite for that fight, I'm quite surprised by that !

Yes..

Who knows what damage that fight has done Warrington..

No surprise if we don’t see him box again..

I too was surprised that Frampton favorite v Herring. I mentioned same on upcoming fights thread

Morrison J · 14-02-2021 1:44am

Frampton fight odds have flipped since it became apparent it was taking place in the UK. Herring was fav when it was initially announced talks were for it to happen in NYC. Probably a fair reflection given how difficult it is to get a decision in the UK as an away fighter these days.

carltonleon · 14-02-2021 1:45am

Morrison J wrote: »

Absolutely stunned by that outcome tbh. Type of fight that can take years off a career. Warrington was getting hurt in literally every round.

It sure could. After about a minute of the fight I thought Lara was too slow and he looked a bit windmilly to me, but then he caught Warrington and you could see he hurt him, that certainly piqued my interest but I still expected Warrington to win comfortably. But the power Lara possessed should have kept Warrington more on alert but he still seemed to go with his normal gameplay of pressure pressure and he got soundly caught in the 4th and the fight should have been stopped

Cyrus · 14-02-2021 9:39am

He’s a nice kid Warrington I hope he is alright and I hope he is sensible about things from here on out , he has achieved a lot more than anyone expected but I wouldn’t like to see him get beaten like that again .

osarusan · 14-02-2021 11:07am

Should have been stopped in the 4th.

Commentator saying the 'ref gave him every chance' but the ref did him no long-term favours. His own corner either.

generalgerry · 14-02-2021 12:07pm

Any word on Warrington. He didn't look good coming out of the ring.

walshb · 14-02-2021 12:21pm

generalgerry wrote: »

Any word on Warrington. He didn't look good coming out of the ring.

Cleared as ok by doctors last night, but did go to the hospital just to be sure..

squinn2912 · 14-02-2021 12:28pm

I’m watching the fight back now and it beggars belief that that man was allowed to fight on. I wouldn’t be surprised if he’d been unwell or something he was totally zonked from the off. A guy like that with nothing but sheer will - no power especially - ages quickly and when his timing is that bit off he will be found out and emptied again. Picking a Mexican kid with a record like that and about whom they knew nothing was asking for trouble, he could have picked a British level fighter for a tune up. On Frampton I think he’s done too, this could be the last day out.

squinn2912 · 14-02-2021 12:47pm

To give Warrington his dues he was an absolute gentleman in defeat, really classy. Lara not even celebrating was fantastic form at only 22 - no crowd a good bit to do with that. Some big fights down the road for that lad. It feels a bit to me like Steve Collins coming to the scene and cleaning out Eubank and Benn when they didn’t think that much of him with defeats on his record (don’t think he had a big amount of KOs at that time though).

walshb · 14-02-2021 12:47pm

I rewatched

Great effort and sportsmanship from both men

Warrington put in a hell of a graft..

His power was not as damaging as Lara’s

Regarding the stoppage..Foster possibly could have called it in round 4, but had he, you can bet folks be slating him for premature stoppage.

Many many examples fighters allowed continue whilst in worse condition. I did notice a lot of Lara’s follow ups were not landing

Maybe Josh’s corner could have pulled him out before round 5? But, again, it’s not ever an exact science

Incredible Josh then survived 4 more rounds, as well as fighting so hard in them..

walshb · 14-02-2021 1:14pm

Anyone catch the Jo Diaz SFW title fight?

Diaz lost title on the scales..

Result was majority draw...

Worth a watch?

Available on DAZN

squinn2912 · 14-02-2021 3:44pm

walshb wrote: »

I rewatched

Great effort and sportsmanship from both men

Warrington put in a hell of a graft..

His power was not as damaging as Lara’s

Regarding the stoppage..Foster possibly could have called it in round 4, but had he, you can bet folks be slating him for premature stoppage.

Many many examples fighters allowed continue whilst in worse condition. I did notice a lot of Lara’s follow ups were not landing

Maybe Josh’s corner could have pulled him out before round 5? But, again, it’s not ever an exact science

Incredible Josh then survived 4 more rounds, as well as fighting so hard in them..

Maybe so. I will acknowledge that Josh didn’t look again in real trouble until the stoppage did come. He looked vulnerable but not defenceless. Like one more assault would do him but it didn’t come with repeated connections until the 9th. He took some huge single shots in the ensuing rounds and while the fight would have been much better for Warrington to be stopped earlier I suppose there is some argument in the then and there for allowing him to continue. He did dish out some big hits himself afterwards. Dreadful fight for him.

walshb · 14-02-2021 3:53pm

Offensively in terms of punches and delivery and accuracy I thought Josh was very impressive..

Far too much made of him not being in tune..

Josh put in a great offensive effort

Simple: Lara was hurting him with damaging punches...

Josh wasn’t really hurting Lara..

And that’s boxing at times...

generalgerry · 14-02-2021 8:44pm

Sky have put the fight up on YouTube. Adam Smith is the commentator, I was watching DAZN coverage so I had a different commentator.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiZq3F4IaXs

Sandor Clegane · 14-02-2021 10:55pm

walshb wrote: »

Offensively in terms of punches and delivery and accuracy I thought Josh was very impressive..

Far too much made of him not being in tune..

Josh put in a great offensive effort

Simple: Lara was hurting him with damaging punches...

Josh wasn’t really hurting Lara..

And that’s boxing at times...

I agree with this.

The way the commentary was going on you'd swear Warrington was a corpse out there...he was putting some good shots together, good speed and accuracy...but it was clear the moment Lara landed that he was hurting him, you could see Josh was feeling those shots, he was brave and tried to fire back but he was just having no impact, it really should of been stopped in the 4th he was out on his feet...totally gone.

walshb · 14-02-2021 11:23pm

Sandor Clegane wrote: »

I agree with this.

The way the commentary was going on you'd swear Warrington was a corpse out there...he was putting some good shots together, good speed and accuracy...but it was clear the moment Lara landed that he was hurting him, you could see Josh was feeling those shots, he was brave and tried to fire back but he was just having no impact, it really should of been stopped in the 4th he was out on his feet...totally gone.

Yes. Macklin and Smith constantly focusing on how poor and ineffective Josh was

Utter nonsense. Lara was landing and hurting..

Josh was very clean, fast, hard and accurate. His shots were very good..

They just were not having the desired effect on Lara. Lara was responding with heavier shots that were damaging Josh..

squinn2912 · 15-02-2021 12:42am

walshb wrote: »

Yes. Macklin and Smith constantly focusing on how poor and ineffective Josh was

Utter nonsense. Lara was landing and hurting..

Josh was very clean, fast, hard and accurate. His shots were very good..

They just were not having the desired effect on Lara. Lara was responding with heavier shots that were damaging Josh..

Hmm I’m not in total agreement here lads. JW did have some clean enough work but there was nothing like his usual volume or aggression. I think it’s accurate to say he had an off night. He wasn’t woeful but below par.

Lara’s eye was in terrible shape as well so he had some success.

walshb · 15-02-2021 10:12am

squinn2912 wrote: »

Hmm I’m not in total agreement here lads. JW did have some clean enough work but there was nothing like his usual volume or aggression. I think it’s accurate to say he had an off night. He wasn’t woeful but below par.

Lara’s eye was in terrible shape as well so he had some success.

He may not have been at his best, but the Sky Team, as usual, were OTT

And, he was getting proper hurt when Lara was tagging him...this can have an effect on your own plan, your own workrate etc.....

It's all well and good being like a demon when you are not getting tagged hard and rocked and hurt.......Josh was a little more hesitant and reluctant because of this.

squinn2912 · 15-02-2021 10:39am

walshb wrote: »

He may not have been at his best, but the Sky Team, as usual, were OTT

And, he was getting proper hurt when Lara was tagging him...this can have an effect on your own plan, your own workrate etc.....

It's all well and good being like a demon when you ate not getting tagged hard and rocked and hurt.......Josh was a little more hesitant and reluctant because of this.

Very much OTT. I couldn’t believe that Mathew Mackin wasn’t even scoring the fight. Surely he’s expected to do that every fight. Why else do it for the kiko fight.

Ok to say that I guess but from the first round he was giving up the centre of the ring and trying to fight off the back foot. Not his game. Shows how one dimensional he is.

His best work was probably after the 4th. But at the end of every round he was very nice. I thought a bit more spite would have helped

Big Ears · 15-02-2021 1:38pm

generalgerry wrote: »

Sky have put the fight up on YouTube. Adam Smith is the commentator, I was watching DAZN coverage so I had a different commentator.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiZq3F4IaXs

Nick Halling was the main commentator on DAZN, Paul Smith on co-commentary, and Chris Lloyd chipping in now and then.
Lloyd is the guy who does the TKO boxing podcast with Frampton, and does make decent observations now and then.

The only time I thought Warrington made any dent in Lara, was when Lara was recklessly boring in trying to finish him in the 5th, Lara backed off and calmed down after eating some clean shots in those exchanges, even though Warrington's legs were still gone.

I thought Warrington looked himself until that 4th round, the only difference from normal was he had no respect for Lara, and likely didn't believe the Mexican had anything to trouble him, so he was being careless and leaving himself open.
After that round he was fighting on instinct for me, and actually did well considering, but never fully recovered.

blade1 · 15-02-2021 5:08pm

squinn2912 wrote: »

Lara’s eye was in terrible shape as well so he had some success.

Thought a headbutt had a lot to do with that.

bugler · 15-02-2021 11:07pm

..just re-watching the fight. Bloody disgrace that wasn't stopped in the fourth. His legs had stopped functioning. All this talk of doing favours and bravery doesn't sit well at all. Plenty of the fighters that have suffered catastrophic injury over the years were brave. How the referee could watch Warrington's movement over that last minute and not wave it off is appalling.

squinn2912 · 15-02-2021 11:19pm

bugler wrote: »

..just re-watching the fight. Bloody disgrace that wasn't stopped in the fourth. His legs had stopped functioning. All this talk of doing favours and bravery doesn't sit well at all. Plenty of the fighters that have suffered catastrophic injury over the years were brave. How the referee could watch Warrington's movement over that last minute and not wave it off is appalling.

The way he walked back to the corner he was all over the place. Makes it all the more remarkable that he recovered enough to come out and win the 5th. By the time he got KO’d he had nothing left and was a worrying sight.

carltonleon · 15-02-2021 11:38pm

I must admit I feared for him when he was lying on the canvas at the end of the fight as he looked totally motionless and I never like to see doctors scurrying around a ring, al in all it was a big relief to see him sitting up.

walshb · 16-02-2021 1:06pm

squinn2912 wrote: »

The way he walked back to the corner he was all over the place. Makes it all the more remarkable that he recovered enough to come out and win the 5th. By the time he got KO’d he had nothing left and was a worrying sight.

Had Lara been a more ruthless and accurate finisher, I reckon Josh was gone in the first 20 seconds of the 5th

He was a sitting duck......then he got a bit of an energy burst....

carltonleon · 17-02-2021 1:11pm

So according to an interview Warrington did, he suffered a fractured jaw, a shoulder injury and a perforated eardrum !!! How the hell did he make it to the 9th round, savage stuff when you think about it.

walshb · 17-02-2021 2:52pm

carltonleon wrote: »

So according to an interview Warrington did, he suffered a fractured jaw, a shoulder injury and a perforated eardrum !!! How the hell did he make it to the 9th round, savage stuff when you think about it.

Indeed.

But injuries sometimes can be misleading...

One of my easiest fights I suffered a broken jaw from one punch......

Josh actually landed just as much as Lara....just not the same effect-impact.

carltonleon · 17-02-2021 8:08pm

walshb wrote: »

Indeed.

But injuries sometimes can be misleading...

One of my easiest fights I suffered a broken jaw from one punch......

Josh actually landed just as much as Lara....just not the same effect-impact.

Yeah but surely if you have a fractured jaw and someone lands flush on it then the pain is going to be excruciating? I know the adrenaline kicks in but surely it does not last another 15 mins.
As for the perforated eardrum, that would have to adversely effect your balance surely?

walshb · 17-02-2021 8:18pm

carltonleon wrote: »

Yeah but surely if you have a fractured jaw and someone lands flush on it then the pain is going to be excruciating? I know the adrenaline kicks in but surely it does not last another 15 mins.
As for the perforated eardrum, that would have to adversely effect your balance surely?

Many instances of fighters fighting many rounds with injuries, including broken jaws..

I am not dismissing the injuries.. But they need context I suppose

When exactly did they happen, for example..

carltonleon · 17-02-2021 10:39pm

walshb wrote: »

Many instances of fighters fighting many rounds with injuries, including broken jaws...

Yeah that is true now that you say it, I remember Ricky Burns fighting Raymundo Beltrán with a broken jaw for 10 rounds .... mad stuff but Burns was hard as nails and teak tough

Sky fight night: Warrington title defence.

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