Cyclists and lorries on rural roads...

DaveyDave · 12-07-2019 11:58pm

gctest50 wrote: »

They were

I stand corrected, assumed the slow-mo was the end of the video. That's better for the cyclist then, some people are giving out he's in the middle of the road but he's simply beside his mate.

hurikane · 13-07-2019 12:06am

What a dope. Playing chicken with traffic, then he runs into a moron driving a lorry. Fair to say he lost and hopefully he has learned his lesson now.

gctest50 · 13-07-2019 12:09am

Where is the rest of the video of their ride though ?

say 20 minutes before the clip posted in the Indo

Duckjob · 13-07-2019 12:09am

paleoperson wrote: »

Did you not read my earlier post?

It would be dangerous if he went straight into a ****ing obstacle.

Or he could, y'know, lower his vehicle speed so that he can safely react to hazards.

Does that ring a dusty bell somewhere? It's sort of the 101 of being a safe competent driver.

gctest50 · 13-07-2019 12:11am

kenmc wrote: »

And? Cyclists are *always* allowed cycle two abreast, and 3 if overtaking another.

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Maybe it's time to change that - for back roads anyway

It's not like that in other places :

183

(2) A person operating a cycle.......

(d) must not ride abreast of another person operating a cycle on the roadway,

http://www.bclaws.ca/civix/document/id/complete/statreg/96318_05

markpb · 13-07-2019 12:28am

gctest50 wrote: »

Maybe it's time to change that - for back roads anyway

It's not like that in other places :

Two cyclists abreast still take up less road space than one car. What's your reason for wanting overtaking banned?

gctest50 · 13-07-2019 1:35am

This is another good thing that could be adapted n adopted :

Bicycle safety helmets

184 (1) A person commits an offence if that person operates or rides as a passenger on a cycle on a highway and is not properly wearing a bicycle safety helmet that

(a) is designated as an approved bicycle safety helmet under subsection (4) (a), or

(b) meets the standards and specifications prescribed under subsection (4) (b).

(2) A parent or guardian of a person under the age of 16 years commits an offence if the parent or guardian authorizes or knowingly permits the person to operate or ride as a passenger on a cycle on a highway if that person is not properly wearing a bicycle safety helmet that

(a) is designated as an approved bicycle safety helmet under subsection (4) (a), or

(b) meets the standards and specifications prescribed under subsection (4) (b).

(3) A person who is convicted of an offence under subsection (1) or (2) is liable to a fine of not more than $100.

(4) The Lieutenant Governor in Council may make regulations as follows:

(a) designating a helmet as an approved bicycle safety helmet for the purposes of this section;

(b) prescribing standards and specifications for bicycle safety helmets.

(5) Regulations made under subsection (4) (b) may adopt by reference, in whole or in part, standards or specifications published by a national or international standards association, as amended from time to time.

(6) The Lieutenant Governor in Council may make regulations as follows:

(a) providing for and requiring the identification and marking of bicycle safety helmets;

paleoperson · 13-07-2019 2:06am

markpb wrote: »

Two cyclists abreast still take up less road space than one car. What's your reason for wanting overtaking banned?

It's not about their width compared to a car's width you plank, that's not comparable. If you don't understand the very basics of safety and traffic to the point where you would think those things are identical then maybe you shouldn't be driving.

As was previously stated (by me) every user of the road is supposed to keep to their side as much as possible - that's by law. This means riding on the left here as much as possible.

Why don't you all who disagree just read my posts and read them well? I'm not writing them for a laugh, I actually put time and effort into them and have the knowledge to back them up. Anything you say critical of what I'm saying you will be WRONG period and I'm sorry if that comes off as arrogant, at this point it's just the way it is. Just listen to what I say and quit the bs.

gctest50 wrote: »

Maybe it's time to change that - for back roads anyway

In most backroads it'd likely be less dangerous than here. This is the worst possible type of road to ride two abreast in - it's the type of road where it's narrow but cars still drive at speed on it. These roads demand a lot of vigilance and I tend to feel less comfortable on them, I'm sure they're probably the cause of a large amount of road fatalities today. Side-by-side on roads like this is an accident waiting to happen.

13-07-2019 2:21am

No one was hurt or inconvenienced.

It's just another shocking video for the: 'Oh, a big metal thing on the road came close to me' thread.

Happens 10 times a day to car drivers but we don't film it and start a thread on Board.ie about it.

Isambard · 13-07-2019 7:42am

paleoperson wrote: »

As was previously stated (by me) every user of the road is supposed to keep to their side as much as possible - that's by law. This means riding on the left here as much as possible.

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I'd like to see that Law. Have you a link?

markpb · 13-07-2019 7:43am

paleoperson wrote: »

Anything you say critical of what I'm saying you will be WRONG period and I'm sorry if that comes off as arrogant, at this point it's just the way it is. Just listen to what I say and quit the bs.

You're hilarious!

Achasanai · 13-07-2019 8:38am

gctest50 wrote: »

Where is the rest of the video of their ride though ?

say 20 minutes before the clip posted in the Indo

What would the previous 20 minutes tell you, unless they had passed the same lorry before. Maybe on some kind of loop circuit?

It shouldn't be too hard to analyse that clip, and determine who was in the wrong.

Sheep breeder · 13-07-2019 8:59am

Have read all the posts and then looked at the video, the lorry driver was in the wrong crossing the line. The cyclist what need for to be out on the white line, when clearly the guy in front was cycling into the left and all could have cycled in single file.
Most days I drive a lot around the country and yesterday day was in 4 counties and every day see a near miss on the road. But not running down cyclists they are a law onto themselves and have a death wish the way they use the roads. There is two types of cyclists that I see on the road, the boy racer type and the older hoppy type, the boy racer will chance any thing and older dudes are for the middle of the road job and don’t care about anybody else as they have time on their side and love to swerve in and out.
Last week was behind a tractor and trailer climbing a bit of a hill and when he got to the top and was changing up gear the two cyclists that were behind serve out to over take and were both lucky the on coming car didn’t make mincemeat of them and they couldn’t see what was coming but still tried to over take where a car wouldn’t have attempted.

thelad95 · 13-07-2019 9:05am

happydan wrote: »

cyclist said he was out in the middle of the road as he had a beginner cyclist beside him.
he's NOT entitled to cycle two abreast on a narrow road with a solid white line.
hopefully he learnt his lesson.
not great diving by truck either in fairness

Cyclists can cycle anyway they want as long as they’re inside the white line.

But yeah, the massive truck liberally veering all over the place isn’t the problem at all.

Wishbone Ash · 13-07-2019 9:07am

The most disturbing aspect of in this thread is the frequent use of the word 'lorry' instead of 'truck'.

Very olde English!

Akrasia · 13-07-2019 9:10am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

And this is exactly why that hideous term 'snowflake' became a thing. I drive every day. Almost every day I avoid a situation that could become an accident. I don't try to label other road users as attempted murderers - why? Because I'm not a hysterical fool.

If you’re close to being in an accident almost every day then the common denominator is you.

A good driver doesn’t put oneself in the position of having to avoid accidents regularly.

beauf · 13-07-2019 9:31am

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

The most disturbing aspect of in this thread is the frequent use of the word 'lorry' instead of 'truck'.

Very olde English!

Truck is a US term Lorry a UK term.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7235961/M25-shut-eight-hours-crash-lorry-two-cars.html

beauf · 13-07-2019 9:59am

I dunno why this old video was reposted.

paleoperson wrote: »

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As was previously stated (by me) every user of the road is supposed to keep to their side as much as possible - that's by law. This means riding on the left here as much as possible.
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You have a bunch of reasons why the truck might have moved out, the same apply to a cyclist. Also there are valid reasons why a cyclist moves center lane. It's safer in some situations where staying left can be more dangerous.

As a driver you shouldn't expect a cyclist to stay left. They might move out for many valid reasons.

This cyclist was very far right. He is allowed to do that, but it's an odd road positioning on a road like this. Regardless of having a novice cyclist inside of you.

That said if you meet cyclists in a group cycling in twos. drivers should treat them like a tractor and trailer and not get so stressed about it.

However this video is really about did the driver of the lorry simply veer over due to inattention or was it deliberate. No way of knowing. But there are lots of online where drivers do it deliberately.

Wishbone Ash · 13-07-2019 10:04am

beauf wrote: »

Truck is a US term Lorry a UK term....

Lorry is a term associated with old 'diesel in the veins' type British truckers who cut their teeth on Fodens, Seddon Atkinsons and ERF's.

Everywhere else in the world they are referred to as trucks - hence my surprise at the use in this thread.

Brian Scan · 13-07-2019 10:41am

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

The most disturbing aspect of in this thread is the frequent use of the word 'lorry' instead of 'truck'.

Very olde English!

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

Lorry is a term associated with old 'diesel in the veins' type British truckers who cut their teeth on Fodens, Seddon Atkinsons and ERF's.

Everywhere else in the world they are referred to as trucks - hence my surprise at the use in this thread.

I hope you'll be alright.

beauf · 13-07-2019 10:53am

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

Lorry is a term associated with old 'diesel in the veins' type British truckers who cut their teeth on Fodens, Seddon Atkinsons and ERF's.

Everywhere else in the world they are referred to as trucks - hence my surprise at the use in this thread.

I linked to it used in the daily mail. Who wouldn't know one end of lorry from another. It shows it's common used, understood term in England.

On forums people tend to copy other posts and language mannerisms.

Here's an Irish website doing the same from English content...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thejournal.ie/factcheck-lorries-4469494-Feb2019/%3famp=1

beauf · 13-07-2019 10:54am

Why don't we copy trunk and hood though.

13-07-2019 10:55am

Akrasia wrote: »

If you’re close to being in an accident almost every day then the common denominator is you.

A good driver doesn’t put oneself in the position of having to avoid accidents regularly.

But I'm not close to being in an accident you see. Vehicles travel in close proximity to each other all the time without incident. That's the difference between you crying about a 'near miss' and posting a thread about it on boards and me just saying 'he was a bit far over the line' and then just getting on with my day.

Brian Scan · 13-07-2019 11:03am

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

Cyclist was an arrogant moron on a suicide mission in that clip.

Reasoned contribution. Well done.

work · 13-07-2019 11:04am

paleoperson wrote: »

Anything you say critical of what I'm saying you will be WRONG period and I'm sorry if that comes off as arrogant, at this point it's just the way it is. Just listen to what I say and quit the bs.

You come accross as an arrogant know it all but I assume that's your point. People that have absoloute confidence in what they say and cannot discourse are either pathologic liars or misguided fools. Take your pick but you completely destroy any weight your opinions may have with that attitude.

Brian Scan · 13-07-2019 11:08am

Sheep breeder wrote: »

Have read all the posts and then looked at the video, the lorry driver was in the wrong crossing the line. The cyclist what need for to be out on the white line, when clearly the guy in front was cycling into the left and all could have cycled in single file.
Most days I drive a lot around the country and yesterday day was in 4 counties and every day see a near miss on the road. But not running down cyclists they are a law onto themselves and have a death wish the way they use the roads. There is two types of cyclists that I see on the road, the boy racer type and the older hoppy type, the boy racer will chance any thing and older dudes are for the middle of the road job and don’t care about anybody else as they have time on their side and love to swerve in and out.
Last week was behind a tractor and trailer climbing a bit of a hill and when he got to the top and was changing up gear the two cyclists that were behind serve out to over take and were both lucky the on coming car didn’t make mincemeat of them and they couldn’t see what was coming but still tried to over take where a car wouldn’t have attempted.

What you saw two cyclists doing last week is completely irrelevant in this context.

work · 13-07-2019 11:14am

Sheep breeder wrote: »

......the lorry driver was in the wrong crossing the line.......... cyclists they are a law onto themselves and have a death wish .......

So you admit the truck driver was it the wrong and through some rhetoric conclude ALL cyclists have a death wish and as such they should ALL be treated as substandard beings kind of justifying their harrassment, injury and death on the roads. It is shocking the group thought cyclists have to live with.
In fairness you probably do not think you are doing this but please do think about it!

lalababa · 13-07-2019 11:17am

I used to be a driving instructor & was/am a cyclist . Cycling (for me) is a waste of time on narrow and not so narrow busy roads such as dual carrageways and especially on busy main roads. You know the one's where the width of the lane would almost totally be taken up by a truck....yet everyone bombs along around 60mph. Even every so slightly wider lane roads as well. Because , and let's just take cars .... I took count of this on an hour's cycle one day...every 2 out of 3 cars overtook/passed me whilst doing the wrong thing. Either they passed me too fast with oncoming traffic..ie weaved in and out whilst too fast or they passed me too close..or they passed me too wide... generally not really gauging my speed...generally not wanting to slow down.
It really would put you in fear. Fear for yourself but also fear for oncoming traffic.
This fear coupled with the headache inducing noise and fumes makes me plan cycles towards very quite country roads and lanes and Greenway, which I enjoy greatly.

donvito99 · 13-07-2019 11:18am

Something gives me the impression that the type of poster on here who says that a cyclist doing no wrong on the correct side of the road has a "death wish" is the same type of individual who probably things its grand to interfere with women because they're wearing a short skirt...

Queue some more "snowflake" and "triggered" whataboutery

elperello · 13-07-2019 11:23am

beauf wrote: »

Why don't we copy trunk and hood though.

Interesting question.

There is a whole culture attached to truckers and trucking in the US so that makes the word truck attractive to adopt.

You don't have the same applying to trunk or hood ie. no trunkers or hooders.

It would be a pity if lorry as a word fell from use altogether as there is a degree of heritage behind it. One that did die out and you never hear today is pantechnicon.

13-07-2019 11:42am

donvito99 wrote: »

Something gives me the impression that the type of poster on here who says that a cyclist doing no wrong on the correct side of the road has a "death wish" is the same type of individual who probably things its grand to interfere with women because they're wearing a short skirt...

Queue some more "snowflake" and "triggered" whataboutery

That is one very strange post.

Odyssey 2005 · 13-07-2019 11:53am

donvito99 wrote: »

Something gives me the impression that the type of poster on here who says that a cyclist doing no wrong on the correct side of the road has a "death wish" is the same type of individual who probably things its grand to interfere with women because they're wearing a short skirt...

Queue some more "snowflake" and "triggered" whataboutery

And you called me a spa !;)

i57dwun4yb1pt8 · 13-07-2019 12:19pm

100% convinced that trucker aimed to scare the cyclist , he should be arrested for it .

i57dwun4yb1pt8 · 13-07-2019 12:21pm

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

The most disturbing aspect of in this thread is the frequent use of the word 'lorry' instead of 'truck'.

Very olde English!

any chance you'd post some pics of your Etchings

donvito99 · 13-07-2019 12:22pm

Odyssey 2005 wrote: »

And you called me a spa !;)

Was I wrong?

How is this still being argued?

italodisco · 13-07-2019 12:27pm

donvito99 wrote: »

Was I wrong?

How is this still being argued?

Just looking at that photo has my heart racing, that truck driver, ffs...

Im in the ukraine at the mo for a short trip and rural roads are terrifying, huge trucks drive down the middle of small back roads like mad men, people walk out in the lanes, overtaking occurs on blind bends as if it were some sort of death race.

A bit like donegal :pac:

Spook_ie · 13-07-2019 12:52pm

Dravokivich wrote: »

A bike is not a steady point to sit a camera on. Its bound to wobble. Maybe they dont have a camera with motion correction or some sort of gyroscope on the lens.

The guy in front wasn't wobbling all over the road, was he ?

jjpep · 13-07-2019 12:59pm

What is it about going from a to b turns some people into such psychos? There's someone in front of you going slower because they're on a bike/tractor/older driver/whatever. Relax. You'll get to wherever super important place you're heading to. You may get there a few seconds, possibly even a minute, slower. Is it really that big a deal?

donvito99 · 13-07-2019 1:06pm

jjpep wrote: »

What is it about going from a to b turns some people into such psychos?

1. Something about "road" tax
2. Something about two-abreast despite the fact it is safer and quicker to overtake cyclists two-abreast than it is cyclists in single file
3. Something about lycra or something

BorneTobyWilde · 13-07-2019 1:07pm

Truck driver knew what he was going, '' get the hell off the white line you stupid ccu nt'' That's how I see it, it was a deliberate action by truck driver, not a lack of concentration. No need for the cyclist to be cycling on the white line, truck needed the room and taught cyclist a lesson. Maybe he'll stop cycling on the white line now.

donvito99 · 13-07-2019 1:09pm

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Truck driver knew what he was going, '' get the hell off the white line you stupid ccu nt'' That's how I see it, it was a deliberate action by truck driver, not a lack of concentration. No need for the cyclist to be cycling on the white line, truck needed the room and taught cyclist a lesson. Maybe he'll stop cycling on the white line now.

4. Something about punishing people being on the correct side of the road by driving at them.

elperello · 13-07-2019 1:13pm

Just looking again at that still, there is a good surface inside the yellow.
When I'm cycling I always use those areas to keep as far from traffic as possible.
When I'm driving I always take extra care near cyclists and walkers.

Maybe there should be a cycling module in the driving test?

BorneTobyWilde · 13-07-2019 1:14pm

donvito99 wrote: »

4. Something about punishing people being on the correct side of the road by driving at them.

Video shows him actually cycling on the white line, it would have been a possible collision had cycling stayed there and truck needed to pass him in that position, as the truck too needs to drive on the white line on such a narrow road. Both can't hug the white line, the trucks needs too, the guy on the bicycle had no purpose being there.

donvito99 · 13-07-2019 1:15pm

elperello wrote: »

Just looking again at that still, there is a good surface inside the yellow.

Why would you take a bicycle into the section of road where all the chippings, broken glass, illegal dumping and general detritus collects? Why can't lorry drivers keep to their side of the road?

elperello · 13-07-2019 1:19pm

donvito99 wrote: »

Why would you take a bicycle into the section of road where all the chippings, broken glass, illegal dumping and general detritus collects? Why can't lorry drivers keep to their side of the road?

Well obviously I wouldn't.
If the area inside the yellow is clean I will. Self preservation I guess.

Everyone should keep to their side of the road.

donvito99 · 13-07-2019 1:20pm

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Video shows him actually cycling on the white line, it would have been a possible collision had cycling stayed there and truck needed to pass him in that position, as the truck too needs to drive on the white line on such a narrow road. Both can't hug the white line, the trucks needs too, the guy on the bicycle had no purpose being there.

The video shows him cycling in the middle of the lane...

The video also shows the lorry, on the correct side of the road, straying onto the wrong side of the road... and the cyclist is apparently at fault.

The whole "cyclists should have licences" thing doesn't hold much water when licence holders are defending this maneuver.

BorneTobyWilde · 13-07-2019 2:30pm

This is what truck saw coming towards him. A guy on the white line on a bicycle.

donvito99 · 13-07-2019 2:34pm

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

This is what truck saw coming towards him. A guy on the white line on a bicycle.

How is the cyclist on the white line when the truck has crossed the white line and is straddling both lanes?

13-07-2019 3:11pm

donvito99 wrote: »

How is the cyclist on the white line when the truck has crossed the white line and is straddling both lanes?

He was, and then he moved, geddit???

13-07-2019 3:22pm

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

This is what truck saw coming towards him. A guy on the white line on a bicycle.

You're correct, it totally justifies the truckers actions, you're awesome

Cyclists and lorries on rural roads...

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