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  • #102
    littlecopilot
    Registered Users Posts: 76 ✭✭littlecopilot


    Will get some new cables. Strange I loose half the speed with the 2.4Ghz up again the router (from 217 down to 100). I've had 3Mbps for years so it's still heaven from me :D

    You thing getting cat7 for the 150 feet to my office will be better than what I have now? Think Cat5 now. It's down to 30Mbps in office


  • #103
    littlecopilot
    Registered Users Posts: 76 ✭✭littlecopilot


    Lads. Really appreciate all the help. I don't feel as bad now with it and thanks ED. I will find that piece of sh1t software :D


  • #104
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    littlecopilot wrote: »
    Will get some new cables. Strange I loose half the speed with the 2.4Ghz up again the router (from 217 down to 100). I've had 3Mbps for years so it's still heaven from me :D

    You thing getting cat7 for the 150 feet to my office will be better than what I have now? Think Cat5 now. It's down to 30Mbps in office

    Just get Cat5e or Cat6. The higher cable specs are shielded and intended for industrial environments. There is no need for them in a standard domestic setting.


  • #105
    tuxy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,983 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    Yes of course, smartbyte was mentioned by someone recently wasn't it?


  • #106
    ED E
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,169 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    tuxy wrote: »
    Yes of course, smartbyte was mentioned by someone recently wasn't it?

    Exactly. If littlecopilot reports a big change we'll need to put out a big health warning.


  • #107
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    tuxy wrote: »
    Yes of course, smartbyte was mentioned by someone recently wasn't it?

    It was in this thread but it seemed to completely cripple that connection which is why I discounted it here.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=108668272


  • #108
    tuxy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,983 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    https://imgur.com/a/vDK1IST

    Does that cable look like the old cat5 that came with the Eircom ADSL modems?
    I can't read enough of the writing to see it it says cat5 or cat5e.
    It doesn't look new anyway. Although I guess it must be if he's getting 200 Mbit over wifi.
    I'd be interested in seeing the writing on the cable that does to the laptop.


  • #109
    Andy From Sligo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,840 ✭✭✭✭Andy From Sligo


    littlecopilot wrote: »
    .... I've had 3Mbps for years so it's still heaven from me :D ....

    Gord yeah what a difference it must feel like. I think with a lot of people even people who were on say a broadband 30mbps ADSL suddenly increased up to speeds of 150mbps and above.

    after a while people will get used to it of course - i remember when I first moved to Ireland years ago I was aghast at all the lovely scenery , the mountains and the lakes for quite a long time - now when I am out and about these days I dont normally give a second look now because I am used to it LOL


  • #110
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    tuxy wrote: »
    https://imgur.com/a/vDK1IST

    Does that cable look like the old cat5 that came with the Eircom ADSL modems?
    I can't read enough of the writing to see it it says cat5 or cat5e.
    It doesn't look new anyway. Although I guess it must be if he's getting 200 Mbit over wifi.
    I'd be interested in seeing the writing on the cable that does to the laptop.

    That grey cable with the yellow connectors is the standard Cat5e that comes with the eir installation. It's the cable he's using from the router to the LAN machines that I'd suspect.


  • #111
    littlecopilot
    Registered Users Posts: 76 ✭✭littlecopilot


    www .speedtest. net/result/7842448792

    286.76Mbps down and 46.78 up. Direct to router with new cat6 cable and uninstalled smartbyte. Thanks guys :D


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  • #112
    tuxy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,983 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    Perfect!


  • #113
    The high horse brigade
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,456 ✭✭✭The high horse brigade


    They Smartbyte has been known to install itself again through Dell updates


  • #114
    Andy From Sligo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,840 ✭✭✭✭Andy From Sligo


    if a person were to go down the route of hard wired which out of these 2 would be the best way to work it top one or bottom one? - or would either suffice and not make a difference?

    467225.jpg


    take eternet from ONT - run it with cat 6 along ceiling to another room and then plug in Wan socket of router and then plug computer into LAN 1 socket

    or

    Take ethernet from ONT put in WAN socket on router by ONT and then run cat 6 cable from LAN 1 socket and then to PC ?


  • #115
    tuxy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,983 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    Won't matter once the cable never goes over 100 metres
    Remember when we talked about you running cable from the bedroom to the hall?


  • #116
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    Andy From Sligo wrote: »
    if a person were to go down the route of hard wired which out of these 2 would be the best way to work it top one or bottom one? - or would either suffice and not make a difference?

    467225.jpg


    take eternet from ONT - run it with cat 6 along ceiling to another room and then plug in Wan socket of router and then plug computer into LAN 1 socket

    or

    Take ethernet from ONT put in WAN socket on router by ONT and then run cat 6 cable from LAN 1 socket and then to PC ?

    Either should work (up to 100 metres Ethernet distance). The second has the advantage of being able to place the router more centrally if required.


  • #117
    Andy From Sligo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,840 ✭✭✭✭Andy From Sligo


    tuxy wrote: »
    Won't matter once the cable never goes over 100 metres
    Remember when we talked about you running cable from the bedroom to the hall?

    ah yes thats right thanks


  • #118
    The high horse brigade
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,456 ✭✭✭The high horse brigade


    Andy From Sligo wrote: »
    if a person were to go down the route of hard wired which out of these 2 would be the best way to work it top one or bottom one? - or would either suffice and not make a difference?

    467225.jpg


    take eternet from ONT - run it with cat 6 along ceiling to another room and then plug in Wan socket of router and then plug computer into LAN 1 socket

    or

    Take ethernet from ONT put in WAN socket on router by ONT and then run cat 6 cable from LAN 1 socket and then to PC ?

    Put the router where you can centrally give yourself the best wireless coverage and hardwire to everything static not just your pc, consoles, satellite and Android boxes etc. Buy a box of cable and do it yourself. You have a futureproof connection, why not use this opportunity to futureproof your local network


  • #119
    littlecopilot
    Registered Users Posts: 76 ✭✭littlecopilot


    I'm going to replace the old cat5 from my house to my office (about 50m away) as I'm only getting 30Mbps (out of possible 280Mbps) in office. I've a RT-AC68U router in there and the cat5 is connected to it for wireless devices. It's always worked well with 3Mbps :)

    Will the cat6 give similar speeds in office you think as it's under 100m? Thinking of getting this cable

    www. amazon.co. uk/gp/product/B00EOTHEL6


  • #120
    Marlow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,555 ✭✭✭✭Marlow


    littlecopilot wrote: »
    I'm going to replace the old cat5 from my house to my office (about 50m away) as I'm only getting 30Mbps (out of possible 280Mbps) in office. I've a RT-AC68U router in there and the cat5 is connected to it for wireless devices. It's always worked well with 3Mbps :)

    Will the cat6 give similar speeds in office you think as it's under 100m? Thinking of getting this cable

    www. amazon.co. uk/gp/product/B00EOTHEL6

    That'll do the finest and will be good for Gbit/s. Just for 10 Gig it's too long.

    /M


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  • #121
    tuxy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,983 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    Both cat5e and cat6 will do full gigabit ethernet up to 100 metres. Very little difference in speed between a 1 meter cable and 100.


  • #122
    littlecopilot
    Registered Users Posts: 76 ✭✭littlecopilot


    Thanks guys


  • #123
    littlecopilot
    Registered Users Posts: 76 ✭✭littlecopilot


    tuxy wrote: »
    Both cat5e and cat6 will do full gigabit ethernet up to 100 metres. Very little difference in speed between a 1 meter cable and 100.

    160 feet of cat5e and now 286Mbps wired from my RT-AC68U :D

    It's only now I'm realising the limitations of wifi because you don't notice the speeds with low speed broadband. Even on the RT-AC68U 2.4Ghz is ~100Mbps and 5Ghz is ~200Mbps. Is this normal with fast speeds?


  • #124
    tuxy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,983 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    Yup totally normal, WIFI speed is very limited and unstable. There are just so many different things that can cause interference with WIFI signal but ethernet cables are well insulated.

    Wired is really the best way to go when you have FTTH.
    You could get a setup where you get stable full 300Mbit in every room over 5 Ghz wifi but it would probably require having an expensive (€70) access point in every room! And even then it will not be as consistent as wired.


  • #125
    The high horse brigade
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,456 ✭✭✭The high horse brigade


    tuxy wrote: »
    Yup totally normal, WIFI speed is very limited and unstable. There are just so many different things that can cause interference with WIFI signal but ethernet cables are well insulated.

    Wired is really the best way to go when you have FTTH.
    You could get a setup where you get stable full 300Mbit in every room over 5 Ghz wifi but it would probably require having an expensive (€70) access point in every room! And even then it will not be as consistent as wired.

    And it will still be half duplex, send or receive not both at the same time like a cable


  • #126
    QuadaLumpins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 93 ✭✭QuadaLumpins


    Hi all ... great thread!

    I've just had eir gigabit installed - the 300/50 fibre package with phone.

    Wifi is not great around the house. I have 2 Google mesh's, but only getting between 25-50mb in rooms outside the router location.

    Someone advised that I turn off the 2.4ghz band on the router. Is this a good idea? Why would/should I do this?

    /edit/ we have a wireless home phone and a host of other wireless keyboards, mice, etc etc etc. Does this have any effect on the decision?


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  • #127
    ED E
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,169 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    One possible config would be.

    Room A:
    Eir F2000
    Google Wifi 1

    Room B:
    Google Wifi 2

    Disable the wireless on the F2000 entirely, cable the Gwifi 1 to the F2000 and then let them do all of your wireless needs rather than trying to piggyback on a poor connection from the F2000.

    They should use both bands and move clients around as appropriate. Room B should be half way between Room A and the furthest point from Room A.


  • #128
    QuadaLumpins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 93 ✭✭QuadaLumpins


    ED E wrote: »
    One possible config would be.

    Room A:
    Eir F2000
    Google Wifi 1

    Room B:
    Google Wifi 2

    Disable the wireless on the F2000 entirely, cable the Gwifi 1 to the F2000 and then let them do all of your wireless needs rather than trying to piggyback on a poor connection from the F2000.

    They should use both bands and move clients around as appropriate. Room B should be half way between Room A and the furthest point from Room A.

    Ok, thanks for that.

    Just to be sure I understand ...

    1. Disable the wifi (both 5ghz and 2.4ghz) on the F2000. Do this through the router settings in http://192.168.1.xxx.
    2. I have the first Google mesh device cabled to the F2000 in the upstairs bedroom on top of wardrobe. (Not possible to move anywhere else at the moment.)
    3. Second Google mesh is in the living room directly downstairs from the bedroom.

    The house is a standard 3 bed semi. I need wifi in the living room (Nvidia Shield, TV, laptops, phones). Also need wifi in the office which is upstairs beside main bedroom.

    If I follow your config will I likely have stronger signal throughout the house?

    I have no leeway to move the router right now, but can move the 2nd Google mesh if needs be. Also, no leeway to cable out of the main bedroom.


  • #129
    ED E
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,169 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    Yeah, I'd at least test it that way.

    Fair bit depends on the construction of the house and the area but that should be ok. Put the phone base station AWAY from both the 2000 and the Gwifi.


  • #130
    QuadaLumpins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 93 ✭✭QuadaLumpins


    ED E wrote: »
    Yeah, I'd at least test it that way.

    Fair bit depends on the construction of the house and the area but that should be ok. Put the phone base station AWAY from both the 2000 and the Gwifi.

    OK thanks ... I'll test and report back here.

    Phone base is in the same room as F2000 but approx 5 meters away. Is that far enough?


  • #131
    ED E
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,169 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    Should be yeah.


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  • #132
    detective
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 444 ✭✭detective


    Charli Nice Spittoon wrote: »
    If you are several hundred metres from the end of a line and your neighbour's Eircode is passing but yours is not it is highly unlikely that you can get added.

    FTTH is passing my house. My neighbours on both sides are marked on Eir's map as going to get FTTH but my house is not. The map still recognises my house so it's not an Eircode issue. I believe it's because my house is set back more than 50 metres from the road. Am I going to lose out or do you think this can be overcome? My house is probably 75 metres from the road so it's not that far set back.


  • #133
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    detective wrote: »
    FTTH is passing my house. My neighbours on both sides are marked on Eir's map as going to get FTTH but my house is not. The map still recognises my house so it's not an Eircode issue. I believe it's because my house is set back more than 50 metres from the road. Am I going to lose out or do you think this can be overcome? My house is probably 75 metres from the road so it's not that far set back.

    Is the area live? Do your neighbour's Eircodes show as available on

    http://www.airwire.ie/avail

    If the area is live and your neighbours can get it but you can't then it's going to be very difficult to get added. Your best bet may be to talk to a smaller ISP such as Airwire to see if they have contacts that may be able to help. The larger ISPs won't want to know.

    If the area is not live then you are probably best to wait for the area to go live and see if you have been included. The map is not totally accurate and I've see premises included that were not due to be according to the map.


  • #134
    detective
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 444 ✭✭detective


    Thanks for your time.

    Area isnt live yet but there is increased activity from KN and Eir. The house has a duct put in by original owner/builder but I don’t see terminal point in house so I don’t even know if a telephone cable was ever installed. I was thinking they might have to add me via USO but I’m probably dreaming.


  • #135
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    detective wrote: »
    Thanks for your time.

    Area isnt live yet but there is increased activity from KN and Eir. The house has a duct put in by original owner/builder but I don’t see terminal point in house so I don’t even know if a telephone cable was ever installed. I was thinking they might have to add me via USO but I’m probably dreaming.

    No USO for fibre unfortunately.


  • #136
    Johnboy1951
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,031 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    detective wrote: »
    Thanks for your time.

    Area isnt live yet but there is increased activity from KN and Eir. The house has a duct put in by original owner/builder but I don’t see terminal point in house so I don’t even know if a telephone cable was ever installed. I was thinking they might have to add me via USO but I’m probably dreaming.

    You need to locate your end of that duct.


  • #137
    detective
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 444 ✭✭detective


    My house has a clear line of sight to the roadside poll on my land... are there any wireless solutions to Eir’s FTTH (I appreciate how that’s not exactly FTTH). It would be a lot better than 2mb/s!!


  • #138
    Marlow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,555 ✭✭✭✭Marlow


    detective wrote: »
    My house has a clear line of sight to the roadside poll on my land... are there any wireless solutions to Eir’s FTTH (I appreciate how that’s not exactly FTTH). It would be a lot better than 2mb/s!!

    Find a friendly neighbor, that gets enabled. Get a connection to his place. Build a wireless link. 150-200 Mbit/s are no problem at a fairly low budget.

    /M


  • #139
    Roen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,620 ✭✭✭Roen


    So looks like my house is now fiber enabled.
    Having some fun trying to get a hold of someone in Eir to ask how does your typical install look like.

    My phone line is running from the Eir manholes at the entrance to the drive (Eir were working on these for approx two weeks during the upgrade work) and pops out in the hall.
    I guess the installers are going to prefer the handy option and sling a cable from the pole nearby to the house?
    Or is there a chance they'll attempt a run underground? Approx 40-50m.

    Cheers.
    R.


  • #140
    ACLFC7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 290 ✭✭ACLFC7


    Roen wrote: »

    My phone line is running from the Eir manholes at the entrance to the drive (Eir were working on these for approx two weeks during the upgrade work) and pops out in the hall.
    I guess the installers are going to prefer the handy option and sling a cable from the pole nearby to the house?
    Or is there a chance they'll attempt a run underground? Approx 40-50m.

    Cheers.
    R.

    If you already have a duct with your phone line from the manhole to somewhere in your house then Eir will just try pull the fibre cable through the same duct. There should be a rope in your duct left there from when your house was built. Try to expose the end of the duct thats in your house.


  • #141
    Roen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,620 ✭✭✭Roen


    Cheers ACLFC7,

    I am in contact with the lad that built the house so he should be able to tell if there's rope or not. I always leave one in any runs I do alright, just hope others had the same sense 13 years back!
    R.


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  • #142
    Andy From Sligo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,840 ✭✭✭✭Andy From Sligo


    ACLFC7 wrote: »
    If you already have a duct with your phone line from the manhole to somewhere in your house then Eir will just try pull the fibre cable through the same duct. There should be a rope in your duct left there from when your house was built. Try to expose the end of the duct thats in your house.

    interesting that, our house was built 10 years ago - I must have a check see if there is a rope in the duct


  • #143
    Kencollins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 567 ✭✭✭Kencollins


    Hi all,

    My house is marked on the Eir Rollout Map as the last house on the fibre run in our viallage.

    Is there a limit in distance from the pole mounted box to the premises? There is an Eir pole at my gate, and the house is about 150m from this pole.

    I will have to run a duct to the house as the previous owner just burried the Eir cable in the ground after the duct was damaged.

    Is there a way to pay Eir to put a pole on my land? It would by MUCH easier if Eir could run the fibre overhead for as long as possible, and then I could duct from the new pole to the house.

    Thanks in advance,

    Ken


  • #144
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    Kencollins wrote: »
    Hi all,

    My house is marked on the Eir Rollout Map as the last house on the fibre run in our viallage.

    Is there a limit in distance from the pole mounted box to the premises? There is an Eir pole at my gate, and the house is about 150m from this pole.

    I will have to run a duct to the house as the previous owner just burried the Eir cable in the ground after the duct was damaged.

    Is there a way to pay Eir to put a pole on my land? It would by MUCH easier if Eir could run the fibre overhead for as long as possible, and then I could duct from the new pole to the house.

    Thanks in advance,

    Ken

    If you wait until the area is live you may find that when the installer comes he will want to have pole(s) installed to complete the job. If this is the case open eir usually cover the cost of the pole installation which would obviously work out cheaper for you than having to install 150m of ducting.


  • #145
    Marlow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,555 ✭✭✭✭Marlow


    The first visit is usually treated a survey. So you can go with that and see, what the installer says.

    But OpenEIR have a clear policy, that they won't connect houses overhead, that are more than 50m from the road or the last pole. If poles are in place, you may be lucky. They have desktop figures of how far you are from the pole or road near your house, so they do know already before coming out. So you may end up having to put ducting down yourself. Direct buried is a total no go.

    And no .. OpenEIR won't do that for you.

    /M


  • #146
    Kencollins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 567 ✭✭✭Kencollins


    Thanks for all the info!

    I might bite the bullet and put a proper 100mm duct to the gate, it might come in useful in the future. I know ducting isn'tsupposed to be shared with other services but a cat5 run or power cable run to the gate would be handy!

    I know OpenEIR won't do the ducting, I was hoping to minimize the amount of digging I would have to do with the pole option!

    I guess we will see what the site visit technician comes up with

    Ken


  • #147
    Jpmarn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,484 ✭✭✭Jpmarn


    I had a Vodafone sales man calling to my house a few days ago. He seems to be selling connections off the Open Eir FTTH platform. I am presently an Eir customer with a FFTH connection. I do associate Vodafone with Siro Fibre with ESB.


  • #148
    Marlow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,555 ✭✭✭✭Marlow


    Jpmarn wrote: »
    I had a Vodafone sales man calling to my house a few days ago. He seems to be selling connections off the Open Eir FTTH platform. I am presently an Eir customer with a FFTH connection. I do associate Vodafone with Siro Fibre with ESB.

    No. They are now on both platforms. But that is a recent development. Not that that improves their business or customer service ;) Lots of others to choose from.

    /M


  • #149
    Baoithin66
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 191 ✭✭Baoithin66


    Getting FTTH next week and hoping to bring in through the attic as there is no duct available and don't want to start digging. Does it make any difference where the router is in the house as regards the wifi signal?


  • #150
    ED E
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,169 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    Baoithin66 wrote: »
    Getting FTTH next week and hoping to bring in through the attic as there is no duct available and don't want to start digging. Does it make any difference where the router is in the house as regards the wifi signal?

    OpenEir (Not SIRO)? Officially they can't go into the attic.


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  • #151
    Baoithin66
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 191 ✭✭Baoithin66


    OpenEir. I hope to pull the cable through the attic myself. Have a double socket just beside the loft ladder and they could literally work from the loft ladder or I could pull the cable down into a bedroom through a phone cable duct that is not being used.


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