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EoinHef · 05-11-2019 11:58pm

Would Jim Sterling be included in using the negative side of things for views?

Does he do positive videos anymore?

I do agree the negativity clcik bait is there for sure. When something happens in Fallout 76 all the negative videos to pop out of the woodwork on youtube.

What surprises me is the amount of views,i mean i didint even think that game would have that many players never mind that many people interested enough to watch a video about it.

J. Marston · 06-11-2019 12:03am

Jim's news stuff is overwhelmingly negative. I don't watch those anymore. They're all the same "Bethesda/EA bad, triple aaaaaa".

He himself has said that negative videos push views and subscribers and that positive news videos he does do get a fraction of the views.

I like his Jimpressions videos though. He is much more grounded in those.

Robert ninja · 06-11-2019 7:04am

Watched this a bit ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHQfUd4Jl04

Penn · 06-11-2019 10:15am

EoinHef wrote: »

Would Jim Sterling be included in using the negative side of things for views?

Does he do positive videos anymore?

I do agree the negativity clcik bait is there for sure. When something happens in Fallout 76 all the negative videos to pop out of the woodwork on youtube.

What surprises me is the amount of views,i mean i didint even think that game would have that many players never mind that many people interested enough to watch a video about it.

Yeah Jim himself has said that when he does positive videos, they get a fraction of the views the negative ones do.

In fairness to Jim though, at least his negative videos are "This industry practice is sh*tty" and not "They gave a female character a prominent role in this game those DAMN SJW CUCKS!"

pixelburp · 06-11-2019 10:26am

Sterling stopped publishing those "review" videos of Steam detritus which has helped make his channel less negative, and so sticks to games he actually wants to talk about: which means by and large the actual gaming content is generally quite positive. His reviews of Disco Elysium, Children of Morta & The Outer Worlds are highly effusive, while he reviewed MediEvil for the nostalgic factor of a game from his youth.

He's an odd fish, because a lot of what he says is both common sense, well researched or thought out, and often very prophetic; but he wraps it up in a presentation style that's incredibly Marmite and alienating. I'd have a lot of time for him but even I get a little tired of his forced histrionics, wishing he would just mature his approach a little. It just makes it easy for his distractor to overly emphasise that persona as a criticism. Ultimately though, when it comes to the direction the AAA games company is heading in, he's on the money.

Retr0gamer · 06-11-2019 10:47am

I also think he can say what he says in his videos in half the time. Do respect his opinions though and good on him calling out the BS, even if giving BotW a lower score than HZD is utterly unforgivable.

Sonics2k · 06-11-2019 10:57am

I find if you skip his intros and outros his videos are very good. I like the actual content he provides but often find the 'character' he puts out there as just irritating.

SomeSayKos · 06-11-2019 12:11pm

pixelburp wrote: »

He's an odd fish, because a lot of what he says is both common sense, well researched or thought out, and often very prophetic; but he wraps it up in a presentation style that's incredibly Marmite and alienating. I'd have a lot of time for him but even I get a little tired of his forced histrionics, wishing he would just mature his approach a little. It just makes it easy for his distractor to overly emphasise that persona as a criticism. Ultimately though, when it comes to the direction the AAA games company is heading in, he's on the money.

I agree with a lot of this. I don't watch his stuff anymore though as I'm just not a fan of of his presentation shtick.
In general though I watch a lot less of the aul angry youtube lads because I found it was just a really negative headspace to be in and I reached a point where I asked myself why I was watching this stuff. The truth is I was just an unhappy person that craved negative content. Now I'm of the opinion that these angry youtube lads who make mean spirited content that contribute nothing other than negativity aren't really worth anybody's time. The hypocrisy of these people is genuinely mind boggling.

gizmo · 06-11-2019 12:30pm

Yup, it's the Jim "****ing" Sterling shtick that puts me off watching more of his content but behind all that, he seems like a decent dude who I'd be happy to go for a pint with.

...even if it's only to tell him how wrong he was about Vanquish.

J. Marston · 06-11-2019 3:01pm

His OTT stuff can be grating. With that said, I do like his Duke character that takes the piss out of hardcore git gud gamers.

PostWoke · 06-11-2019 5:22pm

EoinHef wrote: »

Does he do positive videos anymore?

He was raving about how good Disco Elyseum was the other day.

If only boards had posters of the same quality as Jim. He's a treasure and the most important pundit in games. Sometimes I can't watch his videos because yeah there's a lot of negative stuff to talk about, Konami, Ubi, EA, and Activision Blizzard still exist. And his favourite, Bethesda. But overall he does important work for the medium, rather than what Gamergaters consider important for the medium, harassing women in games on twitter.

EoinHef · 06-11-2019 7:24pm

PostWoke wrote: »

He was raving about how good Disco Elyseum was the other day.

If only boards had posters of the same quality as Jim. He's a treasure and the most important pundit in games. Sometimes I can't watch his videos because yeah there's a lot of negative stuff to talk about, Konami, Ubi, EA, and Activision Blizzard still exist. And his favourite, Bethesda. But overall he does important work for the medium, rather than what Gamergaters consider important for the medium, harassing women in games on twitter.

Well i dont watch him and i dont find my life is any lesser for it. I tend to to stay away from the click baity negative stuff on the internet in general though. Lots of people dont seem to.

Its just whenever his videos are posted the titles always seem to indicate an amount of negativity but its the negativity people dont seem to mind,so seems some negativity is ok with people.

Ive no interest in gamergate,or any other internet drama for that matter,i find people get way to worked up about it on either side.

Personally ive enough things to be getting on with in my own life i just dont care.

Robert ninja · 06-11-2019 8:43pm

*snip*

PopePalpatine · 06-11-2019 9:21pm

Did someone make fun of anime boob games again?

Penn · 07-11-2019 9:21am

Robert ninja wrote: »

Jim's beautiful wife.

What point are you trying to make?

07-11-2019 9:35am

Penn wrote: »

What point are you trying to make?

Exactly this

Sonics2k · 07-11-2019 9:47am

I think we all know that Robert is just showing his true colours now.

johnny_ultimate · 07-11-2019 10:14am

Mod note: Post deleted for obvious reasons. We will not tolerate any of that nonsense even in this thread.

SomeSayKos · 07-11-2019 11:53am

Sonics2k wrote: »

I think we all know that Robert is just showing his true colours now.

Yup. Pathetic

Shiminay · 07-11-2019 12:43pm

Remember guys, it's about ethics in journalism... :rolleyes:

Anyway, I listen to Jim's podcasts and they give me a good laugh, I admire the man's sense of humour outside of games criticism, especially the stuff he does with former Destructoid colleagues Conrad Zimmerman and Jonathon Off Road Rules. So I guess I get more positive than the negative he puts out via videos, but as mentioned already, he's on record as saying that he makes practically zero money from "positive" vids.

pixelburp · 07-11-2019 1:29pm

As has been mentioned already, anyone who champions "Free Speech" in games media, but then cheers at the corporate shenanigans going on at G/O Media, is a flaming hypocrite.

It's as simple as that, and some could do with remembering the old maxim from (googles) Evelyn Hall that ... "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it". You can hate Kotaku, but should absolutely defend their right to print what they do (including pretty important investigative works amidst the pearl clutching). Easy to be a champion of free speech for your beliefs, harder to do so with those you don't.

But that's the Bunker Mentality you see in some gamers, this allergy or wilful blindness to the reality that their favourite hobby is a multi-multi billion dollar industry, with all the shilling, chicanery and corporate malfeasance that comes with the territory. Easy to pretend it's still a bedroom-nerd cottage industry. Heck we're posting in this thread because of that hysterical aversion; I do wonder if (say) the Soccer forum experiences that problem from fans who go nuts at the notion of discussing FIFA's obvious corruption?

Robert ninja · 07-11-2019 1:29pm

Sterling got interviews of pro/netural gamergate developers removed from The Escapist with his buddies Zoe "bloodstained" Quinn and Alex Lifschitz because they didn't like the people in question or allowing any pushback to their BS narrative, using IRC logs as evidence that had been debunked. Censorship and deplatforming is their bread and butter, though.

Penn wrote: »

What point are you trying to make?

That she's beautiful and her take on judging/sorting people's opinions based on their race is something worthwhile to signal. How rude of you all to be so horrified by her image that you took it down.

pixelburp wrote: »

"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"[/I]. You can hate Kotaku, but should absolutely defend their right to print what they do

Absolutely. May they print their gamer hating shyte until they go bankrupt.
"Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake." — Napoleon Bonaparte

Penn · 07-11-2019 2:11pm

Robert ninja wrote: »

That she's beautiful and her take on judging/sorting people's opinions based on their race is something worthwhile to signal. How rude of you all to be so horrified by her image that you took it down.

Robert ninja wrote: »

"Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake." — Napoleon Bonaparte

Penn · 07-11-2019 3:41pm

The Phantom Pain wrote: »

I wouldn't say Jim is clickbaity because he considers all the facts and usually takes his time before posting a video on the latest controversy until he's got all those facts. The same can't be said for the others.

I'd agree when it comes to The Jimquisition, but he often puts out a 5-10min video each day, usually responding to something that happened that day that was somewhat controversial. Those videos tend to be a lot more of a quick rambling rant than a researched rant like the Jimquisition videos.

EoinHef · 07-11-2019 8:11pm

Tell ye what,i might make my own media/youtube channel and just pick random topics to complain about if it sells so well:P

I find the videos/critcism i dont mind watching/reading are from people i know are informed about the product there critcising. For exapmle Paul Tasei writes for forbes and talks about Destiny 2 as basically his job,not every piece is critical but he can be harsh when its needed,id actually trust his views on other games now. To me thats informed criticism. Theres other sources i respect when it comes to other games.

Im not saying you have to have a ton of hours in something to have an opinion on it,i just feel that an opinion has to be weighted against these things,like bias,actual investment you have made in the product time wise,is there an agenda ie are you actually trying to be critical or is it just "this sux,the devs suck" all the while spouting stuff anyone could copy and paste from multiple sources on the internet just so you can get clicks.

I guess with Jim Sterling for me he seems to mostly be a talking head. He addresses nearly every contrversy under the sun so i guess i do wonder what sort of weight i should give his opinion. Tbf though,i dont watch his videos bar the an odd one of the ones posted here. Mostly because id prefer to read someones opinion here than have to sit through a 20 minute video to get the point a poster is trying to make.

Robert ninja · 08-11-2019 1:25pm

Well well

https://twitter.com/WokeDudeBro/status/1192557593392242688?s=19

Chris_Heilong · 11-11-2019 1:15pm

^^^Integrity in games journalism is a Joke in its self. Was what gamer-gate started out as before all the other stuff got attached.

Retr0gamer · 11-11-2019 1:41pm

Correction: Gamergate started out as a means to harass a woman using the veil of integrity in games journalism. It was and never has been about integrity in games journalism.

Chris_Heilong · 11-11-2019 9:59pm

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Correction: Gamergate started out as a means to harass a woman using the veil of integrity in games journalism. It was and never has been about integrity in games journalism.

Ah come on, do not fall for that propaganda. Also do not read ideologically fueled content form the likes of kotaku and polygon. I was lucky enough to miss it and only researched it after the fact but after seeing what that women has done since possibly causing someone to commit suicide I would believe the rumors of what she did are true.

Retr0gamer · 11-11-2019 10:27pm

Here's some facts.

Apparently zoe quinn slept with a kotaku writer to get a favourable review.... for her game that kotaku never reviewed.

And even if she did sleep with someone well that's how non incel adults interact with people sometimes and there's nothing wrong with that. She was single at the.time. not her fault a creepy ex couldn't deal with it

That's if that even happened considering the accusations are flaky at best.

Rarely ever read kotaku or polygon. I just looked at the fall out from afar while facepalming and lamenting the state of videogame 'culture'. Or should I say man child culture.

As for the guy that committed suicide. It was a tragedy but by all.accounts he was a nasty piece of work and even his close friends and family don't deny what he is accused of which speaks volumes. She should be congratulated for speaking up about it

HorrorScope · 11-11-2019 10:38pm

Retr0gamer wrote: »

As for the guy that committed suicide. It was a tragedy but by all.accounts he was a nasty piece of work and even his close friends and family don't deny what he is accused of which speaks volumes. She should be congratulated for speaking up about it

Except her story is a load of made up bull****, there are screen grabs of twitter posts she made during the time she was supposedly being “kept against her will” by him in which she was freely moving about even posting compliments of working with him. She’s a disgusting piece of work and a grade a spoofer.

Retr0gamer · 12-11-2019 10:49am

HorrorScope wrote: »

Except her story is a load of made up bull****, there are screen grabs of twitter posts she made during the time she was supposedly being “kept against her will” by him in which she was freely moving about even posting compliments of working with him. She’s a disgusting piece of work and a grade a spoofer.

Except his Sister, of all people, and co-workers at the time pretty much corroborate her accounts.

But don't believe them, believe the neckbeards pulling quotes out of context from twitter to satiate their confirmation bias.

HorrorScope · 12-11-2019 12:49pm

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Except his Sister, of all people, and co-workers at the time pretty much corroborate her accounts.

But don't believe them, believe the neckbeards pulling quotes out of context from twitter to satiate their confirmation bias.

There’s nothing out of context if what is posted during the exact timeframe you are referring to directly contradicts your story and version of events. Zoe Quinn just needs to disappear, a desperate attention seeker whos lies drove a man to suicide.

He by all means sounds like he was a troubled and difficult person to work with but his coworkers and his own sister don’t exactly come away shining for throwing him under the bus either.

Shiminay · 12-11-2019 1:55pm

Gamergate in 3 sentences:

"SHE IS A BAD PERSON!"

"She has evidence and testimony from people who, by all rights, have a slew of reasons to be biased AGAINST her"

"SHE'S STILL THE PROBLEM!"

pixelburp · 12-11-2019 2:51pm

Oof. I'd forgotten that that hysterical jihad, masquerading as righteousness, was over one single person. I mean she seems a bit unlikeable, but Jesus Christ the histrionics over one slightly sketchy woman were a sight to behold. Imagine if that indignation had have been put to good, practical use. But soft targets are too easy for paper tigers.

Sonics2k · 12-11-2019 3:38pm

pixelburp wrote: »

Oof. I'd forgotten that that hysterical jihad, masquerading as righteousness, was over one single person. I mean she seems a bit unlikeable, but Jesus Christ the histrionics over one slightly sketchy woman were a sight to behold. Imagine if that indignation had have been put to good, practical use. But soft targets are too easy for paper tigers.

I think it didn't help she was/is a somewhat unlikable person, much like Sarkeesian.

The whole thing was an entire joke, and while honestly it did show a lot of 'bias' from certain media outlets, it was largely just an excuse to harrass Zoe Quinn herself.

Robert ninja · 12-11-2019 11:21pm

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Apparently zoe quinn slept with a kotaku writer to get a favourable review.... for her game that kotaku never reviewed

Positive coverage. Not reviews. Which she did receive multiple times from various journalists and outlets so you've got your facts wrong.

Retr0gamer wrote: »

And even if she did sleep with someone well that's how non incel adults interact with people sometimes and there's nothing wrong with that.

Nothing wrong with it... until you're covering the products of people you're sleeping with/personal relationship and have the tag of journalist to work. Also she didn't just sleep with 'someone'. It was 5 lads in the industry, 2 of whom worked for gaming journalist sites Kotaku and Rock Paper Shotgun, both of whom also released positive coverage of Zoe's products without disclosure to readers of the relationship (happened earlier in 2013 with a female, too): That's an advertisement and it's illegal to do that in some parts of the world. Many ethics policies were updated after the gamergate controversy. They've never apologised and people still reference these hacks and their buddies as sources of anti-gamergate rhetoric despite literally being involved balls deep figuratively and literally.

Retr0gamer wrote: »

That's if that even happened considering the accusations are flaky at best.

There's mountains of evidence showing she has extremely bad character traits and is a pathological liar. She's a self-labelled killer (almost definitely a lie) and rapist (by her own standards). The accusations that sparked gamergate were actually tame for her record and only a trigger for the wider issue. Most of gamergate is not about her or that situation: it was just the last straw and when Alec Baldwin coined the hashtag.

Retr0gamer wrote: »

I just looked at the fall out from afar while facepalming and lamenting the state of videogame 'culture'. Or should I say man child culture.

Yeah yeah we all know you hate gamers (and therefore yourself?) because incel, toxic masculinity man child baby crying alt-right white nazi blah blah blah blah <insert latest wrong-think buzzword>

Retr0gamer wrote: »

It was a tragedy but

But nothing. I'm convinced people like Quinn and the journo clique could probably commit a federal crime and anti-gamergate goons would still manage to convince themselves it ain't so bad. Just double down till the stars burn out.

Sonics2k wrote: »

The whole thing was an entire joke, and while honestly it did show a lot of 'bias' from certain media outlets, it was largely just an excuse to harass Zoe Quinn herself.

The people who received the most criticism (not much harassment actually happened) were men proven by the use of the gamergate hashtag (the only way it existed back then) and the FBI report which concluded the whole thing was a big nothing burger. Quinn was also shown to be doxing herself to continue the victim narrative which she milks for money to this day using crowd funding donations on important things like banned breast implant surgery.

johnny_ultimate · 13-11-2019 12:12am

Here’s the ‘positive coverage’ in question on Kotaku... a story about a failed reality show, written - by all accounts, including the disgruntled ex who started the whole sorry affair - before Grayson and Quinn had a romantic relationship: https://kotaku.com/the-indie-game-reality-tv-show-that-went-to-hell-1555599284

There’s also a Rock Paper Shotgun piece by Grayson referencing Depression Quest (literally three positive words about it), written several months before the above: https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2014/01/08/admission-quest-valve-greenlights-50-more-games/

GamerGate is a misogynistic harassment campaign / conservative culture war movement, where even the inciting incident is based on a farcical exaggeration and/or outright distortion of the facts.

Chris_Heilong · 13-11-2019 12:27am

How come it is only since gamer gate that "misogynists" who I am sure some here will go out of their way to describe them as "white and angry" suddenly came out of the woodwork? which just reeks of the overly progressive ideology that has swept the entertainment industry in America and has spilled into film, comics and games bringing the whole quality way down.

The same kind of phenomena suddenly appeared after Trump got into power, the media suddenly created a "white supremacist" problem in America.

I do not think these things are actually anywhere near as big a problem or widespread as the News would have you believe, It is instead a boogie man that the media has created in order to fool people to switch on or click on their outlets.

In regards to just gaming I do not want to know what my character's sexual preference, pronouns or politics are, these were never important in the past and IMO are still not important and have no place in gaming.

Robert ninja · 13-11-2019 2:43am

Be careful of people who insist gamer-gate is about harassment. Want to abuse women? Game journalism is definitely the way to go.

Matt Hickey: Fined point three million USD for running a fake porn agency to get laid.

Matt Hickey wrote:

#GamerGate is a bunch of women-hating future rapists!

Devin Faraci

Devin Faraci wrote:

The losers in #GamerGate are mad at women because women want nothing to do with them!

Devin Faraci wrote:

I have more respect for ISIS than the anti-Quinn people

Devin Faraci wrote:

GamerGate isn’t about ethics. It’s about stopping women from having voices, it’s about keeping progressive ideas out of games and it’s about attacking any kind of game that doesn’t fit the mainstream, shoot-em-up vision of video games these deeply emotionally stunted people have

Faraci had to apologise later for sexual assault.

Peter Bright whom often said things like kill all gamers and criticised anime for being for pedos was arrested for child sexual assault.

Peter Bright wrote:

there is no good faith interpretation of gamergate, because no part of it was ever in good faith. it wasn't a legitimate complainet cooped by bad guys; it was bad guys trying to give themselves a paper thin cover

Male feminist ally and Quinn associate Robert Marmolejo: Position: anti harassment

Robert Marmolejo wrote:

We need to take action against #GamerGate and the ideology that spawned it

Used his position to abuse 20 women

Jamie Killstein, another feminist

Jamie Killstein wrote:

#GamerGate is about sexism, not ethics.

Left his job after sexual misconduct claims

Juan Thompson: Made bomb threats to jewish sites

Juan Thompson wrote:

#GamerGate threatens and victimizes vulnerable marginalized groups.

Amazon's Izzy Galvez, anti-gamergate and anti-abuse specialist. Thanks to a gamergate operation is exposed as being a pro-doxing piece of shyte.

Sunil Patel, outspoken anti-gamergate author

Sunil Patel, wrote:

Gamers are dead, Gamergate is dead, what's next, ETHICS IN JOURNALISM IS DEAD

Apologises and is fired later for inappropriate behavior towards women.

Joss Whedon

Joss Whedon wrote:

Many good people think #GamerGate is about journalism & artistic freedom. That's like working at #KlanDayKare. The name means hate, guys.

His ex-wife: "hypocrite claiming feminist ideals": link. This brings an end to his fan site.

Sam Kriss (VICE) who accuses gamers as for being misogynist racist etc has to later apologizes to sexual assault victim. Also lives with his mom because lol muh basement.

Rupert Myers. Anti-gamergate. Journalist. You guessed it. Fired for sexual misconduct.

Matt Conn, anti-gamergate mouth piece. Notably hired Zoe Quinn and Jim Sterling for VA work. Quits after claims of theft, racist and sexual harassment. His replacement? Toni Rocca, another anti-gamergate freak who claims gg is misgonysts, nazis, transphobic etc etc. He/she/whatever also has to step down due to sexual harassment claims (and blackmail using trans-phobia allegations as leverage). Jeez they just can't get someone who isn't a disgusting degenerate for these anti-gamergate, anti-hate type organisations. :rolleyes:

And as I mentioned earlier Quinn's whole f*cking family apparently vacation at Epstein's rape Island. I wouldn't turn my back on any of the bug eyed weirdo screaming about muh gamers and lying about gamergate for years now.

Penn · 13-11-2019 7:23am

Bad people are bad people regardless of what side of a debate or 'left v right' they fall on.

pixelburp · 13-11-2019 9:51am

Shítbags are shítbags regardless of career or ideology, honestly that shouldn't even need saying, and reaching for whataboutery is weak. Doesn't change the reality that "gamergate" was a flaky excuse wrapped around a harassment campaign. That some attacking it were themselves dirtbirds doesn't negate, it's just poetic irony.

Of course, I'm sure being such paragons of ethics and nobility of conscience, these "campaigners" have moved on to other big social issues worth fighting. :pac: Especially journalism related issues, like fake news or Facebook? Right? Or maybe most have slunk back to their fora to rage against those SJWs putting women in their ww2 shooters... :rolleyes:

Robert ninja · 18-11-2019 1:19am

Richard Lewis recently put the mainstream game journalism industry on blast while accepting an award. Absolutely brilliant.
https://nichegamer.com/2019/11/17/esports-journalist-richard-lewis-calls-out-kotaku-polygon-and-waypoint-for-bad-reporting-gatekeeping/

The clip:
https://streamable.com/hf1pn#

Chris_Heilong · 19-11-2019 5:00pm

^^^I was about to post the same, fair play to him.

Here on youtube also,

Retr0gamer · 19-11-2019 6:02pm

So a gamergater who once called gamergate a 'consumer movement' (*snigger*) gets his 1 minute of fame.

ERG89 · 19-11-2019 6:19pm

I thought for a split second this was Richard Lewis of Curb your Enthusiasm fame.

johnny_ultimate · 19-11-2019 7:08pm

Grumpypants wrote: »

Hopefully, the Quartering makes 18 videos about a tweet to get me back on track.

Bumping this because this is too funny to not share. TheQuartering: Truly the world’s most easily dunkable man:

https://twitter.com/9_volt_/status/1196797843639541762?s=21

ERG89 · 19-11-2019 7:15pm

For the laugh I tried to watch that video just now but I turned it off when thequarterling began by advertising (ahem) manscaping products.

johnny_ultimate · 19-11-2019 7:18pm

ERG89 wrote: »

For the laugh I tried to watch that video just now but I turned it off when thequarterling began by advertising (ahem) manscaping products.

“Balls to this... UGH, NOT LITERALLY”

pixelburp · 19-11-2019 7:19pm

I don't want to ask, yet I must:, what on earth is "manscaping"?

Am wondering if perhaps Quartering is some long form, Stephen Colbert form of satire in actuality. That or he's just a shameless outrage peddler who knows how easily that nonsense sells on YT.

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