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07-02-2019, 13:38   #4831
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Are ye serious? He literally says "I get the point but..."
I understand what you're saying but why do you hate renewable energy so much? I don't see a single reference to solar power in your post and really it's about time more people understood it's the future.

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Edit: even the mods are at this. Do some fücking research lads.
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08-02-2019, 09:50   #4833
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I understand what you're saying but why do you hate renewable energy so much? I don't see a single reference to solar power in your post and really it's about time more people understood it's the future.

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Yes, yes, very glib. But you would have to be some kind of brainless idiot to think I hate renewable energy by taking one post that doesn't mention it out of context of a body of evidence that suggests otherwise. You wouldn't do that would you?
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08-02-2019, 10:16   #4834
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Yes, yes, very glib. But you would have to be some kind of brainless idiot to think I hate renewable energy by taking one post that doesn't mention it out of context of a body of evidence that suggests otherwise. You wouldn't do that would you?
I absolutely wouldn't which is why it would be very silly of me to try and use your supposed lack of appreciation for renewables to raise my own profile and attach myself to an unrelated issue. I guess later I could accept I realise you really do appreciate renewables after all but still leave my original objection more prominently displayed for potential voters.

I was actually more interested in the "Community not corridor" folks, I included Cuffe's just because I thought it was mildly funny and as another example of a poorly defined objection to the project. I saw numerous people including the NTA engaging with the community people trying to understand their objections but they point blank refused to explain any further and insist they need a full impact assessment before anything can proceed.

If everyone on every corridor objects and gets their way this won't even be started by 2027 let alone finished.
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If everyone on every corridor objects and gets their way this won't even be started by 2027 let alone finished
The engagement from NTA has been dire in my area and I fully expect the community to be up in arms ( Stoneybatter/NCR ) and very strong objections be lodged.

I happened to attend the local consultation re the Papal visit last year arranged at short notice because the operators did not engage with the locals, and it was utterly furious.

It looks as if there was a short notice meeting here as well but as usual no-one got the word, and so it will just be storing up pain for the NTA down the line.
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The engagement from NTA has been dire in my area and I fully expect the community to be up in arms ( Stoneybatter/NCR ) and very strong objections be lodged.

I happened to attend the local consultation re the Papal visit last year arranged at short notice because the operators did not engage with the locals, and it was utterly furious.

It looks as if there was a short notice meeting here as well but as usual no-one got the word, and so it will just be storing up pain for the NTA down the line.
NTA hosted the Stoneybatter community forum in the Aisling Hotel. Local groups were sharing it no end on facebook.
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I'm on three of them and there was nada .
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28-02-2019, 10:45   #4838
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More from the "Community not corridor" people, presumably the "success" in relation to metrolink means it's now considered easy to destroy infrastructure projects

https://www.thejournal.ie/bus-connec...515682-Feb2019

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She said: “This plan is ill thought out and unworkable. Alleged savings of seven to eight minutes commute time for an estimated €120 million can be achieved in different and cheaper ways. It will be a disaster for local communities, businesses and taxpayers. It will destroy local businesses, historical villages and local communities and will create chaos on every side road to town.”
Chaos and destruction of local business due to some bus lanes and bus priority.
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“She said: “This plan is ill thought out and unworkable. Alleged savings of seven to eight minutes commute time for an estimated €120 million can be achieved in different and cheaper ways. It will be a disaster for local communities, businesses and taxpayers. It will destroy local businesses, historical villages and local communities and will create chaos on every side road to town.”

If It’s so simple , then why isn’t she making a suggestion. The resident expert. Go ahead Love...
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More from the "Community not corridor" people, presumably the "success" in relation to metrolink means it's now considered easy to destroy infrastructure projects

https://www.thejournal.ie/bus-connec...515682-Feb2019



Chaos and destruction of local business due to some bus lanes and bus priority.
Jaysus, certain residents in rathgar really are trying there best to get transport infrastructure cancelled or delayed in Dublin. You’d almost begin to think the well to do residents of rathgar would be trying to get these projects tied up in court appeals and challenges. Sure who would that suit only solicitors and judges, who might live in well to do areas such as rathg.......surely not.
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28-02-2019, 11:02   #4841
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More from the "Community not corridor" people, presumably the "success" in relation to metrolink means it's now considered easy to destroy infrastructure projects

https://www.thejournal.ie/bus-connec...515682-Feb2019



Chaos and destruction of local business due to some bus lanes and bus priority.
Comments are universally anti-nimby though, a surprise for the journal. Goes to show the nimbies have almost 0 support.
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28-02-2019, 11:04   #4842
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“She said: “This plan is ill thought out and unworkable. Alleged savings of seven to eight minutes commute time for an estimated €120 million can be achieved in different and cheaper ways. It will be a disaster for local communities, businesses and taxpayers. It will destroy local businesses, historical villages and local communities and will create chaos on every side road to town.”

If It’s so simple , then why isn’t she making a suggestion. The resident expert. Go ahead Love...
Where's she going with 7 or 8 minutes? like if everyone said the same about their stretch of road, before you know it an hour doesnt matter.
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If It’s so simple , then why isn’t she making a suggestion. The resident expert. Go ahead Love...
I thought it might be the case where there was another article or even a tweet where they explained themselves more fully but there really doesn't seem to be anything out there in relation to these better/cheaper solutions.

The meeting of the Rathgar Residents Association on bus connects seemed to have a specific focus and it wasn't the health of public transport

https://www.rathgarresidentsassociat...tation-process

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Proposals for the Core Bus Corridors in phase two have been released and include the Rathfarnham to City Centre and Tallaght to Terenure routes which would run through Rathgar. These plans are proposals for public transport use of the road network and will have enormous impact on residents, commuters and business owners.

They do not analyse the impact on private and commercial vehicular traffic so it is really important that your voice is heard. Make your submissions and comments to cbc@busconnects.ie and contact us at info@rathgarresidentsassociation.ie with specific issues of concern. You may wish to look at Eamon Ryan's metro link proposal as an alternative approach to providing for fast efficient commuter transport in the South West of the city.
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28-02-2019, 11:16   #4844
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It's like the Brexit approach of "alternative arrangements" for the backstop, these are never clarified and just left to hang in the ether - more magical thinking by the NIMBYS WHO ALREADY HAVE A 4 LANE ROAD going through their area, all that's being proposed is a re-prioritisation of who gets to use the road, it will lead to a reduction in traffic.
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I said this months ago, I'll say it again..

This will never happen, or be so cut down or compromised on that it'll defeat the point and/or make things worse than they are now.

Outside of specialist forums like this, people don't value public transport that highly in general but buses in particular. A bit like renting, it's seen as the choice for those with no better options. Thus there's no real investment, no priority, no consistency or long term strategy because any attempts to do so are met by the types who demand their semi-D in the suburbs with garden and parking for their 191 SUV above all else.

We need to start accepting reality and work with what we have - the city is choked by huge volumes of traffic coming in from the surrounding counties and clogging the M50. That's where the focus needs to be seeing as the big employers aren't going to move to the likes of Athlone. Again as I've said before, we need massive P&R facilities with a luas/DART running parallel to the M50 and hubs to local services at the main junctions - M1, M3, N4, N7, N11 - along with looking at upgrading some of the link roads between the M3-M4-M7 (an outer half M50).

Anything else is just wasting time, money and effort - especially with local and probably national elections on the not too distant horizon.
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