F1 2019 - Round 13 Belgium

Rossi IRL · 01-09-2019 3:37pm

What happened Norris

Cool_CM · 01-09-2019 3:37pm

Come on Charles - ****ing delighted for him!

This is it · 01-09-2019 3:37pm

Yes!!!!!! So happy for him!

Cool_CM · 01-09-2019 3:38pm

Disaster for Lando!

deafroadrunner · 01-09-2019 3:38pm

My f**king nerves. YESSSSS!!!!!

Faugheen · 01-09-2019 3:38pm

LANDO STOPPED

This is it · 01-09-2019 3:39pm

Aw Norris

lolie · 01-09-2019 3:40pm

Jordan 199 wrote: »

Blast from the past there lolie.

That was to close for comfort.
Well deserved win for Charles

Darkglasses · 01-09-2019 3:40pm

Christ Lando nooooooooooooo

Did find that hard to watch. Great race and great result but such a sad weekend.

skipper_G · 01-09-2019 3:40pm

So much happened at the end, Giovinazzi in the barrier, Norris stopped on track, Albon got passed Perez and Leclerc held off Hamilton. First win of many for Leclerc. A difficult day in light of yesterday's tragedy but that was a great display of racing

Faugheen · 01-09-2019 3:41pm

That was great. Hamilton showing just how good he can be and LeClerc holding his nerve finally.

Albon with a great drive. Hulkenberg as well.

Feel really bad for Lando and Giovanazzi who both did really well in their own right.

Inviere · 01-09-2019 3:41pm

Charles is a fooking class act.

flazio · 01-09-2019 3:43pm

Vettel must be thinking whether it's worth it anymore.

Inviere · 01-09-2019 3:44pm

flazio wrote: »

Vettel must be thinking whether it's worth it anymore.

A quick look at a Ferrari pay slip will answer that one. He is probably wondering though if Ferrari is where to be to win a championship though....

Cool_CM · 01-09-2019 3:46pm

That was a big impact for Giovinazzi

Joeface · 01-09-2019 3:51pm

Great for Charles L, entertaining race again.

Disaster for Haas and Renault again really and real unlucky for McLaren.

I was impressed with the pace of the Toro Rosso in race , good result for them , are they 5 in constructors now ?

Good drive from Albon in the second half of the race , nice he gots so far up in the
points starting at the back .

recyclebin · 01-09-2019 4:02pm

Switched to the GAA at the chequered flag. What happened Norris. Saw he had pulled in at side of track.

skipper_G · 01-09-2019 4:19pm

recyclebin wrote: »

Switched to the GAA at the chequered flag. What happened Norris. Saw he had pulled in at side of track.

Probably a power unit failure, looked like it just cut out

This is it · 01-09-2019 4:23pm

It's funny, all the giving out I was doing about leaving LeClerc out too long, if he had come in a few laps earlier you'd think Hamilton would have caught and passed him with the extra deterioration in tyres.

skipper_G · 01-09-2019 4:30pm

A word on Albon, I think he showed very well today in the end. He was decisive in his overtakes. Really interested to see how he gets on in a race without grid penalties

This is it · 01-09-2019 4:32pm

skipper_G wrote: »

A word on Albon, I think he showed very well today in the end. He was decisive in his overtakes. Really interested to see how he gets on in a race without grid penalties

Some brilliant moves throughout the race, really enjoyed watching him

flazio · 01-09-2019 4:37pm

recyclebin wrote: »

Switched to the GAA at the chequered flag. What happened Norris. Saw he had pulled in at side of track.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYiSUB4_POQ

deafroadrunner · 01-09-2019 6:30pm

Delighted for charles. He's a potential world champion. Lando was unlucky to not finisg. Albion had a great race. Made plenty of move over takes. Hass were useless today. Somebody made the point that could look at it and try an found a way out. I think he'll give it 2 more years

recyclebin · 01-09-2019 8:31pm

Just saw what happened on the final lap. Albon was brave on the grass overtaking Perez. 5th place is a solid start in a new car. I wonder will he put it up to Max over time?

I'm off to Monza next weekend. Can't wait \o/. Could be a wet race too.

weekaizer · 01-09-2019 8:51pm

Just a thought I had when I seen lando Norris stopping after the start finish line... I wonder had he stopped just before the line and leclerc passed him as he takes the Chequers flag would he have been technically lapped and then he could have freewheeled over the line as there is a slight incline on that straight?. I know he didn’t really have time to think all on the spot but technically wouldn’t he have been classified in p5 or p6 worst case scenario if he got passed by Albon.

AMKC · 01-09-2019 9:21pm

Only just finished watching the highlights on C4. Have to say that was a really good race. There used to be a time when I was happy to see Max out but have to say that it was a pity he ended up going out today. Would have been interesting to see if he could have got by the Mercs.

Delighted for Charles and it was only right he won today. I thought Ferrari messed up there strategy with Vettel. He should really have got second.

chicorytip · 01-09-2019 10:48pm

What an indignity for the four time world champion being ordered to let the junior through. It was a moment that could represent a watershed in Vettel's career. It's certain he will never fulfill his ambition to win a title with the Scuderia. He may still be ahead of Leclerc on points but his performance this weekend must raise doubts about his future in the sport beyond the end of his contract next year.

This is it · 01-09-2019 10:52pm

chicorytip wrote: »

What an indignity for the four time world champion being ordered to let the junior through. It was a moment that could represent a watershed in Vettel's career. It's certain he will never fulfill his ambition to win a title with the Scuderia. He may still be ahead of Leclerc on points but his performance this weekend must raise doubts about his future in the sport beyond the end of his contract next year.

The alternative was they race, Charles would definitely have caught him, and there's huge potential for a crash or for Hamilton and Bottas to take them both. The only reason LeClerc finished first is Vettel held up Hamilton, those couple of seconds were vital for Ferrari

Jordan 199 · 01-09-2019 11:28pm

Top Dog · 02-09-2019 12:34am

Why isn't Seb in the photo considering he contributed to the win also?

Jeff2 · 02-09-2019 1:05am

recyclebin wrote: »

Switched to the GAA at the chequered flag. What happened Norris. Saw he had pulled in at side of track.

He came in 11th after a great run to be 5th most of the race.

vectra · 02-09-2019 1:35am

AMKC wrote: »

Only just finished watching the highlights on C4. Have to say that was a really good race. There used to be a time when I was happy to see Max out but have to say that it was a pity he ended up going out today. Would have been interesting to see if he could have got by the Mercs.

Delighted for Charles and it was only right he won today. I thought Ferrari messed up there strategy with Vettel. He should really have got second.

I was glad Max was first out today. He still needs to learn the lesson that the race is not won on the first corner.

Delighted for Charles though.

Burkie1203 · 02-09-2019 8:31am

vectra wrote: »

I was glad Max was first out today. He still needs to learn the lesson that the race is not won on the first corner.

Delighted for Charles though.

21 consecutive top 5 finishes. Think he learned that. Just made a mistake today

H3llR4iser · 02-09-2019 9:39am

AMKC wrote: »

Only just finished watching the highlights on C4. Have to say that was a really good race. There used to be a time when I was happy to see Max out but have to say that it was a pity he ended up going out today. Would have been interesting to see if he could have got by the Mercs.

Delighted for Charles and it was only right he won today. I thought Ferrari messed up there strategy with Vettel. He should really have got second.

Only real way to manage it if you look at the evolution of the cars - the Ferrari chewed up it's tires. Whomever was in 2nd would've needed to play roadblock for a while; "luckily" it was Seb, otherwise people would never shut up about the team "screwing Leclerc up" or "favoritism" - just like many did after the first round of stops.

Hoping Vettel could finish on mediums at the stage he pitted was wishful thinking at best. Let's be very clear here - Ferrari came within a lap of throwing another win to the wind, but this time they managed.

It's ALWAYS good to see Max out, if anything to piss the "orange crowd" off

vectra · 02-09-2019 9:45am

Burkie1203 wrote: »

21 consecutive top 5 finishes. Think he learned that. Just made a mistake today

Mistake!!:eek:

He got a bad start, was well behind Kimi and Perez and decided to either Barge through or take a chance. None of those choices are a mistake. It was a typical Max move. No excuse.

flazio · 02-09-2019 10:23am

vectra wrote: »

Mistake!!:eek:

He got a bad start, was well behind Kimi and Perez and decided to either Barge through or take a chance. None of those choices are a mistake. It was a typical Max move. No excuse.

Show me another move in the past 12 months you'd chalk as a "typical Mad Max move"?
Karun Chandok made an interesting observation recently, Monaco last year, Max bins it after the swimming pool in FP3, ruins qualifying, ruins his race. Next stop Canada and Karun spots a difference in his driving style, he's much less aggressive and a lot smoother and has been ever since.
Let's not forget the driver many believed to be the best on the grid, Fernando Alonso caused a similar accident last year.
Max is either the best or second best driver on the grid right now depending on how you view Leclerc and or Hamilton. He's box office material and will continue to be for years to come.

vectra · 02-09-2019 10:28am

flazio wrote: »

Show me another move in the past 12 months you'd chalk as a "typical Mad Max move"?
Karun Chandok made an interesting observation recently, Monaco last year, Max bins it after the swimming pool in FP3, ruins qualifying, ruins his race. Next stop Canada and Karun spots a difference in his driving style, he's much less aggressive and a lot smoother and h
as been ever since.
Let's not forget the driver many believed to be the best on the grid, Fernando Alonso caused a similar accident last year.
Max is either the best or second best driver on the grid right now depending on how you view Leclerc and or Hamilton. He's box office material and will continue to be for years to come.

We are not discussing the past 12 months,
We are discussing yesterdays race.

flazio · 02-09-2019 10:32am

vectra wrote: »

We are not discussing the past 12 months,
We are discussing yesterdays race.

But you can only have a "typical" move if your comparing it to other instances.
Drivers aren't stuck with instincts to do the wrong thing for the entirely of their racing career. They learn, adapt and change.

Joeface · 02-09-2019 10:38am

All you can Take from Max's start yesterday is it was poor take off from him again , he has done that twice this year prior and came out on top. So he does/or should know not to be rash , It didnt look like a lunge or anything it just looked like bad positioning but thats not the first time at Spa he has got caught on the inside . He got his punishment he was out of the race. Kimi on the other hand had his car wrecked and lucky to not end up on his head.

Question for up and coming race in Monza , if the Ferrari eats tyres like it did this weekend in the race , Monza is just a flat out top speed wins pole kinda lap what can they do in the race to keep Mercedes and possible 2 very fast Honda's behind both seem to be better on tyres than Ferrari.

vectra · 02-09-2019 10:43am

flazio wrote: »

But you can only have a "typical" move if your comparing it to other instances.
Drivers aren't stuck with instincts to do the wrong thing for the entirely of their racing career. They learn, adapt and change.

Most do learn,adapt and change. But apparently Max has not got there fully just yet, Have you forgotten how he was before those "magical 12 months" you point out?

H3llR4iser · 02-09-2019 11:01am

Joeface wrote: »

Question for up and coming race in Monza , if the Ferrari eats tyres like it did this weekend in the race , Monza is just a flat out top speed wins pole kinda lap what can they do in the race to keep Mercedes and possible 2 very fast Honda's behind both seem to be better on tyres than Ferrari.

THEORETICALLY Monza should be much less demanding on the tires than Spa, as the only corner with considerable levels of lateral load is the Parabolica; The main risk for tire management there usually takes the form of lockups going into the chicane at the end of the main straight - a flatspot can definitely ruin your race.

It should be the one race where Ferrari can take a relatively comfortable 1-2 this season, my money would be on Vettel this time around, but as we've seen - never discount Ferrari's pitwall ability to throw great performances away!

quokula · 02-09-2019 11:16am

Just reading the Autosport article about how Leclerc is cemented as the Ferrari number 1 now, wtf

Vettel is ahead in the championship and has been the faster of the two drivers in all but 3 races - exactly the same hit rate as Bottas vs Hamilton.

It was a good win but people are really getting carried away (as they do every time there's been a hint of him being competitive with Vettel)

mickdw · 02-09-2019 11:45am

6 quali in a row for leClerc.
Robbed of a couple of race wins, a win yesterday.
Vettel is yesterdays man. Why not back the new star.

Joeface · 02-09-2019 12:31pm

its not just backing the new man , Ferrari need a real strategy specialist . It seemed to work to save the win yesterday but they should have been able muster a double poduim finish . and it is one of the areas they have been most lacking over the course of the season .

Joeface · 02-09-2019 1:38pm

Just read None of the redbulls or the Toro Rosso ran the new Honda engine in the race .
That makes the result they got much better

quokula · 02-09-2019 1:49pm

mickdw wrote: »

6 quali in a row for leClerc.
Robbed of a couple of race wins, a win yesterday.
Vettel is yesterdays man. Why not back the new star.

Like I said, those three races you refer to make up 3 out of the 13 races. Bottas has a similar record against Hamilton. Vettel has been consistently the better driver otherwise.

Leclerc has had a decent run in qualy, but Vettel also suffered reliability issues in some of those sessions, and in most cases has got ahead in the race, even including the time he started at the back of the grid because his car wasn't able to start a lap in qualifying. The championship standings show who's been on top pretty clearly.

vectra · 02-09-2019 3:07pm

mickdw wrote: »

6 quali in a row for leClerc.
Robbed of a couple of race wins, a win yesterday.
Vettel is yesterdays man. Why not back the new star.

I wouldn't say that just yet.

H3llR4iser · 02-09-2019 4:21pm

mickdw wrote: »

6 quali in a row for leClerc.
Robbed of a couple of race wins, a win yesterday.
Vettel is yesterdays man. Why not back the new star.

Or maybe Leclerc is quite something, and Ferrari have two drivers capable of winning the championship IF the team:

- Delivered a competitive car
- kept it competitive the whole year and didn't slip in the development race (see 2017, 2018)
- Didn't keep making strategy blunders

Vettel has more points than Leclerc because he's been more effective on raceday - there are no points awarded on Saturdays.

Yesterday was the first time Seb was having worse tire management than Charles; Also, while it's true Leclerc should have won at least two races before yesterday, the same could be said about Vettel - without the issues in qualifying in Germany and Austria, he could very well have been winning those.

Considering why all of the above hasn't happened - in three words, Ferrari screwing up, it's safe to say drivers are the last of their concerns at the moment.

HighLine · 02-09-2019 6:42pm

Could watch this all day (turn up sound). Shame they didn't show more of it during the live broadcast.

https://twitter.com/Insidef1/status/1168532431118299137

flazio · 02-09-2019 8:33pm

Turn up sound? With David Croft yapping all over it? No thanks.
But it is a cool angle.

F1 2019 - Round 13 Belgium

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