Rugby World Cup 2019 Japan The hunt for Webb Ellis

PTH2009 · 19-07-2019 12:37am

Whatever about England we could struggle in our group if we play like we did in the 6 nations

Scotland will cause us trouble and we have to play the hosts straight after it

Imagine losing our first 2 games and the last 2 will mean **** all

joseywhales · 19-07-2019 3:34am

PTH2009 wrote: »

Whatever about England we could struggle in our group if we play like we did in the 6 nations

Scotland will cause us trouble and we have to play the hosts straight after it

Imagine losing our first 2 games and the last 2 will mean **** all

I was very nervous but I've had a bit of time to lose the anxiety, even if we don't improve on the six nation's we will probably win the group. But honestly I think we let loose, there should be able to click into a tournament mentality after a couple of wins. I think if we do beat South Africa we will have nothing left, the most attritional game since France 2015.

joseywhales · 19-07-2019 3:35am

PTH2009 wrote: »

Whatever about England we could struggle in our group if we play like we did in the 6 nations

Scotland will cause us trouble and we have to play the hosts straight after it

Imagine losing our first 2 games and the last 2 will mean **** all

I was very nervous but I've had a bit of time to lose the anxiety, even if we don't improve on the six nation's we will probably win the group. But honestly I think we let loose, they should be able to click into a tournament mentality after a couple of wins. I think if we do beat South Africa we will have nothing left, the most attritional game since France 2015.

Podge_irl · 19-07-2019 8:49am

PTH2009 wrote: »

Whatever about England we could struggle in our group if we play like we did in the 6 nations

We beat Scotland by 9 points in Murrayfield.

So no.

KBurke85 · 19-07-2019 2:23pm

Referee Appointments have been announced.

v Scotland Wayne Barnes
V Japan Angus Gardner
V Russia Jerome Garces
V Samoa Nic Berry

sydthebeat · 19-07-2019 2:34pm

good

Yeah_Right · 19-07-2019 3:12pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Welcome aboard!

Excellent. I assume that my primary role at the company will be explaining to your staff what its like when your team wins a knock out game at a RWC. The emotions, the euphoria. How to deal with the joy of victory without rubbing it in the loser's face. How to get yourself through the week with such a massive game coming up the following weekend. That sort of stuff.

touts · 19-07-2019 4:50pm

KBurke85 wrote: »

Referee Appointments have been announced.

v Scotland Wayne Barnes
V Japan Angus Gardner
V Russia Jerome Garces
V Samoa Nic Berry

Ah bollox! Barnes for the Scotland game of all games??

sydthebeat · 19-07-2019 5:12pm

touts wrote: »

Ah bollox! Barnes for the Scotland game of all games??

yeah terrible... getting the current best ref in the world for our toughest pool game......

andymx11 · 19-07-2019 5:13pm

touts wrote: »

Ah bollox! Barnes for the Scotland game of all games??

I don’t see an issue with having arguably the current best ref in the world.

bilston · 19-07-2019 5:20pm

touts wrote: »

Ah bollox! Barnes for the Scotland game of all games??

I think this must be a post from 2011!

Barnes is an excellent referee these days.

Burkie1203 · 19-07-2019 9:57pm

touts wrote: »

Ah bollox! Barnes for the Scotland game of all games??

That's a great appointment for us

jr86 · 20-07-2019 1:48pm

Just looking at the odds and unsurprisingly NZ are completely un-backable favourites. Couldn't disagree with that in fairness

Bookies unsure as to who's best of the rest with England, Wales, Ireland and SA pretty similar in the betting. No-one else is given a prayer

If England were to come second in a tricky pool, one half of the draw could see those 4 in it, with NZ on the other half. Very little separating all of England, Wales, SA and Ireland so that would be fascinating. If Argentina come second it would still be very interesting and that would leave a probable NZ and England semi.

Anyway a long way to go till that.

Just looking at the Pools, a lot will depend on the timing of matches.

Some games which could be interesting though imo:

Japan v Ireland - Japan likely coming in on the back of a handy, confidence boosting win v Russia and Ireland after a 6 day turn-around after Scotland.

France v Argentina - first game up for France surely that'd be their best chance of putting in a performance? Recently in the 6n they seem to perform well in the first match. Wouldn't amaze me if they snuck this

Australia v Fiji - First game up for Fiji, squad depth shouldn't be an issue for them and they'll be raring to go

Given the timing of matches I find it difficult enough to see any other potential upsets. There's usually one or two though

joseywhales · 22-07-2019 4:13pm

I'm reaching a point where I'm not sure if I prefer SA or NZ in the qtrs. We may look back on the fond memories of facing Argentina in knock out games, lol

mfceiling · 22-07-2019 6:59pm

I've to meet a specialist in a couple of weeks to see about getting a hernia operation done.
Going private so I reckon if I got it done a few days before the opening game then the 6 weeks recovery time (no work during this period) could work out just fine.

Clegg · 22-07-2019 7:06pm

Cipriani has been left out of England's latest WC training squad. It's a 12 day training period in Treviso and he's still amongst the wider panel and will be training with Gloucester for that period. But you'd have to imagine that he's not going to Japan now

jr86 · 23-07-2019 11:57am

Clegg wrote: »

Cipriani has been left out of England's latest WC training squad. It's a 12 day training period in Treviso and he's still amongst the wider panel and will be training with Gloucester for that period. But you'd have to imagine that he's not going to Japan now

Think he'll require a few injuries to make it at this stage

i wonder will Marler force his way to 2nd choice LH by the tournament?

RugbyLover123 · 23-07-2019 12:41pm

jr86 wrote: »

Think he'll require a few injuries to make it at this stage

i wonder will Marler force his way to 2nd choice LH by the tournament?

What’s peoples thoughts on Marler ‘coming out of retirement’? Seems to me he wasn’t arsed with the effort and time required for the 6 nations/Autumn Internationals despite missing out on the pay when he knew he could just walk into the WC squad.

Seems like a very odd character from the podcasts I’ve heard him on. Seems like its impossible to get a straight answer out of him.

Squidgy Black · 23-07-2019 1:02pm

RugbyLover123 wrote: »

What’s peoples thoughts on Marler ‘coming out of retirement’? Seems to me he wasn’t arsed with the effort and time required for the 6 nations/Autumn Internationals despite missing out on the pay when he knew he could just walk into the WC squad.

Seems like a very odd character from the podcasts I’ve heard him on. Seems like its impossible to get a straight answer out of him.

He made it pretty clear that he was doing it because of family reasons, he has two young kids under the age of 5. English training camps are fairly intense and they're not like the Irish ones which are only a couple hours drive away at most for a lot of the players.

He wasn't a lock for the RWC squad at all, if it wasn't for Mako's surgery he probably wouldn't have been called up.

sydthebeat · 23-07-2019 2:01pm

RugbyLover123 wrote: »

What’s peoples thoughts on Marler ‘coming out of retirement’? Seems to me he wasn’t arsed with the effort and time required for the 6 nations/Autumn Internationals despite missing out on the pay when he knew he could just walk into the WC squad.

Seems like a very odd character from the podcasts I’ve heard him on. Seems like its impossible to get a straight answer out of him.

that wouldnt be my reading of him at all.... he seems like a good family man who wasnt willing to miss his kids growing up by being away so much with England. he also didnt exactly see eye to eye to eddie jones either.

and it was Eddie who made the "come back Joe we need" you call...

i think hes great, very intelligent and funny, and he'll have a chance at a TV career after if he wants.

Eod100 · 23-07-2019 3:15pm

Samoa down a player before RWC. https://twitter.com/Murray_Kinsella/status/1153669116290633728?s=19

Exclamation Marc · 25-07-2019 11:52pm

September 21 (Day 2) of the World Cup looks an unreal day although I'll likely sleep through the first game.

5.45am Australia v Fiji
8.45am France v Argentina
10.45am New Zealand v South Africa

October 12 is a decent day too with
5.45am New Zealand v Italy
9.15am England v France
11.45am Ireland v Samoa

PTH2009 · 26-07-2019 12:18am

All blacks vs Wales final I think

feargale · 26-07-2019 7:25pm

Eod100 wrote: »

Samoa down a player before RWC. https://twitter.com/Murray_Kinsella/status/1153669116290633728?s=19

Anyone who opts out when his country needs him should get a kick in the arse. But Samoa seem to be in a fallow period.

Squidgy Black · 26-07-2019 7:37pm

feargale wrote: »

Anyone who opts out when his country needs him should get a kick in the arse. But Samoa seem to be in a fallow period.

It's more any club trying to twist a players arm by telling him his livelihood is at risk if he goes to the world cup needs a kick in the arse.

A lot of the Pacific nations players are from poor backgrounds and are being told by clubs that if they go to the world cup and play for their country they'll be at risk when it comes to contract renewal time. They don't get paid by their home nation for playing also, and likely have a large family or in some cases an entire village to support financially back home.

sydthebeat · 26-07-2019 7:50pm

feargale wrote: »

Anyone who opts out when his country needs him should get a kick in the arse. But Samoa seem to be in a fallow period.

The choice given to these players is basically retire from international rugby, or we as a club will pay you peanuts

Exclamation Marc · 27-07-2019 11:27am

Brodie Retallick looked in a bad way after today's game. Reported dislocated shoulder and he's off to hospital.

Could be a huge loss for New Zealand if its as feared and he could face a good few months out depending on severity.

thomond2006 · 01-08-2019 4:02pm

Toby Faletau ruled of the RWC because of an injury in training. That's a sickener for Wales.

Exclamation Marc · 01-08-2019 4:31pm

thomond2006 wrote: »

Toby Faletau ruled of the RWC because of an injury in training. That's a sickener for Wales.

Ooof that's an awful loss for them.

sydthebeat · 01-08-2019 4:33pm

thomond2006 wrote: »

Toby Faletau ruled of the RWC because of an injury in training. That's a sickener for Wales.

wow thats a major hit to them

Burkie1203 · 01-08-2019 5:24pm

Warburton SOB Faletau

Such a sad state of affairs

AbusesToilets · 01-08-2019 6:33pm

Burkie1203 wrote: »

Warburton SOB Faletau

Such a sad state of affairs

Close to an all time great world back row

PTH2009 · 02-08-2019 8:20am

Wales will still be strong and lucky they have a below par Australia in there group and one of Eng/France or Argentina in the QFs

Cant wait for the world cup

stephen_n · 02-08-2019 9:48am

If NZ & SA draw that opening match, it will make for a very interesting pool. Could potentially mean that every game played in the group matters.

stephen_n · 02-08-2019 9:51am

Faletau is a great loss as a player, but in terms of Wales they have barely had him for the last 18 months. So I’m not sure how big a loss he will be. Obviously having your best players fit is important. Though they have prepared without him in effect.

Paleface · 02-08-2019 10:56am

Wales have been very lucky on the injury front so far this year.

Apart from the Italy game when Gatland rotated on purpose, they basically had the same starting 15 in every game. The law of averages would suggest that that cannot last.

thebaz · 03-08-2019 11:50am

Squidgy Black wrote: »

It's more any club trying to twist a players arm by telling him his livelihood is at risk if he goes to the world cup needs a kick in the arse.

A lot of the Pacific nations players are from poor backgrounds and are being told by clubs that if they go to the world cup and play for their country they'll be at risk when it comes to contract renewal time.

Shame on such French clubs and ther Union, they have already ruined the quality of its own national team with ther greed driven schedule , and pilfered some of the best from the Islanders and then tell some not to play for ther country , is any wonder the game fails to grow in developing nations ?

Cookiemunster · 03-08-2019 12:02pm

thebaz wrote: »

Shame on such French clubs and ther Union, they have already ruined the quality of its own national team with ther greed driven schedule , and pilfered some of the best from the Islanders and then tell some not to play for ther country , is any wonder the game fails to grow in developing nations ?

This is nothing new. It's happened before the last 2 or 3 world cups too. Although whatever about the clubs, I'm not sure you can blame the FFR here. World Rugby need to bring in a rule like FIFA have stopping players who refuse to play for their country playing for their clubs.

thebaz · 03-08-2019 12:07pm

Cookiemunster wrote: »

This is nothing new. It's happened before the last 2 or 3 world cups too. Although whatever about the clubs, I'm not sure you can blame the FFR here. World Rugby need to bring in a rule like FIFA have stopping players who refuse to play for their country playing for their clubs.

obviously the greed is driven by the clubs , but it is happening under the Unions watch , they should be ther to enforce fairness

Cookiemunster · 03-08-2019 3:02pm

thebaz wrote: »

obviously the greed is driven by the clubs , but it is happening under the Unions watch , they should be ther to enforce fairness

Again it's World Rugbys job to ensure that this doesn't happen, not the FFRs. A simple law change saying that you can't play for your club during the world cup if you turn down a call up or your club refuses to release you resolves the issue. It works in football, it can work in rugby and it would put manners on the LNR and PRL.

NeonWolf · 03-08-2019 5:35pm

ill be in london for the entirity of the tournament. Where is a good place to watch the games that serves daddy sodas at that hour of the day?

stephen_n · 03-08-2019 6:28pm

Cookiemunster wrote: »

Again it's World Rugbys job to ensure that this doesn't happen, not the FFRs. A simple law change saying that you can't play for your club during the world cup if you turn down a call up or your club refuses to release you resolves the issue. It works in football, it can work in rugby and it would put manners on the LNR and PRL.

In most of these cases they just announce their retirement from International right. Nobody can be forced to make themselves available to play for their country.

Eod100 · 04-08-2019 12:12pm

Interesting graph here. Surprised SA have sp few rest days

andymx11 · 04-08-2019 2:17pm

I just saw the attached on Twitter. Some teams have a 3 day turnaround - is that normal?

Eod100 · 04-08-2019 2:18pm

andymx11 wrote: »

I just saw the attached on Twitter. Some teams have a 3 day turnaround - is that normal?

That's what I was trying to link to but forgot link!

andymx11 · 04-08-2019 2:21pm

Eod100 wrote: »

That's what I was trying to link to but forgot link!

So I win ?

stephen_n · 04-08-2019 2:32pm

So we are the only team in our group who doesn’t. Canada, Fiji and Tonga all have it twice, that’s rough.

Jump_In_Jack · 04-08-2019 2:50pm

stephen_n wrote: »

So we are the only team in our group who doesn’t. Canada, Fiji and Tonga all have it twice, that’s rough.

Sorry, could you explain that post please?

What is it that we don’t have that those teams have twice?

Exclamation Marc · 04-08-2019 5:10pm

Are Australia and Tonga based on the moon or something?

Seem to be near nothing.

stephen_n · 04-08-2019 7:35pm

Jump_In_Jack wrote: »

Sorry, could you explain that post please?

What is it that we don’t have that those teams have twice?

3 day turnarounds for games.

Rugby World Cup 2019 Japan The hunt for Webb Ellis

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