Grain price.

sheebadog · 20-06-2014 9:36pm

GRASSorMUCK wrote: »

Don't know much of maize being honest, other than AD plants fall over them selves for ground and pump lots of inputs into it also! Few farms tried to grow it but just often too late to harvest or not enough heat for grain maize.. bit like me considering soya or lupins and other exotic spring crops plenty would say. :rolleyes: Would be nice if all crops could be so predictable as that, what kind of yields do you get?

One of the few good things we have here is we have good grainstores, at significant cost mind.

Yields of grain maize irrigated = 12 to 14 tons/ha.

Grain maize non irrigated = 2 to 9 tons/ha.
These yields are corrected to 14% moisture.
I am growing soya but it's a thirsty crop requiring close on 150mm of water. Yielding ~ 4.6tons/ha.

GRASSorMUCK · 20-06-2014 10:18pm

sheebadog wrote: »

Yields of grain maize irrigated = 12 to 14 tons/ha.

Grain maize non irrigated = 2 to 9 tons/ha.
These yields are corrected to 14% moisture.
I am growing soya but it's a thirsty crop requiring close on 150mm of water. Yielding ~ 4.6tons/ha.

1500mm or 150mm? for soya :eek: have very moisture retentive soil here mainly. Know some farms on the Norfolk Brecks that irrigate cereals, mind thay already have pipes set in for veg and spuds... what would cost per m3 be or do yo irrigate?
Have been reading up on agronomy some, for soya
-sow mid-april
-pre-em with linuron, post em for broadleaf/grass weeds( :rolleyes: )
-any fungicide/pesticide?

rangler1 · 20-06-2014 11:07pm

Lambofdave wrote: »

And yet the IFA still have made no headway why? And does tillage sheep and so on even get a min at the national exec.
I don't listen to pub talk. But I don't also believe half the IFA says, considering what the last president said to me.

We just get a report on what each committee is doing and then questions. the beef report and questions seems to drag on a bit for the last few months especially as I'm a sheep farmer.
There's a thirty strong committee for each enterprise, its up to them to look after the day to day problems, so it'd be grain farmers going meeting merchants on grain business, merchants don't like us encouraging farm to farm trading of grain.
No one is going to change the beef situation, ie lack of demand and over supply, but there is exports now, driven by low prices probably and another ferry drawing livestock;....it al helps

sheebadog · 20-06-2014 11:18pm

GRASSorMUCK wrote: »

1500mm or 150mm? for soya :eek: have very moisture retentive soil here mainly. Know some farms on the Norfolk Brecks that irrigate cereals, mind thay already have pipes set in for veg and spuds... what would cost per m3 be or do yo irrigate?
Have been reading up on agronomy some, for soya
-sow mid-april
-pre-em with linuron, post em for broadleaf/grass weeds( :rolleyes: )
-any fungicide/pesticide?

150mm of water minimum. No fungicide or pesticide. It's not the cost of water, it's the availability

sheebadog · 20-06-2014 11:20pm

Please keep me posted on the soya. Thanks.

Milked out · 21-06-2014 7:58am

Would many grain men have facilities to store grain?, with talks of this el nina weather event in the Pacific having an effect on the Aussie crops and possibly the yanks next year prices may rise later in the year? bills still have to be paid also I guess

GRASSorMUCK · 21-06-2014 10:03am

Milked out wrote: »

Would many grain men have facilities to store grain?, with talks of this el nina weather event in the Pacific having an effect on the Aussie crops and possibly the yanks next year prices may rise later in the year? bills still have to be paid also I guess

No, but you can get some merchants that will store it, at a cost...
Shoe string example id us if not wanting to spend silly money on a nce cleaner continuos flow set-up on nice flat stores piled high with pedistals etc..:rolleyes:
Once grain is below 15.5%-15% not hard to keep, if a large heap put a few perforated drain pipes in tape up the top 1/2 or so and use a probe to check for heat/moisture once a week or so, KEEP THE TOP LEVEL OR HEAT OCCUR IN PEAKS, anythng above 14degree id get worried but first when grain goes in it will be up around 20degree room temp... and needs to be brought down to 10. invest in a lishman main blower fan, and a smaller screw in type for hot spots.(others are available)
http://www.martinlishman.com/agricultural/home/professional-crop-storage-systems/pile-dry-pedestals-and-fans/
or else if does start heating will have to keep heap moved about.

The catch is unless you treat with acid or that DO NOT ATTEMPT to keep wet grain, will tip in a shed with vents/pedistals and keep wet for a week maybe... and bring to merchant to contract dry it when his workload is reduced or if can find someone with a mobile dryer that will bring it over. Alot of secondary loads etc..
One thing of a batch type dryer guys find it 'polishes' grain to improve the sample, it strange 25 or so kg of screenings blown out dust extractor can bring up bushel weight in a ton a few points!

GRASSorMUCK · 21-06-2014 10:07am

sheebadog wrote: »

150mm of water minimum. No fungicide or pesticide. It's not the cost of water, it's the availability

Are you governed by availability of moisture in your rotations etc?
Opposite here, loose your window ground just sits wet til spring.

frazzledhome · 21-06-2014 12:13pm

micraX wrote: »

Can't wait for the dairy prices to flop, bring a few lads down a level. This forum is to weighed towards dairy, if sheep have their own forum, maybe dairy should too.

What a juvenile and immature post

If this is a reflection of you negotiating style I don't think dairy or veg farming is your problem.

I want to see a thegood margin for all farmers. If dairy's so good why not wish for all other enterprises to rise to that level as opposed to what you're spouting

I buy my veg from a van that calls weekly, it's more expensive but quality is far superior.

You've nearly persuaded me to have a bacon omelette for lunch instead of my favourite veg one

frazzledhome · 21-06-2014 12:19pm

Lambofdave wrote: »

This country is totally dairy focused as is the IFA, and soon enough they will regret it. Eggs and Basket comes to mind, one man in the Co-op i know used to laugh when the IFA used to meet with the Co-op as every section of them wanted cheap grain except the grain section.

You're at it again. On another thread you've said the same yet when asked to cite 3 examples you disappeared. Putting it down to bad phone coverage I then asked for 2 again nothing. As you're back posting, could give one?

sheebadog · 21-06-2014 1:10pm

frazzledhome wrote: »

You're at it again. On another thread you've said the same yet when asked to cite 3 examples you disappeared. Putting it down to bad phone coverage I then asked for 2 again nothing. As you're back posting, could give one?

Good man Frazzle!!
Glad to see you're back.
Bob with you?

Conmaicne Mara · 21-06-2014 1:27pm

Bob is now farming in North Korea, less paperwork or hassle from the CoCo there he reckoned.

sheebadog · 21-06-2014 1:33pm

GRASSorMUCK wrote: »

Are you governed by availability of moisture in your rotations etc?
Opposite here, loose your window ground just sits wet til spring.

Yep governed by availability of moisture.
Can't grow any spring cereals including sosr.
Maize gives the best return on irrigation and when it hits 35+ it really motors whereas cereals would just turn to straw.

GRASSorMUCK · 21-06-2014 1:40pm

frazzledhome wrote: »

You're at it again. On another thread you've said the same yet when asked to cite 3 examples you disappeared. Putting it down to bad phone coverage I then asked for 2 again nothing. As you're back posting, could give one?

Ok it's abit like a team in hurling before a game hoping the other teams star player gets injured or some guy goes out to give a dirty stroke... If you can't beat them fair and square at least give a good showing of your self.

1- In the highest level of Agri education in Ucd there is a course set-up soley dedicated to train future farmers/managers of dairy farms with practical examples given on farm of cow health practices and students are shipped off to Nz to gain experience of were they should aim to take a grass based system down the line.... The crops course is poor imho, i wouldn't let any grad, come to advise my crops unless i knew they had a VERY good footing from their home farms. I remember root and alternative crops iirc elective was all i ever learned of eg beans/osr etc and that was a few slides in 3 lectures each.. Would you honestly say you could grow a crop with that little training?!
2. At lyons estate the farm is being expanded on the dairy side at the compromise of all other industries, considering the rate change in levels of technology involved in all industries for eg. from what i'm most familiar with in cereals is using soil maps(involves taking up to 20 soil samples ha!) and yeild maps from combines(1.5% off last year what combine said harvested to what entered the stores) to use this data to set-up variable rate fertilisers and seeding. I know this takes investement but if you don't train the agronomists of tomorow how to use this data we fall further behind the competition... Eg. our agronomo can email over field reqs, i can use computer to transfer that to memory card for sprayers computer to map out basic rates and areas that need elevated rates so i can set the parameters of the max/lowest dose using an old vari-rate N sensor to map thickness of the crop on the day, using gps to tell sprayer exactly were it is so it can used saved data on the card to say, oh this headland was thick must put out an extra .2 of a rate or this headland was thinner i can cut back here with out operator interference/needing to do anything.
3-How many articles have there been in the journal, ever, to discuss benefits of using oats/rye vs osr as a break crop in cereals. Encouraging farmers to grow beans before milling wheats to have elevated levels of natural N there so as to not need worry of Nitrates, no offence to the editors, but, why publish the bloody available chemistry when the season is almost over!
Every week you have Jack the Ripper and others, how ever much attention people give, to comparing systems, the great Jex vs Norwegian red type cow vs Hf debate

sheebadog · 21-06-2014 1:47pm

GRASSorMUCK wrote: »

Ok it's abit like a team in hurling before a game hoping the other teams star player gets injured or some guy goes out to give a dirty stroke... If you can't beat them fair and square at least give a good showing of your self.

1- In the highest level of Agri education in Ucd there is a course set-up soley dedicated to train future farmers/managers of dairy farms with practical examples given on farm of cow health practices and students are shipped off to Nz to gain experience of were they should aim to take a grass based system down the line.... The crops course is poor imho, i wouldn't let any grad, come to advise my crops unless i knew they had a VERY good footing from their home farms. I remember root and alternative crops iirc elective was all i ever learned of eg beans/osr etc and that was a few slides in 3 lectures each.. Would you honestly say you could grow a crop with that little training?!
2. At lyons estate the farm is being expanded on the dairy side at the compromise of all other industries, considering the rate change in levels of technology involved in all industries for eg. from what i'm most familiar with in cereals is using soil maps(involves taking up to 20 soil samples ha!) and yeild maps from combines(1.5% off last year what combine said harvested to what entered the stores) to use this data to set-up variable rate fertilisers and seeding. I know this takes investement but if you don't train the agronomists of tomorow how to use this data we fall further behind the competition... Eg. our agronomo can email over field reqs, i can use computer to transfer that to memory card for sprayers computer to map out basic rates and areas that need elevated rates so i can set the parameters of the max/lowest dose using an old vari-rate N sensor to map thickness of the crop on the day, using gps to tell sprayer exactly were it is so it can used saved data on the card to say, oh this headland was thick must put out an extra .2 of a rate or this headland was thinner i can cut back here with out operator interference/needing to do anything.
3-How many articles have there been in the journal, ever, to discuss benefits of using oats/rye vs osr as a break crop in cereals. Encouraging farmers to grow beans before milling wheats to have elevated levels of natural N there so as to not need worry of Nitrates, no offence to the editors, but, why publish the bloody available chemistry when the season is almost over!
Every week you have Jack the Ripper and others, how ever much attention people give, to comparing systems, the great Jex vs Norwegian red type cow vs Hf debate

Must meet up for a pint sometime!
Good few things to discuss.

Lambofdave · 21-06-2014 2:22pm

frazzledhome wrote: »

You're at it again. On another thread you've said the same yet when asked to cite 3 examples you disappeared. Putting it down to bad phone coverage I then asked for 2 again nothing. As you're back posting, could give one?

Disappeared don't think so . I don't need to cite anything, its pretty obvious to the dog on the street where things are focussed in the agri sector. How about you tell me anything that has been done to hinder dairying look at all the expansion before 2015. All out war happened in 09 over milk price and even the eu gave a token of compensation what other sector has ever had that?

Dairygold rebated things for the dairy farmer in 09 the poor beef lads got nothing.
the over fast expansion of dairying in Ireland is been facilitated by food harvest 2020 the IFA tegasc.

Look at the p**s poor showing by the ifa recently over the beef.

I can see why some people in other countries want a form of quota retained its a form of protection from being obliterated by over zealous neighbours.

frazzledhome · 21-06-2014 4:52pm

Lambofdave wrote: »

Disappeared don't think so . I don't need to cite anything, its pretty obvious to the dog on the street where things are focussed in the agri sector. How about you tell me anything that has been done to hinder dairying look at all the expansion before 2015. All out war happened in 09 over milk price and even the eu gave a token of compensation what other sector has ever had that?

Dairygold rebated things for the dairy farmer in 09 the poor beef lads got nothing.
the over fast expansion of dairying in Ireland is been facilitated by food harvest 2020 the IFA tegasc.

Look at the p**s poor showing by the ifa recently over the beef.

I can see why some people in other countries want a form of quota retained its a form of protection from being obliterated by over zealous neighbours.

"How about you tell me anything that has been done to hinder dairying look at all the expansion before 2015"

This comment alone makes any reply I might post redundant. You're clearly coming from a fixed position

frazzledhome · 21-06-2014 5:04pm

GRASSorMUCK wrote: »

Ok it's abit like a team in hurling before a game hoping the other teams star player gets injured or some guy goes out to give a dirty stroke... If you can't beat them fair and square at least give a good showing of your self.

1- In the highest level of Agri education in Ucd there is a course set-up soley dedicated to train future farmers/managers of dairy farms with practical examples given on farm of cow health practices and students are shipped off to Nz to gain experience of were they should aim to take a grass based system down the line.... The crops course is poor imho, i wouldn't let any grad, come to advise my crops unless i knew they had a VERY good footing from their home farms. I remember root and alternative crops iirc elective was all i ever learned of eg beans/osr etc and that was a few slides in 3 lectures each.. Would you honestly say you could grow a crop with that little training?!
2. At lyons estate the farm is being expanded on the dairy side at the compromise of all other industries, considering the rate change in levels of technology involved in all industries for eg. from what i'm most familiar with in cereals is using soil maps(involves taking up to 20 soil samples ha!) and yeild maps from combines(1.5% off last year what combine said harvested to what entered the stores) to use this data to set-up variable rate fertilisers and seeding. I know this takes investement but if you don't train the agronomists of tomorow how to use this data we fall further behind the competition... Eg. our agronomo can email over field reqs, i can use computer to transfer that to memory card for sprayers computer to map out basic rates and areas that need elevated rates so i can set the parameters of the max/lowest dose using an old vari-rate N sensor to map thickness of the crop on the day, using gps to tell sprayer exactly were it is so it can used saved data on the card to say, oh this headland was thick must put out an extra .2 of a rate or this headland was thinner i can cut back here with out operator interference/needing to do anything.
3-How many articles have there been in the journal, ever, to discuss benefits of using oats/rye vs osr as a break crop in cereals. Encouraging farmers to grow beans before milling wheats to have elevated levels of natural N there so as to not need worry of Nitrates, no offence to the editors, but, why publish the bloody available chemistry when the season is almost over!
Every week you have Jack the Ripper and others, how ever much attention people give, to comparing systems, the great Jex vs Norwegian red type cow vs Hf debate

You can't blame UCD for training students on what field they want to pursue. I can't comment on the arable part if your post. As far as I can see around me arable farmers will stop at no money to get land to run bigger machines to eat more of their SFP.

On the IFJ, its job is to sell papers and if there was an appetite for poultry leading to more copy sold I'm sure they'd do it.

Remember most of the dairy info was brought here by farmers travelling to USA, Canada, Holland and NZ. They brought back the info and put into practice. Teag and IFJ mearly followed.

Beef, again an industry collecting an SFP to hand to the factories at slaughter or to another farmer in the ring. Fr bull calves were dear last year and we couldn't keep them out the gate, €30 this year and nobody wanted them. I'm left with 65 April born fr bulls and when I sell they'll say there's a dairy guy ruining our business

Dairy success is down to a good structure at processor level, marketing and info sharing through discussion groups etc

GRASSorMUCK · 21-06-2014 6:47pm

frazzledhome wrote: »

You can't blame UCD for training students on what field they want to pursue. I can't comment on the arable part if your post. As far as I can see around me arable farmers will stop at no money to get land to run bigger machines to eat more of their SFP.

On the IFJ, its job is to sell papers and if there was an appetite for poultry leading to more copy sold I'm sure they'd do it.

Remember most of the dairy info was brought here by farmers travelling to USA, Canada, Holland and NZ. They brought back the info and put into practice. Teag and IFJ mearly followed.

Beef, again an industry collecting an SFP to hand to the factories at slaughter or to another farmer in the ring. Fr bull calves were dear last year and we couldn't keep them out the gate, €30 this year and nobody wanted them. I'm left with 65 April born fr bulls and when I sell they'll say there's a dairy guy ruining our business

Dairy success is down to a good structure at processor level, marketing and info sharing through discussion groups etc

To be fair,saying tillage guys wanting more ground is exactly the same as dairy farmers wanting a few extra cows so he can have a bigger parlour.... All in aid of adding a few extra feet in willy waving contest at local pub really.? The only reason to take on more work is for a better life style personally speaking, whats the point earning an extra few grand if it's more stress and more work to get there no spare time to spend it? richest corpse in the graveyard?

If the irish indo wanted to increase readership they could introduce red label style page 3 ye? just because it's not popular to most doesn't mean it should not be done even if it's for the betterment of an industry? if you scroll back one page you'll see your post at the bottom... could say the same about Ucd tooo really, no you can't blame them but atleast give those that do the best you can no?

As for dairy, i know nowt of the industry been 10+ years been involved at home place. Just don't fall into the trap of if you say your the best for long enough and loud enough you might just start to believe it yourself. Personally guys shouldn't put a single grain in the ground without a premium like human consumption grade organised, let the Blacksea provide their cheap grains, but, it's the same dairy processors that purchase most of the grains sold in Ireland so that's not likely?! And the need for a new/upgraded port probably, then guys in Se,Ne,Sw would all want it on their doorstep for exporting. And to get farmers to agree in consensus on something! world peace would be easier.

Remember ze Germans are best at OSR, Uk is good at wheat but messed themselves up with BlackGrass, what i mean is what's good over there might not be sooo good here you still need to keep a weather eye on the horizon all the same. Guys marvel at the Dutch, personally the netherlands is the most abused bit of dirt in the world and a road map guys here should look to avoid.
Read here for some of my reasoning aswel as talking to growers at various meeting/trips etc.
http://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index.php?threads/niels-van-der-boom-land-prices-dictate-farmer-success-in-holland.23242/

Fook it, we'll agree to dis-agree and that's grand. Life would be boring if people all though the same, and didn't have something to stimulate the braincells.

Greengrass1 · 21-06-2014 7:35pm

Don't want to derail the thread to dairy again as its a good thread but just one point. How can tillage men afford to pay so much for land?
Dairying is supposed to be the most profitable of the big 3 farming sectors in ireland-dairy,tillage and dry stock.
I know for a fact I could not pay 300e an acre for ground to make silage on or graze heifers.
A lot of the ground bought in my area with the exception of my father in the last 30 yrs has been by tillage farmers

sheebadog · 21-06-2014 7:43pm

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Don't want to derail the thread to dairy again as its a good thread but just one point. How can tillage men afford to pay so much for land?
Dairying is supposed to be the most profitable of the big 3 farming sectors in ireland-dairy,tillage and dry stock.
I know for a fact I could not pay 300e an acre for ground to make silage on or graze heifers.
A lot of the ground bought in my area with the exception of my father in the last 30 yrs has been by tillage farmers

Single farm payment.

lefthooker · 21-06-2014 7:54pm

Is it any wonder there's a feeling this is a dairying forum when ya have the dairy lads with their dairy related threads and then the begrudgers turn interesting threads into "down with dairying" rants and the dairy boys decide to fight their corner.
Grain price would be of interest to me, I've 75 acres of the stuff, and there's far too few tillage threads anyway, but the bitter pills weren't long about starting the "down with dairying" crap. eg...

micraX wrote: »

Can't wait for the dairy prices to flop, bring a few lads down a level. This forum is to weighed towards dairy, if sheep have their own forum, maybe dairy should too.

Tell me micra, who's your barbed aimed at?
Is it the men and women who are carrying on a family tradition?
Or is it the bucko whose jumped ship and invested heavily to start up?
Or maybe the experts, advisors or farm groups who are pushing the dairy band wagon?
Or is it all of the above cos you want to see another sector In the sh1t?

Wouldn't the bitter pills be better served directing their bile at the processors, retailers and organisations who have decimated and neglected their enterprises rather than sledge people who are reaping the rewards for their hard work. I have dairy beef and tillage, I want to see a good price for all of them and I'd be delighted if the sheep, pig, poultry and veggie people were too.

GRASSorMUCK · 21-06-2014 7:59pm

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Don't want to derail the thread to dairy again as its a good thread but just one point. How can tillage men afford to pay so much for land?
Dairying is supposed to be the most profitable of the big 3 farming sectors in ireland-dairy,tillage and dry stock.
I know for a fact I could not pay 300e an acre for ground to make silage on or graze heifers.
A lot of the ground bought in my area with the exception of my father in the last 30 yrs has been by tillage farmers

Sorry to any mods for advertising other websites twice in 2 posts but this is to show this problem is Universal and guys use any reason to justify it.
http://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index.php?threads/land-to-rent.20817/

Personally i would rather take a lot less and keep land in good heart, who wants a tractor in 5 years that's worn out at 10k hrs vs one that's only run in iykwim.

Lambofdave · 21-06-2014 8:09pm

frazzledhome wrote: »

"How about you tell me anything that has been done to hinder dairying look at all the expansion before 2015"

This comment alone makes any reply I might post redundant. You're clearly coming from a fixed position

You can't answer it can you?
But Ironic you say I'm coming from a fixed position when you have already shown your lack of willingness to see how Dairy has been the favoured sector from time and immoral when you got answers you didn't like

sheebadog · 21-06-2014 8:17pm

I'm told that new crop barley now down to €149/ton.

sheebadog · 21-06-2014 8:21pm

GRASSorMUCK wrote: »

Ok it's abit like a team in hurling before a game hoping the other teams star player gets injured or some guy goes out to give a dirty stroke... If you can't beat them fair and square at least give a good showing of your self.

1- In the highest level of Agri education in Ucd there is a course set-up soley dedicated to train future farmers/managers of dairy farms with practical examples given on farm of cow health practices and students are shipped off to Nz to gain experience of were they should aim to take a grass based system down the line.... The crops course is poor imho, i wouldn't let any grad, come to advise my crops unless i knew they had a VERY good footing from their home farms. I remember root and alternative crops iirc elective was all i ever learned of eg beans/osr etc and that was a few slides in 3 lectures each.. Would you honestly say you could grow a crop with that little training?!
2. At lyons estate the farm is being expanded on the dairy side at the compromise of all other industries, considering the rate change in levels of technology involved in all industries for eg. from what i'm most familiar with in cereals is using soil maps(involves taking up to 20 soil samples ha!) and yeild maps from combines(1.5% off last year what combine said harvested to what entered the stores) to use this data to set-up variable rate fertilisers and seeding. I know this takes investement but if you don't train the agronomists of tomorow how to use this data we fall further behind the competition... Eg. our agronomo can email over field reqs, i can use computer to transfer that to memory card for sprayers computer to map out basic rates and areas that need elevated rates so i can set the parameters of the max/lowest dose using an old vari-rate N sensor to map thickness of the crop on the day, using gps to tell sprayer exactly were it is so it can used saved data on the card to say, oh this headland was thick must put out an extra .2 of a rate or this headland was thinner i can cut back here with out operator interference/needing to do anything.
3-How many articles have there been in the journal, ever, to discuss benefits of using oats/rye vs osr as a break crop in cereals. Encouraging farmers to grow beans before milling wheats to have elevated levels of natural N there so as to not need worry of Nitrates, no offence to the editors, but, why publish the bloody available chemistry when the season is almost over!
Every week you have Jack the Ripper and others, how ever much attention people give, to comparing systems, the great Jex vs Norwegian red type cow vs Hf debate

I've reread this post twice. I like it a lot.
Great perspective. Thanks.

frazzledhome · 21-06-2014 8:27pm

Lambofdave wrote: »

You can't answer it can you?
But Ironic you say I'm coming from a fixed position when you have already shown your lack of willingness to see how Dairy has been the favoured sector from time and immoral when you got answers you didn't like

What exactly are you looking for?

Lambofdave · 21-06-2014 8:29pm

lefthooker wrote: »

Is it any wonder there's a feeling this is a dairying forum when ya have the dairy lads with their dairy related threads and then the begrudgers turn interesting threads into "down with dairying" rants and the dairy boys decide to fight their corner.

begrudgers it's hardly begrudging when all people should expect is the same level playing field for sectors rather then one being favoured over others. It's also bloody annoying that dairy people can't see it from the perspective of other sections and attack anyone who says it as it is.

Dairying is in the building boom phase and i just hope that when a price drop happens and it will thats inevitable on world markets it won't send to many over borrowed and extended people to the wall, Food harvest 2020 was like the tax breaks that started the building boom. A more cautious approach should have been pursued from the start. Tillage is a very much needed sector in Ireland get rid of it and be totally reliant on imported grain. Dairy prices month to month.

As for tillage guys paying ridiculous prices for grain ground I can't figure it out myself, but i also know of dairy men going 380 for ground for maize and away of getting rid of slurry.

Why couldn't the lads in dairy realised that an expansion involving other section was the way forward instead of listening to the so called experts that will as quickly disappear when the **** hits the fan at some stage.

micraX · 21-06-2014 9:06pm

frazzledhome wrote: »

What a juvenile and immature post

If this is a reflection of you negotiating style I don't think dairy or veg farming is your problem.

I want to see a thegood margin for all farmers. If dairy's so good why not wish for all other enterprises to rise to that level as opposed to what you're spouting

I buy my veg from a van that calls weekly, it's more expensive but quality is far superior.

You've nearly persuaded me to have a bacon omelette for lunch instead of my favourite veg one

What do you mean style? It's fairly obvious that with every one expanding there is going to be a flood of milk on the market, and supply and demand will come into play, over supple less demand, lads will end up selling milk cheaper. It's not about the primary product any more, the supermarkets control the prices there, in all reguards be it spuds, meat milk even the eggs for your omelette. Where money can be made these days requies further investment to process your produce, adding value. Like making yogurts or icecream or cheese, or with veg it's in the dicing and preping end of it. In other words judging from what iv seen And heard I think many people have invested heavily in the wrong thing, each to there own though, I could be wrong though. Anyways enjoy your omelette which I'm sure this post will make you want for your tea.

sheebadog · 21-06-2014 10:09pm

sheebadog wrote: »

I'm told that new crop barley now down to €149/ton.

Just to keep the thread in line.
€€149 dried = €171 delivered Ireland.
Minus circa €35 for drying etc = €136/ton green to the likes of Glanbia.

Anyone give a shyte?

Mad4simmental · 21-06-2014 10:19pm

GRASSorMUCK wrote: »

Sorry to any mods for advertising other websites twice in 2 posts but this is to show this problem is Universal and guys use any reason to justify it.
http://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index.php?threads/land-to-rent.20817/

Very very very interesting. Looking at that, It looks like beef and tillage have much the same enemy. Farmers getting a good sfp and willing to trow it away. The sooner it's scraped the better IMO.

mahoney_j · 21-06-2014 10:25pm

sheebadog wrote: »

Just to keep the thread in line.
€€149 dried = €171 delivered Ireland.
Minus circa €35 for drying etc = €136/ton green to the likes of Glanbia.

Anyone give a shyte?

Have a freind with 450 acres of corn (320 in obe block)that has come to me on and off for last while to milk and see what's involved in running a dairy herd .dose that answer ur question!!!!.hes telling me cost of fungicides/pesticides ,seed,fertliser etc is gone out of all proportion and with corn prices at current levels there's little to no margin in it

sheebadog · 21-06-2014 10:37pm

Mad4simmental wrote: »

Very very very interesting. Looking at that, It looks like beef and tillage have much the same enemy. Farmers getting a good sfp and willing to trow it away. The sooner it's scraped the better IMO.

WTF are you on deltamethrin. ?

GRASSorMUCK · 21-06-2014 10:42pm

sheebadog wrote: »

Just to keep the thread in line.
€€149 dried = €171 delivered Ireland.
Minus circa €35 for drying etc = €136/ton green to the likes of Glanbia.

Anyone give a shyte?

Late November moved milling wheat, hagberg 250+, protein 12%+(negotiable), moisture 14.5%, screening-3% offered 172/pounds/ton for export from trading group of local farms.edit bushel mid 70's+
Will look up rest monday forget off top of my head.

sheebadog · 21-06-2014 10:50pm

GRASSorMUCK wrote: »

Late November moved milling wheat, hagberg 250+, protein 12%+(negotiable), moisture 14.5%, screening-3% offered 182/pounds/ton for export from trading group of local farms.edit bushel mid 70's+
Will look up rest monday forget off top of my head.

Respectable proteins.

GRASSorMUCK · 21-06-2014 11:03pm

sheebadog wrote: »

Respectable proteins.

Edited should be 172.
they say 12 but just take a few pound off depending on if below, i like to blend if higher with other grain. That's problem forward selling need quality or lose to it that's ok with grain buyer, or else hope neighbours don't want toooo much for some of theirs.
Don't ask about some N rates

sheebadog · 21-06-2014 11:09pm

GRASSorMUCK wrote: »

Edited should be 172.
they say 12 but just take a few pound off depending on if below, i like to blend if higher with other grain. That's problem forward selling need quality or lose to it that's ok with grain buyer, or else hope neighbours don't want toooo much for some of theirs.
Don't ask about some N rates

Little bit of liquid urea when treating mycotoxins?

farm14 · 21-06-2014 11:15pm

mahoney_j wrote: »

Have a freind with 450 acres of corn (320 in obe block)that has come to me on and off for last while to milk and see what's involved in running a dairy herd .dose that answer ur question!!!!.hes telling me cost of fungicides/pesticides ,seed,fertliser etc is gone out of all proportion and with corn prices at current levels there's little to no margin in it

Is your friend thinking of starting up a dairy herd because I am too. Growing grain is a f*****g joke.

farm14 · 21-06-2014 11:17pm

sheebadog wrote: »

I'm told that new crop barley now down to €149/ton.

It's down as low as €138/t

GRASSorMUCK · 21-06-2014 11:18pm

sheebadog wrote: »

Little bit of liquid urea when treating mycotoxins?

Depends on year, An is more versatile in dry year like this(can mix with some water to reduce scorch risk further, urea likes to scorch sometimes) but didn't do one this year as topped up final split with some extra N as thought had enough foliage there already so thought crop wouldn't grow much more iykwim... Use urea alot lately mind such good value really atm
Just went with triazole mix with high prothioconazole loading for earblight some rust after all the worrying crops not too bad(hopefully not famous last words)

farm14 · 21-06-2014 11:53pm

Conacre lads are definitely dipping into their sfp. It's just not possible to keep growing grain at a loss. Theirs going to be big changes in farming in the next few years. Dairying is going to take over big time in this country. When you compare it to tillage beef & sheep it just doesn't make sense to stay in those low profit making enterprises.

frazzledhome · 22-06-2014 7:31am

micraX wrote: »

What do you mean style? It's fairly obvious that with every one expanding there is going to be a flood of milk on the market, and supply and demand will come into play, over supple less demand, lads will end up selling milk cheaper. It's not about the primary product any more, the supermarkets control the prices there, in all reguards be it spuds, meat milk even the eggs for your omelette. Where money can be made these days requies further investment to process your produce, adding value. Like making yogurts or icecream or cheese, or with veg it's in the dicing and preping end of it. In other words judging from what iv seen And heard I think many people have invested heavily in the wrong thing, each to there own though, I could be wrong though. Anyways enjoy your omelette which I'm sure this post will make you want for your tea.

Flood what market. The reality is the big guns in the US and other confined systems will dictate the price. If every farm in Ireland became a dairy farm or indeed all dairy farms stopped tomorrow no one would notice. We are a tiny bit of dust from the world perspective.

Your tune seems to be changing from one of wishing dairy farmers to take a fall to being concerned for their livelihood.

BTW, my quota costs are equivalent to my fert costs on this business so I'll be glad to see the back of quotas. Tomorrow if possible.

mahoney_j · 22-06-2014 9:34am

farm14 wrote: »

Is your friend thinking of starting up a dairy herd because I am too. Growing grain is a f*****g joke.

Seriously thinking about it,he has big advantage in that he has a substantial land base but he is a total machinery head.

Greengrass1 · 22-06-2014 9:56am

mahoney_j wrote: »

Seriously thinking about it,he has big advantage in that he has a substantial land base but he is a total machinery head.

Have a mate living up near me that sold land to a developer in the good times and bought a very big block of land down your way with the money from it. He has tillage on it but considering going dairy with it

micraX · 22-06-2014 10:38am

frazzledhome wrote: »

Flood what market. The reality is the big guns in the US and other confined systems will dictate the price. If every farm in Ireland became a dairy farm or indeed all dairy farms stopped tomorrow no one would notice. We are a tiny bit of dust from the world perspective.

Your tune seems to be changing from one of wishing dairy farmers to take a fall to being concerned for their livelihood.

BTW, my quota costs are equivalent to my fert costs on this business so I'll be glad to see the back of quotas. Tomorrow if possible.

Flood the Irish market, I never wished them to take the fall, its inevitable the way things are going. Well you don't have to wait too long to say good bye to them.

frazzledhome · 22-06-2014 10:44am

micraX wrote: »

Flood the Irish market, I never wished them to take the fall, its inevitable the way things are going. Well you don't have to wait too long to say good bye to them.

"Can't wait for the dairy prices to flop, bring a few lads down a level. This forum is to weighed towards dairy, if sheep have their own forum, maybe dairy should too."

That's what you said.

micraX · 22-06-2014 11:13am

frazzledhome wrote: »

"Can't wait for the dairy prices to flop, bring a few lads down a level. This forum is to weighed towards dairy, if sheep have their own forum, maybe dairy should too."

That's what you said.

And what's wrong with that? It will happen and it will bring a few pig headed lads down a level. And it's true this forum should just be called dairy farming at this rate.

Timmaay · 22-06-2014 11:14am

micraX wrote: »

Flood the Irish market, I never wished them to take the fall, its inevitable the way things are going. Well you don't have to wait too long to say good bye to them.

Ironically dairyfarmers are already turning their noses up at the domestic market, with lads getting out of liquid milk left right and centre! This is as a result of the supermarkets doing the same tactics with fresh milk as any other farm produce, pulling the rugs from under the farmers by things like selling milk as a loss leader, cheap milk from the north, questionable labeling etc etc etc. However, any new processing plants are going to be built with the international market only in mind, all of the milk will be dried and exported.

farm14 · 22-06-2014 3:23pm

micraX wrote: »

And what's wrong with that? It will happen and it will bring a few pig headed lads down a level. And it's true this forum should just be called dairy farming at this rate.

What did dairy lads do to you that you'd like to see the price drop on them. What is wrong with expanding or starting up a dairy herd? Demand for dairy produce worldwide is growing at a rate 2% per annum. You are a great lad for coming on here having a go at lads for wanting to grow or start up a dairy business when it is clearly by far the most profitable farm enterprise in this country. Maybe we should all start doing another enterprise sure with the way your talking ,maybe that will be more profitable will it?

micraX · 22-06-2014 6:24pm

farm14 wrote: »

What did dairy lads do to you that you'd like to see the price drop on them. What is wrong with expanding or starting up a dairy herd? Demand for dairy produce worldwide is growing at a rate 2% per annum. You are a great lad for coming on here having a go at lads for wanting to grow or start up a dairy business when it is clearly by far the most profitable farm enterprise in this country. Maybe we should all start doing another enterprise sure with the way your talking ,maybe that will be more profitable will it?

Ok what ever you's say, I'll make sure to bump this trend in a few months or a year or 2, and see how all the boys are doing:)

Grain price.

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