Grain price.

sheebadog · 19-06-2014 10:34AM

micraX wrote: »

Can't wait for the dairy prices to flop, bring a few lads down a level. This forum is to weighed towards dairy, if sheep have their own forum, maybe dairy should too.

Now now down with that kind of thing!
Be careful what you wish for as you just might get it.
Every farmer SHOULD stand shoulder to shoulder. Me feinism gets you nowhere.
Agree with dairy bias here but I've much gratitude to the likes of Stan, Mahoney, Frazzled etc.

Lookit I'm harvesting winter barley yielding 1.8ton/ha at the minute and nobody gives a shyte, but if I had a sick animal I would get some good advice and sympathy.
Methinks some of the me feinism is a hangover from the quota era.

GRASSorMUCK · 19-06-2014 11:00AM

sheebadog wrote: »

Lookit I'm harvesting winter barley yielding 1.8ton/ha at the minute and nobody gives a shyte,
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Yikes!! 6 row that didn't fill? or what happened?

sheebadog · 19-06-2014 11:21AM

GRASSorMUCK wrote: »

Yikes!! 6 row that didn't fill? or what happened?

Cereal mosaic virus. Ever hear of it?

Lambofdave · 19-06-2014 11:32AM

This country is totally dairy focused as is the IFA, and soon enough they will regret it. Eggs and Basket comes to mind, one man in the Co-op i know used to laugh when the IFA used to meet with the Co-op as every section of them wanted cheap grain except the grain section.

GRASSorMUCK · 19-06-2014 11:41AM

sheebadog wrote: »

Cereal mosaic virus. Ever hear of it?

Might have at one stage, but not very common?
Reading hear a little not much control only Resistant variety or out of cropping for 15 years?! Any ideas how it spread? new machinery or contractor as said to be soil borne?
http://archive.hgca.com/document.aspx?fn=load&media_id=3620&publicationId=3957

sheebadog · 19-06-2014 12:04PM

GRASSorMUCK wrote: »

Might have at one stage, but not very common?
Reading hear a little not much control only Resistant variety or out of cropping for 15 years?! Any ideas how it spread? new machinery or contractor as said to be soil borne?
http://archive.hgca.com/document.aspx?fn=load&media_id=3620&publicationId=3957

Soil bourne virus. France is riddled with it in some of the cereal growing areas.
My cereal ground is tilled since roman times so I expect all kinds of muck.
Volume and Cassia are the two varieties that succumbed to it with me. They are rated as 'tolerant' but not resistant. All white straw cereals are prone to it unless classed as resistant.
In Ireland I had oat mosaic virus but only affected oats. CMV hits everything.

Interestingly quality hasn't suffered much. Kph 68 @ 11.7% moisture.

Barley that's not affected won't be ripe for another week/10 days.

Straw @ €85/ton is producing more /ha than the grain.

mahoney_j · 19-06-2014 12:09PM

sheebadog wrote: »

Now now down with that kind of thing!
Be careful what you wish for as you just might get it.
Every farmer SHOULD stand shoulder to shoulder. Me feinism gets you nowhere.
Agree with dairy bias here but I've much gratitude to the likes of Stan, Mahoney, Frazzled etc.

Lookit I'm harvesting winter barley yielding 1.8ton/ha at the minute and nobody gives a shyte, but if I had a sick animal I would get some good advice and sympathy.
Methinks some of the me feinism is a hangover from the quota era.

Agree 100%,if farmers and I mean dairy,beef,tillage,sheep etc all stood together as one in this country we would be a much better for it.theres way too much of trying to be bigger and better than the lad next door,I'd be the youngest farmer in my area and some ofcthe crap I hear back about some of my methods would crack u up because I try in as much as possible to use most recent methods and info to extract as much milk,grass and profit from my holding.i feel for the beef and tillage men at the moment in their plight with low prices and poor if not non existent margins.

keep going · 19-06-2014 12:14PM

micraX wrote: »

Can't wait for the dairy prices to flop, bring a few lads down a level. This forum is to weighed towards dairy, if sheep have their own forum, maybe dairy should too.

Yes dairy prices will flop in fact its happening allready so start getting happy.if im honest I want cereals beef and dairy to do well as high prices in those sectors will have a positive impact on my business but I dont want to see any sect8r in trouble as I have friends and relations in other farm enterprise's

GRASSorMUCK · 19-06-2014 12:43PM

sheebadog wrote: »

Soil bourne virus. France is riddled with it in some of the cereal growing areas.
My cereal ground is tilled since roman times so I expect all kinds of muck.
Volume and Cassia are the two varieties that succumbed to it with me. They are rated as 'tolerant' but not resistant. All white straw cereals are prone to it unless classed as resistant.
In Ireland I had oat mosaic virus but only affected oats. CMV hits everything.

Interestingly quality hasn't suffered much. Kph 68 @ 11.7% moisture.

Barley that's not affected won't be ripe for another week/10 days.

Straw @ €85/ton is producing more /ha than the grain.

Have seen oat mosaic at my uncles place in Ireland, he doesn't believe in rotation or that much

:rolleyes:. Just one of those things you know might happen and kind of expect some of it, some years worse than others?

Quality is good, less viable grain sites so plant pumped energy into fewer grains iykwim?. Would you....... add a little moisture as you sell it? Would you need a grain drier in France?! or just a little bit... Does much straw go down to spain from france or am i mistaken?

Put podstik on OSR a weekend, bout 10-12 days might go with glyphosate bout week early, 2 on last year. You continental guys get more heat to burn in OSR have heard don't usually dessicate or thinking of ze Germans? must cost few hundredkg/ha burning off but then wouldn't be ripe until August and risk of hail/heavy rain with a 90% there crop is too much. Considering was flowering start of APRIL in places not too bad i think, all sorts of crops some big yields some crappy spots that sat wet over winter and got weeds in, especially as kerb did nothing

:mad: to my lovely BG. Some WB maybe 3-4 weeks away in area.

farm14 · 19-06-2014 12:58PM

sheebadog wrote: »

Yes. I agree with you. Main enterprise here is tillage with some dairy and poultry.
It's a little bit annoying when the attitude of most farmers is so inward. Navel gazing.
Thank Christ that it's different here. Farmers stick together.

Ah I don't know now the last few years im not making anything from growing grain. It costing €500/acre to grow winter barley

farm14 · 19-06-2014 01:07PM

micraX wrote: »

Can't wait for the dairy prices to flop, bring a few lads down a level. This forum is to weighed towards dairy, if sheep have their own forum, maybe dairy should too.

That's a quare sort of a statement. Why would you like to see someone struggle financially? At Low milk prices dairy would still be more profitable than beef sheep & tillage.

Farmer Pudsey · 19-06-2014 01:38PM

sheebadog wrote: »

Now now down with that kind of thing!
Be careful what you wish for as you just might get it.
Every farmer SHOULD stand shoulder to shoulder. Me feinism gets you nowhere.
Agree with dairy bias here but I've much gratitude to the likes of Stan, Mahoney, Frazzled etc.

Lookit I'm harvesting winter barley yielding 1.8ton/ha at the minute and nobody gives a shyte, but if I had a sick animal I would get some good advice and sympathy.
Methinks some of the me feinism is a hangover from the quota era.

I was told years ago when I first started that a farmers only friend is his pocket

Lambofdave wrote: »

This country is totally dairy focused as is the IFA, and soon enough they will regret it. Eggs and Basket comes to mind, one man in the Co-op i know used to laugh when the IFA used to meet with the Co-op as every section of them wanted cheap grain except the grain section.

Warren Buffet say there is nothing wrong with having all your eggs in one basket. But you have to watch them closely.

sheebadog · 19-06-2014 01:57PM

GRASSorMUCK wrote: »

Have seen oat mosaic at my uncles place in Ireland, he doesn't believe in rotation or that much :rolleyes:. Just one of those things you know might happen and kind of expect some of it, some years worse than others?

Quality is good, less viable grain sites so plant pumped energy into fewer grains iykwim?. Would you....... add a little moisture as you sell it? Would you need a grain drier in France?! or just a little bit... Does much straw go down to spain from france or am i mistaken?

Put podstik on OSR a weekend, bout 10-12 days might go with glyphosate bout week early, 2 on last year. You continental guys get more heat to burn in OSR have heard don't usually dessicate or thinking of ze Germans? must cost few hundredkg/ha burning off but then wouldn't be ripe until August and risk of hail/heavy rain with a 90% there crop is too much. Considering was flowering start of APRIL in places not too bad i think, all sorts of crops some big yields some crappy spots that sat wet over winter and got weeds in, especially as kerb did nothing :mad: to my lovely BG. Some WB maybe 3-4 weeks away in area.

Yea quality is fine but an awful lot of blind grains going over the screens ( wonder will much grow?). As you say the plant tried its best to fill the good grains.
No I won't add any moisture to the grain as it's hardly worth the bother.

Don't need a grain drier here, just a combine up to its job as it can dry down fast.
Grain maize is always dried though, and not easily dried as it has a thick skin iykwim.
No osr here this year as not enough moisture at planting.

Hmmm......podstik... I don't use it here but I use it in Ireland. I would like to see some independent trial results on the benefits of this product.
No need to desiccate osr here.

GRASSorMUCK · 19-06-2014 08:23PM

sheebadog wrote: »

Yea quality is fine but an awful lot of blind grains going over the screens ( wonder will much grow?). As you say the plant tried its best to fill the good grains.
No I won't add any moisture to the grain as it's hardly worth the bother.

Don't need a grain drier here, just a combine up to its job as it can dry down fast.
Grain maize is always dried though, and not easily dried as it has a thick skin iykwim.
No osr here this year as not enough moisture at planting.

Hmmm......podstik... I don't use it here but I use it in Ireland. I would like to see some independent trial results on the benefits of this product.
No need to desiccate osr here.

We've had good results when crop is still green and 'rubbery' with podstik, of course means an extra pass so often only do able when ground conditions suit etc....
Would you give the maize 2/3 quick blasts at heat or a slow lower heat higher airflow? must be nice not needing to run a drier for other crops.

sheebadog · 20-06-2014 08:23AM

GRASSorMUCK wrote: »

We've had good results when crop is still green and 'rubbery' with podstik, of course means an extra pass so often only do able when ground conditions suit etc....
Would you give the maize 2/3 quick blasts at heat or a slow lower heat higher airflow? must be nice not needing to run a drier for other crops.

How can you say that the podstik gives good results? Did you leave an untreated patch?

We try and avoid drying maize at all costs. Sell as much as we can for crimping which is handy as 38% moisture.
Crimp is the job with maize as harvest is a month earlier. Normally cut the maize for grain at 24 or 25% and the drying is a slow process. Max heat and as slow as she'll go. Two to three runs to get to 14%. Oh the diesel!!

GRASSorMUCK · 20-06-2014 03:43PM

sheebadog wrote: »

How can you say that the podstik gives good results? Did you leave an untreated patch?

We try and avoid drying maize at all costs. Sell as much as we can for crimping which is handy as 38% moisture.
Crimp is the job with maize as harvest is a month earlier. Normally cut the maize for grain at 24 or 25% and the drying is a slow process. Max heat and as slow as she'll go. Two to three runs to get to 14%. Oh the diesel!!

Unfortunately yes

:mad:, 2012, field was missed when burning off and then had to go with Diquat few days later. Same variety, Excalibur iirc or was that out then i forget... but field over hedge yielded 300kg/ha more no difference in inputs bar vary on p,k rates and some elevated pigeon damage on a headland by a small wood. Not scientific but worth it in to us iykwim.

Much hardship combining maize that wet? could imagine you need an agitator type device in grain tank near unload conveyor.? Alot of secondary loading or can you/have capacity to move back to wet bins?
Guess it's not like having a pile of dry wheat, throw some stuff you half dried over the top along few pedistals in for a week or 2 on with fans grand job...

sheebadog · 20-06-2014 04:25PM

GRASSorMUCK wrote: »

Unfortunately yes :mad:, 2012, field was missed when burning off and then had to go with Diquat few days later. Same variety, Excalibur iirc or was that out then i forget... but field over hedge yielded 300kg/ha more no difference in inputs bar vary on p,k rates and some elevated pigeon damage on a headland by a small wood. Not scientific but worth it in to us iykwim.

Much hardship combining maize that wet? could imagine you need an agitator type device in grain tank near unload conveyor.? Alot of secondary loading or can you/have capacity to move back to wet bins?
Guess it's not like having a pile of dry wheat, throw some stuff you half dried over the top along few pedistals in for a week or 2 on with fans grand job...

Well that's the closest to an independent trial on podstik that I've heard. It defo pays for itself so.

Maize at 38% moisture is surprisingly fluid. Flows like wheat at 20% so no bother at all to handle. Lots of secondary and tertiary loading as I'm not well set up for handling wet grains!
Maize is a funny crop in that when completely ripe the grain is close to 50% moisture. It then drops 0.8% moisture per day and if it rains the grain doesn't soak it in!
Forage maize is always harvested 120 days after planting so easy to book the forager on time.

rangler1 · 20-06-2014 06:17PM

Lambofdave wrote: »

This country is totally dairy focused as is the IFA, and soon enough they will regret it. Eggs and Basket comes to mind, one man in the Co-op i know used to laugh when the IFA used to meet with the Co-op as every section of them wanted cheap grain except the grain section.

You picked a funny year to say that, for the last nine mths in national exec, we have been getting 15mins dairying and one hour plus on beef, think you have been listening to too much pub talk

Lambofdave · 20-06-2014 07:40PM

rangler1 wrote: »

You picked a funny year to say that, for the last nine mths in national exec, we have been getting 15mins dairying and one hour plus on beef, think you have been listening to too much pub talk

And yet the IFA still have made no headway why? And does tillage sheep and so on even get a min at the national exec.
I don't listen to pub talk. But I don't also believe half the IFA says, considering what the last president said to me.

GRASSorMUCK · 20-06-2014 08:25PM

sheebadog wrote: »

Well that's the closest to an independent trial on podstik that I've heard. It defo pays for itself so.

Maize at 38% moisture is surprisingly fluid. Flows like wheat at 20% so no bother at all to handle. Lots of secondary and tertiary loading as I'm not well set up for handling wet grains!
Maize is a funny crop in that when completely ripe the grain is close to 50% moisture. It then drops 0.8% moisture per day and if it rains the grain doesn't soak it in!
Forage maize is always harvested 120 days after planting so easy to book the forager on time.

Don't know much of maize being honest, other than AD plants fall over them selves for ground and pump lots of inputs into it also! Few farms tried to grow it but just often too late to harvest or not enough heat for grain maize.. bit like me considering soya or lupins and other exotic spring crops plenty would say. :rolleyes: Would be nice if all crops could be so predictable as that, what kind of yields do you get?

One of the few good things we have here is we have good grainstores, at significant cost mind.

sheebadog · 20-06-2014 08:36PM

GRASSorMUCK wrote: »

Don't know much of maize being honest, other than AD plants fall over them selves for ground and pump lots of inputs into it also! Few farms tried to grow it but just often too late to harvest or not enough heat for grain maize.. bit like me considering soya or lupins and other exotic spring crops plenty would say. :rolleyes: Would be nice if all crops could be so predictable as that, what kind of yields do you get?

One of the few good things we have here is we have good grainstores, at significant cost mind.

Yields of grain maize irrigated = 12 to 14 tons/ha.

Grain maize non irrigated = 2 to 9 tons/ha.
These yields are corrected to 14% moisture.
I am growing soya but it's a thirsty crop requiring close on 150mm of water. Yielding ~ 4.6tons/ha.

GRASSorMUCK · 20-06-2014 09:18PM

sheebadog wrote: »

Yields of grain maize irrigated = 12 to 14 tons/ha.

Grain maize non irrigated = 2 to 9 tons/ha.
These yields are corrected to 14% moisture.
I am growing soya but it's a thirsty crop requiring close on 150mm of water. Yielding ~ 4.6tons/ha.

1500mm or 150mm? for soya :eek: have very moisture retentive soil here mainly. Know some farms on the Norfolk Brecks that irrigate cereals, mind thay already have pipes set in for veg and spuds... what would cost per m3 be or do yo irrigate?
Have been reading up on agronomy some, for soya
-sow mid-april
-pre-em with linuron, post em for broadleaf/grass weeds( :rolleyes: )
-any fungicide/pesticide?

rangler1 · 20-06-2014 10:07PM

Lambofdave wrote: »

And yet the IFA still have made no headway why? And does tillage sheep and so on even get a min at the national exec.
I don't listen to pub talk. But I don't also believe half the IFA says, considering what the last president said to me.

We just get a report on what each committee is doing and then questions. the beef report and questions seems to drag on a bit for the last few months especially as I'm a sheep farmer.
There's a thirty strong committee for each enterprise, its up to them to look after the day to day problems, so it'd be grain farmers going meeting merchants on grain business, merchants don't like us encouraging farm to farm trading of grain.
No one is going to change the beef situation, ie lack of demand and over supply, but there is exports now, driven by low prices probably and another ferry drawing livestock;....it al helps

sheebadog · 20-06-2014 10:18PM

GRASSorMUCK wrote: »

1500mm or 150mm? for soya :eek: have very moisture retentive soil here mainly. Know some farms on the Norfolk Brecks that irrigate cereals, mind thay already have pipes set in for veg and spuds... what would cost per m3 be or do yo irrigate?
Have been reading up on agronomy some, for soya
-sow mid-april
-pre-em with linuron, post em for broadleaf/grass weeds( :rolleyes: )
-any fungicide/pesticide?

150mm of water minimum. No fungicide or pesticide. It's not the cost of water, it's the availability

sheebadog · 20-06-2014 10:20PM

Please keep me posted on the soya. Thanks.

Milked out · 21-06-2014 06:58AM

Would many grain men have facilities to store grain?, with talks of this el nina weather event in the Pacific having an effect on the Aussie crops and possibly the yanks next year prices may rise later in the year? bills still have to be paid also I guess

GRASSorMUCK · 21-06-2014 09:03AM

Milked out wrote: »

Would many grain men have facilities to store grain?, with talks of this el nina weather event in the Pacific having an effect on the Aussie crops and possibly the yanks next year prices may rise later in the year? bills still have to be paid also I guess

No, but you can get some merchants that will store it, at a cost...
Shoe string example id us if not wanting to spend silly money on a nce cleaner continuos flow set-up on nice flat stores piled high with pedistals etc..:rolleyes:
Once grain is below 15.5%-15% not hard to keep, if a large heap put a few perforated drain pipes in tape up the top 1/2 or so and use a probe to check for heat/moisture once a week or so, KEEP THE TOP LEVEL OR HEAT OCCUR IN PEAKS, anythng above 14degree id get worried but first when grain goes in it will be up around 20degree room temp... and needs to be brought down to 10. invest in a lishman main blower fan, and a smaller screw in type for hot spots.(others are available)
http://www.martinlishman.com/agricultural/home/professional-crop-storage-systems/pile-dry-pedestals-and-fans/
or else if does start heating will have to keep heap moved about.

The catch is unless you treat with acid or that DO NOT ATTEMPT to keep wet grain, will tip in a shed with vents/pedistals and keep wet for a week maybe... and bring to merchant to contract dry it when his workload is reduced or if can find someone with a mobile dryer that will bring it over. Alot of secondary loads etc..
One thing of a batch type dryer guys find it 'polishes' grain to improve the sample, it strange 25 or so kg of screenings blown out dust extractor can bring up bushel weight in a ton a few points!

GRASSorMUCK · 21-06-2014 09:07AM

sheebadog wrote: »

150mm of water minimum. No fungicide or pesticide. It's not the cost of water, it's the availability

Are you governed by availability of moisture in your rotations etc?
Opposite here, loose your window ground just sits wet til spring.

frazzledhome · 21-06-2014 11:13AM

micraX wrote: »

Can't wait for the dairy prices to flop, bring a few lads down a level. This forum is to weighed towards dairy, if sheep have their own forum, maybe dairy should too.

What a juvenile and immature post

If this is a reflection of you negotiating style I don't think dairy or veg farming is your problem.

I want to see a thegood margin for all farmers. If dairy's so good why not wish for all other enterprises to rise to that level as opposed to what you're spouting

I buy my veg from a van that calls weekly, it's more expensive but quality is far superior.

You've nearly persuaded me to have a bacon omelette for lunch instead of my favourite veg one

frazzledhome · 21-06-2014 11:19AM

Lambofdave wrote: »

This country is totally dairy focused as is the IFA, and soon enough they will regret it. Eggs and Basket comes to mind, one man in the Co-op i know used to laugh when the IFA used to meet with the Co-op as every section of them wanted cheap grain except the grain section.

You're at it again. On another thread you've said the same yet when asked to cite 3 examples you disappeared. Putting it down to bad phone coverage I then asked for 2 again nothing. As you're back posting, could give one?

Grain price.

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