Allow me to explain why the 'All Live Matter' hashtag is awful.

Gatling · 06-06-2020 3:53pm

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

That Ebun Joseph...seen her on tonight show last year, she nearly brought racism up everything she spoke...the topic was direct provision centre's I believe

It's all she really says on twitter or any interview she gives Ireland is racist , Irish people are racist ,the gardai are racist ,the bar man in Galway was racist ,

Makes you wonder why she hasn't fled this racist hell hole

MOH · 06-06-2020 4:17pm

joe40 wrote: »

I can support BLM, purely because all lives matter.

There are thousands of people participating in BLM protests in Ireland right now who are clearly demonstrating that all lives don't matter to them.

They don't care about the lives of the elderly or others at high risk from the coronavirus they're helping spread. They don't care about the lives of the frontline care workers who are going to have to treat the people they infect.
They don't care about the people who died alone in hospital during lockdown unable to see their family, or the lives of those who've had to bury loved ones without a proper funeral.

There are plenty of ways to protest, and to show support for others. And even gain media coverage of it - just look at at all the coverage we've had of support for frontline medical staff. Pick a time where everyone does something form the safety of their own garden/window/balcony, and there'd have been a far higher participation. I certainly would have.

But by choosing to organise mass protests in the middle of a pandemic, right now BLM in Ireland definitely doesn't mean all lives matter.

joe40 · 06-06-2020 4:20pm

MOH wrote: »

There are thousands of people participating in BLM protests in Ireland right now who are clearly demonstrating that all lives don't matter to them.

They don't care about the lives of the elderly or others at high risk from the coronavirus they're helping spread. They don't care about the lives of the frontline care workers who are going to have to treat the people they infect.
They don't care about the people who died alone in hospital during lockdown unable to see their family, or the lives of those who've had to bury loved ones without a proper funeral.

There are plenty of ways to protest, and to show support for others. And even gain media coverage of it - just look at at all the coverage we've had of support for frontline medical staff. Pick a time where everyone does something form the safety of their own garden/window/balcony, and there'd have been a far higher participation. I certainly would have.

But by choosing to organise mass protests in the middle of a pandemic, right now BLM in Ireland definitely doesn't mean all lives matter.

I don't support protests in Ireland, I hadn't realised there were 1000s of people out today.

Warbeastrior · 06-06-2020 4:29pm

MOH wrote:

But by choosing to organise mass protests in the middle of a pandemic, right now BLM in Ireland definitely doesn't mean all lives matter.

That's true but I genuinely think a lot of people who break guidelines do so ignorantly. They almost seem oblivious to the fact that it can spread the virus quicker. A 'Sure it'll be grand' mindset.
It doesn't make non social distancing protests right but I think a lot don't see a big problem with what they're doing.

iamwhoiam · 06-06-2020 4:31pm

Warbeastrior wrote: »

That's true but I genuinely think a lot of people who break guidelines do so ignorantly. They almost seem oblivious to the fact that it can spread the virus quicker. A 'Sure it'll be grand' mindset.
It doesn't make non social distancing protests right but I think a lot don't see a big problem with what they're doing.

Do you honestly think that those who are protesting today are all stupid ? They are listening to the message being drilled into us daily to keep our distance . Unless they are very very stupid they must have got the message by now

06-06-2020 4:33pm

joe40 wrote: »

I don't support protests in Ireland, I hadn't realised there were 1000s of people out today.

That's the thing Joe, and I think me and you have been at odds over a few threads regarding this and matters like this.

I can tell from your response, you are rational and you aren't out to hammer people as being racist, but I think the main frustration for me and people like me is that we can't seem to say anything negative regarding immigration or BLM without being labelled as some sort of right wing bigot.

Again, not you personally Joe and I apologise if on other threads I may have lumped you in with those people.

The sheer lunacy and herd mentality of people (mostly white) who are using all that's going on at the moment to prove they are oh so virtuousis is maddening.

iamwhoiam · 06-06-2020 4:34pm

I would be absolutely furious today if I had to attend a funeral with 10 people or think I cancelled a 100 guest wedding . These people can gather in a huge mass and no one condemning it or even bothering to disperse it

06-06-2020 4:34pm

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Do you honestly think that those who are protesting today are all stupid ? They are listening to the message being drilled into us daily to keep our distance . Unless they are very very stupid they must have got the message by now

I think that any gob****e out protesting today is either stupid or very ****ing reckless who care more about being seen to be good rather than being good.

GSBellew · 06-06-2020 5:28pm

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

You cant have equality if black lives dont matter

Can you please point out where I said they didn't.

People are people, regardless of race, creed, sexual orientation, colour of skin, hair, eyes, and so on.

We are all people, we all have lives, all of these lives matter equally.

I don't feel the need to make a distiction because I see no difference in value of one over the other.

MOH · 06-06-2020 5:45pm

Reports earlier were "hundreds" or possibly a thousand. Sounds like it's far worse than that. This is insanity.
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/around-5000-people-take-part-in-black-lives-matter-protest-in-dublin-39265087.html

ExMachina1000 · 06-06-2020 5:48pm

Imagine the hassle of being a garda now.

Warbeastrior · 06-06-2020 5:57pm

iamwhoiam wrote:

Do you honestly think that those who are protesting today are all stupid ? They are listening to the message being drilled into us daily to keep our distance . Unless they are very very stupid they must have got the message by now

I don't think it's stupidity exactly. A lot of people know the guidelines and know they shouldn't be doing it according to said guidelines but I'm sure there's a lot that don't feel there is any need for social distancing as 'the cases are going down' etc. Seeing as though so few have got the virus as a whole (Which is great and fair play to everyone who has helped this be the case)
I'd say a lot of people feel there's nothing to worry about etc.

joe40 · 06-06-2020 5:57pm

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Imagine the hassle of being a garda now.

From the news article
"One Garda remarked, it is very peaceful, very well organised"

Guards aren't getting hassle.

I do however think the protest should not have happened with Coronavirus restrictions still in place. I would have no problem with the protest but not at this time.

ExMachina1000 · 06-06-2020 6:06pm

joe40 wrote: »

From the news article
"One Garda remarked, it is very peaceful, very well organised"

Guards aren't getting hassle.

I do however think the protest should not have happened with Coronavirus restrictions still in place. I would have no problem with the protest but not at this time.

I'm not talking about the "protest". I'm talking about going forward. Anytime they have to deal with any problem with someone who is a non national (don't even have to be black) there will be cameras on them and clowns ready to scream racist.

Its going to be a problem. You might say well if the guards don't do anything wrong they don't have to worry. To that I say that's not how it works in reality

Gatling · 06-06-2020 6:37pm

joe40 wrote: »

From the news article
"One Garda remarked, it is very peaceful, very well organised"

Guards aren't getting hassle.

More likely they have been told no to get involved for fear of mass civil disobedience and riots ,

Calhoun · 06-06-2020 9:11pm

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

I'm not talking about the "protest". I'm talking about going forward. Anytime they have to deal with any problem with someone who is a non national (don't even have to be black) there will be cameras on them and clowns ready to scream racist.

Its going to be a problem. You might say well if the guards don't do anything wrong they don't have to worry. To that I say that's not how it works in reality

Well if we want to actually solve racism then we will have to call them on it if the shoe fits, however we need to hold ourselves to account when it doesn't.

I am not a fan of open borders, i feel a country should have sovereign borders for the protection of its own citizens but i really despise the direct provision system. Its whole design is to be a cashcow for hotels that should have failed.

So i don't actually blame the people in the centres who are protesting against them.

whisky_galore · 06-06-2020 9:46pm

Gatling wrote: »

More likely they have been told no to get involved for fear of mass civil disobedience and riots ,

It's easy to tell a handful of Debenhams workers to go home, a lot harder when it's a couple hundred, some of whom who'd love nothing more than a dig from a guard caught on camera phone.

Gatling · 06-06-2020 10:09pm

whisky_galore wrote: »

It's easy to tell a handful of Debenhams workers to go home, a lot harder when it's a couple hundred, some of whom who'd love nothing more than a dig from a guard caught on camera phone.

Exactly while screaming the feds the feds

c montgomery · 06-06-2020 10:15pm

Absolute muppets protesting in Dublin today !

Irish lives matter, their protest put our lives in jeopardy.

Flip off over to the ghettos in America if you care so much

jackboy · 06-06-2020 10:20pm

iamstop wrote: »

2a. Nobody using the 'BlackLivesMatter hashtag is saying Only Black Live Matter. It is universally understood that all lives matter.

You got twisted in your own logic there.

whisky_galore · 07-06-2020 12:32am

Gatling wrote: »

Exactly while screaming the feds the feds

We don't have 'Feds', do they even know what country they're in?

MOH · 07-06-2020 12:57am

whisky_galore wrote: »

It's easy to tell a handful of Debenhams workers to go home, a lot harder when it's a couple hundred, some of whom who'd love nothing more than a dig from a guard caught on camera phone.

The authorities really dug themselves in a hole when they failed to do anything about the Gemma O'Doherty/John Waters idiot protestors. Makes it harder for them to criticise the current lunacy without being tweeted as racist. And nothing is worth that, whatever the public health risk.

(I'm also finding it really bizarre that protestors for Gemma O'Doherty and BLM share common characteristics)

Gatling · 07-06-2020 1:50am

whisky_galore wrote: »

We don't have 'Feds', do they even know what country they're in?

They seem to be confused .

There is a petition going to get African history taught in schools the main picture shows a number of black individuals bar one image of Nelson Mandela the rest of images are of American's.

Seems if you come here from Nigeria you demand to be taught African history but only the American part ...

StupidLikeAFox · 07-06-2020 1:55am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The sheer lunacy and herd mentality of people (mostly white) who are using all that's going on at the moment to prove they are oh so virtuousis is maddening.

This is a fairly common opinion - that people are just joining the protest to jump on the bandwagon and look cool by participating in the latest cause. Is that based on anything? Any evidence that people are doing it to look cool and not because there is an issue there that needs to be addressed?

Btw I agree that the protest should not have gone ahead today due to covid, but I also acknowledge that there is a lot of casual racism around the place and that is an issue that is frustrating for a lot people (whether they are black, white or other). Also people are more than entitled to feel aggrieved at the situation in America, whether it directly affects them or not, and the US embassy seems like the appropriate place to protest about that in Ireland

07-06-2020 9:20am

StupidLikeAFox wrote: »

This is a fairly common opinion - that people are just joining the protest to jump on the bandwagon and look cool by participating in the latest cause. Is that based on anything? Any evidence that people are doing it to look cool and not because there is an issue there that needs to be addressed?

Btw I agree that the protest should not have gone ahead today due to covid, but I also acknowledge that there is a lot of casual racism around the place and that is an issue that is frustrating for a lot people (whether they are black, white or other). Also people are more than entitled to feel aggrieved at the situation in America, whether it directly affects them or not, and the US embassy seems like the appropriate place to protest about that in Ireland

Yes. Plenty of evidence. Look at police brutality in other countries, carried out by any particular race Vs another. There are daily examples. Where are the marches on their embassies?

March on Penney's or other fast fashion due to child labour? No.

Daily protests against homophobia or women's rights in the middle east? Nope

Climate change extinction rebellion had a groundswell of support and people protesting in their name..... Until it wasn't trendy.

whisky_galore · 07-06-2020 9:40am

MOH wrote: »

The authorities really dug themselves in a hole when they failed to do anything about the Gemma O'Doherty/John Waters idiot protestors. Makes it harder for them to criticise the current lunacy without being tweeted as racist. And nothing is worth that, whatever the public health risk.

(I'm also finding it really bizarre that protestors for Gemma O'Doherty and BLM share common characteristics)

I imagine they thought Gemtrails and Co. were a tiny fringe group that would simply evaporate when this idiotic case had run its course and would be more trouble than they're worth to attempt to remove.

I agree, both ends of the spectrum here would love nothing more than to get a sideways look from a guard and run off crying about police brutality.

silverharp · 07-06-2020 9:52am

I wonder who thought "matter" was a good word? its a very low bar.

Kivaro · 07-06-2020 6:46pm

Watched an interview of an African man at the "White Privilege" protest in Dublin yesterday. He had great difficulty in explaining the reason why he was there (and it had nothing to with the language barrier). He eventually talked about his two sons that he was bringing up in Ireland and he didn't know what their futures would be like if things did not change.

I wondered if this man thought he was living in Minneapolis and not in Ireland. But if he one of the large percentage of Africans living off welfare in Ireland, he should be made aware of the privilege of the white people who are going to work in the morning in order to sustain this man's comparatively luxurious welfare lifestyle for the rest of his life.

Going by the appearance of many of the protesters that were interviewed yesterday and last weekend; one would have to wonder how many of them had ever the privilege of real jobs in their lives.

iamstop · 07-06-2020 8:29pm

Kivaro wrote: »

I wondered if this man thought he was living in Minneapolis and not in Ireland. But if he one of the large percentage of Africans living off welfare in Ireland, he should be made aware of the privilege of the white people who are going to work in the morning in order to sustain this man's comparatively luxurious welfare lifestyle for the rest of his life./QUOTE]

This is pure fiction. You've no idea what he does for a living. He could be a doctor for all you know. But you want to assume the worst and think he's sponging. Even if he was on welfare, does that mean he deserves some racial abuse now and then? What's your whole point here? Ridiculous.

silverharp · 07-06-2020 8:47pm

this is how retarded thing are, How do you solve a problem without being able to talk about it.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/06/business/media/editor-philadephia-inquirer-resigns.html

Top Editor of Philadelphia Inquirer Resigns After ‘Buildings Matter’ Headline
Stan Wischnowski, a 20-year veteran of the paper, stepped down days after the publication of an article that led to a walkout by dozens of Inquirer journalists.

Yamanoto · 07-06-2020 9:01pm

iamstop wrote: »

Even if he was on welfare, does that mean he deserves some racial abuse now and then? What's your whole point here? Ridiculous.

BLM organisers in Ireland seem to be suggesting that the direct provision system is in itself somehow inherently racist. What's always left out of the discussion is the fact that the volume of spurious claims for asylum from economic migrants eat up finite resources and make the process a considerably poorer experience for those in very real need of international protection.

Eric Cartman · 07-06-2020 9:05pm

iamstop wrote: »

Kivaro wrote: »

I wondered if this man thought he was living in Minneapolis and not in Ireland. But if he one of the large percentage of Africans living off welfare in Ireland, he should be made aware of the privilege of the white people who are going to work in the morning in order to sustain this man's comparatively luxurious welfare lifestyle for the rest of his life.

This is pure fiction. You've no idea what he does for a living. He could be a doctor for all you know. But you want to assume the worst and think he's sponging. Even if he was on welfare, does that mean he deserves some racial abuse now and then? What's your whole point here? Ridiculous.

but with a majority of African immigrants unemployed and less than 12% having arrived having even set foot in a college , the poster assuming he's 'sponging' is infinitely more likely to be correct than your assumption is.

Quantum Erasure · 07-06-2020 9:43pm

silverharp wrote: »

I wonder who thought "matter" was a good word? its a very low bar.

I think that's the point

Lyan · 07-06-2020 9:47pm

Have you taken your Ritalin OP?

the immortals · 07-06-2020 9:53pm

iamstop wrote: »

If you are using the 'alllivesmatter' hashtag and don't know any better or are confused why people are mad at you let me explain it:
1. The original hashtag 'BlackLivesMatter' was a reaction to a string of well documented cases of police brutality that resulted in the death of a long list of unarmed black people. On top of that there was no appropriate punishment for the police officers involved. They mostly got paid or unpaid leave until the heat died down and continued back at their jobs after that. Meanwhile the families and friends of the deceased got no justice. This sends shockwaves of trauma throughout the immediate community, the country of the US and the rest of the black population outside of the US too. This original hashtag started to really shine a light of the system wide oppression of black people in America and elsewhere.
2. The oppressors decided that this hashtag would gather too much momentum and decided they needed to water it down and dilute it with 'alllivesmatter' to protect the racist system that they benefit from. And to some degree it's working (COINTELPRO). Every time you use that hashtag you are doing the work of the oppressor. You are being used as a pawn. You are being manipulated into diluting a movement that's main goal is end police brutality.
2a. Nobody using the 'BlackLivesMatter hashtag is saying Only Black Live Matter. It is universally understood that all lives matter.
3. So, now that you are educated on the deceitful and hateful and manipulative reasons for this 'alllivesmatter' hashtag to exist you should stop doing the work of the oppressor and stop using it and stop being used.
3a. If you've read all this and understand it and still use the 'alllivesmatter' hashtag then shame on you. You are a terrible human.

Tell that to the kid in Cork who is in hospital after being stabbed by a black teen while lying on the ground defenceless, I'm sure he'll feel much better after you explain it to him

FatherTed · 07-06-2020 10:14pm

It like the "Save the Whales" movement doesn't mean Fk the rest of the animals in the sea. It's just Save the Whales. Sure save all the animals in the sea but this particular problem is the extinction of whales.

So yes Black Lives Matter. Hijacking it or going on with the whatabouty of All Lives Matter shows you just don't get it.

07-06-2020 10:37pm

FatherTed wrote: »

It like the "Save the Whales" movement doesn't mean Fk the rest of the animals in the sea. It's just Save the Whales. Sure save all the animals in the sea but this particular problem is the extinction of whales.

So yes Black Lives Matter. Hijacking it or going on with the whatabouty of All Lives Matter shows you just don't get it.

I don't get it.

And I have tried to educate myself about it. I know that black people were treated terribly in the past. I know some people still are racist.

But I know that there are laws to punish people who do illegal things in the name of racism.

Im at a huge loss as to see how black lives matter s are silent about the death of the black policeman at the hands of a looter.

Is it black lives matter or is it black lives that make me seem popular matter?

Equating save the whales to black lives matter is ****ing ridiculous. You are lucky you aren't being slated as equating blacks to animals. I guarantee that would happen if someone from the other side said it.

Rodney Bathgate · 07-06-2020 10:39pm

#alm

J_E · 08-06-2020 12:26am

GarIT wrote: »

There have been many BLM protestors who have said they should be killing cops or white people as revenge or to make it even. I don't take them seriously, they are the edge case nutters but it's not correct to say nobody is saying it.

Show us one.

the immortals wrote: »

Tell that to the kid in Cork who is in hospital after being stabbed by a black teen while lying on the ground defenceless, I'm sure he'll feel much better after you explain it to him

You're making this a black vs white issue. The whole point is that police brutality is disproportionately directed towards black folk in the US and beyond. You are taking an isolated issue and waving it like "Look! Black people aren't perfect!". It's fairly blindsided and immature.

Cupatae · 08-06-2020 12:35am

Warbeastrior wrote: »

#BlackLivesMatter is the right and appropriate hashtag as black people are as a whole treated worse than white people in the US and further afield. As a white male, I know my life matters but were I black, I'd be questioning whether a lot of people thought that.
As was said over the last few days, if someone's house was on fire and they were using water to put it out. It would look very stupid if his neighbour came over giving out to them asking why they weren't putting any water on his house even though it's not on fire. That's what the #AllLivesMatter hashtag is like.

I honest to God can't get over this point of view the sympathy for the black race is boardering on ridiculous at this stage we ll be bowing down to them at this rate,

Police brutality is the issue.

This notion that the poor ole black man is being held back by the big bad white man lead system is utter tripe, same with every problem they ve ever had has comes from the white man people buying into this stuff need to give there heads a wobble .

BLM is black supremists low key.. white people cheering it on then is hilarious altogether , the fact that BLM are for racial equality but still use collective terms such "the white man" makes me laugh

I ask the same question when all this is over and done with what will black people be able to do that they can't already do ?

Racism against black people =Outrageous

Racism against white people = Group activity that all can part take in and be applauded for it

Cupatae · 08-06-2020 12:39am

J_E wrote: »

Show us one.

You're making this a black vs white issue. The whole point is that police brutality is disproportionately directed towards black folk in the US and beyond. You are taking an isolated issue and waving it like "Look! Black people aren't perfect!". It's fairly blindsided and immature.

It is a black vs white issue, the only time it's not is when it's called out , look at all the speeches for GF they screamed "we learned voilence from you the white man so don't complain when we get voilent" and "if it was a white man we d have CNN here and the president" ECT ECT

But ya it's not about black v white deluded yourself what ever way suits keep up the good fight for the poor struck down black people, none of there problems are self made it's all someone else's fault all the system..

JP Liz V1 · 08-06-2020 12:53am

whisky_galore wrote: »

#onlytrendyhashtagsmatter

#fixboards

Rodney Bathgate · 08-06-2020 12:58am

#fixboardssearch

Gatling · 08-06-2020 12:59am

#paytopostridtheriffraffandpoor

#allsortedandfixed

ExMachina1000 · 08-06-2020 1:11am

#idontcareaboutgeorgefloyd

Rubberchikken · 08-06-2020 1:17am

Blacks and mostly the trendy lefties never stopped until they had a black president.

How come that didn't seem to improve issues in the USA?

People have to accept that there has always been and will always be racism. There are laws to deal with it, but laws alone will never stop some from disliking someone else simply because of their race etc.

ExMachina1000 · 08-06-2020 1:20am

Rubberchikken wrote: »

Blacks and mostly the trendy lefties never stopped until they had a black president.

How come that didn't seem to improve issues in the USA?

People have to accept that there has always been and will always be racism. There are laws to deal with it, but laws alone will never stop some from disliking someone else simply because of their race etc.

There are also those in society who will actually use their own race as an excuse for not making it in life.

Dr. Bre · 08-06-2020 1:22am

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

#idontcareaboutgeorgefloyd

I hear your a rascist now father

bloodless_coup · 08-06-2020 1:25am

OP being a moderator is an embarrassment to boards.

2u2me · 08-06-2020 1:44am

iamstop wrote: »

If you are using the 'alllivesmatter' hashtag and don't know any better or are confused why people are mad at you let me explain it:

You know people were mad at Tottenham Hotspur's supporters for using the word Yid to describe themselves, a foul word invented to slur jewish people.

Many people told them to stop; that it was disrespectful and racist. It was banned by the league, with a penalty for using it being introduced, it didn't stop the supporters.

The word came about because supporters in other teams in the league would use it against them. "Yids!" they should shout with anger and emotional vitriol towards the Tottenham supporters. They would even hiss to signify the sounds of the gas chambers. Disgusting, utterly reprehensible.

But you know when they regained the word for themselves and started to embrace themselves as "The Yid Army" it took the power away from the racist scum that would try to use the word. Imagine a small crowd of away supporters trying to heckle "Disgusting yids" While an entire stadium shouted back "We're the yid army" and laughed at them.

To give phrases such power and authority is reckless, words and language are an ever evolving thing; each person interprets them as they like.

Some people see Black lives matter as meaning that other lives matter less. No matter how many times you or other people say "that's not what it means", that's the way some people are going to pick it up. There is no authority on language.

Allow me to explain why the 'All Live Matter' hashtag is awful.

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