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Cork GAA Discussion Thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,115 ✭✭✭Boom__Boom


    big_drive wrote: »
    Their junior champs are essentially the 17th best team in Kerry

    I’d guess kilshannig would be around 40th in Cork ??

    8 club teams in senior county championship.
    16 club teams in intermediate county championship.
    Junior champs would be the 25th best team in the county (based on county championship)

    I really don't understand why Cork enter the winner of their third tier championship into the intermediate championship and their 5th tier championship into the junior championship. Crazy stuff. The only reason I can see is so that the 2nd tier clubs can call themselves senior and the 3rd and 4th tier call themselves intermediate. I doubt there would be any objections from outside of the county if they renamed the 2nd tier to intermediate and 3rd tier to junior and entered the winner of those competitions into the 2nd and 3rd provincial tiers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 508 ✭✭✭purpleisafruit


    Boom__Boom wrote: »
    8 club teams in senior county championship.
    16 club teams in intermediate county championship.
    Junior champs would be the 25th best team in the county (based on county championship)

    I really don't understand why Cork enter the winner of their third tier championship into the intermediate championship and their 5th tier championship into the junior championship. Crazy stuff. The only reason I can see is so that the 2nd tier clubs can call themselves senior and the 3rd and 4th tier call themselves intermediate. I doubt there would be any objections from outside of the county if they renamed the 2nd tier to intermediate and 3rd tier to junior and entered the winner of those competitions into the 2nd and 3rd provincial tiers.
    It's the sheer number of clubs in Cork that causes so many tiers. Next year there will be 4 tiers above Junior; Premier Senior, Senior A, Premier Intermediate, Intermediate.
    Premier Senior will be 12 teams + Divisions
    Senior A will be 12 teams, Premier Intermediate 12 teams and Intermediate will be 16 teams.


  • Registered Users Posts: 404 ✭✭Innish_Rebel


    Rebel1977 wrote: »
    I wonder how many of they Blackrock team that played yesterday have played senior championship already but unfair given how a few years ago the board parachuted in Blackrock Barr’s glen sars etc all into this intermediate championship without having won the junior title do Blackrock now play premier intermediate in 2020


    To the best of my knowledge - none. If you play senior you're unavailable for any lower grade. they may have played previous years but not 2019. To be fair this Blackrock team also lost last years final to Ballincollig so they've been fairly consistent in the Intermediate grade.


    Also I think with the restructure of the grades both Blackrock & Cloghduv will be Premier Intermediate next year???


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,268 ✭✭✭big_drive


    To the best of my knowledge - none. If you play senior you're unavailable for any lower grade. they may have played previous years but not 2019. To be fair this Blackrock team also lost last years final to Ballincollig so they've been fairly consistent in the Intermediate grade.


    Also I think with the restructure of the grades both Blackrock & Cloghduv will be Premier Intermediate next year???

    No i think only blackrock move to premier next year


  • Registered Users Posts: 404 ✭✭Innish_Rebel


    big_drive wrote: »
    No i think only blackrock move to premier next year


    Thanks - haven't been able to find the up/down for grades below Senior online other than the total numbers in the original document.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,268 ✭✭✭big_drive


    Thanks - haven't been able to find the up/down for grades below Senior online other than the total numbers in the original document.

    there's very comprehensive info just added to Cork GAA website today. Shows all the gradings, formats etc. Points clubs gained in the grading table etc. Very interesting


  • Registered Users Posts: 404 ✭✭Innish_Rebel


    big_drive wrote: »
    there's very comprehensive info just added to Cork GAA website today. Shows all the gradings, formats etc. Points clubs gained in the grading table etc. Very interesting


    Excellent thanks...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,044 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    A very good document from the CCB

    http://gaacork.ie/news/10057538/Cork_GAA_2020_Championships

    Very well put together in fairness


  • Registered Users Posts: 201 ✭✭spillcoe


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    A very good document from the CCB

    http://gaacork.ie/news/10057538/Cork_GAA_2020_Championships

    Very well put together in fairness


    Really good to get a document like this showing how everything has been decided on.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,268 ✭✭✭big_drive


    3 out of 4 qualify in each group so should make every game pretty important and most teams in the hunt right up to final group game.
    I’d be very hopeful that these changes are going to have a really positive impact on the club scene


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,115 ✭✭✭Boom__Boom


    It's the sheer number of clubs in Cork that causes so many tiers. Next year there will be 4 tiers above Junior; Premier Senior, Senior A, Premier Intermediate, Intermediate.
    Premier Senior will be 12 teams + Divisions
    Senior A will be 12 teams, Premier Intermediate 12 teams and Intermediate will be 16 teams.

    Kilshannig won the 4th tier competition this year but entered the Junior because for some reason Cork call their third tier competition intermediate.

    If they stick with the entering the winner of the top intermediate and top junior competitions into Munster next year, it will be the case that the winner of the 3rd tier county championship will go into the Muster Intermediate and the winner of the 5th tier county championshiop will go into the Munster Junior competition.
    The solution is blindingly obvious - called the 2nd tier Intermediate and the 3rd tier Junior and enter those tiers into the Munster competitions.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,247 ✭✭✭mossie


    Just on the Kilshannig game I just heard that Na Gaeil may have used an extra substitute in that game and looking at the report in the examiner it seems they used 7. Don't know if this will have any bearing on the result.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,268 ✭✭✭big_drive


    mossie wrote: »
    Just on the Kilshannig game I just heard that Na Gaeil may have used an extra substitute in that game and looking at the report in the examiner it seems they used 7. Don't know if this will have any bearing on the result.

    Kilshannig would look silly if they went down that road after such a one sided game. Be different if it was a tighter result


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,115 ✭✭✭Boom__Boom


    mossie wrote: »
    Just on the Kilshannig game I just heard that Na Gaeil may have used an extra substitute in that game and looking at the report in the examiner it seems they used 7. Don't know if this will have any bearing on the result.

    I have seen blood subs included in the subs for match reports on occasion.
    That would be my first guess.
    Also the last sub was in the 64th minute when Na Gaeil replaced their keeper.
    Fairly unusual to replace a keeper at that stage of a game. Kilshannig would want to have world-class poker faces to try and argue that this sub had any bearing on the result. Be very surprised if anything came from this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,247 ✭✭✭mossie


    Boom__Boom wrote: »
    I have seen blood subs included in the subs for match reports on occasion.
    That would be my first guess.
    Also the last sub was in the 64th minute when Na Gaeil replaced their keeper.
    Fairly unusual to replace a keeper at that stage of a game. Kilshannig would want to have world-class poker faces to try and argue that this sub had any bearing on the result. Be very surprised if anything came from this.

    Yeah I thought it might be a blood sub but haven't seen those in match reports that I can recall.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,386 ✭✭✭✭DDC1990


    Last sub was the Goalkeeper who was taken off on a blood sub. Game ended 40 seconds later. No controversy.

    Interesting note: both starting Keepers had to be replaced. Not sure I've ever seen it at a match before.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,166 ✭✭✭zetecescort


    Cairde Chorcai website launched tonight with membership details - https://cairdechorcai.ie/

    Interesting to read that they hope to double the number of full time coaches early next year and are in talks with UCC, CIT and other landowners about a permanent training base


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 802 ✭✭✭Rebel1977


    big_drive wrote: »
    No i think only blackrock move to premier next year

    Correct on that one


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,044 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    Some very interesting draws last night

    Premier Senior Hurling

    Group 1: Midleton, Sarsfields, Douglas, Ballyhea;

    Group 2: Blackrock, Erin’s Own, Bishopstown, Newtownshandrum;

    Group 3: Glen Rovers, St Finbarr’s, Na Piarsaigh, Carrigtwohill.


    Premier Senior Football

    Group 1: St Finbarr’s, Ballincollig, Clonakilty, Carrigaline;

    Group 2: Carbery Rangers, Castlehaven, Newcestown, Ilen Rovers;

    Group 3: Nemo Rangers, Valley Rovers, Douglas, Bishopstown.


    Senior A Hurling

    Group 1: Newcestown, Killeagh, Kanturk, Cloyne;

    Group 2: Bandon, Charleville, Mallow, Fermoy;

    Group 3: Ballymartle, Bride Rovers, Fr O’Neill’s, Kilworth.



    Senior A Football

    Group 1: O’Donovan Rossa, St Nick’s, St Michael’s, Ballingeary;

    Group 2: Kiskeam, Mallow, Éire Óg, Bantry Blues;

    Group 3: Dohenys, Fermoy, Clyda Rovers, Bandon.


    Premier Intermediate Hurling

    Group 1: Courcey Rovers, Carrigaline, Aghada, Youghal;

    Group 2: Valley Rovers, Ballinhassig, Watergrasshill, Ballincollig;

    Group 3: Inniscarra, Blarney, Castlelyons, Blackrock.


    Premier Intermediate Football

    Group 1: Newmarket, Na Piarsaigh, Castletownbere, Aghada;

    Group 2: Naomh Abán, Cill na Martra, St Vincent’s, Knocknagree;

    Group 3: Macroom, Kanturk, Nemo Rangers, Gabriel Rangers.


    Intermediate A Hurling

    Group 1: Kildorrery, Mayfield, Argideen Rangers, Dungourney;

    Group 2: Éire Óg, Sarsfields, Meelin, Douglas;

    Group 3: Cloughduv, Aghabullogue, Glen Rovers, Midleton.


    Intermediate A Football

    Group 1: Millstreet, St Finbarr’s, Glenville, Ballinora;

    Group 2: Rockchapel, Dromtarriffe, Ballydesmond, Kinsale;

    Group 3: Mitchelstown, Glanworth, Mayfield, Adrigole;

    Group 4: Aghabullogue, Kildorrery, Glanmire, Kilshannig.


    Lower Intermediate Hurling

    Group 1: Kilbrittain, Barryroe, Ballygarvan, Russell Rovers;

    Group 2: Castlemartyr, St Finbarr’s, Ballymartle, Milford;

    Group 3: Tracton, St Catherine’s, Grenagh, Dripsey.



    Looking forward to the Midleton, Sarsfields, Douglas, Ballyhea and
    Carbery Rangers, Castlehaven, Newcestown, Ilen Rovers groups


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 802 ✭✭✭Rebel1977


    I was looking at the ranking of the senior hurling teams how did they come up with the rankings I would have thought sars would be above Blackrock as they haven’t won a county since 2002 I believe group c is the group of death some good games there to look forward to.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 404 ✭✭Innish_Rebel


    Rebel1977 wrote: »
    I was looking at the ranking of the senior hurling teams how did they come up with the rankings I would have thought sars would be above Blackrock as they haven’t won a county since 2002 I believe group c is the group of death some good games there to look forward to.


    It is based on points gained over the last 4 years championships.
    Sars
    2019 30 Lost in 1/4 final
    2018 30 Lost in 1/4 final
    2017 100 Lost in 1/2 final
    2016 10 Lost in Rnd 3

    Total 170


    Rockies:
    2019 10 Lost in Rnd 3
    2018 70 Lost in 1/2 final
    2017 150 Lost in final
    2016 30 Lost in Rnd 4

    Total 260


    So barring this year Blackrock have outperformed Sars every year.

    See link below from KrustyUCC very good excel file that shows all rankings and how calculated...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,044 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    http://gaacork.ie/news/10057538/cork_g_a_a2020_championships

    Ranking table there

    Only 2016-2019 counted for ranking purposes


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,166 ✭✭✭zetecescort


    Update today on Kieran O'Connor
    To all #FriendsofKieran , we are delighted to share this update....

    After 5 months of intensive treatment, Kieran had results of a full scan today.
    While the cancer is still there, the results were positive in that it has regressed in some places & overall the doctors are pleased the treatment that he has been on for last while is doing its job.
    He will be starting chemo again next week but they are happy that this treatment is working for him at this time.... Long road ahead but all the small battles count

    Thank you sincerely for all for your kind messages, prayers & support for Kieran over the past few months, it has been absolutely incredible.
    #friendsofkieran


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,700 ✭✭✭thesultan


    Great news.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,424 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    Good to hear. Hopefully stay that way.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,700 ✭✭✭thesultan


    How are the clubs Delaneys, Brian Dillions, Redmonds and Saint Vincent's doing?


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 33,244 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    Delanys had a few rough years but they are beginning to thrive again. Underage has started again, a ladies team, girls underage mixed in with Vincent's for camogie and the junior footballers are one of the top teams in the city division.

    Dillons doing well too.

    Vincent's tipping away.

    Redmonds hanging in there I think.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,563 ✭✭✭The White Feather


    That was some win for Mourneabbey!!

    Game was swinging back and forth until the very end!!!


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 33,244 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    0-14 v 2-09 - Delighted for them, back to back All Ireland Champions !!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,424 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    Knew few growing up and delighted for them.

    A great club with great spirit and never say die attitude.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,166 ✭✭✭zetecescort


    Well done Mourneabbey. Kept going till the final whistle.

    Donoughmore's final will be on the LGFA facebook page tomorrow


  • Registered Users Posts: 924 ✭✭✭DiscoStew


    Across all the intermediate grades in Cork, how many teams take part in intermediate championship?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,559 ✭✭✭Mahony0509


    ShamoBuc wrote: »
    Delanys had a few rough years but they are beginning to thrive again. Underage has started again, a ladies team, girls underage mixed in with Vincent's for camogie and the junior footballers are one of the top teams in the city division.

    Dillons doing well too.

    Vincent's tipping away.

    Redmonds hanging in there I think.
    Dillons and Delanys trying to amalgamate.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 33,244 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    Mahony0509 wrote: »
    Dillons and Delanys trying to amalgamate.

    Really? Wouldn't have thought so. Dillons won the City Hurling championship last year I think while they were in the football final 2 or 3 years ago. Delanys are certainly on an upward curve over the last 5 years, seems a very strange amalgamation and the first I've heard of it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,166 ✭✭✭zetecescort


    Donoughmore win by 1 after extra time


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 33,244 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    Good day with Fr. O'Neills winning.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 508 ✭✭✭purpleisafruit


    DiscoStew wrote: »
    Across all the intermediate grades in Cork, how many teams take part in intermediate championship?
    2020 will have 28 teams playing intermediate football, 12 at Premier Intermediate and 16 at Intermediate A.
    Hurling will have 36 teams, 12 each at Premier Intermediate, Intermediate A and Lower Intermediate.
    This will be reduced to 24 teams total for each at the end of 2021. Lower Intermediate grade in Hurling will see all but the winners relegated ("The Lower Intermediate Hurling championship grade is to be abolished at the end of 2021 with all teams regraded to Junior.

    At the end of 2020, one team will be relegated from the new Lower Intermediate grade (5th grade). However, the Junior A winners from 2020 will go straight to Intermediate A (4th grade) along with Lower Intermediate winner (5th grade), with two teams relegated from Intermediate A (4th grade) to Lower Intermediate (5th grade).

    At the end of 2021, two teams will be relegated from the Intermediate A grade (4th grade) to Junior A, along with the remaining eleven teams in Lower Intermediate (5th grade). They will be replaced by the 2021 Lower Intermediate (5th grade) winners and by the 2021 Junior A winners.")

    Intermediate Football will be reduced from 16 to 12 teams in 2021 ("At the end 2021, the County Junior A champions will be promoted and 5 teams will be relegated from Intermediate A. These 5 teams will be selected as follows: the bottom team in each of the four groups along with a straight play-off involving the four 3rd placed teams to identify the fifth team to be relegated.")


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,044 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    Very good weekend for Cork GAA with Mourneabbey and Donoughmore winning All Irelands and Fr O'Neills winning the Munster Intermediate


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,559 ✭✭✭Mahony0509


    ShamoBuc wrote: »
    Really? Wouldn't have thought so. Dillons won the City Hurling championship last year I think while they were in the football final 2 or 3 years ago. Delanys are certainly on an upward curve over the last 5 years, seems a very strange amalgamation and the first I've heard of it.
    Yep, they are. Don't think it's going to be allowed though.


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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 33,244 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    Mahony0509 wrote: »
    Yep, they are. Don't think it's going to be allowed though.

    Found out there was talk of them amalgamating for hurling only, 99% certain it wont happen though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,166 ✭✭✭zetecescort


    disappointing to see there are no double headers for next years league schedule


    https://twitter.com/FiFinnymac/status/1199388686137344002

    https://twitter.com/FiFinnymac/status/1199387273743220737


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,044 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    ShamoBuc wrote: »
    Found out there was talk of them amalgamating for hurling only, 99% certain it wont happen though.

    Why is that?


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 33,244 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    Why is that?

    Probably because the emphasis is on football for a number of years. Hurlers need to regrade to junior B realistically where they can be more competitive. We were always more a football club historucally although we had a great hurling team that won the intermediate and went senior for a few years. Footballers are doing well for a few years now and numbers wise it's harder for the hurlers currently I think.
    We have a set up with Vincent's whereby our girls can play camogie with them and their girls can play football with us, seems to be working out ok.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,044 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    Would an amalgamation for those who want to play hurling not work?

    Funny enough if a joint amalgamation it would create a very strong team in both codes

    Delanys gave us an awful hammering in a JA friendly a few years ago when they won the City for the first time in ages

    Throw in few Dillons players and it would be stronger again

    I know they play underage together but there was almost an amalgamation between St Marys and Diarmuid O'Mathunas when John Corcoran (Bozo) was alive

    They would have been St Marys in Football and Diarmuid O'Mathunas in Hurling

    Something similar def could work if both clubs are serious


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 33,244 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    It possibly could but I reckon Dillons are happy with what they have. Dont know the exact details of what was discussed though.
    There are certainly clubs out there that would benefit from some form of an agreement/amalgamation and I can see a lot of advantages.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,559 ✭✭✭Mahony0509


    Don’t know if any of ye have been reading up on what Douglas GAA have been doing. Players are no way at fault. Managers and committee absolutely should be suspended. They’ve been doing that at all levels for years in Seandun.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,559 ✭✭✭Mahony0509


    ShamoBuc wrote: »
    It possibly could but I reckon Dillons are happy with what they have. Dont know the exact details of what was discussed though.
    There are certainly clubs out there that would benefit from some form of an agreement/amalgamation and I can see a lot of advantages.

    Dillons are only doing this because they could never win the county. They win all round them in Seandun and pump MASSIVE amounts of money into their A team but can never get past the county stages.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,166 ✭✭✭zetecescort


    Mahony0509 wrote: »
    Don’t know if any of ye have been reading up on what Douglas GAA have been doing. Players are no way at fault. Managers and committee absolutely should be suspended. They’ve been doing that at all levels for years in Seandun.

    not sure I'd give the players a completely free pass, they are 17/18 year olds not u12s. they should know the difference between A and B competitions.

    Any idea if the manager/coaches are current intercounty players?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 641 ✭✭✭sportsfan90


    I must have missed the Douglas situation. Can someone explain it please?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,559 ✭✭✭Mahony0509


    I must have missed the Douglas situation. Can someone explain it please?
    They fielded their premier Minor team (I think it was Minor) in the A or B final after winning the premier. They won the second final too. They got found out and got massive suspensions, from senior committee to the players.


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