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KevIRL · 14-10-2019 11:32am

Balbirnie out in 4th over

KevIRL · 14-10-2019 12:15pm

105/5 now after 14.3 overs. Wilson in the 30s

KevIRL · 14-10-2019 12:25pm

122/6 (16.1) Wilson on 44 now

KevIRL · 14-10-2019 12:29pm

Wilson out for 44

KevIRL · 14-10-2019 12:41pm

148/7 going into the last over

KevIRL · 14-10-2019 12:48pm

156/8 in the end. Better stuff from the lower order with Wilson getting 44 off 32, Adair 24 off 13 and Tector 21 off 20

KevIRL · 14-10-2019 1:10pm

Netherlands 21/0 after 3 overs

KevIRL · 14-10-2019 1:20pm

Delaney gets a badly needed wicket 37/1 after 5

KevIRL · 14-10-2019 1:52pm

Good bowling by Ireland has netherlands on 66/4 after 12

Ryan ten deschote still there though

KevIRL · 14-10-2019 3:20pm

Netherlands were all out for 126

KevIRL · 15-10-2019 12:13pm

Munsey flying in the warm up today. He's on 75 from 36 and Scotland 107/1 after 9

KevIRL · 15-10-2019 12:50pm

187/5 after 17

KevIRL · 15-10-2019 1:05pm

Scotland make 210/8

KevIRL · 15-10-2019 1:19pm

KOB out first ball. No Stirling today it looks like.

KevIRL · 15-10-2019 1:34pm

Delaney out 20.

BOHtox · 15-10-2019 1:41pm

Tector with 2 sixes in that over. 65/2 off 5.

RR: 13
Req RR: 9.77

Gonna be about wickets at this stage

BOHtox · 15-10-2019 1:44pm

12 off the next over. A pity there's nowhere to watch this it seems as it seems like it's a cracker

KevIRL · 15-10-2019 2:10pm

Tector out 22 off 9, Wilson out 22 off 14. Run rate is decent but not a lot left to support balbirnie, think the top order may have gone too hard too soon.

Balbirnie 50 up

KevIRL · 15-10-2019 2:13pm

Singh out. Nearly 11 an over required now

KevIRL · 15-10-2019 2:23pm

60 req from last 5overs

KevIRL · 15-10-2019 2:25pm

Balbirnie out 70 off 47 and that is that

KevIRL · 15-10-2019 2:30pm

Thompson out duck. Adair swinging now, surprised he wasn't ahead of Simi Singh in the batting order

KevIRL · 15-10-2019 2:34pm

25 runs off 17th over.

KevIRL · 15-10-2019 2:49pm

18 needed off 12.

KevIRL · 15-10-2019 2:50pm

6 from the last...

BOHtox · 15-10-2019 2:55pm

What the hell is happening? The ICC website is all over the place.

It says we hit a 4 in ball 4 to win but also in balls 5 and 6 were two wickets meaning we were all out

KevIRL · 15-10-2019 2:57pm

Looks like we won the game in the 4th ball of the last over but played the last two balls anyway

Superb stuff by Adair at the end there

Mysterypunter · 15-10-2019 2:57pm

BOHtox wrote: »

What the hell is happening? The ICC website is all over the place.

It says we hit a 4 in ball 4 to win but also in balls 5 and 6 were two wickets meaning we were all out

They might have bowled the last couple of balls, and finished the 20 overs happens sometimes in friendlies, this was an 11 a side out of 16 players.

Barney92 · 15-10-2019 3:00pm

I reckon the 4 given to Adair is a mistake and it was actually a dot. That would explain the run out off the last ball. I'm guessing Scotland won by a run in the end. Great effort by Adair either way though.

KevIRL · 15-10-2019 3:14pm

Barney92 wrote: »

I reckon the 4 given to Adair is a mistake and it was actually a dot. That would explain the run out off the last ball. I'm guessing Scotland won by a run in the end. Great effort by Adair either way though.

Looks like this is indeed the case

Quintis · 01-11-2019 5:23pm

Where does today's result leave us in regards qualification?

holidaysong · 01-11-2019 5:34pm

We'd qualified already at the weekend by topping our group.

KevIRL · 03-11-2019 1:02pm

Irelands group for t20 world cup is Sri Lanka, Oman and PNG.

Top two qualify for the super 12 phase.

KevIRL · 03-11-2019 1:04pm

We play Sri Lanka first then Oman before finishing with PNG

KevIRL · 08-11-2019 11:50am

Balbirnie the new test and ODI captain

riffmongous · 08-11-2019 12:03pm

KevIRL wrote: »

Balbirnie the new test and ODI captain

Finally, it was about 5 years overdue!!

BarryD2 · 08-11-2019 8:01pm

Change was very long overdue.

KevIRL · 29-11-2019 3:35pm

Tim murtagh retires from international cricket

KevIRL · 29-11-2019 3:39pm

KevIRL wrote: »

Balbirnie the new test and ODI captain

Confirmed t20 Capt today as well.

VillaMad · 29-11-2019 6:33pm

Sad to lose Murtagh but it was expected due to his age.

That is the last now that we will see of a current Irish international playing in English cricket and I wonder about the legalities around it. Ireland was given a two-year grace period from the ECB and after that the player would be seen as an overseas player of which any county could only have one.

Murtagh and Stirling both have British passports however, so I'm surprised that nobody challenged the ECB about this. You would imagine that it could have been from their point of view and that they shouldn't have had to made such a decision.

BOHtox · 05-12-2019 10:09pm

Squad for West Indies ODI and T20 in January.

https://www.cricketireland.ie/news/article/ireland-mens-squads-announced-for-west-indies-tour

The squads are:

ODI squad
• Andrew Balbirnie (Captain), Mark Adair, Gareth Delany, Andrew McBrine, Barry McCarthy, James McCollum, Kevin O’Brien, William Porterfield, Boyd Rankin, Simi Singh, Paul Stirling, Lorcan Tucker, Gary Wilson, Craig Young.

T20I squad
• Andrew Balbirnie (Captain), Mark Adair, Gareth Delany, George Dockrell, Josh Little, Barry McCarthy, Kevin O’Brien, Boyd Rankin, Simi Singh, Paul Stirling, Harry Tector, Lorcan Tucker, Gary Wilson, Craig Young.

Good to see Josh Little getting a call-up. No David Delany, another interview with him with Cricket Ireland said he's injured, needs to undergo surgery and then he's gonna put his head down for his last semester in college but he's hoping to get central contract after that. 17 players used in total, you'd imagine those 17 plus David Delany will get central contracts with maybe half a dozen development contracts to supplement that.

https://www.cricketeurope.com/DATABASE/ARTICLES2019/articles/000016/001634.shtml?976

KevIRL · 16-12-2019 3:38pm

https://www.cricketireland.ie/news/article/ci-confirm-2020-ftp-changes?fbclid=IwAR30_3CktpM8ES1haouGlyYiO7l8A8u3_LJ7JnR0gb2qAu1KFhnHBHSt318

This doesn't sound good at all

riffmongous · 16-12-2019 3:52pm

KevIRL wrote: »

https://www.cricketireland.ie/news/article/ci-confirm-2020-ftp-changes?fbclid=IwAR30_3CktpM8ES1haouGlyYiO7l8A8u3_LJ7JnR0gb2qAu1KFhnHBHSt318

This doesn't sound good at all

Sounds really bad alright.. losing the Test against Bangla is a big blow from a sporting POV.. totally understandable financially of course, but it's incredibly frustrating that after all the effort and success in getting Test cricket, now we can't afford to play it. It's always one step forward, one back

KevIRL · 18-12-2019 1:32pm

The Sri Lanka tour next year postponed now as well

MrKingsley · 18-12-2019 1:52pm

Ah here this is becoming a joke already

dulpit · 18-12-2019 2:14pm

Seems it's not to do with funding per se, but a lack of broadcasting partner: https://www.rte.ie/sport/cricket/2019/1218/1101912-irelands-tour-of-sri-lanka-is-postponed/

ICC regulations require that all Tests are broadcast and tour was not part of SLC's original broadcast agreement, which was concluded in 2013.

Cricket Ireland have agreed to SLC's request to reschedule the tour to a later date to ensure that the proposed one-off Test match will come under the next broadcast agreement, which SLC is planning to sign with a prospective partner during the year 2020.

The date for that rescheduled match will be announced in due course.

wicorthered · 18-12-2019 2:22pm

I had a long held belief that chasing the test cricket dream was nothing more than an ego trip from the CEO and others, the last two days have proved that.

Outside of India, England and Australia interest in test cricket is on the wane, and has been for years. How many top players retire from test cricket to focus on white ball cricket? Attendances and TV coverage are down, the public in general want T20 or ODI cricket. Hosting test matches is expensive and crowds don't come through the gate to covet the cost. Look how often traditional nations play tests, it's very rare!

Despite all the above CI in it's wisdom chased the test dream. It was completely unrealistic. If South Africa and Pakistan with years of cricketing culture can't make test cricket viable how can Ireland, a country where cricket is a minority sport? Where did Duetrom think CI would get the money for the overhaul of infrastructure? The money for a proper domestic competition? The money for players contracts? The ICC were never going to fund all that overnight. Why didn't CI focus all the limited resources on helping the limited overs side continue to grow. Instead resources were stretched too thinly, the fear of using meant youth never got a chance and we've stagnated to the extent several associates have overtaken us. Look at Scotland, they never bothered with the test cricket fantasy, instead they focused on T20 and 50 over cricket and are now better than us.

Deutrom and co wanted their day in Lords, there was no thought as to how realistic test cricket was for Ireland. We're reaping that today. Two tests cancelled in two days, no idea or plan for when Ireland will ever play a test again? Was that morning at Lords all they wanted?

wicorthered · 18-12-2019 2:26pm

dulpit wrote: »

Seems it's not to do with funding per se, but a lack of broadcasting partner: https://www.rte.ie/sport/cricket/2019/1218/1101912-irelands-tour-of-sri-lanka-is-postponed/

It's all the same thing. Funding comes from broadcasters. Who would want to pay for an Ireland test match? How many would watch it? No one wants to host Ireland, it would run at a massive loss, why would you. Do you think Sri lanka would cancel England or India. Even Bangladesh with it's cricket mad population are way more appealing as tourists

Richard Hillman · 18-12-2019 3:31pm

Are we even a test nation anymore?

BOHtox · 18-12-2019 11:26pm

wicorthered wrote: »

I had a long held belief that chasing the test cricket dream was nothing more than an ego trip from the CEO and others, the last two days have proved that.

Outside of India, England and Australia interest in test cricket is on the wane, and has been for years. How many top players retire from test cricket to focus on white ball cricket? Attendances and TV coverage are down, the public in general want T20 or ODI cricket. Hosting test matches is expensive and crowds don't come through the gate to covet the cost. Look how often traditional nations play tests, it's very rare!

Despite all the above CI in it's wisdom chased the test dream. It was completely unrealistic. If South Africa and Pakistan with years of cricketing culture can't make test cricket viable how can Ireland, a country where cricket is a minority sport? Where did Deutrom think CI would get the money for the overhaul of infrastructure? The money for a proper domestic competition? The money for players contracts? The ICC were never going to fund all that overnight. Why didn't CI focus all the limited resources on helping the limited overs side continue to grow. Instead resources were stretched too thinly, the fear of using meant youth never got a chance and we've stagnated to the extent several associates have overtaken us. Look at Scotland, they never bothered with the test cricket fantasy, instead they focused on T20 and 50 over cricket and are now better than us.

Deutrom and co wanted their day in Lords, there was no thought as to how realistic test cricket was for Ireland. We're reaping that today. Two tests cancelled in two days, no idea or plan for when Ireland will ever play a test again? Was that morning at Lords all they wanted?

TBF, I think a lot of that is revisionism. To quote the late Brian Lenihan "We all partied", we all wanted Test Cricket, we all had the optimism to believe Ireland could be a reasonably successful test cricket team. To have a test team that didn't get trounced every time it played, to not lose our best players to England, to have a decent domestic game here etc. Those were and still are the aims.

There's two issues I can see here in terms of future funding.
1) Government funding. I'm not sure what it is at the level of funding is atm, but could it be more? The participation has increased massively over the last decade or so, has funding increased in line with that? Can the government help us with a national stadium, facilities for the domestic game, or a subsidy to the national team to allow men and women and boys and girls team to tour and play at an elite level?

2) A European cricket league. We need a strong domestic game. We need this Euro T20 slam to go ahead. We need it to go broader than that. We need to take the 6 teams that were due to play in it and make a 4-day league where they play each other home and away, and then a one day game where they play a 50 over game, as well as the T20 tournament. Sell TV rights to sky, to Australian TV networks, to sub-continent TV networks. Try sell sponsorship deals. At least this way we could organically raise money for the 3 European nations, apart from England, as well as having tournaments where the elite play the elite on a regular basis.

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