GRO Records

pinkypinky · 09-01-2020 12:05pm

These were additional but obviously would have been carved out of pre-existing ones. There are some changes to names on independence (Parsonstown to Birr comes to mind) but they are almost identical now.

Here's a complete list:
https://www.irish-genealogy-toolkit.com/Ireland-civil-registration.html

montgo · 09-01-2020 4:14pm

It is great that we have some new records to check through.

I have just looked at the Civil & Church records of an 1868 marriage. The reason I checked was that Margaret was recorded as 17 yrs old & James 22yrs old. I would have thought that something should have been noted on church marriage record about her age? What was the law back then?

In actual fact, the witnesses are different of both records. The witnesses were Mack (maybe MacNamara) & O'Brien on the church record & the civil record is showing Gleeson & Cunningham. All four witnesses were related to the married couple.

pinkypinky · 30-01-2020 11:33pm

Noticed something new on Irishgenealogy just now.

A marriage where it says the image is not available but they then provide a full transcript.

Hermy · 31-01-2020 12:30am

I've come across a few of those recently myself.

Sam Beckett is one that caught my eye.

But I was able to find the image in the system the usual circuitous way.

pinkypinky · 31-01-2020 11:32am

Hoping that the next leap, will be the leap home...

Hermy · 31-01-2020 11:44am

You must go on. I can't go on. I'll go on.

Alan259 · 17-04-2020 7:28pm

There was a piece on the RTÉ six o'clock news this evening about electronic birth registration.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0417/1132190-baby-registration/

What was very interesting though, was they showed the Registrar General TJ Fleming with some of the original historic birth records. They were large separate pages kept in an archival box.

I always assumed that they would have preserved the original volume but I'm glad to learn the pages are kept loose and separate.

CassieManson · 17-04-2020 11:04pm

Yes I saw that they looked really big.

Future genealogists will miss out on the fun we have trying to decipher the old records.

Hermy · 17-04-2020 11:21pm

The real shame is that we don't get to view the original registers from the local offices but instead the handwritten copies which were sent to head office in Dublin.

BowWow · 18-04-2020 3:50pm

Wonder if we asked nicely would the GRO give us the first quarter listings from 1920(Births), 1945(Marriages) and 1970(Deaths)?

Lots of online stuff being made available to make the lockdown more bearable...

pinkypinky · 18-04-2020 4:07pm

Not a chance. Far too complicated* to just hive off one quarter of the year and upload.

*not complicated, just unlikely.

Hermy · 18-04-2020 4:50pm

Lets hope they finish off the deaths back to 1864 before too long.
At least then they've caught up with the arrears and issuing the subsequent records each new year becomes less complicated.

VirginiaB · 18-04-2020 5:47pm

I fervently second that--the oldest records' priority. There is so little available for that time period.

pinkypinky · 18-04-2020 6:13pm

I've no inside scoop but I'd hope they'll release those deaths this year.

However, GRO staff have been reallocated and when they get back to work, there'll be a backlog of marriages to process and there's the already reported 4000 babies unregistered so I doubt they will be prioritising deaths from the 1860s/70s.

Hermy · 18-04-2020 6:14pm

Those babies will just have to wait.

pinkypinky · 18-04-2020 8:03pm

It's not like they can make demands....

VirginiaB · 18-04-2020 9:19pm

Can't they do the current registrations remotely?

pinkypinky · 19-04-2020 11:30am

Yes, they've only started this though and it's just for births.

I am presuming no marriages are taking place at the moment at all, which will massively skew the stats for the first quarter of the year and maybe the second.

mindhorn · 25-05-2020 5:46pm

I have my references ready for entries I can find online but a query about the specific and general searches. Is there much point in going for a specific search if I can't find it on a number of sites I'm signed up to? I know it's only 2 euro for the specific search but more asking about whether it's worthwhile since would it not have been recorded on these sites.

And how does the specific search work, as in how long would it typically take if you have all the necessary details?

Yes, I've never been to the GRO before.

pinkypinky · 25-05-2020 6:05pm

I think it's worth asking for a manual check.

The online indexes and what's on irishgenealogy.ie are great but there's still scope for an omission.

I haven't asked for a search in a long time but it was a few days - I'm not sure whether they're running as normal yet. I haven't done any online orders, but I understand the research room is open? I'm too far from there to go in.

mindhorn · 25-05-2020 6:20pm

A few days for a search and you were equipped with a date/placename/etc?

I'll give them a shout in the morning as I think they've limited opening hours at the moment.

pinkypinky · 25-05-2020 7:23pm

I had names (it was a marriage) and a rough decade. They weren't able to find it.
Later discovered it in the UK.

mindhorn · 26-05-2020 11:28am

They might be closed for the week as I tried calling yesterday and today but no answer. Also popped by and the gates were locked.

pinkypinky · 15-06-2020 1:28pm

Update to the reading room setup, which is reopened now.

https://www.irishgenealogynews.com/2020/06/gro-research-room-in-dublin-reopens.html

Hermy · 15-06-2020 1:36pm

One appointment in the morning and one in the afternoon.

They may as well leave it closed and put their efforts into a better online service.

KildareFan · 15-06-2020 2:13pm

Hermy wrote: »

One appointment in the morning and one in the afternoon.

They may as well leave it closed and put their efforts into a better online service.

Absolutely ridiculous to call that a service. I was so thankful when most of the records I needed moved online. The only research possible in the so called research room is to either pay €20 for a full days searching of the printed indexes or €2 to search five volumes [if my memory serves me well]. There are no computers in the room which could be used for any other type of research.

Having one solitary person searching at a time is a farce - the room is huge and could easily accommodate many more.

As Hermy says - let them concentrate on providing an online service and forget the so called research room for the time being.

pinkypinky · 15-06-2020 4:31pm

I wonder do they mean one slot in the morning/afternoon, rather than one person only.

It's a massive space.

crossman47 · 15-06-2020 11:13pm

pinkypinky wrote: »

I wonder do they mean one slot in the morning/afternoon, rather than one person only.

It's a massive space.

That would be my impression too.

Hermy · 15-06-2020 11:56pm

pinkypinky wrote: »

I wonder do they mean one slot in the morning/afternoon, rather than one person only.

It's a massive space.

I would hope that is what they mean but Claire Santry seems to think otherwise.

pinkypinky · 16-06-2020 9:38am

Yes, I was talking to her about it.

I suspect we won't know until someone tries it.

KK Supercats · 16-06-2020 8:10pm

I have an appointment for 2.00 tomorrow afternoon. Will let you know the set up once I have finished in the research room.

pinkypinky · 18-06-2020 5:51pm

How did you get on?

tabbey · 19-06-2020 4:57pm

pinkypinky wrote: »

Update to the reading room setup, which is reopened now.

https://www.irishgenealogynews.com/2020/06/gro-research-room-in-dublin-reopens.html

The NLI and NAI also plan on opening by appointment only, from 29 June.

To be fair to the NLI, at least it sends emails advising users of the plan; while the NAI does not. I only found out from a member of NAI staff who happened to enter the building as I passed. Indeed the NAI was the only public repository which did not have a Covid notice on the door throughout the lockdown.

The changes needed for the GRO, NAI and NLI are minimal, hand sanitisers and a degree of social distancing. Unfortunately bureaucratic bodies are prone to use any excuse / circumstance to restrict public service.
The real danger is that after other restrictions have been relaxed, the national institutions will leave them in place long-term.

spurious · 04-08-2020 8:25pm

Just on the GRO and appointments etc.. If you need to search the indexes by all means get an appointment, but if you email in your references year/volume/page etc., my experience has been that they have them back in a couple of hours.
Someone rings you when they are ready and sorts out online payment and then they email you your requested records.

Please provide the following details

Births

Child’s Forename and Surname and one of the following

Date of Birth, Place of Birth, Mother’s Maiden Name.
Year, Qtr, Vol, Page Number
Group Registration Number

Deaths

Deceased’s Forename and Surname and one of the following

Date of Death, Place of Death. Approximate age at the time of death.
Year, Qtr, Vol, Page Number
Group Registration Number

Marriages

Bride’s Forename and Surname and /or Groom’s Forename and Surname and one of the following.

Date of Marriage, Place of Marriage,
Year, Qtr, Vol, Page Number
Group Registration Number

Fee per copy is €4.00

Please email any requests for copies to GROResearchRoom@welfare.ie

Please provide a contact telephone number and postal address.

As soon as they are processed a staff member will email you and ask that you call

+353 (0)1 8940080 to process card payment.

Once card payment has been authorised your copies will be sent to you via email or by post.

pinkypinky · 04-08-2020 10:40pm

I've been waiting 3 weeks for one I've ordered directly from Roscommon.

I'll be doing the above from now on!

SophieLockhart · 11-08-2020 5:15pm

Is Michael Collins death certificate available would anyone know? I've searched '1922' and 'aged 31' or '32' for all years but it's not showing.

pinkypinky · 11-08-2020 8:05pm

It might have been registered late - a lot of revolutionary figures weren't registered until this century.

I'd call the GRO on the phone and ask.

Hermy · 20-08-2020 7:46am

A regular contributor to the IGP Dublin Facebook page has just posted these links to the civil death records of some of those executed in the aftermath of the 1916 Rising, whose deaths were not registered until the year 2000.

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1916/020453/7178614.pdf

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1916/020453/7178615.pdf

pinkypinky · 20-08-2020 12:18pm

I used the reading room email yesterday to get a copy cert - I had it within an hour. Amazing. And they're planning to keep this service up.

BowWow · 06-01-2021 1:42pm

Hopefully the Births(1920), Marriages(1945) and Deaths(1970) will issue before this weekend.
Last year's upload was on the 8th. January.

pinkypinky · 06-01-2021 1:45pm

That would be great, but I think wildly optimistic!

Mick Tator · 06-01-2021 2:12pm

The scans of the earliest records would be far more beneficial (especially to me!:D)

VirginiaB · 06-01-2021 3:56pm

That makes two of us. The oldest death records are often the only link to the late 1700s and early 1800s. Hoping for soon.

BowWow · 01-02-2021 1:18pm

BowWow wrote: »

Hopefully the Births(1920), Marriages(1945) and Deaths(1970) will issue before this weekend.
Last year's upload was on the 8th. January.

Only 3 weeks out

https://www.irishgenealogynews.com/2021/02/irishgenealogyie-adds-rolling-year-of.html

p15574 · 02-02-2021 10:14am

A 1920 birth I've been waiting on is there alright, but no image. They should have images, shouldn't they?

Edit: I thought I might be able to find another one from the same month for the area (Caherciveen) and navigate to it that way, but none of them appear to have images

Hermy · 02-02-2021 10:19am

If there's no image it might be that other entries on the same page are outside the 100 years cut off.
Is the birth you're interested in from late in the year?

If that's not the case you can sometimes get around this by searching the indexes at Family Search for other entries from the same date and location and then looking up those entries at Irish Genealogy.

L1011 · 02-02-2021 10:20am

Seem to remember a December '18 birth in my family had no image til 2020 due to a late registration and being on a page of 1919 ones; it definitely happens.

p15574 · 02-02-2021 11:59am

Hermy wrote: »

If there's no image it might be that other entries on the same page are outside the 100 years cut off.
Is the birth you're interested in from late in the year?

It's from October 23, but I've just searched for any birth in Cahirciveen for 1920 - there are 374 of them. I've checked ones from January and they have no images either. Some of them (including those for dates after my one) have transcripts - a message at the bottom saying "As no image is available, please click here to view a transcript of the register entry.", but unfortunately, not my one.

Maybe they're just updating bit by bit, I'll try again in a few weeks.

Waitsian · 11-02-2021 11:14pm

I was doing some local history research and came across this snippet in the Newry Reporter dated Nov 25, 1869. The dialogue was taken from a meeting of the Newry Board of Guardians. It demonstrates what we already know - an unwillingness, a reluctance to use, maybe in some cases an ignorance, of the new BMD registration system. They seem to have decided to make a few examples; crack the whip.

Thought it would just be something to interest everyone.

pinkypinky · 12-02-2021 1:04pm

That's really interesting to see. Thanks for sharing.

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