S2S Cycleway - northside

On Topic, I'm looking forward to this new cycleway, will be a nice spin from end to the other, and thank goodness the piece of road at the wooden bridge will be dealt with.

buffalo wrote: »

Just because it's "handy" doesn't mean it's the best way of doing things. Private driveways and garages, public car parks, and proper parking/loading bays all have a part to play. As well as encouraging people to cycle or use public transport.

The problem with on-street parking is most apparent when the bus lane on the Camden-Georges Street stretch is full of parked cars in the evening, and traffic is bumper to bumper. There's not enough room for a cyclist to get by, never mind about the congestion it's causing. A little further out, look at Ranelagh. Here's a wonderful village, stuffed full of parked cars instead of having wider paths for people to enjoy. Or this example near Terenure: http://goo.gl/maps/UOkGJ

If you're heading somewhere that requires you to bring a car, that destination should have ample parking - like a school, say. If there's not enough parking, more should be provided, or alternatives to avoid clogging up the roads.

What about my friend's house? his house requires me to travel by car. Must he provide multiple parking spaces if he wants a guest to arrive by car? Am I not allowed travel by car to place if private parking is not provided?


Get some perspective man, you're talking complete tosh.

Incidentally I've lived in Ranelagh my entire life, we need more parking there not wider paths.

buffalo wrote: »

What is it about his house that requires you to travel by car? Is it in some quantum zone that will only accept a four-wheeled private vehicle?

It is of a distance from my house which precludes walking or cycling and is not serviced by public transport. Also it is my entirely legally held right to travel by whichever lawful means I choose. I choose to travel by my "four-Wheeled private vehicle."

markpb wrote: »

What if he has 2 on-street parking spaces and you're the third car to arrive? What do you do then?

I find the nearest available space, what else would I do?

buffalo wrote: »

I'm not denying you can choose how to travel, but that's my point - it's a choice. Not a requirement. If you choose to travel by private car to somewhere that doesn't have proper parking, that's your choice. I just don't see why I have to put up with your car on the road when you've made that choice. I'm aware that it's sanctioned and your entirely legally held right to do so in certain places, but I don't understand why.

Here's another prime example of bad on-street parking: http://goo.gl/maps/cNgBF The Audi has pulled in to let the Google car pass. It works wonderfully as a traffic-calming measure, but add a slow cyclist and you suddenly have impatient motorists revving their engines and overtaking dangerously.

Also I'd be interested to know what distance is too far for bike, as judging by any thread on here entitled, "Will I able to cycle from x to y?", the answer is usually in the positive.

Cars and vehicles are of great benefit and utility (you may not agree of course and you may not like it but society wouldn't function without them), it increases that benefit and utility to allow people to park in certain public places (just as it increases public utility to prevent parking in certain places), ultimately to the benefit of everyone. Being able to park outside their home means people are better able to travel and be more productive, being able to park outside places of business means increased economic activity. These are just representative of the reasons why you should "Put up" with my or anyone else's car on the road.

I'm not suggesting People should be allowed park badly so your example with the Audi is not entirely relevant, I am staggered by the suggestions on this thread that the very concept of parking vehicle's on the street is somehow unreasonable or unjustified.

As for the too far question, if I'm transporting a fancy and expensive birthday cake 100 meters might be too far where as, if I were trialing some sweet new gear 100Kms might not be far enough

I'm sorry that you feel inconvenience by on street parking but as you yourself have pointed out, that inconvenience is borne out by the necessary utility on street parking provides.

The fact is that onstreet parking is regarded with a critical eye, a highly critical eye, that's what double yellow lines were invented for. To take the example you gave earlier of Ranelagh, there is very limited parking on the mainstreet of the village during the Day, parking only becomes available in the evening, the same is true all over Dublin City and the country.

I would suggest that the level of inconvenience that you actually have to "put up with" because of this, is in fact minimal, particularly in residential circumstances. On street parking in appropriate areas is a public amenity, one that you choose not to avail of.

I have no issue with parking being prevented on the strand road where necessary, what I do find bizarre is the suggestion that the ownership and use of vehicles should be restricted to those who are in a position to store them privately at all times.

HivemindXX wrote: »

That would be a bizarre suggestion. Is anyone making it?

It is a simple fact that on street parking is a privilege not a right. As you correctly pointed out it can be taken away by a couple of yellow lines. Some people seem to have a problem accepting this. Whether the on street parking should be removed in this specific case is debatable but whether it would be legal to do so is not.

As is my reading of the thread, yes repeatedly. A coupekl of posters seemed to be of the opinion that parking private motor vehicles in public areas should not be permitted in any circumstances.