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11 yr/old drag kid worshiped within LGBTQ community (Mod warning op)

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  • #2552
    TheValeyard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,729 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    silverharp wrote: »
    There is certainly something iffy with parts of the Trans movement, kids are getting radicalized by the internet and sent down paths by so called professionals that they ought not be

    It will go full circle. I'd say a large number of kids will take legal action against these groups when they are adults.

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • #2553
    LessOutragePlz
    Registered Users Posts: 1,363 ✭✭✭LessOutragePlz


    silverharp wrote: »
    There is certainly something iffy with parts of the Trans movement, kids are getting radicalized by the internet and sent down paths by so called professionals that they ought not be

    Yeah for sure giving kids puberty blockers is wrong imo.


  • #2554
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    LessOutragePlz wrote: »
    Yeah for sure giving kids puberty blockers is wrong imo.

    Puberty should not be suppressed due to the belief of a child.

    Where does the line end when it comes to allowing a child to make life altering decisions?

    Amputation? Tattoos? Cosmetic surgery?

    Even contemplating allowing a child to choose their "gender" and modifying their body to conform to that is absurd at best and criminal at worst.


  • #2555
    keano_afc
    Registered Users Posts: 8,711 ✭✭✭keano_afc


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Puberty should not be suppressed due to the belief of a child.

    Where does the line end when it comes to allowing a child to make life altering decisions?

    Amputation? Tattoos? Cosmetic surgery?

    Even contemplating allowing a child to choose their "gender" and modifying their body to conform to that is absurd at best and criminal at worst.

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  • #2556
    CtevenSrowder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,909 ✭✭✭CtevenSrowder


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    Plus numerous hysterical posts calling me a Groomer and Paedophile and suggesting I actively support child abuse were deleted. It's laughable the attempts to deny this hysteria now.

    You would be an apologist for any trans-movement regardless if it was or wasn't. I mean you think it's ok for men to be locked up with women as long as they self id as female, even if these self-id'd women are sex offenders.


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  • #2557
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,104 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    CtevenSrowder wrote: »
    You would be an apologist for any trans-movement regardless if it was or wasn't. I mean you think it's ok for men to be locked up with women as long as they self id as female, even if these self-id'd women are sex offenders.

    :pac::pac::pac:

    You're making lies up

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #2558
    CtevenSrowder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,909 ✭✭✭CtevenSrowder


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    :pac::pac::pac:

    You're making lies up

    I am not. You are in favour of self-id'd trans-women (regardless of whether they have transitioned) being allowed to be housed with female inmates are you not?


  • #2559
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,104 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    CtevenSrowder wrote: »
    I am not.

    You are lying about me. :rolleyes:

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #2560
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    You are lying about me. :rolleyes:

    I’m pleasantly surprised if you do recognise that transgender rights and sex-based rights are in conflict in some areas.


  • #2561
    CtevenSrowder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,909 ✭✭✭CtevenSrowder


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    You are lying about me. :rolleyes:

    Ofcouse you have selectively edited my post so as to not answer the question. I knew you would, because you are ok with biological male sex offenders being housed with women. You just don't want to admit it. Simple as.

    When it comes to anything trans you are an apologist. It doesn't matter what an individual does or a group does, you will make excuses and engage in all kinds of deflection, which as someone earlier on pointed out does far more harm to your cause then good.


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  • #2562
    NegativeCreep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,351 ✭✭✭NegativeCreep


    I’m gay and a fan of drag and think this is disgusting. And you’ll find a lot of drag queens don’t agree with it at all and have said many times that drag is not for children to watch or partake in.


  • #2563
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    NegativeCreep wrote: »
    I’m gay and a fan of drag and think this is disgusting. And you’ll find a lot of drag queens don’t agree with it at all and have said many times that drag is not for children to watch or partake in.

    It’s just... weird. I don’t care if that makes me sound like Helen Lovejoy. Maybe it’s coloured by the fact that drag queens are just not my thing. I don’t really enjoy the whole schtick. But I don’t think that’s it. It’s that it just seems like adult entertainment to me. People often say “but what about pantomimes!” but the difference is more in the words than the appearance. Drag acts generally make bawdy jokes. I have no doubt Desmond was exposed to a lot of age-inappropriate material. And another difference between pantomime characters and drag queens is that with drag queens, the costumes are way more sexualised.


  • #2564
    NegativeCreep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,351 ✭✭✭NegativeCreep


    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »
    It’s just... weird. I don’t care if that makes me sound like Helen Lovejoy. Maybe it’s coloured by the fact that drag queens are just not my thing. I don’t really enjoy the whole schtick. But I don’t think that’s it. It’s that it just seems like adult entertainment to me. People often say “but what about pantomimes!” but the difference is more in the words than the appearance. Drag acts generally make bawdy jokes. I have no doubt Desmond was exposed to a lot of age-inappropriate material. And another difference between pantomime characters and drag queens is that with drag queens, the costumes are way more sexualised.

    Yeah you’re right. Pantomime is silly and the jokes are aimed at kids (I assume. Never actually seen one). Drag is overtly and inherently sexual in my opinion and should not involve kids.


  • #2565
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    NegativeCreep wrote: »
    Yeah you’re right. Pantomime is silly and the jokes are aimed at kids (I assume. Never actually seen one). Drag is overtly and inherently sexual in my opinion and should not involve kids.

    And proud of it. :pac: Theres nothing wrong with it but it’s for adults!

    With the whole drag queen story time, I just don’t know what being dressed that way brings to the storytelling. I once heard a library storyteller weigh in on this topic. She put it really well. She said that the storyteller is the frame and the story is the picture. She said she sometimes uses props but only sparingly. The focus should be on the story. I also heard a drag queen storyteller say that being dressed up helps to keep children interested. I thought “Mate, if you can’t keep children absorbed in the story, then it might not be the right job for you”. The best storytellers, who are the people who should be reading to kids, are able to hold their interest without gimmicks. Indeed, being dressed loudly might pull children out of the story. I just don’t get it. I guess this makes me Mary Whitehouse.


  • #2566
    NegativeCreep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,351 ✭✭✭NegativeCreep


    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »
    And proud of it. :pac: Theres nothing wrong with it but it’s for adults!

    With the whole drag queen story time, I just don’t know what being dressed that way brings to the storytelling. I once heard a library storyteller weigh in on this topic. She put it really well. She said that the storyteller is the frame and the story is the picture. She said she sometimes uses props but only sparingly. The focus should be on the story. I also heard a drag queen storyteller say that being dressed up helps to keep children interested. I thought “Mate, if you can’t keep children absorbed in the story, then it might not be the right job for you”. The best storytellers, who are the people who should be reading to kids, are able to hold their interest without gimmicks. Indeed, being dressed loudly might pull children out of the story. I just don’t get it. I guess this makes me Mary Whitehouse.

    Actually the drag story time or whatever I think is nothing other than parents falling over themselves to make themselves look more progressive than other parents. The kids don’t care, it’s the parents who care. It’s exclusive to certain areas in America and just wouldn’t happen here as it makes no sense and no one would be interested. I don’t think kids would even realise it was a drag queen telling the story unless the parents told them, they wouldn’t question it.


  • #2567
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    NegativeCreep wrote: »
    Actually the drag story time or whatever I think is nothing other than parents falling over themselves to make themselves look more progressive than other parents. The kids don’t care, it’s the parents who care. It’s exclusive to certain areas in America and just wouldn’t happen here as it makes no sense and no one would be interested. I don’t think kids would even realise it was a drag queen telling the story unless the parents told them, they wouldn’t question it.

    Oh, it was going to happen here! But I believe it didn’t go ahead in the end.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/drag-storytelling-event-for-children-cancelled-due-to-degrading-comments-1.3861377?mode=amp

    https://amp.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/dublin-council-criticised-after-cancelling-drag-storytelling-event-917953.html

    The Irish Times seemed to go with the slant that it was cancelled due to bigotry.


  • #2568
    NegativeCreep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,351 ✭✭✭NegativeCreep


    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »
    Oh, it was going to happen here! But I believe it didn’t go ahead in the end.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/drag-storytelling-event-for-children-cancelled-due-to-degrading-comments-1.3861377?mode=amp

    https://amp.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/dublin-council-criticised-after-cancelling-drag-storytelling-event-917953.html

    The Irish Times seemed to go with the slant that it was cancelled due to bigotry.

    Maybe bigotry, maybe lack of interest. Either way I’m glad it didn’t go ahead!


  • #2569
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    NegativeCreep wrote: »
    Maybe bigotry, maybe lack of interest. Either way I’m glad it didn’t go ahead!

    I do think that lack of interest could be a big factor. I don’t know anyone who would bring their kids to that event. I agree it’s more about the parents than the kids.

    Quite a few have happened in the UK though.


  • #2570
    keano_afc
    Registered Users Posts: 8,711 ✭✭✭keano_afc


    NegativeCreep wrote: »
    Actually the drag story time or whatever I think is nothing other than parents falling over themselves to make themselves look more progressive than other parents. The kids don’t care, it’s the parents who care. It’s exclusive to certain areas in America and just wouldn’t happen here as it makes no sense and no one would be interested. I don’t think kids would even realise it was a drag queen telling the story unless the parents told them, they wouldn’t question it.

    https://www.thejournal.ie/drag-storytelling-4592228-Apr2019/

    They tried to do it here but thankfully it was cancelled.

    The library behaved pretty poorly from start to finish. They only cancelled after pressure from parents. When they cancelled, they sent out an entirely reasonable tweet saying "Glitter Hole" were not the type of act they wanted in the library. A few hours later, that tweet was deleted and the story of "online abuse" emerged as the reason for cancellation. Someone obviously got to them.


  • #2571
    Sir Oxman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,492 ✭✭✭Sir Oxman


    UK civil service is beginning to speak out publicly about the total capture and underhand nature of that capture by the likes of st*newall and the myriad now publicly funded 'trans' exclusive 'LGBT+++' orgs
    Govt, unis, police and corporates chasing paid 'badges', paid 'courses' and crushing of any dissent are being held to account and queried publicly.
    'Trans Toolkits' about to be delivered by 'trainers' of these orgs in UK schools now deemed possibly illegal and now being dropped by education councils across the UK - that one took a 14 year old girl with her parents backing to achieve despite the absolute pillorying of her in the alphabet soup media and twittersphere.
    Exposure of exactly who, what, where and why designed the 'diversity' sex training for schools is happening.
    The upsurge in TRA calls for *women* questioning the cult within Labour UK to be expelled no less, is ramping up.

    Hopefully, genuinely dysphoric people will get the varied and correct treatments instead of the the blind affirmation prompted by an erroneous underhand queer theory backed cult which has so blurred the term trans that AGPs, transvestites, fetishists etc are now considered to be covered by actual law. (Hint, they aren't)

    After all, if they abolish sex (which they erroneoulsy omit in their countrywide 'training'), women cannot be heard from again.

    Ireland really needs to step up to the plate.

    PS Not forgetting the blatant homophoibc gaslighting of LGB people - telling them they are 'transphobic' for being same-sex attracted.
    The new st*newall term is 'gender-attracted'.
    These are not for LGB people.


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  • #2572
    Tokyo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,655 ✭✭✭✭Tokyo


    Mod: Last batch of off topic posts removed. If you're going to accuse someone of lying or misrepresenting the truth, back it up with some form of evidence or don't post.


  • #2573
    FVP3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭FVP3


    NegativeCreep wrote: »
    Yeah you’re right. Pantomime is silly and the jokes are aimed at kids (I assume. Never actually seen one). Drag is overtly and inherently sexual in my opinion and should not involve kids.

    Yeh Pantomime and men dressing up as women ( generally ugly sisters) is a long running tradition with no overt ( but some covert for the adults) sexuality. It's fine.


  • #2574
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    Sir Oxman wrote: »
    UK civil service is beginning to speak out publicly about the total capture and underhand nature of that capture by the likes of st*newall and the myriad now publicly funded 'trans' exclusive 'LGBT+++' orgs
    Govt, unis, police and corporates chasing paid 'badges', paid 'courses' and crushing of any dissent are being held to account and queried publicly.
    'Trans Toolkits' about to be delivered by 'trainers' of these orgs in UK schools now deemed possibly illegal and now being dropped by education councils across the UK - that one took a 14 year old girl with her parents backing to achieve despite the absolute pillorying of her in the alphabet soup media and twittersphere.
    Exposure of exactly who, what, where and why designed the 'diversity' sex training for schools is happening.
    The upsurge in TRA calls for *women* questioning the cult within Labour UK to be expelled no less, is ramping up.

    That girl and the three teenagers in Connecticut going to court over their sex-based rights have my full admiration. Especially the Connecticut girls who have put their names out there. No doubt they have received hate for it.

    But isn’t it kind of shitty that it’s come to this, where it’s left to teenagers to challenge this stuff? Where the hell are the adults gone?


  • #2575
    Silentcorner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,535 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »
    That girl and the three teenagers in Connecticut going to court over their sex-based rights have my full admiration. Especially the Connecticut girls who have put their names out there. No doubt they have received hate for it.

    But isn’t it kind of shitty that it’s come to this, where it’s left to teenagers to challenge this stuff? Where the hell are the adults gone?

    Well...straight white men can't touch it...


  • #2576
    Lefty Bicek
    Registered Users Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭Lefty Bicek


    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »
    That girl and the three teenagers in Connecticut going to court over their sex-based rights have my full admiration. Especially the Connecticut girls who have put their names out there. No doubt they have received hate for it.

    But isn’t it kind of shitty that it’s come to this, where it’s left to teenagers to challenge this stuff? Where the hell are the adults gone?

    They're in the library.

    And not in a good way.


  • #2577
    Lefty Bicek
    Registered Users Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭Lefty Bicek


    Silentcorner wrote: »
    Well...straight white men can't touch it...

    We are now at the stage where radical feminists can't touch it either.

    'TERF' - what a load of ordure.


  • #2578
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    Lefty Bicek wrote: »
    We are now at the stage where radical feminists can't touch it either.

    'TERF' - what a load of ordure.

    The TERF slogan is so moronic. As is the accusation that if you oppose any of this, you are either a TERF or far-right. If you look at the (few) people who speak out, some are old school lefties, some aren’t feminists of any description. Yes, there are some radical feminists and right wingers too but the people interested in fighting for the preservation of sex-based rights are greatly varied.


  • #2579
    Silentcorner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,535 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    Lefty Bicek wrote: »
    We are now at the stage where radical feminists can't touch it either.

    'TERF' - what a load of ordure.

    Don't radical feminists believe that gender is a social construct?...a social construct imposed by the patriarchy.


  • #2580
    One eyed Jack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,203 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »
    That girl and the three teenagers in Connecticut going to court over their sex-based rights have my full admiration. Especially the Connecticut girls who have put their names out there. No doubt they have received hate for it.

    But isn’t it kind of shitty that it’s come to this, where it’s left to teenagers to challenge this stuff? Where the hell are the adults gone?


    It’s not being left to teenagers to challenge this stuff? They’re being represented by their mothers who have now been joined by an organisation called Alliance Defending Freedom in taking their case against Connecticut Association of Schools to the District Court in Connecticut -


    ADF sues Connecticut for letting trans girls compete in high school sports


    Using your own rationale, it’s equally shìtty that teenagers are having to argue that according to both equality legislation in Connecticut and Title IX federal law, they have a right to compete in female athletics and not be subjected to sex discrimination (neither Connecticut equality legislation nor federal law makes the same distinction you do between sex and gender).

    All of the teenagers involved have had their names put out there, and no doubt all of them will have received hate, and indeed as demonstrated above - plenty of people falling over themselves to support them too.


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  • #2581
    Lefty Bicek
    Registered Users Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭Lefty Bicek


    Silentcorner wrote: »
    Don't radical feminists believe that gender is a social construct?...a social construct imposed by the patriarchy.

    What gets them in trouble though, is their insistence that a woman, is an 'adult human female'.


  • #2582
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    You have a sex, you have a sexual preference. You don't have a gender. Wishing to be something you are not doesn't make it so.


  • #2583
    Sir Oxman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,492 ✭✭✭Sir Oxman


    Another Sunday, another high level 'no-platforming' by st*newall and it's sneaky usurpers on various committees in the UK.
    Ireland, wake up.

    https://twitter.com/BluskyeAllison/status/1264463616524406795?s=20

    https://twitter.com/ProfAliceS/status/1264410821943230464?s=20


  • #2584
    silverharp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,673 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    Lefty Bicek wrote: »
    What gets them in trouble though, is their insistence that a woman, is an 'adult human female'.

    That's radical ? :D

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • #2585
    CtevenSrowder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,909 ✭✭✭CtevenSrowder


    Sir Oxman wrote: »
    Another Sunday, another high level 'no-platforming' by st*newall and it's sneaky usurpers on various committees in the UK.
    Ireland, wake up.

    https://twitter.com/BluskyeAllison/status/1264463616524406795?s=20

    https://twitter.com/ProfAliceS/status/1264410821943230464?s=20

    Fair play to her.


  • #2586
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    Rise Of The Simps wrote: »
    It's sad that violent rapists are being transferred to women's prisons and that young girls will have to share changing rooms with creepy men in drag, but it's what even sadder is that most women just blindly supported the lgbt movement. I suppose losing your rights is better than being accused of being bigoted.

    You made your bed ladies.

    Feminists are split on this topic actually and have been for a long time. And then there are plenty of women who don’t call themselves feminists who are concerned. In your schadenfreude, do any of these women get any consideration? You don’t seem to find it that sad. Otherwise you wouldn’t be dismissing the concerns of many women.


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  • #2587
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    Rise Of The Simps wrote: »
    I feel bad for all the young girls who be molested in the changing rooms by trans 'women'. But, most women are liberal and 'progressive' and now you have to deal with a reality where a rapist called 'Karen' was sent to a female prison, where women are not allowed express dissenting opinions and where soon men will dominate female sports.

    Maybe you should have listened to us conservative white men? Sorrynotsorry.

    Many feminists fought for sex-based rights and spaces. Objecting to biological males in the places protected by sex-based rights is entirely consistent with what they fought for. There’s no conflict there.


  • #2588
    Silentcorner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,535 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »
    Many feminists fought for sex-based rights and spaces. Objecting to biological males in the places protected by sex-based rights is entirely consistent with what they fought for. There’s no conflict there.

    And many feminists believe that gender is a social construct imposed by a patriarchal society....this split was inevitable in feminism because a large percentage of them had a lot more in mind than "equality".

    Feminists also spent years invading male only spaces with great success....if they haven't made this s##tstorm they provided all the wind necessary to take it to mainstream society, here we are!


  • #2589
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    Silentcorner wrote: »
    And many feminists believe that gender is a social construct imposed by a patriarchal society....this split was inevitable in feminism because a large percentage of them had a lot more in mind than "equality".

    Feminists also spent years invading male only spaces with great success....if they haven't made this s##tstorm they provided all the wind necessary to take it to mainstream society, here we are!

    Like men only golf clubs and the like? Whilst I agree that there should be spaces where men can congregate without women and things like men only clubs should be allowed, it’s a bit different to having single sex spaces based on the physical differences between males and females (a physical difference that very few people have ever denied). The people opposed to the erosion of sex-based spaces are a varied bunch: men, women, some feminists, left-wing people, right wing people. With such a wide spread of objectors, it’s almost like this is a snafu of big proportions. Petty politics being brought up is pretty churlish when you consider that.


  • #2590
    qo2cj1dsne8y4k
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,646 ✭✭✭✭qo2cj1dsne8y4k


    I think men only and women only clubs should be perfectly acceptable to be honest. I remember attending a gym years ago, curves I think it was called, that was women only.
    If men want to have a men only golf club, I don’t see the big deal. I mean we have itsforwomen car insurance now they legally have to insure men too, but if a company set itself up as it just being for me there would be uproar. This isn’t equality.


  • #2591
    Silentcorner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,535 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »
    Like men only golf clubs and the like? Whilst I agree that there should be spaces where men can congregate without women and things like men only clubs should be allowed, it’s a bit different to having single sex spaces based on the physical differences between males and females (a physical difference that very few people have ever denied). The people opposed to the erosion of sex-based spaces are a varied bunch: men, women, some feminists, left-wing people, right wing people. With such a wide spread of objectors, it’s almost like this is a snafu of big proportions. Petty politics being brought up is pretty churlish when you consider that.

    It's actually churlish to dismiss the impact of a lot of feminist gender theory in this issue, they have played a massive part in all of this...it is dividing the UK Labour Party as we speak...we can expect to see a bearded lady winning olympic gold in the not too distant future....they are already in womens prisons in the UK.


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  • #2592
    One eyed Jack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,203 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    Rise Of The Simps wrote: »
    I feel bad for all the young girls who be molested in the changing rooms by trans 'women'. But, most women are liberal and 'progressive' and now you have to deal with a reality where a rapist called 'Karen' was sent to a female prison, where women are not allowed express dissenting opinions and where soon men will dominate female sports.


    I don’t know where you get the idea that most women are liberal and progressive? For example in the US Presidential election, half of the voters who voted in favour of Donald Trump as opposed to Hillary Clinton were women -


    The real 'shy Trump' vote - how 53% of white women pushed him to victory

    Rise Of The Simps wrote: »
    Maybe you should have listened to us conservative white men? Sorrynotsorry.


    Like who, Caitlyn Jenner?

    No, I didn’t think so.


  • #2593
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
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    Silentcorner wrote: »
    It's actually churlish to dismiss the impact of a lot of feminist gender theory in this issue, they have played a massive part in all of this...it is dividing the UK Labour Party as we speak...we can expect to see a bearded lady winning olympic gold in the not too distant future....they are already in womens prisons in the UK.

    I’m well aware of all that. You were the who brought up male spaces. You can’t bring it up and expect the comparison to be left unanalysed. You know well that the concerns are about women in vulnerable situations.
    Rise Of The Simps wrote: »
    Too late. If you speak out now you're a 'terf', you're a bigot. If you're JK Rowling and you've made millions then you're safe but for the average woman, well it could be game over for your career.

    Don't get me wrong, I hate the trans cult but it's part of the progress you wanted.

    I don’t think it’s too late at all. There are actually people starting to speak out. Not just JK Rowling. There’ll be a tipping point where people will be fed up of it all and speak out en masse. They can’t all get fired. We don’t need to accept this. And weirdly, just at a time when feminism had achieved its goals, it’s now needed again due to the erosion of sex-based rights by trans rights activists, even bringing women who were long since disillusioned with feminism back into the fold.


  • #2594
    keano_afc
    Registered Users Posts: 8,711 ✭✭✭keano_afc


    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »
    I’m well aware of all that. You were the who brought up male spaces. You can’t bring it up and expect the comparison to be left unanalysed. You know well that the concerns are about women in vulnerable situations.



    I don’t think it’s too late at all. There are actually people starting to speak out. Not just JK Rowling. There’ll be a tipping point where people will be fed up of it all and speak out en masse. They can’t all get fired. We don’t need to accept this. And weirdly, just at a time when feminism had achieved its goals, it’s now needed again due to the erosion of sex-based rights by trans rights activists, even bringing women who were long since disillusioned with feminism back into the fold.

    It is starting to happen, thankfully, but those who speak out need to be brave. Look what happened to Martina Navratilova. Sharron Davies has been targeted too. They both dug in though, and thats whats important. TRAs are dangerous people, so it would be much easier to back down and recant. These women need to be supported.


  • #2595
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
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    keano_afc wrote: »
    It is starting to happen, thankfully, but those who speak out need to be brave. Look what happened to Martina Navratilova. Sharron Davies has been targeted too. They both dug in though, and thats whats important. TRAs are dangerous people, so it would be much easier to back down and recant. These women need to be supported.

    The thing is, they do seem to have a lot of support amongst the general public but they are fighting institutions and that’s what makes it hard. But in the last few weeks, there have been some positive developments, with the questioning of what primary school children are being taught about gender identity in the UK being met with pushback.


  • #2596
    FVP3
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    I don't see how feminist theory of social construction has caused any of this, it seems to come from a different space altogether. After all Caitlyn Jenner was both biologically and socially constructed as a male.


  • #2597
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    FVP3 wrote: »
    I don't see how feminist theory of social construction has caused any of this, it seems to come from a different space altogether. After all Caitlyn Jenner was both biologically and socially constructed as a male.

    I think, think, that the argument that Caitlyn Jenner was always a woman but Bruce was a man?

    But that's the nebulous interpretation quagmire surrounding such things. For one hundred different examples, there can be 100 different expectations of how people would prefer to be addressed, treated or what specific sex based rights/benefits they expect.


  • #2598
    FVP3
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    A wise man once described the whole thing as transubstantiation but for humans.


  • #2599
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    FVP3 wrote: »
    A wise man once described the whole thing as transubstantiation but for humans.

    I’ve also heard it described as LARP, which I had to google. :pac::o


  • #2600
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    FVP3 wrote: »
    A wise man once described the whole thing as transubstantiation but for humans.

    I don't attend mass because i can not bring myself to believe patently impossible things.

    I have neither the time nor the inclination to lie to myself and the world around me in order to validate a tiny amount of people's view of themselves.


  • #2601
    Sir Oxman
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    Our own Greens, captured by an ideology cannot mention either girls or women in this lovely piece.
    I remember when the word 'period' was unmentionable, now it's factually biologically observed women/girls that are the 'unmentionables'
    Must keep up the delusion, must earn those points.

    Of course, this applies to every single main party in Ireland captured by an illiterate, unscientific delusionary very much minority supported 'be kind but fcuk the clash of rights' ideology.
    https://twitter.com/cathmartingreen/status/1266038986864287744?s=20


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