UFC 251 - Usman vs Masvidal Sat July 11th

Tazzimus · 13-07-2020 9:19am

Didn't he reply to Hendo's tweet mid fight as well? Multi tasking at it's finest.

rob316 · 13-07-2020 10:16am

John_D80 wrote: »

Judges scorecard showed that it was the 5th round and not the 3rd that split them.

All three judges gave 1 & 2 to Holloway, 3 & 4 to Volkanovski.

Ya I can't understand that, I had a Volkanovski for the 5th without a doubt. Anyway calls for robbery are ridiculous, it was 1 round in a razor close fight. Hope they do a 3rd soon but its unlikely.

ricero · 14-07-2020 1:19pm

1.3 million ppv buys.

Masvidal is a certified box office star.

US2 · 14-07-2020 1:20pm

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ricero wrote: »

1.3 million ppv buys.

Masvidal is a certified box office star.

Nothing to do with 3 title fights. Fight island and the pandemic?

ricero · 14-07-2020 1:24pm

US2 wrote: »

Nothing to do with 3 title fights. Fight island and the pandemic?

As far as I know the social media trends point to Masvidal as being the main reason.

I expect a bmf title rematch this year which can further cement Masvidal as number 2 box office draw to Mcgregor for the Ufc.

US2 · 14-07-2020 1:27pm

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ricero wrote: »

As far as I know the social media trends point to Masvidal as being the main reason.

I expect a bmf title rematch this year which can further cement Masvidal as number 2 box office draw to Mcgregor for the Ufc.

Would love to see him fight McGregor instead, couldn't see anyway Nate beats Jorge.

rob316 · 14-07-2020 2:11pm

Masvidal definitely a big draw, where do you go with him now though?

Him and McGregor would break all records I think, the build up would be insane but Masvidal would batter him. Easily the best boxer in the UFC

14-07-2020 2:18pm

Aldo by KO/TKO

rob316 wrote: »

I get sex sells but surely that's it for Van Zandt, she has no business in the UFC. She do well in the WWE with no risk of damaging her pretty face.

I think she'll be kept around a while yet. She was on Dancing with the Stars and some other big show in the US recently. Dana loves that kind of mainstream attention.

She's 8-5 which isn't the most insulting record around, there are quite a few with much worse.

I do agree though, she's not good enough.

14-07-2020 2:20pm

Aldo by KO/TKO

McGregor vs. Masvidal has to be the fight to make.

I personally have the square root of zero interest in seeing Nate against either of them again.

Mellor · 14-07-2020 2:52pm

Aldo by KO/TKO

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I think she'll be kept around a while yet. She was on Dancing with the Stars and some other big show in the US recently. Dana loves that kind of mainstream attention.

She's 8-5 which isn't the most insulting record around, there are quite a few with much worse.

I do agree though, she's not good enough.

She has said she will testing free agency after this match.

14-07-2020 2:53pm

Aldo by KO/TKO

Mellor wrote: »

She has said she will testing free agency after this match.

Ahhh, hadn't heard that.

Tazzimus · 14-07-2020 2:54pm

Dana also said she should try it, so he doesn't sound massively interested in keeping her around.

riffmongous · 14-07-2020 9:48pm

ricero wrote: »

As far as I know the social media trends point to Masvidal as being the main reason.

I expect a bmf title rematch this year which can further cement Masvidal as number 2 box office draw to Mcgregor for the Ufc.

If that's true, I wonder if his terrible performance in the fight will damage his attraction now?

Tazzimus · 14-07-2020 10:37pm

riffmongous wrote: »

If that's true, I wonder if his terrible performance in the fight will damage his attraction now?

Doubt it, all they have to say is he took it on 6 days notice. If anything the 6 days thing benefited him, now he's in a decent position to look for a rematch soon ish and can have a full camp this time.

Esse85 · 14-07-2020 10:57pm

riffmongous wrote: »

If that's true, I wonder if his terrible performance in the fight will damage his attraction now?

You think Masvidal performed terribly?

eagle eye · 14-07-2020 11:20pm

Esse85 wrote:

You think Masvidal performed terribly?

He was completely dominated, so much so that Usman was just able to comfortably win rounds and not try too hard for takedowns.

Esse85 · 14-07-2020 11:24pm

eagle eye wrote: »

He was completely dominated, so much so that Usman was just able to comfortably win rounds and not try too hard for takedowns.

He had 6 days notice, travelled to another continent to fight, lost 22 pounds in that time. Lasted the 5 rounds.

To say he "performed terribly" taking the true facts above into consideration is absolute ridiculous.

MrStuffins · 15-07-2020 12:52am

eagle eye wrote: »

He was completely dominated, so much so that Usman was just able to comfortably win rounds and not try too hard for takedowns.

I don't think it affected his stock negatively.

He took the fight on 6 days notice, had to take all sorts of tests, all sorts of flights, had to cut around 25 lbs, hadn't been in camp.......

He's a risk-taker who lost to a guy who wouldn't risk crossing the road unless there was a traffic warden there. And even then he'd probably foot-stomp the poor f*cker 73 times before looking both ways.

Fans see it for what it is. He took a shot and missed, but he was freerolling. His next fight will be a draw and I wouldn't be surprised if it was a rematch.

Mellor · 15-07-2020 1:37am

Aldo by KO/TKO

He amount he cut seems to be growing by the day.

He performed exactly was expected. Any fans of the sport will understand.
However, any casual fans tuning in for the hype of a big fight. After seeing maybe his KO of Askren, and the match with Dias, will look at that fight negatively. They either won't know or won't understand the short notice aspect.

riffmongous · 15-07-2020 2:21am

Esse85 wrote: »

He had 6 days notice, travelled to another continent to fight, lost 22 pounds in that time. Lasted the 5 rounds.

To say he "performed terribly" taking the true facts above into consideration is absolute ridiculous.

Those are explanations/excuses for why he performed terribly, they don't change the fact that he offered little in the fight after the first round and we watched the BMF let himself be held against the cage and have his toes stood on for literally half the fight.

Yeah sure most dedicated fans can see it for what it was and look past it and all that BMF bullsh*t, but they'll watch everything anyway, now if I'm paying PPV money specifically to see him, then yeah that was terrible

US2 · 15-07-2020 3:35am

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riffmongous wrote: »

Those are explanations/excuses for why he performed terribly, they don't change the fact that he offered little in the fight after the first round and we watched the BMF let himself be held against the cage and have his toes stood on for literally half the fight.

Yeah sure most dedicated fans can see it for what it was and look past it and all that BMF bullsh*t, but they'll watch everything anyway, now if I'm paying PPV money specifically to see him, then yeah that was terrible

Any one who watches any bit of mma knew the outcome of that fight. When you have 1.3 million buys the majority don't know anything about MMA though and would see that as a terrible performance by Jorge.

Personally I think ppv buys is a completely useless metric in this day of free streaming.

bmcc10 · 15-07-2020 3:45am

rob316 wrote: »

Masvidal Easily the best boxer in the UFC

No he isn't where has this notion came from?

Mellor · 15-07-2020 5:17am

Aldo by KO/TKO

US2 wrote: »

Personally I think ppv buys is a completely useless metric in this day of free streaming.

Why do you think that?

MidlanderMan · 15-07-2020 6:04am

rob316 wrote: »

Easily the best boxer in the UFC

Cody Garbrandt wants to know how much crack are you smoking?

Esse85 · 15-07-2020 7:38am

riffmongous wrote: »

Those are explanations/excuses for why he performed terribly, they don't change the fact that he offered little in the fight after the first round and we watched the BMF let himself be held against the cage and have his toes stood on for literally half the fight.

Yeah sure most dedicated fans can see it for what it was and look past it and all that BMF bullsh*t, but they'll watch everything anyway, now if I'm paying PPV money specifically to see him, then yeah that was terrible

He wasn't terrible, he still went the distance, lasted the 5 rounds, had enough of a defense game to protect himself from serious damage, against the champion, who had a full fight camp to prepare.
If he was terrible as you claim, he'd not of went the distance and taken multiple damage due to his inability to defend himself.

riffmongous · 15-07-2020 11:27am

Esse85 wrote: »

He wasn't terrible, he still went the distance, lasted the 5 rounds, had enough of a defense game to protect himself from serious damage, against the champion, who had a full fight camp to prepare.
If he was terrible as you claim, he'd not of went the distance and taken multiple damage due to his inability to defend himself.

That had more to do with Usman not being interested in actually doing anything other than stepping on his toes, and Masvidal just let him.

riffmongous · 15-07-2020 11:30am

US2 wrote: »

Any one who watches any bit of mma knew the outcome of that fight. When you have 1.3 million buys the majority don't know anything about MMA though and would see that as a terrible performance by Jorge.

Personally I think ppv buys is a completely useless metric in this day of free streaming.

1.3m is big though, I agree when it comes to the smaller numbers maybe but it's still indicative of something special going on when you get near the 1 million mark.

US2 · 15-07-2020 12:41pm

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More fights tonight only realised that now

Beersmith · 15-07-2020 12:45pm

How is it a useless metric? Surely it is the only one that matters to the ufc??? They don't make money off free streaming! High PPV buy equals more money for them and for the fighters who are the draws.

US2 · 15-07-2020 12:51pm

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Beersmith wrote: »

How is it a useless metric? Surely it is the only one that matters to the ufc??? They don't make money off free streaming! High PPV buy equals more money for them and for the fighters who are the draws.

Useless as In how many people are actually tuning in to watch. Obviously it tells you how much money is being brought in

Esse85 · 15-07-2020 12:53pm

riffmongous wrote: »

That had more to do with Usman not being interested in actually doing anything other than stepping on his toes, and Masvidal just let him.

So all he did was stamp on Masvidals toes was it?
Why didn't he try take Masvidal down for ground and pound?

Oh wait, he was trying that and it didn't work.

mdwexford · 15-07-2020 12:58pm

Usman deserves a lot of credit for even taking the fight. Six days notice vs a completely different style of opponent. Plenty have and would have turned that fight down.

The fight itself was boring and I expected more from Jorge. He had nothing to offer after round 1 which I felt he won.

Mellor · 15-07-2020 1:38pm

Aldo by KO/TKO

US2 wrote: »

Useless as In how many people are actually tuning in to watch. Obviously it tells you how much money is being brought in

It's not supposed to be a measure of the amount of people that watched.
It's a measure of the amount of people who paid to watch it.

It's probably a fair assumption that real viewers are proportional to paid viewers. anyway. As in one PPV sells 500k, and another 1m. That the real viewers in including streams/live venues are still going to be double for the second.

rob316 · 15-07-2020 1:51pm

MidlanderMan wrote: »

Cody Garbrandt wants to know how much crack are you smoking?

Actually forgot about Cody, and Holm of course. But point stands he's one of the best boxers in the UFC.

US2 · 15-07-2020 2:04pm

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rob316 wrote: »

Actually forgot about Cody, and Holm of course. But point stands he's one of the best boxers in the UFC.

Are ye purposely leaving out McGregor?

MidlanderMan · 15-07-2020 2:56pm

US2 wrote: »

Are ye purposely leaving out McGregor?

Conor is nowhere near Cody's level of boxing.

Nobody has Cody's hand speed, foot work, shot selection, coordination or power in lb for lb terms.

Until he gets clipped and loses the rag and runs forward with his chin up.

Mellor · 15-07-2020 3:02pm

Aldo by KO/TKO

MidlanderMan wrote: »

Nobody has Cody's hand speed, foot work, shot selection, coordination or power in lb for lb terms. .

Many people would say those are all Conor outlying strengths also.
And comparison is completely subjective.

Tazzimus · 15-07-2020 3:20pm

MidlanderMan wrote: »

Nobody has Cody's hand speed, foot work, shot selection, coordination or power in lb for lb terms.

Conor absolutely has those in spades, as well as fantastic distance management and balance.

bmcc10 · 15-07-2020 3:31pm

Calvin Katter too his boxing is high level

MUFC91CS · 15-07-2020 10:43pm

rob316 wrote: »

Actually forgot about Cody, and Holm of course. But point stands he's one of the best boxers in the UFC.

I know its true but I find it very hard to believe Holm was a world champion boxer

mailburner · 15-07-2020 11:03pm

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riffmongous wrote: »

That had more to do with Usman not being interested in actually doing anything other than stepping on his toes, and Masvidal just let him.

I think camp or no camp usman is just a terrible match up for masvidal and I hope they never fight each other again as it'll be much of the same

Usman I'm guessing will sell less ppvs in his next 3 combined than this
one after that performance
It's a pity fighters don't think about this but I'm guessing winning is
the be all...

The ufc on the other hand must have been disgusted after giving
in to Masvidals demands and then having to watch that

Mellor · 16-07-2020 5:24am

Aldo by KO/TKO

MUFC91CS wrote: »

I know its true but I find it very hard to believe Holm was a world champion boxer

It's not hard to believe on the basis that the standard in womens boxing is poor, especially so 16 years ago. Womens pro titles were only established. All of the titles she picked up were either inaugural or vacant belts.*

Look at the locations of her fights - most are in her hometown of Albuquerque. And only 3 were outside of New Mexico. Local hero type world champ. Nowhere near the level of the current crop.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holly_Holm#Professional_boxing_career

*Edit: She lost a title, and won in back in a rematch. That the only time she faced an incumbant champ in 24 title fights.

Holm was a good female boxer for that era. But she isn't even top 3 in the UFC right now. Let alone including the men.

Beersmith · 16-07-2020 8:17am

mailburner wrote: »

I think camp or no camp usman is just a terrible match up for masvidal and I hope they never fight each other again as it'll be much of the same

Usman I'm guessing will sell less ppvs in his next 3 combined than this
one after that performance
It's a pity fighters don't think about this but I'm guessing winning is
the be all...

The ufc on the other hand must have been disgusted after giving
in to Masvidals demands and then having to watch that

Doubt they were disgusted. Looks like by paying him and having the fight they made many more millions. They don't care about much else

yourdeadwright · 16-07-2020 2:57pm

Aldo by KO/TKO

MidlanderMan wrote: »

Conor is nowhere near Cody's level of boxing.

Nobody has Cody's hand speed, foot work, shot selection, coordination or power in lb for lb terms.

Until he gets clipped and loses the rag and runs forward with his chin up.

Well that's a load of sh*T

Its like saying I'm a fantastic soccer player until I get tackled,

In a boxing match your going to get hit ,When Coady gets hit he gets dropped,
You also point out he loses his composure another HUGE part of boxing ,

Its like saying my Aunt had balls she's be my Uncle , Coady missing some of the most vital parts of a brilliant boxing skill set ,

US2 · 16-07-2020 3:44pm

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yourdeadwright wrote: »

Well that's a load of sh*T

Its like saying I'm a fantastic soccer player until I get tackled,

In a boxing match your going to get hit ,When Coady gets hit he gets dropped,
You also point out he loses his composure another HUGE part of boxing ,

Its like saying my Aunt had balls she's be my Uncle , Coady missing some of the most vital parts of a brilliant boxing skill set ,

Yep. It wasn't even worth replying too.

MidlanderMan · 16-07-2020 9:26pm

Dry your eyes lads.

On skills basis, Cody Garbrandt is levels above Conor's boxing.

People spent years talking about Cruz's footwork, movement, boxing and head movement, Cody made him look like he was in the wrong sport.

Still Ill · 16-07-2020 10:21pm

Maybe in offensive boxing? Always considered not getting KO'd one of the key skills in boxing myself. Maybe that's just me though.

Beersmith · 16-07-2020 10:55pm

MidlanderMan wrote: »

Dry your eyes lads.

On skills basis, Cody Garbrandt is levels above Conor's boxing.

People spent years talking about Cruz's footwork, movement, boxing and head movement, Cody made him look like he was in the wrong sport.

There was something seriously wrong with cruz for that fight

derfderf · 16-07-2020 11:43pm

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Well that's a load of sh*T

Its like saying I'm a fantastic soccer player until I get tackled,

In a boxing match your going to get hit ,When Coady gets hit he gets dropped,
You also point out he loses his composure another HUGE part of boxing ,

Its like saying my Aunt had balls she's be my Uncle , Coady missing some of the most vital parts of a brilliant boxing skill set ,

It's not even when he loses his composure. I saw a video comparing him and TJ early in the first fight. When Tj swings a left hook, his right hand comes up to block his chin. Same the other side. Really disciplined.
Cody was not doing that at all.

Even though the last knockout was spectacular, he wasn't defending. And Assuncao was first to land, but he was off target. Won't always happen that way.

D.Q · 17-07-2020 12:55am

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Beersmith wrote: »

There was something seriously wrong with cruz for that fight

He stunk of cigarettes and alcohol tbh

UFC 251 - Usman vs Masvidal Sat July 11th

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