IONITY - charging / fees / tips

Silent Running · 30-04-2020 11:49am

Black_Knight wrote: »

Wonder why the North West has been ignored in general. Ecars have given it very little love too.

DrPhilG lives there.

unkel · 30-04-2020 12:16pm

Black_Knight wrote: »

Wonder why the North West has been ignored in general. Ecars have given it very little love too.

The lowest population density in Ireland? The lowest income per capita area in Ireland?

digiman · 30-04-2020 12:35pm

The NW badly needs something at one of the 2 petrol stations in Cavan. I found out there is a 50kW charger outside Enniskillen which I will use on my next trip up whenever we are allowed again. There is one 50kW charger outside Donegal town which I’ve used but always worried someone is going to be there as there is only the one charger.

Thankfully I can make it up without having to charge but when I arrive I only have about 50km left which is not ideal if you have to make some trips when you arrive there.

slave1 · 30-04-2020 12:46pm

digiman wrote: »

The NW badly needs something at one of the 2 petrol stations in Cavan. I found out there is a 50kW charger outside Enniskillen which I will use on my next trip up whenever we are allowed again....

Thankfully I can make it up without having to charge but when I arrive I only have about 50km left which is not ideal if you have to make some trips when you arrive there.

Do not depend on that charger, twice I've gone to use it, both times out of order and both times listed on the ESB app as working.
Granted that was before their new app....

ELM327 · 30-04-2020 12:57pm

I found the Enniskillen FCP very unreliable in the past too

MJohnston · 30-04-2020 1:47pm

ELM327 wrote: »

It's more northern than anything else (southern, western etc)

If you want something in "the 6" then there aren't really any good service stations of any size past newry

It may be more northern than anything else, but the poster specifically said the guy said "Northern Ireland", not the north.

On the Dublin-Belfast route, I'd say there are a few places that could accommodate Ionity:
* The Boulevard in Banbridge (formerly The Outlet)
* On-line Circle K just north of Banbridge (a smallish site right now, but it has an eCars FCP right now, and there's plenty of space for expansion)
* Sprucefield
* The aforementioned on-line Applegreen service stations on the M1 between Lisburn and Blacks Road.

ELM327 · 30-04-2020 2:42pm

Ionity tend to favor online circle k positions, so I'd probably suggest the banbridge one based on that

fricatus · 30-04-2020 8:53pm

ELM327 wrote: »

Between Gorey, Cashel, Athlone, 2*m7 kill, and citynorth they've pretty much everywhere bar the NW black hole covered.
If they put one to the west of the North of Ireland, then they will have almost 100% island coverage

Nothing at all on the south coast corridor (N25/N22) or west coast corridor (N20/M18/M17)

ELM327 · 01-05-2020 9:58am

Not sure they'd have the worthwhile usage?

Black_Knight · 06-05-2020 2:26pm

Seems Maingau now support credit card payments. Just got an email from them.
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The app crashes when I got to the payments screen

irishgrover · 06-05-2020 2:29pm

Black_Knight wrote:

Seems Maingau now support credit card payments. Just got an email from them. . . . . The app crashes when I got to the payments screen

Exact same here

WattsUp · 06-05-2020 2:44pm

Same here. It does seem to allow adding credit card on desktop site without the crash

ELM327 · 06-05-2020 2:56pm

I just have it set up from my bank account, don't like using the credit cards!

Kramer · 06-05-2020 3:37pm

ELM327 wrote: »

I just have it set up from my bank account, don't like using the credit cards!

I'd be exactly the opposite - far safer using a credit card in my experience. Once a company have permission to debit a bank account, it's far more difficult to recoup funds should anything go wrong.

ELM327 · 06-05-2020 3:45pm

Kramer wrote: »

I'd be exactly the opposite - far safer using a credit card in my experience. Once a company have permission to debit a bank account, it's far more difficult to recoup funds should anything go wrong.

You have 4 weeks unquestioned right to revoke any payment taken by SEPA for any reason or none, and up to 8 weeks if you have a valid reason.

Credit cards you have to go through the chargeback process which is not quick.

Black_Knight · 06-05-2020 3:54pm

I emailed them about it. Dunno how active they'll be about it though, never dealt with their dev contact process before.

Kramer · 06-05-2020 4:37pm

ELM327 wrote: »

You have 4 weeks unquestioned right to revoke any payment taken by SEPA for any reason or none, and up to 8 weeks if you have a valid reason

Yes, in an ideal world.
I did have an issue a few years ago where a major company refused to refund an incorrectly taken debit.
The bank refused to reverse it too & when I complained to the BPFI, they accepted misconduct by both the company & bank.
The company went on to ignore further instructions from the BPFI, ignored all comms & didn't give a f<uK.

The bank eventually refunded the payment "as a gesture of goodwill" :rolleyes:.

I've no trust in the Irish banking system :mad:.

unkel · 06-05-2020 6:32pm

Kramer wrote: »

Yes, in an ideal world.
I did have an issue a few years ago

The legislation ELM327 is referring to is relatively new. Your situation probably happened before these changes were made

Marlow · 06-05-2020 6:44pm

Kramer wrote: »

The bank eventually refunded the payment "as a gesture of goodwill" :rolleyes:.

I've no trust in the Irish banking system :mad:.

That would have been previous to SEPA. There is a clear ruleset since SEPA superseeded the original Direct Debit system. And those rules can't be negotiated by the bank. It's under EU banking laws.

The rules ELM327 refers to are the SEPA rules. They are the ones that count and have to be adhered to. Before that it was very wishy washy, when it came to irish banks. Most of the time, because they couldn't be bothered, even though there was legislation for them to do it. But you had to know, where to find it and then point their noses at it.

/M

Kramer · 06-05-2020 9:13pm

unkel wrote: »

The legislation ELM327 is referring to is relatively new. (

No, it's not that long ago really - the direct debit rules were in place but just ignored by the bank & company who originated the debit.
Everyone just washed their hands of it.

It's not as if banks would ever flout the rules now is it?

As with all these rules, they are only as good as how they are enforced & here, well, let's just say there's the Irish way & then there's the right way

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Anyway, it's good to have the option of a credit card for Maingau I reckon but isn't is 79c/kWh now?
Expensive

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Black_Knight · 06-05-2020 9:27pm

Kramer wrote: »

Anyway, it's good to have the option of a credit card for Maingau I reckon but isn't is 79c/kWh now?
Expensive .

Not as far as I can see.
https://www.maingau-energie.de/e-mobilit%C3%A4t/Autostrom-Tarif

Kramer · 06-05-2020 9:41pm

Yep, still shows 40c/kWh on the app & 10c/min after 61 minutes.

Marlow · 06-05-2020 10:59pm

Kramer wrote: »

Anyway, it's good to have the option of a credit card for Maingau I reckon but isn't is 79c/kWh now?
Expensive .

No. Maingau made it clear that they stick to their pricing model. So it is still the same as before the Ionity hike.

/M

charlieIRL · 07-05-2020 10:44am

I've my manigau account linked to my card in the app for months now, think i had the option when i set it up last November.

Black_Knight · 13-05-2020 10:15am

ewj1978 wrote: »

Population density?

As for the north there's the 2 new service stations between Belfast and Lisburn that only opened last year.

unkel wrote: »

The lowest population density in Ireland? The lowest income per capita area in Ireland?

Pretty clear upon seeing this:

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/ireland/comments/giec85/counties_of_ireland_by_population/

MJohnston · 13-05-2020 10:59am

Population density is kind of unimportant to charger station placement. In fact, it might be a very counter-productive stat to use, at least for fast chargers. You shouldn't simply place chargers where people live, but also where they want to go.

Some of the least-densely populated parts of Ireland are also the most popular with tourism. And if you can't reach those areas with an EV, that's a huge problem.

KCross · 13-05-2020 11:01am

MJohnston wrote: »

Population density is kind of unimportant to charger station placement. In fact, it might be a very counter-productive stat to use, at least for fast chargers. You shouldn't simply place chargers where people live, but also where they want to go.

Some of the least-densely populated parts of Ireland are also the most popular with tourism. And if you can't reach those areas with an EV, that's a huge problem.

Kerry is a prime example of that. One rapid down there which seriously limits your ability to spin around the county in an EV.

ELM327 · 13-05-2020 11:02am

You ideally want to put fast chargers in an area of less population density, but beside one or more areas (within ~100-150) of population density. And with a reason to travel at the other end. EG putting a fast charger in Cashel for Ionity. Beside a tourist area, and near enough to Galway, Cork and Dublin.

bodgerfederer · 13-05-2020 11:22am

MJohnston wrote: »

Population density is kind of unimportant to charger station placement. In fact, it might be a very counter-productive stat to use, at least for fast chargers. You shouldn't simply place chargers where people live, but also where they want to go.

Some of the least-densely populated parts of Ireland are also the most popular with tourism. And if you can't reach those areas with an EV, that's a huge problem.

Exactly this. As my foreign holiday is unlikely to happen this year (next year?) it’d be nice to see more of Ireland. Not really that easy in my egolf.
Actually easier for me to do the same holiday in Wales/UK (assuming ferries run, I’ve not looked yet).

ELM327 · 13-05-2020 11:24am

I'm already planning a staycation for this year, here, instead of a usual vacation on the continent. We generally cruise every second year and this year is the next one. But we're gonna hold off. I generally book hotels etc only if they have charging, either provided by the hotel or a destination charger nearby.

Re the UK, CCS cover is awful, much worse than here. Those that do work, are generally either prohibitively expensive or limited to below 35kW.

Silent Running · 13-05-2020 11:41am

KCross wrote: »

Kerry is a prime example of that. One rapid down there which seriously limits your ability to spin around the county in an EV.

If only the Healy Reas believed in electric transport; there'd be hundreds of rapid chargers in the county.

ELM327 · 13-05-2020 11:49am

Silent Running wrote: »

If only the Healy Reas believed in electric transport; there'd be hundreds of rapid chargers in the county.

Ah but sure they can't go through pools of water, horse, we'll show them jackeens in dublin on behalf of the people of ciarraí

Black_Knight · 13-05-2020 11:56am

MJohnston wrote: »

You shouldn't simply place chargers where people live, but also where they want to go.

Hence the blackspot

Kerry is a pain in the hole for its lack of chargers. West Galway too. Costal drives are quite difficult given the placement of chargers. Maybe with a Zoe or a dual charging S it might be feasible, but not for 90% of the EVs in the country.

bodgerfederer · 13-05-2020 3:41pm

ELM327 wrote: »

I'm already planning a staycation for this year, here, instead of a usual vacation on the continent. We generally cruise every second year and this year is the next one. But we're gonna hold off. I generally book hotels etc only if they have charging, either provided by the hotel or a destination charger nearby.

Re the UK, CCS cover is awful, much worse than here. Those that do work, are generally either prohibitively expensive or limited to below 35kW.

I dunno- I drove mine back from the UK with no problems and found no shortage of chargers. Can’t remember what I paid ecotricity per charge but probably cheaper/less faff than renting a car for the week.
Have my eye on a hotel in Ross on Wye - has a charger and real ale in the bar. Win win.

zg3409 · 25-05-2020 3:27pm

I see easygo have updated their app and now have roaming to esb and Ionity. The Ionity all show up as 130kW Max power on easygo app. (Ionity app says up to 350kW) Is that correct? and they show as no fee on the app, but I presume there will be fees. I asked easygo for their ionity pricing.

redcup342 · 25-05-2020 3:43pm

MJohnston wrote: »

Population density is kind of unimportant to charger station placement. In fact, it might be a very counter-productive stat to use, at least for fast chargers. You shouldn't simply place chargers where people live, but also where they want to go.

Some of the least-densely populated parts of Ireland are also the most popular with tourism. And if you can't reach those areas with an EV, that's a huge problem.

More like in between where they want to go ??

A Rapid charger in the middle of nowhere near a motorway in between major cities will see much more use than a rapid charger in a high density area.

ELM327 · 25-05-2020 3:57pm

Free ionity with easygo!?

Black_Knight · 25-05-2020 4:28pm

ELM327 wrote: »

Free ionity with easygo!?

Well the ESB charger in Cashel also says free of charge. Pretty sure they won't be.

MJohnston · 25-05-2020 5:47pm

redcup342 wrote: »

More like in between where they want to go ??

A Rapid charger in the middle of nowhere near a motorway in between major cities will see much more use than a rapid charger in a high density area.

Yes, I worded my original post a bit misleadingly, when I say "where they want to go" I don't mean literally at the destination. I mean place them in spots that have the most utility for people travelling to those destinations. So, as you say, along major road routes that head that way.

In this case, somewhere along the A6 closer to Derry is probably a good choice for that.

irishgrover · 25-05-2020 5:50pm

ELM327 wrote: »

Free ionity with easygo!?

70c per kEh + 25c connection fee I believe

ELM327 · 25-05-2020 8:09pm

irishgrover wrote: »

70c per kEh + 25c connection fee I believe

Thats not whats on the app though

Felexicon · 25-05-2020 8:33pm

ELM327 wrote: »

Thats not whats on the app though

Well they are hardly going to give it away at a loss now are they? I'm sure the app will update in time

irishgrover · 25-05-2020 11:35pm

ELM327 wrote: »

Thats not whats on the app though

no, but it is what they told me when I asked :-)

ELM327 · 26-05-2020 9:17am

I wonder if its free until they update the app!
I cant test, unlike the ecars one, theres no ionity near me

Felexicon · 26-05-2020 10:10am

ELM327 wrote: »

I wonder if its free until they update the app!
I cant test, unlike the ecars one, theres no ionity near me

No it is not free.

innrain · 26-05-2020 10:14pm

ELM327 wrote: »

Thats not whats on the app though

I was wondering the same. Found on their twitter page

"You can now see live status updates of Ecars and Ionity Chargers. Access and billing is coming next week. See below what the new App symbols mean. "

https://twitter.com/hashtag/OneAppAllChargers?src=hashtag_click

zg3409 · 27-05-2020 9:14am

Reports Dublin city north #1 down, #2 limited to 25kW. Reported to ionity. #2 may have been slow since at least 16th March. I updated plugshare app comments for this site.

ELM327 · 27-05-2020 9:23am

I saw that post and suspect it is user error, charging a cold battery.

liamog · 27-05-2020 4:33pm

ELM327 wrote: »

I saw that post and suspect it is user error, charging a cold battery.

Tesla Model 3, and that poster has a fair bit of EV experience

ELM327 · 27-05-2020 4:37pm

liamog wrote: »

Tesla Model 3, and that poster has a fair bit of EV experience

Yes, the TM3 is very susceptible to slow charging at "cold" temps.
That poster also has a history of user error gripes

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