Minnesota officer shoots dead another innocent black victim

Overheal · 13-04-2021 5:45pm

Ckendrick wrote: »

She didn’t want to get shot by a man with a warrant out for his arrest on arms charges.
What on earth does his skin colour have to do with that?
It’s apparently important to you, but there’s no suggestion anywhere’s this point that his skin colour made any difference to her reaction to his resisting arrest. That would be racism.
Or can you point that out to me if you see it?

lol, okay, so she simultaneously thought she was going for a taser, but also feared she was going to be shot? You don't reach for a taser when you're afraid of being shot.

Pick a lane.

Overheal · 13-04-2021 5:47pm

paw patrol wrote: »

duncan lemp was white, computer programmer no criminal convictions or ties.
shot dead while asleep by cops in a no knock raid over a rumour on the internet

around time of george floyd too

funny how selective reporting works and who falls for it

So unless Breonna Taylor and her BF rigged a shotgun booby-trap at their front door, I think there are clear distinctions between the 2 cases....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/md-man-killed-by-officer-during-raid-had-door-booby-trapped-to-fire-at-anyone-entering-police-say/2020/03/17/d636ebe6-688a-11ea-b313-df458622c2cc_story.html

And no similarity to the GF incident, which had nothing to do with a no knock raid.

I can see why the incident didn't spark popular outrage. The victim was not nearly as relatable as an innocent EMT.

bewareofthedog · 13-04-2021 5:49pm

Overheal wrote: »

And no similarity to the GF incident, which had nothing to do with a no knock raid.

Such incidents aren't hard to find, you don't see them because you don't search for them or want to know about them. "Willfully ignorant" indeed.

biko · 13-04-2021 5:49pm

Deleted User wrote: »

It's mad that no matter how many black people are shot and killed by police the same names are always here to tell us how it wasn't a racist incident and it was the victim that was in the wrong.

A) when it's clear it's a racist shooting then you'll probably find everyone agree to this.

when it's not clear it a racist shooting then you'll probably find not everyone agree to this.

In this instance there is nothing to say there was a racist motive behind the shooting. There may be others, but in this case that doesn't seem to be the case.
I posted the bodycam footage earlier and suggest you view it.

Overheal · 13-04-2021 5:55pm

bewareofthedog wrote: »

Such incidents aren't hard to find, you don't see them because you don't search for them or want to know about them. "Willfully ignorant" indeed.

But you've highlighted an incident which, in fact, sparks outrage.

If this was to highlight disproportionate outrage for black policing victims it's a bit of a fail, as Daniel Shaver's death have been covered far and wide over the years. It also helped the police that the video was not made public until the officer's trial was already complete. https://www.abc15.com/news/local-news/investigations/hundreds-march-to-mesa-police-headquarters-to-fight-against-excessive-force-and-racial-profiling

Otherwise yes it's another great example of policing out of control.

Sandor Clegane · 13-04-2021 5:57pm

This case was not race related, this case is one of gross incompetence.

Nozebleed · 13-04-2021 5:59pm

Sandor Clegane wrote: »

This case was not race related, this case is one of gross incompetence.

but....he was blaaaaaaackkk.

Overheal · 13-04-2021 5:59pm

Sandor Clegane wrote: »

This case was not race related, this case is one of gross incompetence.

Can you prove that?

Sandor Clegane · 13-04-2021 6:01pm

Overheal wrote: »

Can you prove that?

Prove what? that she was incompetent? or that it wasn't race related?

basill · 13-04-2021 6:02pm

Some bodycam footage was just up on Virgin main news. Getting back into your vehicle and wrestling with cops trying to arrest you for an outstanding warrant is not likely to end well.

Ckendrick · 13-04-2021 6:06pm

Overheal wrote: »

Sorry, I'll slow that down for you: it is a fact of life that there is implicit bias in medicine. This does not equivocate to doctors being racist xenophobes.

I asked you a question. You answered it. You simply haven’t a clue.

Overheal · 13-04-2021 6:07pm

Sandor Clegane wrote: »

Prove what? that she was incompetent? or that it wasn't race related?

Either, to be fair. You've claimed it was not race related so I assume you have some conclusive evidence of that?

Overheal · 13-04-2021 6:08pm

Ckendrick wrote: »

I asked you a question. You answered it. You simply haven’t a clue.

Well, I'll take it from some Irish re-reg who must be an expert on American race relations.

Danzy · 13-04-2021 6:08pm

basill wrote: »

Some bodycam footage was just up on Virgin main news. Getting back into your vehicle and wrestling with cops trying to arrest you for an outstanding warrant is not likely to end well.

Especially when you have an outstanding charge of illegal gun possession.

A nasty man, ended up in a nasty situation.

Overheal · 13-04-2021 6:08pm

Danzy wrote: »

Especially when you have an outstanding charge of illegal gun possession.

A nasty man, ended up in a nasty situation.

What's the relevance, if she was going for a taser? Not a gun? Clearly, this was not about fear he might use a weapon, so out with that.

Ckendrick · 13-04-2021 6:09pm

Overheal wrote: »

Can you prove that?

That’s not how it works. You’re alleging racism in this incident. It’s not for anyone to prove it wasn’t racist. You have to show your evidence of how and where the policewoman was racist.

Overheal · 13-04-2021 6:10pm

Ckendrick wrote: »

That’s not how it works. You’re alleging racism in this incident. It’s not for anyone to prove it wasn’t racist. You have to show your evidence of how and where the policewoman was racist.

That is how it works. If you make a claim of fact you prove it. When you say "it wasn't about race" you have to establish the fact.

Ckendrick · 13-04-2021 6:11pm

Overheal wrote: »

Well, I'll take it from some Irish re-reg who must be an expert on American race relations.

If you have the evidence that the policewoman was racist in her handling of this incident then why don’t you just show us what it is?

Monkey arris · 13-04-2021 6:11pm

yourdeadwright wrote: »

He didn't deserver to be shot and killed but 100% it was his own actions which lead to him being in that position ,

Not suggesting he be posthumously awarded citizen of the year.

take everything · 13-04-2021 6:12pm

Overheal wrote: »

Either, to be fair. You've claimed it was not race related so I assume you have some conclusive evidence of that?

Do you have evidence that there was a racist motive is a better question.

Or could you be saying people have to prove their behaviour wasn't racist. Like a "racist until proven non-racist" version of the legal premise.

Sandor Clegane · 13-04-2021 6:12pm

Overheal wrote: »

Either, to be fair. You've claimed it was not race related so I assume you have some conclusive evidence of that?

Wasn't the cop who shot him black? you can tell from the video she was genuinely surprised she shot him...also nothing from the video shows any sign of this being race related, just because police pull over a black man doesn't mean it's racist.

I would of thought the incompetence comment would of explained itself, a cop not being able to tell a gun from a tazer, that's incompetence in my view,

Ckendrick · 13-04-2021 6:13pm

Overheal wrote: »

That is how it works. If you make a claim of fact you prove it. When you say "it wasn't about race" you have to establish the fact.

But you’re the person who is claiming that this is an example of racism in the US police. So show me the evidence?

Monkey arris · 13-04-2021 6:14pm

biko wrote: »

It's not only his fault. He didn't shoot himself.
Trying to escape will escalate matters.

Top tip - if you're pulled over, don't try to run.

Here's a video with help.

Although a joke, (as I'm pretty sure Chris Rock isn't condoning police brutality as depicted in that sketch), that's exactly what this man did.

Just go to 1 minute in.

Overheal · 13-04-2021 6:15pm

Monkey arris wrote: »

Although a joke, (as I'm pretty sure Chris Rock isn't condoning police brutality as depicted in that sketch), that's exactly what this man did.

Just go to 1 minute in.

Biko said a few posts ago that you're not allowed to bring that up! It's out of bounds!

Overheal · 13-04-2021 6:17pm

Sandor Clegane wrote: »

Wasn't the cop who shot him black? you can tell from the video she was genuinely surprised she shot him...also nothing from the video shows any sign of this being race related, just because police pull over a black man doesn't mean it's racist.

I would of thought the incompetence comment would of explained itself, a cop not being able to tell a gun from a tazer, that's incompetence in my view,

Does the shooter being black prove she didn't have a bias? Are you saying you can't have implicit biases against your own race? I have evidence to the contrary.

Fandymo · 13-04-2021 6:19pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It's mad that no matter how many black people are shot and killed by police the same names are always here to tell us how it wasn't a racist incident and it was the victim that was in the wrong.

More white people than black people get shot yearly by the police. Are they racist against white people?

Sandor Clegane · 13-04-2021 6:20pm

Overheal wrote: »

Does the shooter being black prove she didn't have a bias? Are you saying you can't have implicit biases against your own race? I have evidence to the contrary.

What evidence do you have that suggests this was race related? id like to see it.

Overheal · 13-04-2021 6:24pm

Fandymo wrote: »

More white people than black people get shot yearly by the police. Are they racist against white people?

'Per capita' is not ancient latin.

Overheal · 13-04-2021 6:26pm

Sandor Clegane wrote: »

What evidence do you have that suggests this was race related? id like to see it.

I have mountains of evidence to establish that there is inherent racial bias in policing.

We know the officer was too focused on her victim to verify the weapon she was drawing.

That's all we know.

I have yet to make any claim (despite others telling me I have done so here) that the woman was a racist or that race was her chief motivator for her actions. If I erroneously claimed that, however, I'd love to be shown where I did so I can rectify your confusion.

Fandymo · 13-04-2021 6:29pm

take everything wrote: »

Are you serious.

So you have put yourself into the heads of white police officers and ER doctors and have concluded how exactly they think and feel about black people. The ER one takes the biscuit.

Bizarre.
You have reasoned that a black person's survival vs a white persons survival from a shooting are all racially determined at every step of the way.

I'd hate to be in your head.

What about the racist bullets!! Huh!!

Danzy · 13-04-2021 6:30pm

Overheal wrote: »

'Per capita' is not ancient latin.

That doesn't take into account that despite only being 6% of the population that African America men are responsible for about half of murders, majority of assaults and violent crime.

Per arrests you more likely to die per 100k arrests if you are White. That's fine, I don't want it evened up.

There is more evidence that police in America, especially white ones are hyper careful around shooting black people.

biko · 13-04-2021 6:33pm

Overheal wrote: »

Biko said a few posts ago that you're not allowed to bring that up! It's out of bounds!

Again, I was merely trying to keep the discussion on this particular case but I am not a mod here so can't make you do anything, nor do I want to.

So here is a quite unrelated video of very clear racism for you all. Racism is not a one-way street.

https://twitter.com/ChanceTyColeman/status/1381690703332397058?s=20

Overheal · 13-04-2021 6:34pm

Danzy wrote: »

That doesn't take into account that despite only being 6% of the population that African America men are responsible for about half of murders, majority of assaults and violent crime.

Per arrests you more likely to die per 100k arrests if you are White. That's fine, I don't want it evened up.

We've been up and down that erroneous talking point before. It's not half of murders. How can you pretend to believe that blacks are responsible for half of murders when half of murders are never solved? http://www.murderdata.org/p/blog-page.html

Meanwhile, a review of how the police killings in 2020 happened might be helpful, most of which had nothing to do with murder, so it is entirely unclear why you think the murder rate justifies the rate at which blacks are gunned down by police?

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Fandymo · 13-04-2021 6:35pm

Overheal wrote: »

'Per capita' is not ancient latin.

Why would you use per capita? Per violent crime stats whites are massively over represented in the death by cop numbers. Doesn’t suit your argument though does it?

Overheal · 13-04-2021 6:36pm

biko wrote: »

Again, I was merely trying to keep the discussion on this particular case but I am not a mod here so can't make you do anything, not do I want to.

So here is a quite inrelated video of very clear racism for you all. Racism is not a one-way street.

https://twitter.com/ChanceTyColeman/status/1381690703332397058?s=20

What does that have to do with policing? I don't see police involved in that innocent.

My tax dollars pay for police officers, not randos on the street.

Overheal · 13-04-2021 6:37pm

Fandymo wrote: »

Why would you use per capita? Per violent crime stats whites are massively over represented in the death by cop numbers. Doesn’t suit your argument though does it?

You're lost.

Overheal · 13-04-2021 6:39pm

Danzy wrote: »

That doesn't take into account that despite only being 6% of the population that African America men are responsible for about half of murders, majority of assaults and violent crime.

Per arrests you more likely to die per 100k arrests if you are White. That's fine, I don't want it evened up.

There is more evidence that police in America, especially white ones are hyper careful around shooting black people.

That's chiefly due to whites being a whopping 73% of the population.

When blacks are dying by cops at a rate outstripping whites by 3x it's well noticeable.

Fandymo · 13-04-2021 6:44pm

Overheal wrote: »

That's chiefly due to whites being a whopping 73% of the population.

When blacks are dying by cops at a rate outstripping whites by 3x it's well noticeable.

By how many times are blacks more likely to be involved in violent crimes than whites/Asians?

13-04-2021 6:46pm

Overheal wrote: »

That's chiefly due to whites being a whopping 73% of the population.

When blacks are dying by cops at a rate outstripping whites by 3x it's well noticeable.

The original stat was per 100K arrests. In other words it was comparing like with like, not in absolute numbers so the 73% of the population is irrelevant in that case.

Proportionally, blacks commit more violent crimes, and are more likely to be killed by other black people than by cops. I think that has more of a bearing on them being killed by cops than it simply being a case that they are targeted based on their skin colour.

Overheal · 13-04-2021 6:46pm

Fandymo wrote: »

By how many times are blacks more likely to be involved in violent crimes than whites/Asians?

How often are whites/asians ghettoized by state and local government?

Fandymo · 13-04-2021 6:48pm

Overheal wrote: »

How often are whites/asians ghettoized by state and local government?

I’ve never seen Black town in any state I’ve been in. I’ve seen plenty of Chinatowns and Koreatowns, always vibrant, full of native businesses and restaurants. Very safe too. They were abandoned in LA in 92 though and had to defend their own “ghetto” against who?. Ghettoised like that??

Danzy · 13-04-2021 6:49pm

take everything wrote: »

So you have put yourself into the heads of white police officers and ER doctors and have concluded how exactly they think and feel about black people. The ER one takes the biscuit.
.

That line if thinking has gained traction in the last year online, it runs on so many top surgeons in America being Jewish that they are letting black people die.

. It's rooted in the Black Hebrew movement, that African Americans are the real chosen people.

Classic anti-Semitism with an American egotistical twist.

Overheal · 13-04-2021 6:50pm

Fandymo wrote: »

I’ve never seen Black town in any state I’ve been in. I’ve seen plenty of Chinatowns and Koreatowns. Ghettoised like that??

Clearly my point has been established for you to veer so hard into nonsensical naivety.

Here's a taste in case you're being deadly serious in your ignorance. https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2018/feb/21/roads-nowhere-infrastructure-american-inequality

Especially noticeable in southern towns and cities, hence the old adage 'the wrong side of the tracks.' Many southern towns are built around train lines, including my own home town. One side typically houses main street and the upper class neighborhoods, and the other side, not so much...

Fandymo · 13-04-2021 6:53pm

Overheal wrote: »

Clearly my point has been established for you to veer so hard into nonsensical naivety.

Here's a taste in case you're being deadly serious in your ignorance. https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2018/feb/21/roads-nowhere-infrastructure-american-inequality

A wall built in 1942 is your revelation haha. Look out below Fonzy, there’s a shark.

Overheal · 13-04-2021 6:55pm

Fandymo wrote: »

A wall built in 1942 is your revelation haha. Look out below Fonzy, there’s a shark.

Clearly you're not looking to learn or understand. Enjoy that ignorance.

paw patrol · 13-04-2021 6:56pm

Overheal wrote: »

So unless Breonna Taylor and her BF rigged a shotgun booby-trap at their front door, I think there are clear distinctions between the 2 cases....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/md-man-killed-by-officer-during-raid-had-door-booby-trapped-to-fire-at-anyone-entering-police-say/2020/03/17/d636ebe6-688a-11ea-b313-df458622c2cc_story.html

And no similarity to the GF incident, which had nothing to do with a no knock raid.

I can see why the incident didn't spark popular outrage. The victim was not nearly as relatable as an innocent EMT.

pathetic deflection.
you know fully well why it didnt spark outrage.

I do love your posts though...it's like a window to an alternative universe.

Dyr · 13-04-2021 6:57pm

Fandymo wrote: »

More white people than black people get shot yearly by the police. Are they racist against white people?

The police in the US shoot far, far more men than women every year, so they must be sexist too

Of course you could argue thats because men commit far more crime then women...hmmm....

Overheal · 13-04-2021 6:57pm

Danzy wrote: »

That line if thinking has gained traction in the last year online, it runs on so many top surgeons in America being Jewish that they are letting black people die.

. It's rooted in the Black Hebrew movement, that African Americans are the real chosen people.

Classic anti-Semitism with an American egotistical twist.

Antisemitic conspiracies aside, those whackos are only fueled by reality: that blacks and non whites have worse medical outcomes even when all other factors are equivalent.

Overheal · 13-04-2021 6:59pm

paw patrol wrote: »

pathetic deflection.
you know fully well why it didnt spark outrage.

I do love your posts though...it's like a window to an alternative universe.

Yes, I'd say it had a lot to do with him being a far right lunatic with boobytraps in his home.

Daniel Shaver's killing sparked outrage; wouldn't that defeat your insinuation that whites killed by police never spark outrage?

13-04-2021 6:59pm

Overheal wrote: »

Name one? An incident where a white suspect was blown away by cops for temporary tags or something?

Are you serious? There are nearly double the number of whites killed by police. Read this, written by a BLACK former BLM supporter : https://www.city-journal.org/reflections-on-race-riots-and-police

There are nearly identical cases involving white victims for every single black victim in the USA - but the media are silent as it doesn't fit the narrative.

Minnesota officer shoots dead another innocent black victim

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