Fitz's Youtube Channel

unkel · 17-05-2021 9:00am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwUOpyM-Muo

I think you should keep it! Looks very sophisticated on you and this watch might be going places.

893bet · 17-05-2021 9:03am

I like the variance of the table based on the watch. Little details make a review look professional.

Cyclingtourist · 17-05-2021 11:02am

I'd avoid phrases like "the model everyone wants". Everyone doesn't.

If the bracelet extension was "half a millimetre" it wouldn't be a lot of use.

Fitz II · 17-05-2021 11:15am

Cyclingtourist wrote: »

I'd avoid phrases like "the model everyone wants". Everyone doesn't.

I have to aim the reviews at the people most likely to watch them, being Rolex heads or prospective buyers, and they are all looking for Pepsi's and Batmen etc. I dont think its a problem suggesting that the hard to get waiting list watches are the ones everyone wants, the thing speaks for itself. If I were doing a tudor video I might say it of the new chrono or in omega about the new snoopy or the ed white. I dont literally mean everyone in the world. I have heard that there are some people who dont even like watches at all....peculiar world.

Cyclingtourist wrote: »

If the bracelet extension was "half a millimetre" it wouldn't be a lot of use.

Yeah you make little errors and mispeak things like mm rather than cm like that on a single take but I find the single take feel more personal and genuine, and I missed it in post, thanks for paying close attention appreciate the input.

kostal2093 · 19-05-2021 1:52pm

Great credit to you for being brave enough to enter into the crowded and competitive space of watch reviews on YouTube. In my opinion, you are more than holding your own with the others. Apart from your calmness, what really comes across is your honesty - especially as you have no ulterior motive considering you are not in the business of selling watches. Each review is very balanced, so it is very difficult to argue with any of the positives and negatives you highlight about each watch.

Only recommendation I have, that you might consider in future videos, would be to include a lume shot of the watch being reviewed, but I don't know how difficult this might be to do.

So, continue the great work and really appreciate the effort being made as I can imagine there is a lot of work and preparation needed to put one of these together.

Already subscribed and looking forward already to the next one.

Fitz II · 19-05-2021 3:27pm

kostal2093 wrote: »

Only recommendation I have, that you might consider in future videos, would be to include a lume shot
.

Thanks you for the encouraging words. You are the second person to mention the lume shot to me, I need to include that.

scwazrh · 19-05-2021 4:06pm

I don’t know if you’re leaving it out on purpose but it would be nice to see the packaging as well.Not so much an unboxing but just what comes with the watch . We all know how a Rolex is presented but for the likes of the Lange & sohn it would be nice to see how it’s presented .

Fitz II · 23-05-2021 6:10pm

Sorry for the late upload, was hung over to fcuk yesterday.

Bulgari Octo Finissimo ultra Thin Titanium. Thank to Thirdfox for the lend of the watch. Didn't do the box or the lume it was long enough and there is no lume. Very interesting watch and something totally different.

The HD version will take another hour of so to process.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEhyd5M02Xc

https://youtu.be/uEhyd5M02Xc

893bet · 23-05-2021 9:59pm

Good review. You are lucky to have so many friends willing to loan you such high end pieces. You could have ended up spending 20 minutes talking about the box a Pagani comes in otherwise.

Fitz II · 24-05-2021 7:19am

893bet wrote: »

Good review. You are lucky to have so many friends willing to loan you such high end pieces. You could have ended up spending 20 minutes talking about the box a Pagani comes in otherwise.

I hope they dont mind me giving my opinions and I really appreciate the loan of these watches, I am much more into these high end watches and am really enjoying getting hands on with them.

redlead · 24-05-2021 7:38am

Have you looked into ways of getting the channel suggested to people without going down the paid views route? I'd imagine it's a bit of a catch 22 situation where its very difficult grow a channel outside of your mates because youtube will only recommend to others if its getting a certain number of views but you can't get those views if you aren't getting recommended. I'd say many a quality YT channel has faltered here and yours is turning into a quality one. As I said previously, each video is a clear step up from the previous one. Another few videos and watchfinder will be trying to recruit you ;-)

Fitz II · 24-05-2021 9:15am

Thanks, Its early days yet and just trying to get content in there first, and once I have some content I am happy with I will maybe drop the link in other watch forums I am on. Boards is a gentle enough place so its a good training ground. My aim with this is to get 1000 subscribers in the next 12 months, and hoping that it reaches a critical mass around 500 subs where the algorithim starts to suggest it. Anyway its more of a cathartic hobby for me than anything serious. I can see that the grind to get out content could become tiresome, dont know how these other guys do it.

Time · 24-05-2021 9:16am

You should do a review of your AP RO Chrono. Photos never do justice to the level of finishing on them, a video would be a great way to show the quality of them.

I'd be interested to hear your opinion on the chrono pushers too (personally i found them to be disappointing, compared to Rolex and Patek)

unkel · 24-05-2021 9:40am

Fitz II wrote: »

I hope they dont mind me giving my opinions

Nope. Your unvarnished opinion is the strongest point of your channel imho.

banie01 · 24-05-2021 9:44am

unkel wrote: »

Nope. Your unvarnished opinion is the strongest point of your channel imho.

Totally agree.
The absolute conviction and balance in your opinion is a huge part of what makes the videos compelling IMO.

banie01 · 24-05-2021 9:46am

Time wrote: »

I'd be interested to hear your opinion on the chrono pushers too (personally i found them to be disappointing, compared to Rolex and Patek)

I have zero experience of them and likely never will on the AP.
But is this due to cam operated chrono on the AP, versus vertical column wheel on the Rolex and pp?
Or am I guessing arseways?

Fitz II · 24-05-2021 9:47am

Time wrote: »

You should do a review of your AP RO Chrono. Photos never do justice to the level of finishing on them, a video would be a great way to show the quality of them.

I'd be interested to hear your opinion on the chrono pushers too (personally i found them to be disappointing, compared to Rolex and Patek)

I will do the RO fairly soon, its my baby so I want to be at the height of my powers before doing it. Its going to be hard to get across the finish on camera. Might do some cheaper watches next just to get my eye in on them. My vostock opinions are almost formed in my head so I think that next.

banie01 wrote: »

I have zero experience of them and likely never will on the AP.
But is this due to cam operated chrono on the AP, versus vertical column wheel on the Rolex and pp?
Or am I guessing arseways?

WOuld have to research the exact specs but I know there are differences. My RO has screw down chrono pushers and they are extremely snappy and clicky. My daytona has a better feel, more smooth. Next time you are in dublin Banie pop into me and have a play around with the watches. Must organise a general meet up when the lockdown is fully released.

Cyclingtourist · 24-05-2021 10:02am

Maybe some people watch YT watch videos to get unbiased opinions but for me they're just entertainment. Someone speaking in monotone might be giving more objective information but if he/she isn't engaging or reviewing something I find boring, like JOMW doing his recent one on the Citizen Red Arrows AT, I click off.
My favourites are Timeless & Caseback. Watch Gringa is amusing in small doses and Jenni's flirting with her huge male audience intriguing.
Those ads for kitchen knives "taking the world by storm" are funny.

Fitz II · 24-05-2021 10:14am

Cyclingtourist wrote: »

Maybe some people watch YT watch videos to get unbiased opinions but for me they're just entertainment. Someone speaking in monotone might be giving more objective information but if he/she isn't engaging or reviewing something I find boring, like JOMW doing his recent one on the Citizen Red Arrows AT, I click off.
My favourites are Timeless & Caseback. Watch Gringa is amusing in small doses and Jenni's flirting with her huge male audience intriguing.
Those ads for kitchen knives "taking the world by storm" are funny.

Some people watch reviews to learn about the watches, and some people watch reviews to learn about the reviewer. Plenty of choice out there.

Wibbs · 24-05-2021 10:31am

banie01 wrote: »

I have zero experience of them and likely never will on the AP.
But is this due to cam operated chrono on the AP, versus vertical column wheel on the Rolex and pp?
Or am I guessing arseways?

There's definitely a quality feel difference between cam and column wheel. The latter feeling better, but it can depend on a few variables like strength of springs in the pushers themselves, even the weight of the watch itself. EG a Heuer Bund with a column wheel while feeling more positive doesn't feel overall as "luxury" as a modern cam operated Speedmaster, because the speedy is the heavier watch. I suspect brand/model perception would factor too. I'd be willing to bet a couple of quid(cheap bastid that I am

) that in a blind test perceived differences would be all over the place, like the way wine connoisseurs can be easily fooled by Lidl plonk in fancy vintage bottles. Still, overall I'd say the column wheel is the superior in feel. Cam was always the cheaper option in chrono movements.

Thirdfox · 24-05-2021 10:34am

893bet wrote: »

Good review. You are lucky to have so many friends willing to loan you such high end pieces. You could have ended up spending 20 minutes talking about the box a Pagani comes in otherwise.

Ironically Fitz didn't have time in that review to look at the Bulgari box - which contrary to the watch is both very thick/large and heavy

Fitz II wrote: »

I hope they dont mind me giving my opinions and I really appreciate the loan of these watches, I am much more into these high end watches and am really enjoying getting hands on with them.

Having these kinds of watches yourself means people are probably likely to be more comfortable sending out these pieces to you too

Time wrote: »

You should do a review of your AP RO Chrono. Photos never do justice to the level of finishing on them, a video would be a great way to show the quality of them.

I'd be interested to hear your opinion on the chrono pushers too (personally i found them to be disappointing, compared to Rolex and Patek)

Have to say - I kinda agree on the pushers - the screwdown design was very cool, but the action itself I preferred say the Speedmaster, or - lol even 1963 - I think Banie may be on the right track with it being a design thing - and down to personal preference of course.

Fitz II wrote: »

I will do the RO fairly soon, its my baby so I want to be at the height of my powers before doing it. Its going to be hard to get across the finish on camera. Might do some cheaper watches next just to get my eye in on them. My vostock opinions are almost formed in my head so I think that next.

Thanks for offering to show me the RO - I was most impressed by the bracelet (some notes were taken

not of the aesthetic design but of the engineering choices made). Btw in case you were interested the RO on the timegrapher (at T=0 (full wind)) was +0 dial up, -9 crown up and -4 dial down - I guess it runs close to -5/6 s/d.

I did take some macro shots of the RO too at 1:1 magnification, let me know if you'd like to get the images or if you'd like them shared on here - some fine fractal details on the waffle dial - *though* - interestingly on the minute hands it's not exactly "Grand Seiko" levels of clean (I wonder was it serviced in the meantime and made "dirtier" then?) - not that anyone is taking a loupe to a watch face of course (loupes and timegraphers - devil's tools unless you're using them professionally I suggest :P )

edit: one last thing that you may want to mention in reviews - personal suggestion - is to talk about the "feel" of certain things - one thing that really impressed me about the Bulgari was the feel of winding the crown - probably *the* smoothest automatic watch crown action I've ever felt - I'm not ashamed to say that the HZ5000a is very "gritty" in comparison. Similar to a Ferrari vs a Ford - maybe it is that slightly better gear shift feel that conveys a nicer feeling - i.e. blind test I'm sure 100% of people would prefer the feeling of the winding on the Bulgari vs an ETA automatic, HZ5000A or Omega or quite possibly the RO too.

Wibbs · 24-05-2021 10:35am

Fitz II wrote: »

Some people watch reviews to learn about the watches, and some people watch reviews to learn about the reviewer. Plenty of choice out there.

+1. Personally I'm not subbed to many watch reviewers. The two lads on here and a couple of others. Mainly because it's a different part of the hobby to mine and there are very few vintage type channels out there for all sorts of reasons. I have a few subbed watchmaker channels alright.

Cyclingtourist · 24-05-2021 10:35am

Fitz II wrote: »

Some people watch reviews to learn about the watches, and some people watch reviews to learn about the reviewer. Plenty of choice out there.

But what are you learning apart from someone's personal opinion biased or unbiased? If it's a watch you're thinking of spending serious money on it comes down to aesthetic appeal (personal), specifications and ultimately wearing experience (personal). It's not Adrian's, Jodie's, Tim's, Oisín's or Fitz II's money you're spending.

If I want to learn about WW2 I read some history books written by respected historians. If I want to be entertained I watch a Mark Felton YT video.

Wibbs · 24-05-2021 10:41am

Cyclingtourist wrote: »

If I want to learn about WW2 I read some history books written by respected historians. If I want to be entertained I watch a Mark Felton YT video.

For me that wouldn't be a great example CT as Felton's vids are very well researched and informative and often iconoclastic as far as received wisdom on the period is concerned and he wraps them up in well and in a short format. Whereas others of a similar vein can go on for an hour and halfway through you're running a warm bath and eyeing razor blades with disturbing intent.

Fitz II · 24-05-2021 11:00am

Thirdfox please do post any photos you have. Yes the RO has seen service with watchfinder, but I will send it back to AP the next time. I am trying to take all the suggestion on boardand include them. One thing that is horrid on the RO is the date change its precise but feels weird. Boxes are something I am honestly trying to avoid. They dont photo well on my overhead camera setup I would need a wide angle lens which I must get. I find boxes a nuisance, something to be stored and something that adds nothing to the watch.

CT thanks for the input, not much I can do for people like yourself that dont like these sort of reviews, they are the kind that I enjoy, and the kind I have the time to make. I like to hear the from experienced impartial collectors when I am contemplating a purchase. But as I said there is plenty of choice out there for the history buff on one hand to the chap rubbing one out to Jenie Elle on the other.

Wibbs · 24-05-2021 11:32am

Fitz II wrote: »

the chap rubbing one out to Jenie Elle on the other.

Which could ironically lead to thicker wrists and expulsion from her itty bitty wrist commitee.

Thirdfox · 24-05-2021 2:42pm

Cyclingtourist wrote: »

But what are you learning apart from someone's personal opinion biased or unbiased? If it's a watch you're thinking of spending serious money on it comes down to aesthetic appeal (personal), specifications and ultimately wearing experience (personal). It's not Adrian's, Jodie's, Tim's, Oisín's or Fitz II's money you're spending.

If I want to learn about WW2 I read some history books written by respected historians. If I want to be entertained I watch a Mark Felton YT video.

I think one thing that say a channel that looks at higher end watches that people really have to think about before considering buying is that the channel (when it's operating as it should) - can bring to light brands/watches that viewers might never have heard about - i.e. sure most people know your Rolex and Omegas - but do they know about Glashutte Originals, Jacquet Droz, Breguet or more eclectically - the Bulgaris, FP Journe, MB&F, Voutilainens?

No-one is going to be ordering a FP Journe off the internet after seeing a Watchfinder "advertorial" or Fitz's video (presumably! I'm not doubting your levels of persuasion Fitz

) - but it may spark an interest into researching further into an "unknown" brand.

@Fitz - actually in the Bulgari video - a picture or two of the world's thinnest auto chronograph, auto tourbillon, auto minute repeaters, auto perpetual calendars from Bulgari might be interesting in showing your viewers what else is in "this line" from Bulgari. Kinda like what CT is talking about - you'll be providing some useful information (that doesn't take too much of your time) but can lead viewers to independently start their own research into a brand/concept/model etc. For these kinds of "off the beaten path" brands some history (you discussed the Gerald Genta company buyout connection) may be rather interesting to "watch nerds".

It would be like getting an answer to "why would someone choose this when they could have bought a VC Overseas or Rolex Submariner for the same money?" - and delving into what makes an Octo "worth it" in someone's eyes - very much in line with your "who's this for? not for?" subjective take.

Fitz II wrote: »

Thirdfox please do post any photos you have. Yes the RO has seen service with watchfinder, but I will send it back to AP the next time. I am trying to take all the suggestion on boardand include them. One thing that is horrid on the RO is the date change its precise but feels weird. Boxes are something I am honestly trying to avoid. They dont photo well on my overhead camera setup I would need a wide angle lens which I must get. I find boxes a nuisance, something to be stored and something that adds nothing to the watch.

Here are some of the photos taken sized for web - originals at the links:

1:2 magnification:

https://i.imgur.com/2vJrRcQ.jpg - original file

Date window (1:1):

https://i.imgur.com/NNMGeXw.jpg

Crisp text:

https://i.imgur.com/ct5vt1r.jpg

Indices:

https://i.imgur.com/y95SLpQ.jpg

Hour hand probably needs a clean...:

https://i.imgur.com/1Nd2JpQ.jpg

Fitz II · 29-05-2021 3:23pm

The verdict is in......Vostock Review, and apologies to Blanchy this was queued up yesterday.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uGVpYS11TM

https://youtu.be/6uGVpYS11TM

banie01 · 29-05-2021 3:50pm

"Cost less than your shoes, but feels like it should cost less than your socks"

That line has honestly made me chuckle, a laconic bit of wordplay that really drives home your point and your opinion.

I've never had a Vostok and would pretty much fall into the category of the buyer who would snag one as a curio or a bit of militaria, so my own opinion of this one is coloured by my bias.
That said, I really enjoyed it.

Cyclingtourist · 29-05-2021 4:37pm

Novichok.

Blanchy90 · 29-05-2021 7:15pm

Fitz II wrote: »

The verdict is in......Vostock Review, and apologies to Blanchy this was queued up yesterday.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uGVpYS11TM

https://youtu.be/6uGVpYS11TM

No worries we probably won't have too much crossover with our reviews

I'll give it a watch later on

dakar · 29-05-2021 9:01pm

Only a dentist could wield that springbar tool so professionally!

I’m enjoying your videos very much. Very refreshing, not necessarily unbiased, but very open about where your opinions are coming from.

Blanchy90 · 29-05-2021 11:27pm

I see why you said sorry now haha, loved the video interesting to see a luxury watch collectors view on it.

+-60 is way off I've never seen that much except in vintage movements (or when I drop them...)

Laughed the whole way though the video and felt like you were talking directly to me as a Vostok fan.

So how much are you selling the scuba dude for? Haha I've always room in my collection for more vostoks

Cyclingtourist · 30-05-2021 12:47am

Top marx.

Fitz II · 30-05-2021 6:54am

Blanchy90 wrote: »

I see why you said sorry now haha, loved the video interesting to see a luxury watch collectors view on it.

+-60 is way off I've never seen that much except in vintage movements (or when I drop them...)

Laughed the whole way though the video and felt like you were talking directly to me as a Vostok fan.

So how much are you selling the scuba dude for? Haha I've always room in my collection for more vostoks

Lol, I am glad you took it in good spirits. Of course not aimed at anyone in particular. The accuracy seem to be highly dependant on spring energy and storage and the luck of the draw. Mine is obviously a dud. If we all agreed we would all have the same watches

When I hit 100 subs I will give away a few of the watches including this one as a job lot on the channel, hopefully to somebody on here.

Fitz II · 05-06-2021 5:48am

Latest Vid on the Tudor Black Bay Chrono - TLDR I dont like it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vI4awcGIX6w

https://youtu.be/vI4awcGIX6w

redlead · 05-06-2021 6:53am

Its an interesting point you make about the face of a watch always being what you are shown. The rounded case of the Daytona and yachtmaster really is elegant and not something you see a lot on a sports watch. The case is so important but not really emphasised enough.

Cyclingtourist · 05-06-2021 7:50am

But is C&B a TWC killer?

Fitz II · 05-06-2021 8:58am

Cyclingtourist wrote: »

But is C&B a TWC killer?

I am unworthy to touch the helm of his garment.

893bet · 05-06-2021 9:26am

Fitz II wrote: »

I am unworthy to touch the helm of his garment.

You don’t have the same level of financial backing

Cyclingtourist · 05-06-2021 9:37am

Fitz II wrote: »

I am unworthy to touch the helm of his garment.

That guy Ocean O'Smelly isn't in your league when it comes to steering his way through high horology.

One day you'll be bigger than him. All you need is patients, lots of patients.

Wibbs · 05-06-2021 10:06am

Very good review F. I can't get over the sheer bulk of it and you have shown that better than others. From the side the bracelet almost looks like it's fitted to the wrong case. The handset looks unbalanced to me? I prefer Tudor hands to Mercedes, but in this form the hour hand is huge, the minute hand is anorexic. To my eye anyway.

Just a two things F, though it can depend on the type of clutch involved(vertical better than horizontal, in general), leaving a chronograph running is considered a bad bet because of extra wear in the movement and it doesn't matter whether it's column wheel or cam as that's not where the wear occurs. The Breitling derived movements have had issues with this. The pusher is a reset rather than flyback. AFAIK the Tudor is't a flyback movement(I don't think the Daytona is either?), IE it can't be reset to zero while running and continue to run to measure intervals. So flyback is an extra function/complication. That might confuse some looking for that function.

Fitz II · 05-06-2021 1:33pm

Thanks Wibbs, always though that the vertical clutches in Daytonas and this new Tudor put very little wear on the mechanism and is safe to leave running 24/7? You are right its not a flyback it needs to be stopped first.

Cyclingtourist wrote: »

That guy Ocean O'Smelly isn't in your league when it comes to steering his way through high horology.

One day you'll be bigger than him. All you need is patients, lots of patients.

Ah he is a performer and a good one at that, and really my motives and aspirations are far more mundane and parochial than his

banie01 · 05-06-2021 1:34pm

Enjoyed it Fitz, much as I said to or other YTer, content and delivery is improving with each video.
The high bar you set is being met and exceeded.
Left a further comment on the video but sure I'll just reiterate my enjoyment of the video here too.

Wibbs · 05-06-2021 2:32pm

Fitz II wrote: »

Thanks Wibbs, always though that the vertical clutches in Daytonas and this new Tudor put very little wear on the mechanism and is safe to leave running 24/7?

Vertical is less likely to cause trouble alright F. Seiko had one in their first late 60's chronos and seem to last forever. I've read all sorts over the years pro and con running a chronograph for long periods, my only conclusion tbh is that 9 times outa 10 it's going to be fine a few times a week say, but not permanently, simply because you're adding many more moving parts to the going works.

You are right its not a flyback it needs to be stopped first.

Ah right F, though it has long surprised me that particularly in the luxury expensive end that this function isn't a given. It's not that complex a mechanism and is useful with it. All military officially issued pilots chronos had it since the late 30's. Though I like its pretentious name, "faux rattrapante".

Blanchy90 · 06-06-2021 12:02am

Another good one Fitz, you definitely don't pull your punches.

I don't normally watch luxury watch reviews so it's nice getting an honest take on them. It was great that you had a Daytona to hand for the comparison it really solidified your points

We certainly have different definitions of bargain lol if I sold my whole collection I might get half the cost of the Tudor

Fitz II · 06-06-2021 9:21am

Blanchy90 wrote: »

We certainly have different definitions of bargain lol if I sold my whole collection I might get half the cost of the Tudor

These are all expensive watches, thats why I am hard on them. For 5k I would expect a thinner chrono movement. Watch reviews are so saccharine sweet and positive in general, any time I get a watch I am not happy with I wonder why the negative aspects are not pushed.

Wibbs · 06-06-2021 9:52am

+1 Looking at the Sinn and Longines chronos they're in the 14mm thickness range too, but don't look nearly so bulbous and are half the price. Maybe Tudor are going for the never mind the quality feel the width angle? Though more likely going for the get into a baby Rolex until you can afford the Daytona angle. If it were more svelte at that price point it might hit the higher end stuff?

Cyclingtourist · 06-06-2021 11:13am

Fitz II wrote: »

These are all expensive watches, thats why I am hard on them. For 5k I would expect a thinner chrono movement. Watch reviews are so saccharine sweet and positive in general, any time I get a watch I am not happy with I wonder why the negative aspects are not pushed.

Your video was essentially a comparison review, "if you want but can't afford a Daytona this will leave you disappointed", "the Daytona is the watch everyone wants" etc. Fair enough if that's the purpose of your review.

There is another side of the coin however, that people just might be wanting a Tudor and not a Rolex. Maybe they're people who want to 'fly under the radar' so to speak or appreciate the brand for the value it offers.

The thickness of the watch is, as I understand it, less than a Daytona if you measure using callipers but probably wears bigger due to its flat case profile. This may be due to the movement but probably has more to do with Tudor styling.

A bigger negative IMO that you didn't mention is the matter of the snowflake hour hand which obscures the subdials.

Hope I'm not coming over as negative towards your video, just trying to be constructive.

Fitz II · 06-06-2021 1:11pm

Cyclingtourist wrote: »

Your video was essentially a comparison review, "if you want but can't afford a Daytona this will leave you disappointed", "the Daytona is the watch everyone wants" etc. Fair enough if that's the purpose of your review.

Well it is really, I dont know why anyone would buy this watch which is a unsubtle nod to the vintage Daytona without actually being a daytona fan? This watch was designed to extract the money from Daytona fans who cant afford or cant get a Daytona with what is in my opinion a vastly inferior watch.

Cyclingtourist wrote: »

There is another side of the coin however, that people just might be wanting a Tudor and not a Rolex. Maybe they're people who want to 'fly under the radar' so to speak or appreciate the brand for the value it offers.

Anyone who want to fly under the radar would be better without such a large shiny watch. A Daytona is far easier to get away with, much less in your face. My opinion would be the Chrono fan should go to the speedmaster, its more its own thing and wears much better. I am a big tudor fan, I have had three of them now. Price is what you pay value is what you get, this Tudor offers a more palatable price (but only to those in the rolex mindset anyway, as 5k is hardly a bargain) but its offers no value for that price.

Cyclingtourist wrote: »

The thickness of the watch is, as I understand it, less than a Daytona if you measure using callipers but probably wears bigger due to its flat case profile. This may be due to the movement but probably has more to do with Tudor styling.

The Tudor is 2mm thicker than a daytona. Daytona is famous for fitting a nice chrono movement into a slim profile. The tudor movement is a big yolk they had to move the dial closer to the crystal to get the 0.4mm improvement over the old Chrono. But you are not wrong the case design is very blunt sided and straight adding to the thickness. But its not just perceived thickness.

Cyclingtourist wrote: »

A bigger negative IMO that you didn't mention is the matter of the snowflake hour hand which obscures the subdials.

That actually doesn't bother me. Those hands are a tudor staple at this stage and I like them. Its a 45 minute register and a running seconds. If the chrono is running you can judge seconds anyway and as its only 45 minutes the obscuring of the subdials will only be for short periods. Make the hands smaller and you seriously effect legibility like on a Daytona (very difficult to tell the time on a Daytona) and the lume is decreased which will equally have people giving out. Its one of those pick you poison decisions.

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