Mass shooting New Zealand Mosque - MOD NOTE POST #1

The Moleman · 15-03-2019 10:02am

Snow Garden wrote: »

I think it's fair to say that Christian terrorists attacked the mosque.

Did the attackers make any reference to Christianity or claim to be acting because of religious beliefs?

If they did then it is as fair to call them Christian terrorists as it is to use the phrases Muslim/Islamic terrorists.

These people who do these things are not actually Christians or Muslims anymore than the IRA or UDF are Catholic or Protestants.

monreader · 15-03-2019 10:02am

The streets are so eerie here tonight. Its been a sad day for the city. Kia Kaha Otautahi!

Hector Savage · 15-03-2019 10:03am

I fear also people like Sam Harris , Majid Nawaz etc will be partly blamed for this.
Anyone remotely critical of Islam will be at the end of ire over this.

This will greatly speed up the criminalization of the criticism of Islam.

The Moleman · 15-03-2019 10:05am

Atoms for Peace wrote: »

The internet has become the sewer of humanity.

Yes but it was not Berners-Lee who did that.

It is the fault of all of for letting it become a sewer with all the trolling, nastiness, celebrity ****e.

Zorya · 15-03-2019 10:05am

There is radicalisation happening via the internet for certain. Both left and right. It has been going on for a long time. This murderer's manifesto was a combination of extreme Nazism and Marxism, and he claimed influences from both. Kill All Normies is a good introductory book to the world of the Chans and online hate cults. Both are equally savage. I have encountered a person who was deeply influenced by terrible people online. He lives in an isolated rural place, and is psychiatrically unwell. He has been in touch with extremists based in Scandinavia via the web, which has been reported to authorities. He cannot be the only one as I don't know that many people and yet I know one such. It is not left or right, it is sick hate that crosses all political boundaries, there is no reasoning behind it, it attracts the psychotic, the unwell and the feeble minded. Trying to point score on this thread on the back of a massacre is obnoxious.

The Moleman · 15-03-2019 10:06am

monreader wrote: »

The streets are so eerie here tonight. Its been a sad day for the city. Kia Kaha Otautahi!

You in Christchurch?

I didn't know this forum could be used outside Ireland.

Hector Savage · 15-03-2019 10:07am

The Moleman wrote: »

You in Christchurch?

I didn't know this forum could be used outside Ireland.

Nerdlingr · 15-03-2019 10:07am

Motherf*cker. Specifically chose NZ to show that no where in the world is safe. After attacking the mosques he drove around firing out his windscreen.
What an absolute cretin.

batgoat · 15-03-2019 10:07am

The Moleman wrote: »

Did the attackers make any reference to Christianity or claim to be acting because of religious beliefs?

If they did then it is as fair to call them Christian terrorists as it is to use the phrases Muslim/Islamic terrorists.

These people who do these things are not actually Christians or Muslims anymore than the IRA or UDF are Catholic or Protestants.

He doesn't clarify if he's Christian in his manifesto however he does have multiple pleas towards Christians including

"ASK YOURSELF, WHAT WOULD POPE URBAN II DO?"

Based on it, I would say he commited them under a guise of Christianity to maintain a white Christian society. Breivik did similar. A similar argument to most far right politicians in Europe at this point in time.(they're generally incredibly racist.)

So I'm up pretty up in the air on if they have any real strong feelings about Christianity.

15-03-2019 10:07am

The Moleman wrote: »

Yes but it was Berners-Lee who did that.

It is the fault of all of for letting it become a sewer with all the trolling, nastiness, celebrity ****e.

How was it his fault?

monreader · 15-03-2019 10:08am

The Moleman wrote: »

You in Christchurch?

I didn't know this forum could be used outside Ireland.

I can use it fine and I live only 2 minutes away from the smaller mosque that was shot up.

lbc2019 · 15-03-2019 10:10am

Some of these posts what a haven for far right hate speech boards has become

The Moleman · 15-03-2019 10:11am

Deleted User wrote: »

How was it his fault?

I mistyped. Corrected it.

I was saying that it is not his fault in response to an earlier post asking how he feels this morning,

He is not responsible for anything on the Internet

Giveaway · 15-03-2019 10:12am

Pope Urban the II launched the first crusade as a response to Islam encroaching on all fronts of a divided Christendom. I can understand why todays attackers want to link themselves with Urban II but the link the attacker proposes is not valid

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo · 15-03-2019 10:12am

Hector Savage wrote: »

I fear also people like Sam Harris , Majid Nawaz etc will be partly blamed for this.
Anyone remotely critical of Islam will be at the end of ire over this.

This will greatly speed up the criminalization of the criticism of Islam.

Trial by Twitter will become even more emboldened.

lawred2 · 15-03-2019 10:12am

Hector Savage wrote: »

They have the internet on computers now

Sardonicat · 15-03-2019 10:12am

lbc2019 wrote: »

Some of these posts what a haven for far right hate speech boards has become

In fairness to the Mods, they're being dealt with very efficiently this morning.

Baggly · 15-03-2019 10:12am

lbc2019 wrote: »

Some of these posts what a haven for far right hate speech boards has become

Mod

If you have a problem with posts, report them.

This isnt a thread for discussing far right hate speech on boards, so the above post is not helpful to this discussion.

Please stay on topic or dont post in this thread again. Your choice. Same goes for EVERYONE.

The Moleman · 15-03-2019 10:13am

Hector Savage wrote: »

I mistakenly believed the site could only be used in Ireland.

It really is not that confusing.

15-03-2019 10:13am

batgoat wrote: »

He doesn't clarify if he's Christian in his manifesto however he does have multiple pleas towards Christians including

"ASK YOURSELF, WHAT WOULD POPE URBAN II DO?"

Based on it, I would say he commited them under a guise of Christianity to maintain a white Christian society. Breivik did similar. A similar argument to most far right politicians in Europe at this point in time.(they're generally incredibly racist.)

So I'm up pretty up in the air on if they have any real strong feelings about Christianity.

The answer to that question is "order the first crusade on Muslims". It's a stretch to say it's a Christian attack, and if it were motivated by it, there would be more to it than that.

Cookie_Monster · 15-03-2019 10:15am

suicide_circus wrote: »

what are the gun laws in NZ? he seemed to have quite the arsenal

Pretty liberal actually in terms of what you can own. You can have various type of guns but you have to go through a very thorough series of test and checks to prove you can justify the need / want for it.
Rifle ranges are in decline unfortunately but pistol clubs are still very common and air guns and crossbows are totally unlicensed.

Hector Savage · 15-03-2019 10:15am

lbc2019 wrote: »

Some of these posts what a haven for far right hate speech boards has become

Can you clarify ?
which posts exactly ?
I think you may be mis interpreting them if you include my posts in that.

Hector Savage · 15-03-2019 10:15am

The Moleman wrote: »

I mistakenly believed the site could only be used in Ireland.

It really is not that confusing.

Apologies.

Charles Ingles · 15-03-2019 10:16am

Shocking rip to victims.
No doubt it will turn out out to lone wolf attack by some head case radicalised on the internet.

Wibbs · 15-03-2019 10:16am

An unbelievably savage and cowardly act. The animal scum had the gall to describe it as a "firefight". Oh so mowing down unarmed innocent men women and children is a firefight now? Being flayed alive in a public square is too good for scum like this.

Omackeral · 15-03-2019 10:16am

lbc2019 wrote: »

Some of these posts what a haven for far right hate speech boards has become

Where? I'm reading this at 9:15 and haven't seen any far right posts on this thread. Maybe they were scrubbed but as of now all I see is condemnantion of a cowardly terror attack.

Baggly · 15-03-2019 10:17am

Hector Savage wrote: »

Can you clarify ?
which posts exactly ?
I think you may be mis interpreting them if you include my posts in that.

Omackeral wrote: »

Where? I'm reading this at 9:15 and haven't seen any far right posts on this thread. Maybe they were scrubbed but as of now all I see is condemnantion of a cowardly terror attack.

Mod

You two AND lbc. Leave it out. Ill give you the benefit of the doubt you didnt see my mod warning. I wont if it continues.

Mad_maxx · 15-03-2019 10:17am

Hector Savage wrote: »

I fear also people like Sam Harris , Majid Nawaz etc will be partly blamed for this.
Anyone remotely critical of Islam will be at the end of ire over this.

This will greatly speed up the criminalization of the criticism of Islam.

Absolutely, the twitterati are out in force using the "far right" label like confetti, when one of the countless islamist shootings occur, the far right tag is never used and excuses regarding American intervention in the mid east etc are thrown about

davedanon · 15-03-2019 10:18am

Manic Moran wrote: »

His point isn't wrong, though.

One can't argue against Trump Jr's tweet.
"Don’t give the POS NZ shooter what he wants. Don’t speak his name don’t show the footage. Seems that most agree on that. The questions is can the media do what’s right and pass up the ratings they’ll get by doing the opposite? I fear we all know the answer unfortunately.. "

The only time I can recall that the media self-censored and refused to give the shooter publicity was when it was one of their own reporters was killed. We make mass shooters some of the most famous people in history.

Funny though, how that position seems to reverse when it's Islamist terrorism or brown people killing white people. As a matter of simple fact, Don Jr. is a vile piece of human excrement, and I find your whole considered, dispassionate, chin-stroking approach to this nauseating. I suppose you considered that even the slightest hint of condemnation from yourself would be superfluous, did you?

AudreyHepburn · 15-03-2019 10:18am

batgoat wrote: »

Inspired by Breivik apparently.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/03/15/new-zealand-mosque-shooterbrenton-tarrant-says-attack-inspired/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

That right there tells you all you need to know about these people.

The Moleman · 15-03-2019 10:18am

monreader wrote: »

I can use it fine and I live only 2 minutes away from the smaller mosque that was shot up.

A few years I tried signing in when I was in the UK and I wan't able to.

I remember a message that I was blocked for geographical reasons

Sardonicat · 15-03-2019 10:18am

Omackeral wrote: »

lbc2019 wrote: »

Some of these posts what a haven for far right hate speech boards has become

Where? I'm reading this at 9:15 and haven't seen any far right posts on this thread. Maybe they were scrubbed but as of now all I see is condemnantion of a cowardly terror attack.

They've been scrubbed, thankfully.

Cookie_Monster · 15-03-2019 10:19am

Utterly mental statement from an Australian senator:https://www.news.com.au/national/queensland/politics/politician-lashes-out-at-muslims-after-christchurch-shootings-they-are-the-perpetrators/news-story/8e3f11fe73821dc3e65d75432ac76f2e

Omackeral · 15-03-2019 10:19am

Pter wrote: »

Mod

You two AND lbc. Leave it out. Ill give you the benefit of the doubt you didnt see my mod warning. I wont if it continues.

Sorry, I replied to the post when I read it. The warning came just after that.

no.8 · 15-03-2019 10:19am

Hector Savage wrote:

This will greatly speed up the criminalization of the criticism of Islam.

There should be no rule for one, and none for the others. The media would tolerate that but society wouldn't in time. You cannot blame this on those you mentioned, as much as people blame violence on computer games etc.
These cretins (the perpetrators) should be dealt with in the harshest way possible. They've murdered innocent human beings and endangered countless more (Christian/Muslim/et all).

Wibbs · 15-03-2019 10:19am

Charles Ingles wrote: »

Shocking rip to victims.
No doubt it will turn out out to lone wolf attack by some head case radicalised on the internet.

As it stands from what I've read there are three in custody and there may be more out there. It was a multi pronged targeted attack by a group, not a lone wolf nutcase. A lone nutcase would be somehow more "comforting", appealing as that sounds at first read.

Mint Sauce · 15-03-2019 10:19am

I don't recall any major terrorist attacks in NZ prior to this. Just shows that no where is safe.

Killed for saying their prayers.

RIP

The Moleman · 15-03-2019 10:21am

Hector Savage wrote: »

Apologies.

No need. You did nothing wrong.

iamwhoiam · 15-03-2019 10:22am

Shocking news RIP to the victims .

Sardonicat · 15-03-2019 10:22am

Mint Sauce wrote: »

Killed for saying their prayers.

RIP

Sums up the foul nature of this cowardly act perfectly .

Jelle1880 · 15-03-2019 10:24am

****ing hell man, that is absolutely insane...

49 dead...

The Moleman · 15-03-2019 10:24am

Are the photos and videos from the live stream still on the internet are have they been blocked?

I don't want my kids or my sister's kids being shown anything in school on some idiot child's phone.

Gringo180 · 15-03-2019 10:26am

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

Utterly mental statement from an Australian senator:https://www.news.com.au/national/queensland/politics/politician-lashes-out-at-muslims-after-christchurch-shootings-they-are-the-perpetrators/news-story/8e3f11fe73821dc3e65d75432ac76f2e

****ing Aussies.

Thrashssacre · 15-03-2019 10:27am

The Moleman wrote: »

Are the photos and videos from the live stream still on the internet are have they been blocked?

I don't want my kids or my sister's kids being shown anything in school on some idiot child's phone.

Yeah there still up on some websites, may not be too easy for young kids to find although the audio is on YouTube.

Charles Ingles · 15-03-2019 10:27am

The Moleman wrote: »

Are the photos and videos from the live stream still on the internet are have they been blocked?

I don't want my kids or my sister's kids being shown anything in school on some idiot child's phone.

Still available they will see them unfortunately

Boggles · 15-03-2019 10:27am

On a now-deleted Twitter account, Tarrant posted multiple photos of what appear to be machine gun magazines and a link to what is being described as a manifesto for his actions.

The 74-page document starts off quoting a Dylan Thomas poem, Do not go gentle into that good night, and then moves onto a rant about white genocide.

Tarrant outlines his motivations: including to “create an atmosphere of fear” and to “incite violence” against Muslims while offering up autobiographical details.

Tarrant, an Australian citizen who is believed to come from the northern New South Wales town of Grafton, entitles his document ‘The Great Replacement’

The same Brevik type nonsense that has now made it into the mainstream unfortunately.

15-03-2019 10:28am

The Moleman wrote: »

Are the photos and videos from the live stream still on the internet are have they been blocked?

I don't want my kids or my sister's kids being shown anything in school on some idiot child's phone.

They are still available if you know where to look.

davedanon · 15-03-2019 10:28am

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Absolutely, the twitterati are out in force using the "far right" label like confetti, when one of the countless islamist shootings occur, the far right tag is never used and excuses regarding American intervention in the mid east etc are thrown about

Congratulations on an excellent piece of whataboutery. 49 people whose bodies are barely cold and you're making with the moral equivalence already. 'countless islamist shootings', eh? Why is it so important to you to indulge in this nonsense, unless at some level you sympathise with these people's repellent views. Why can't you just condemn this act of barbarism like a normal human being, ffs?

The Moleman · 15-03-2019 10:28am

Gringo180 wrote: »

****ing Aussies.

You see the irony in that phrase, right?

Mitch Connor · 15-03-2019 10:29am

Gringo180 wrote: »

****ing Aussies.

Woah woah woah there.

This guy does not represent more than about 17 australians. He may be a senator, but only got 17 votes to get in there (opponent was disqualified). His statement has been roundly and utterly condemned by all political sides in Australia. He has a history of being a racist, fascist, white supremacist - and his comments should only be taken in the light - to tar all Aussies with such views is vile.

Mass shooting New Zealand Mosque - MOD NOTE POST #1

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