Leinster Schools Rugby 2012-2013 [Provincial Schools Thread Link in Post 1]

Leinster5 · 09-10-2012 10:04pm

Quint2010 wrote: »

Terenure hosting Blackrock this Saturday.

That'll be some game, might go and watch if I have the time. Will give us a good indication of how both teams stand. Also think Clongowes are hosting Michaels next weekend. Good to see that there's big games happening with the schools Leinster reps involved.

RugbyHead15 · 12-10-2012 9:41am

Does anyone have any results from Division B, any teams with big results? I hear Newbridge and Roscrea are impressive.

Quint2010 · 12-10-2012 10:18am

'Nure v 'Rock match kicks off at 12.30 tomorrow.

Hayden1994 · 12-10-2012 3:14pm

Newbridge beat roscerea by four point and castle knock beat Wesley by two points don't know exact scores

Cup13 · 12-10-2012 4:12pm

Hayden1994 wrote: »

Newbridge beat roscerea by four point and castle knock beat Wesley by two points don't know exact scores

knock beat wesley 19-17 with a last minute try and conversion

fox_1973 · 12-10-2012 7:46pm

Quint2010 wrote: »

'Nure v 'Rock match kicks off at 12.30 tomorrow.

Should be a cracker of a game, both Billy Dardis and Rob Somerville are back in the starting line up

Quint2010 · 13-10-2012 2:23pm

Terenure beat Blackrock today. I think the final score was 36-16 but I could be wrong.

fox_1973 · 13-10-2012 3:07pm

Quint2010 wrote: »

Terenure beat Blackrock today. I think the final score was 36-16 but I could be wrong.

Was actually 38-20, good result all the same and very enjoyable to watch

Quint2010 · 13-10-2012 3:14pm

fox_1973 wrote: »

Was actually 38-20, good result all the same and very enjoyable to watch

Cheers. Wasn't sure what kicks were going over! I noticed Rock were missing Jaeger and Timoney went off and I think Terenure were only missing O'Neill. Still thought the Terenure backs were sensational.

nathan99 · 13-10-2012 3:21pm

If anybody is interested, me and a friend are in the process of developing a schools rugby app for Leinster. It will include like fixtures, results for Junior cup and senior cup. We are only doing those two first to see how it goes. It should be out before February hopefully so you can follow the cup. Jamie heaslip is already following us and we will wait till the app is out to get other leinster players to tweet about us.
Our twitter is @schoolsrugbyapp

gfitz95 · 13-10-2012 3:32pm

Michaels beat cbc cork at home today 24 18.Relatively poor performance by Michaels,seemed to lack a bit of intensity,but got the win.

Leinster5 · 13-10-2012 4:47pm

gfitz95 wrote: »

Michaels beat cbc cork at home today 24 18.Relatively poor performance by Michaels,seemed to lack a bit of intensity,but got the win.

So Michaels are still yet to lose. Will be a big test for them next week away to Clongowes.

Oldboy 92 · 13-10-2012 6:04pm

Leinster5 wrote: »

So Michaels are still yet to lose. Will be a big test for them next week away to Clongowes.

Would be surprised if Clongowes overturn Michaels. Saw 2nd half v Belvo today and they are poor compared tp previous years. Missing a few players, but could easily have lost to an average Belvo side.

6dsp9 · 14-10-2012 10:19pm

Any predictions on who is going to go straight into the academy if any?

knightro · 14-10-2012 10:25pm

Quint2010 wrote: »

Disagree with you. Think 'Rock are dark horses this year. They play Terenure next Saturday

unlucky mate. better luck next time

ormond lad · 14-10-2012 10:46pm

6dsp9 wrote: »

Any predictions on who is going to go straight into the academy if any?

really is too early to say which u19 players from club and schools systems will join academy. wait until schools cups, youths provincial and all ireland leagues and irish u18/19 teams play before academy places are even looked at.

Hagz · 14-10-2012 11:28pm

6dsp9 wrote: »

Any predictions on who is going to go straight into the academy if any?

I would hazard a guess and say
Billy Dardis
Harrison Brewer
Jack O'Neill

6dsp9 · 14-10-2012 11:34pm

Hagz wrote: »

I would hazard a guess and say
Billy Dardis
Harrison Brewer
Jack O'Neill

I think ormond is right yeah,as regards those 3 lads whilst they are very good schools and interpro players id say only one of them will go straight in

Hagz · 14-10-2012 11:40pm

6dsp9 wrote: »

I think ormond is right yeah,as regards those 3 lads whilst they are very good schools and interpro players id say only one of them will go straight in

Maybe, but 4 went straight in from school last year. And 3? the year before. And those lads were pretty easy to predict.

Quint2010 · 14-10-2012 11:44pm

knightro wrote: »

unlucky mate. better luck next time

On the contrary-I couldn't have been happier...:)

Quint2010 · 14-10-2012 11:51pm

Hagz wrote: »

I would hazard a guess and say
Billy Dardis
Harrison Brewer
Jack O'Neill

Yeah would agree with these 3. Dardis is as good as Conway was-at that age-if not better and Brewer is exactly the type of centre Leinster will be crying out for in a couple of years.

Leinster5 · 16-10-2012 8:27pm

Hagz wrote: »

I would hazard a guess and say
Billy Dardis
Harrison Brewer
Jack O'Neill

Jack O'Neill isn't academy material. Doesn't have a size to make it as a pro in the back row and wasn't that impressive for Leinster 19s. Leinster have enough back row talent at the moment. The other two are great players who'll go straight into the academy. Surely Michaels or Clongowes would have a few players worthy of getting into the academy ?

Quint2010 · 16-10-2012 8:46pm

Leinster5 wrote: »

Jack O'Neill isn't academy material. Doesn't have a size to make it as a pro in the back row and wasn't that impressive for Leinster 19s. Leinster have enough back row talent at the moment. The other two are great players who'll go straight into the academy. Surely Michaels or Clongowes would have a few players worthy of getting into the academy ?

Yeah not sure about O'Neill and really depends if Leinster are looking for a genuine openside. Is Leavy already one? I would say he is. Think Ross Byrne is definitely worth a spot for his kicking alone.

rugby_fan · 16-10-2012 8:58pm

One r two club players that Could be in contention for academy spot too in my opinion

Oldboy 92 · 16-10-2012 9:32pm

Quint2010 wrote: »

Yeah not sure about O'Neill and really depends if Leinster are looking for a genuine openside. Is Leavy already one? I would say he is. Think Ross Byrne is definitely worth a spot for his kicking alone.

Totally agree Quint! O'Neill didn't even start at 7 for the 19's. Would be surprised if Many more forwards go into the academy next time around as they clearly have most forward bases covered. Moloney from Roscrea is quite impressive. Dardis is a shoe in and Byrne in two years will follow. Really don't see too many more obvious candidates. Outside bet is adam byrne from ucd who was on the 19s with Daly and Farrell depending on whether they make the Irish 20s. Any games tomorrow or Sat worth going to?

Quint2010 · 16-10-2012 9:34pm

Oldboy 92 wrote: »

Totally agree Quint! O'Neill didn't even start at 7 for the 19's. Would be surprised if Many more forwards go into the academy next time around as they clearly have most forward bases covered. Moloney from Roscrea is quite impressive. Dardis is a shoe in and Byrne in two years will follow. Really don't see too many more obvious candidates. Outside bet is adam byrne from ucd who was on the 19s with Daly and Farrell depending on whether they make the Irish 20s. Any games tomorrow or Sat worth going to?

Sorry which Byrne are you referring to?

Tox56 · 16-10-2012 9:35pm

Was the outhalf who played for the schools team this year any good? Sounded like he was a good kicker from reports but I don't know anything about him

Quint2010 · 16-10-2012 9:42pm

Tox56 wrote: »

Was the outhalf who played for the schools team this year any good? Sounded like he was a good kicker from reports but I don't know anything about him

Yeah Ross Byrne. Is he not in sixth year?

Gordon Gecko · 16-10-2012 10:45pm

rugby_fan wrote: »

One r two club players that Could be in contention for academy spot too in my opinion

Who have you your eye on? Are we talking u18/19s or u21s/AIL?

fox_1973 · 16-10-2012 11:08pm

W

Quint2010 wrote: »

Yeah Ross Byrne. Is he not in sixth year?

yes, he is in 6th year

ormond lad · 16-10-2012 11:09pm

Gordon Gecko wrote: »

Who have you your eye on? Are we talking u18/19s or u21s/AIL?

I would assume rugby_fan is talking about 19s level
Having seen youths and 19s interpros this season there is several in the youths/clubs system that are v strong like prop peter dooley from birr, centre tom daly from carlow

Fight_Night · 16-10-2012 11:26pm

Quint2010 wrote: »

Yeah Ross Byrne. Is he not in sixth year?

Yeah he's in 6th year, serious talent in the Michaels backline between himself, Kelleher and McCarthy.

Quint2010 · 16-10-2012 11:45pm

Fight_Night wrote: »

Yeah he's in 6th year, serious talent in the Michaels backline between himself, Kelleher and McCarthy.

To be honest I wasn't that impressed with McCarthy during the interpro's. Thought he was lucky to get ahead of Tim Schmidt. Think Terenure have a better backline than 'Michaels but 'Michaels have a better pack.

Hagz · 17-10-2012 1:39am

Peter Dooley
Ross Molony
Shane Delahunt
Jack O'Neill
Bobby Holland
Billy Dardis
Harrison Brewer
Peter Robb
Cian Kelleher
Thomas Daly
Adam Byrne
Max McFarland

would be the guys I think who have a good chance at getting into the academy next year. With the bolded being the more likely. The u20 6N and JWC will throw up some more names I'm sure.

Quint2010 · 17-10-2012 1:56am

Hagz wrote: »

Peter Dooley
Ross Molony
Shane Delahunt
Jack O'Neill
Bobby Holland
Billy Dardis
Harrison Brewer
Peter Robb
Cian Kelleher
Thomas Daly
Adam Byrne
Max McFarland

would be the guys I think who have a good chance at getting into the academy next year. With the bolded being the more likely. The u20 6N and JWC will throw up some more names I'm sure.

McFarland is also a full back isn't he? They would hardly take two full backs into the academy at the same time would they?

ormond lad · 17-10-2012 2:26am

Hagz wrote: »

Peter Dooley
Ross Molony
Shane Delahunt
Jack O'Neill
Bobby Holland
Billy Dardis
Harrison Brewer
Peter Robb
Cian Kelleher
Thomas Daly
Adam Byrne
Max McFarland

would be the guys I think who have a good chance at getting into the academy next year. With the bolded being the more likely. The u20 6N and JWC will throw up some more names I'm sure.

3/12 are youths and 2/5 you highlight(and you know your stuff) are youths which is good to see.
AIL also highlights some players esp those who are out of school a year or two

Quint2010 wrote: »

McFarland is also a full back isn't he? They would hardly take two full backs into the academy at the same time would they?

Has he not played a lot of rugby with Leinster, Ireland 19s on the wing?
Bringing in 2 full backs at same time isnt that big a deal. Academy positions depend on need of the province so Leinster could bring in 2 fbs if they felt there was a real need for that position

Hagz · 17-10-2012 3:08am

The academy is quite light on backs, and considering they only took two backs last year (Marsh and McGrath) and a considerable amount of forwards, I would expect there to be more backs taken next year than forwards. If the rumours about Sherlock are true, then Hudson and SCM are the only full-backs in the academy and unless I'm mistaken, they are both in their final year. If we are to assume that those in their final year will graduate and leave the academy (which may not be the case) then there would be 5 backs and 12 forwards, and I'm including Coghlan as a back in this case.

Prop is becoming a serious area of depth. Delahunt is someone who under normal circumstances you would be quite confident of going into the academy, but with Moore and Furlong there, is there a need for him? And I'm not surprised that Tracy is trying his hand at hooker given the talent at LH. The dark horse for me though, and I've said it before on another thread, is Robb. He's turning a few heads at u21 level for Old Belvedere and is so physically developed. He's the opposite of the typical 'stout' centres we are used to at Leinster, but he might have to wait a while and try impress at AIL level.

bamboozle · 17-10-2012 8:48am

Hagz wrote: »

The academy is quite light on backs, and considering they only took two backs last year (Marsh and McGrath) and a considerable amount of forwards, I would expect there to be more backs taken next year than forwards. If the rumours about Sherlock are true, then Hudson and SCM are the only full-backs in the academy and unless I'm mistaken, they are both in their final year. If we are to assume that those in their final year will graduate and leave the academy (which may not be the case) then there would be 5 backs and 12 forwards, and I'm including Coghlan as a back in this case.

Prop is becoming a serious area of depth. Delahunt is someone who under normal circumstances you would be quite confident of going into the academy, but with Moore and Furlong there, is there a need for him? And I'm not surprised that Tracy is trying his hand at hooker given the talent at LH. The dark horse for me though, and I've said it before on another thread, is Robb. He's turning a few heads at u21 level for Old Belvedere and is so physically developed. He's the opposite of the typical 'stout' centres we are used to at Leinster, but he might have to wait a while and try impress at AIL level.

true. He's left the academy and is happy out playing AIL in 2B with Skerries.

Oldboy 92 · 17-10-2012 9:36am

Quint2010 wrote: »

Sorry which Byrne are you referring to?

Sorry the St Michaels 10, he was very impressive in the SCT Final. I was told that day he was only a 4th year.

fox_1973 · 17-10-2012 9:40am

Oldboy 92 wrote: »

Sorry the St Michaels 10, he was very impressive in the SCT Final. I was told that day he was only a 4th year.

Ross Byrne, they must of been mistaken, he was in 5th year for the final

6dsp9 · 17-10-2012 4:04pm

Hagz wrote: »

The academy is quite light on backs, and considering they only took two backs last year (Marsh and McGrath) and a considerable amount of forwards, I would expect there to be more backs taken next year than forwards. If the rumours about Sherlock are true, then Hudson and SCM are the only full-backs in the academy and unless I'm mistaken, they are both in their final year. If we are to assume that those in their final year will graduate and leave the academy (which may not be the case) then there would be 5 backs and 12 forwards, and I'm including Coghlan as a back in this case.

Prop is becoming a serious area of depth. Delahunt is someone who under normal circumstances you would be quite confident of going into the academy, but with Moore and Furlong there, is there a need for him? And I'm not surprised that Tracy is trying his hand at hooker given the talent at LH. The dark horse for me though, and I've said it before on another thread, is Robb. He's turning a few heads at u21 level for Old Belvedere and is so physically developed. He's the opposite of the typical 'stout' centres we are used to at Leinster, but he might have to wait a while and try impress at AIL level.

I believe this is a big problem with the mindset around here,places in the academy shouldn't be given because theyve spent time in the gym and are "physically developed"

Leinster5 · 17-10-2012 8:07pm

Quint2010 wrote: »

To be honest I wasn't that impressed with McCarthy during the interpro's. Thought he was lucky to get ahead of Tim Schmidt. Think Terenure have a better backline than 'Michaels but 'Michaels have a better pack.

Do Terenure have a better back-line than Michaels ? Thought Michaels still had McCarthy, Byrne, Kelleher and Leavy back from last year, or am I mistaken ?

gfitz95 · 17-10-2012 8:11pm

my potential academy players:
billy dardis
ross byrne
rory moloney
steven o neill (assuming he gets fit in time for cup)
cian kelleher
That is only people involved i the cup this year.Dont think Brewers good enough to make it but may on reputation.

Hagz · 17-10-2012 8:50pm

6dsp9 wrote: »

I believe this is a big problem with the mindset around here,places in the academy shouldn't be given because theyve spent time in the gym and are "physically developed"

Rugby is a physical sport and like it or not being bigger does give you an advantage. Now it's one thing just being ahead of the posse because you've been hibernating in the weights room, but it's another thing to be genetically built and have the skill set to match. When I said "physically developed" I meant in a natural sense. Some guys can spend a lot of time in the gym and not reach the size that others guys can. For instance if you take someone like Macken, who's been in the professional set-up for a while now, and you stood him beside Robb, there would be a noticeable difference. It's all my opinion of course, and Robb's size isn't the only thing that's impressive about him, but it's also not something to be sniffed at.

6dsp9 · 17-10-2012 9:47pm

Hagz wrote: »

Rugby is a physical sport and like it or not being bigger does give you an advantage. Now it's one thing just being ahead of the posse because you've been hibernating in the weights room, but it's another thing to be genetically built and have the skill set to match. When I said "physically developed" I meant in a natural sense. Some guys can spend a lot of time in the gym and not reach the size that others guys can. For instance if you take someone like Macken, who's been in the professional set-up for a while now, and you stood him beside Robb, there would be a noticeable difference. It's all my opinion of course, and Robb's size isn't the only thing that's impressive about him, but it's also not something to be sniffed at.

How much of an advantage did being big give Tony Buckley and Stewart Maguire? They both got shunned because a more technically proficient player came along. The older you get the less and less size is a factor. Obviously it's always handy to have someone who's naturally big because they might have potential but invariably they don't have the skills to match. Macken was bigger than many at schools and was a very powerful lad who used his size to his advantage,but now he's matured into a very intelligent skilful player with a great step and a fresh pair of hands,despite not being as big as others. I appreciate your opinion

Quint2010 · 17-10-2012 10:17pm

Leinster5 wrote: »

Do Terenure have a better back-line than Michaels ? Thought Michaels still had McCarthy, Byrne, Kelleher and Leavy back from last year, or am I mistaken ?

Terenure have Schmidt, Brewer, Dardis, Madigan (all Leinster u18 players-Madigan from 2011) O'Neill and Clarkin(injured last year-both Leinster U19 players) plus Tom O'Brien and Conor Weakliam all back from last year. I haven't seen 'Michaels backline but would have to be a very good one to come anywhere near Terenure's one. By the sounds of things 'Michaels have a very strong pack and this is where Terenure may struggle if they face them in the cup.

gfitz95 wrote: »

my potential academy players:
billy dardis
ross byrne
rory moloney
steven o neill (assuming he gets fit in time for cup)
cian kelleher
That is only people involved i the cup this year.Dont think Brewers good enough to make it but may on reputation.

Be amazed if Brewer doesn't get an academy spot. Physically he is exactly what Leinster are crying out for in the centre going forward-plus he has fantastic hands and is an excellent defender. The only thing he lacks is pace which could count against him.

6dsp9 · 17-10-2012 11:02pm

gfitz95 wrote: »

my potential academy players:
billy dardis
ross byrne
rory moloney
steven o neill (assuming he gets fit in time for cup)
cian kelleher
That is only people involved i the cup this year.Dont think Brewers good enough to make it but may on reputation.

Don't think any of those lads will make it straight out.Someone mentioned Dooley,Daly,Byrne and McFarland,I'd add Delahunt to that list. Id say Delahunt and Dooley will go into sub academy next year after the summer. Byrne is already in there and judging by how he gets on with Ireland 20s will progress.Moloney is a serious operator but don't think he has the height to make it as a 2nd row. Ross Byrne is another class player with a quality boot. Ste O'Neill is good but not that good if you follow I think. What about this Conor McKeon from Gonzaga? I watched their game against Terenure last year and he was the best player on the pitch. He controls the game excellently and most importlantly looks like he has the attitude and qualities to go very far,as well as being a fearless tackler to boot.

6dsp9 · 17-10-2012 11:07pm

Quint2010 wrote: »

Terenure have Schmidt, Brewer, Dardis, Madigan (all Leinster u18 players-Madigan from 2011) O'Neill and Clarkin(injured last year-both Leinster U19 players) plus Tom O'Brien and Conor Weakliam all back from last year. I haven't seen 'Michaels backline but would have to be a very good one to come anywhere near Terenure's one. By the sounds of things 'Michaels have a very strong pack and this is where Terenure may struggle if they face them in the cup.

Be amazed if Brewer doesn't get an academy spot. Physically he is exactly what Leinster are crying out for in the centre going forward-plus he has fantastic hands and is an excellent defender. The only thing he lacks is pace which could count against him.

I agree with Quint I think Brewer is a really good player and could be very valuable to Leinster,not due to his size but because he's something different to what we usually have here. He has that NZ flair and runs with the ball in two hands and importantly always looks to offload. Little bit predictable with the step back into traffic but a great operator who plays with serious enthusiasm

Fight_Night · 17-10-2012 11:10pm

6dsp9 wrote: »

Don't think any of those lads will make it straight out.Someone mentioned Dooley,Daly,Byrne and McFarland,I'd add Delahunt to that list. Id say Delahunt and Dooley will go into sub academy next year after the summer. Byrne is already in there and judging by how he gets on with Ireland 20s will progress.Moloney is a serious operator but don't think he has the height to make it as a 2nd row. Ross Byrne is another class player with a quality boot. Ste O'Neill is good but not that good if you follow I think. What about this Conor McKeon from Gonzaga? I watched their game against Terenure last year and he was the best player on the pitch. He controls the game excellently and most importlantly looks like he has the attitude and qualities to go very far,as well as being a fearless tackler to boot.

Moloney is no smaller than 6'6'', think that's big enough for a second row no?

Hagz · 17-10-2012 11:15pm

Fight_Night wrote: »

Moloney is no smaller than 6'6'', think that's big enough for a second row no?

Maybe you're confusing Rory with Ross (the Michael's second row). Rory Moloney is from Roscrea and is 6'4 I think. He could develop into a blindside though, in the McLaughlin mould.

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