UK Championship 2019 26/11 - 8/12 BBC/Eurosport

Joe_ Public · 03-12-2019 4:48pm

waynescales1 wrote: »

Did he go on to win the frame from that shot?

No, potted good black but missed next difficult red.

nkl12xtw5goz70 · 03-12-2019 4:56pm

Ronnie through 6-2, and it looks like he will play Ding (currently leading Carter 5-3) in the last 16.

The Nal · 03-12-2019 5:17pm

Yup Ding through now. Great game ahead.

gormdubhgorm · 03-12-2019 5:49pm

The Nal wrote: »

Yup Ding through now. Great game ahead.

Captain Carter gave it a good rattle. Ding normally folds playing Ronnie - his idol etc?

I looked up the stats -

https://cuetracker.net/head-to-head/ronnie-osullivan/ding-junhui

Ding has only beaten Ronnie 4 times out of the 20 times they have played.
The QF World Championship win by Ding was supposed to be the turning point in 2017. But he has not beaten Ronnie since in three matches after 2017.

nkl12xtw5goz70 · 03-12-2019 7:38pm

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Captain Carter gave it a good rattle. Ding normally folds playing Ronnie - his idol etc?

Ding has always struggled against Ronnie — and now he's struggling in general with poor form, and just holding on to his top 16 spot by the skin of his teeth. He's not guaranteed a place at the 2020 Masters.

The Nal · 03-12-2019 7:46pm

There was a lot of pressure/hype put on Ding when he started remember. The start of the Chinese domination etc. In reality he's just a solid pro. Beating Ronnie 4 times out of 20 is about right.

nkl12xtw5goz70 · 03-12-2019 7:52pm

True about the pressure with so many expecting him to be the first Chinese world champion, etc. I think Ding is much more talented than the average, but he never managed to live up to his potential.

Not in the mood for Selby tonight, so I'm going to watch Jack Lisowski/Yan Bingtao.

Joe_ Public · 03-12-2019 8:02pm

Ding is the great underachiever for me. Of course there was great pressure on him from his own nation but I'd have thought living thousands of miles away would have insulated him somewhat from it. Plus, a guy who left home at 15 to settle in a place he didnt even know the language, i thought that guy would be tough enough to withstand anything.

Still a decent career by most measures i guess. Just i expected a couple of world titles by now. That season a few years ago he won 5 ranking titles he was almost unplayable but that kind of form was never sustained for very long periods. An enigma really.

Joe_ Public · 03-12-2019 8:14pm

Lisowski is good to watch anyway. Terrific potter in the trump mould, no surprise they're old pals, but doesn't have the tactical game and unsure if he ever will. Not having best of seasons so far.

waynescales1 · 03-12-2019 8:57pm

Talking about Ding like his career is almost over, he’s 32. 13 ranking events wins, 1 behind Trump, 3 behind Selby.

Needs to win the WC to be considered one of the best of course, plenty of time for that to happen.

nkl12xtw5goz70 · 03-12-2019 8:57pm

Ha, I've just been told I'm only watching the Lisowski match because Desislava Bozhilova is refereeing :pac:

nkl12xtw5goz70 · 03-12-2019 9:02pm

waynescales1 wrote: »

Talking about Ding like his career is almost over, he’s 32. 13 ranking events wins, 1 behind Trump, 3 behind Selby.

One ranking title in the last five years, though (when he previously won five ranking titles in one season), and now precariously close to dropping out of the top 16.

Joe_ Public · 03-12-2019 9:21pm

waynescales1 wrote: »

Talking about Ding like his career is almost over, he’s 32. 13 ranking events wins, 1 behind Trump, 3 behind Selby.

Needs to win the WC to be considered one of the best of course, plenty of time for that to happen.

True. 32 is nothing really when you see what guys in their 40s do these days. Though i have trouble seeing it at this stage. Just find it hard to work him out, whether he really has the bottle required to be world champ. But he does have a good decade anyway to prove me wrong on that.

nkl12xtw5goz70 · 03-12-2019 9:43pm

Joe_ Public wrote: »

True. 32 is nothing really when you see what guys in their 40s do these days. Though i have trouble seeing it at this stage. Just find it hard to work him out, whether he really has the bottle required to be world champ. But he does have a good decade anyway to prove me wrong on that.

That said, it's hard to think of many players who've won the world championship for the first time over the age of 30. Bingham did it at age 38, but that's very much the exception.

Dante7 · 03-12-2019 9:48pm

Mckenna Crashing Material wrote: »

Ha, I've just been told I'm only watching the Lisowski match because Desislava Bozhilova is refereeing :pac:

Is that match only on the Eurosport player?

nkl12xtw5goz70 · 03-12-2019 9:49pm

Dante7 wrote: »

Is that match only on the Eurosport player?

That's where I'm watching it. Not sure if it's anywhere else.

Joe_ Public · 03-12-2019 10:02pm

Mckenna Crashing Material wrote: »

That said, it's hard to think of many players who've won the world championship for the first time over the age of 30. Bingham did it at age 38, but that's very much the exception.

Not many off top of head, selby i think? Ebdon maybe, have to check though.

Back in the day it was common enough though. Terry Griffiths didnt actually turn pro till his mid 30s i think, was 28 when he made his first competitive century. In Gordon Burns great book, Griffiths said winning world title was worst thing that could have happened to him. Went back to his local club after and they virtually blanked him!

But different game back then it has to be said.

waynescales1 · 03-12-2019 10:09pm

Joe_ Public wrote: »

Not many off top of head, selby i think? Ebdon maybe, have to check though.

Back in the day it was common enough though. Terry Griffiths didnt actually turn pro till his mid 30s i think, was 28 when he made his first competitive century. In Gordon Burns great book, Griffiths said winning world title was worst thing that could have happened to him. Went back to his local club after and they virtually blanked him!

But different game back then it has to be said.

What's that about?

Talking about the pressure on Ding from China, just reading about the 2016 WC when he reached the final....

"The total global audiences for the tournament exceeded 300 million, with 210 million viewers in China alone."

nkl12xtw5goz70 · 03-12-2019 10:21pm

Joe_ Public wrote: »

Not many off top of head, selby i think? Ebdon maybe, have to check though.

True — both of them were 31 when they won their first world title. Joe Johnson was 33. Dennis Taylor was 36.

I'm not counting players from the 70s because it was such a different game back then.

Notably too, most players who won their first title at 30+ (Johnson, Taylor, Ebdon, Bingham) were one-hit wonders.

Joe_ Public · 03-12-2019 10:30pm

waynescales1 wrote: »

What's that about?

Talking about the pressure on Ding from China, just reading about the 2016 WC when he reached the final....

"The total global audiences for the tournament exceeded 300 million, with 210 million viewers in China alone."

From what i remember they just figured he was a bit of a billy big head coming home with his trophy and didnt want to know. A while since i read the book but that was the gist of it. Griffiths then fell in with hearns matchroom mob and that was a big mistake, hated the grubby materialism of it all.

Arthur Daley · 03-12-2019 10:41pm

Selby v O'Donnell is a slow burner. Could be a late one. Selby fairly lucky to be 3-2 up.

DelBoy Trotter · 03-12-2019 11:05pm

Arthur Daley wrote: »

Selby v O'Donnell is a slow burner. Could be a late one. Selby fairly lucky to be 3-2 up.

O’Donnell wasted a good chance there. If Selby wins this 7th frame, I can’t see a comeback from O’Donnell

nkl12xtw5goz70 · 03-12-2019 11:08pm

Yan beats a very erratic Jack Lisowski 6-3.

Another top 16 player exited tonight as Gary Wilson beat Joe Perry 6-1.

Arthur Daley · 03-12-2019 11:09pm

Another great chance here. Needs to close it out. Loads of what Hendry would call 'unforced errors' in this one.

Joe_ Public · 03-12-2019 11:13pm

Dont think lisowski has it in him, some crazy shots tonight. Just far too casual, you gotta respect the balls.

DelBoy Trotter · 03-12-2019 11:16pm

Big frame for O’Donnell to win. It’s getting interesting now!

Joe_ Public · 04-12-2019 3:01pm

Interesting discussion on cue changes on bbc there. Higgins using a new cue last 5 weeks hoping he can get more power out of it. McManus says changing cue isnt much of a big deal anymore to which Ken replies "I've had the same cue for 40 years."

Enjoyed it. They need to do more of it.

waynescales1 · 04-12-2019 4:42pm

Was it McManus who played most of his career with a cue he bought for a fiver?

This Higgins v Bingham match is absolutely brutal stuff.

The Nal · 04-12-2019 4:53pm

waynescales1 wrote: »

Was it McManus who played most of his career with a cue he bought for a fiver?

This Higgins v Bingham match is absolutely brutal stuff.

Kens queue cost £2 and is warped.

nkl12xtw5goz70 · 04-12-2019 5:09pm

Higgins is always changing his cue -- he seems to tinker far more than the other top players.

He's mostly been rubbish this tournament, though. The first four frames he played against Burns were some of the worst snooker I've seen on TV in a long time.

nkl12xtw5goz70 · 04-12-2019 5:14pm

Maflin 5-4 up over Allen here and 33-0 ahead in the tenth frame.

Joe_ Public · 04-12-2019 5:17pm

Chance for mark.

Arthur Daley · 04-12-2019 5:19pm

Changing cue was like undergoing major surgery for a snooker player. A major traumatic event in a player's career. Don't know when this idea changed all of a sudden. Higgins looks fairly shot, as he did this time last year. But then he still managed to crawl back to a second consecutive Crucible final.

Joe_ Public · 04-12-2019 5:25pm

McManus was suggesting that because they play so much now, he even had figures on how many shots they'd play in a year, that was why cue changing was a more common thing. But thats when ken came back with the line about having the same cue for 40 years. So not sure about that one.

I do know it's common enough for some players to swap regularly between a few different cues, maybe its down to improved manufacturing techniques but not sure on that.

nkl12xtw5goz70 · 04-12-2019 5:25pm

Sloppy of Allen to miss that simple yellow and let Maflin back to the table to play for snookers. Still looking like a deciding frame though.

nkl12xtw5goz70 · 04-12-2019 5:32pm

Maflin in first in the decider

Joe_ Public · 04-12-2019 5:38pm

Some excellent safety there, thought Allen had engineered great position for himself but that was terrific pot from maflin. Match winner potentially.

nkl12xtw5goz70 · 04-12-2019 5:41pm

Allen in trouble here. Maflin among the balls with a 45 point lead.

nkl12xtw5goz70 · 04-12-2019 5:43pm

Wasn't expecting that! Allen could steal this now.

Joe_ Public · 04-12-2019 5:45pm

Maflin butchered that. Should be getting ready for post match victory press conference by now.

nkl12xtw5goz70 · 04-12-2019 5:48pm

Great couple of pots there by Maflin. Not easily done in a deciding frame. But then he misses the red...

Joe_ Public · 04-12-2019 5:52pm

I wouldn't hsve tsken that brown on but not blaming him for it. Was brave and just didn't get the reward.

nkl12xtw5goz70 · 04-12-2019 5:52pm

And Allen wins the deciding frame on the black. Drama! Maflin really threw that away though.

nkl12xtw5goz70 · 04-12-2019 6:12pm

Bingham misses a simple red after someone's mobile phone goes off, and Higgins clears up to lead 5-4. Bingham looks furious and I don't blame him.

Joe_ Public · 04-12-2019 7:02pm

It was unfortunate for Bingham but did he let it get to him much? Hendry for one didnt have all that much sympathty for him.

nkl12xtw5goz70 · 04-12-2019 7:51pm

Joe_ Public wrote: »

It was unfortunate for Bingham but did he let it get to him much? Hendry for one didnt have all that much sympathty for him.

I think it ordinarily might not have affected him that much, but it came at an absolutely pivotal point in the match.

Hendry in the peak years of his career hardly had to content with mobile phones at all, so it's easy for him to say.

Joe_ Public · 04-12-2019 8:13pm

Mckenna Crashing Material wrote: »

I think it ordinarily might not have affected him that much, but it came at an absolutely pivotal point in the match.

Hendry in the peak years of his career hardly had to content with mobile phones at all, so it's easy for him to say.

Yeah fair enough. I suppose hendry was saying if it had happened as he was pulling the cue through then ok, but he'd had time to back off and settle himself so shouldn't have missed the pot. But easy enough to say i guess.

nkl12xtw5goz70 · 04-12-2019 9:27pm

Another big name struggling here as Yan Bingtao takes a 3-0 lead over Neil Robertson.

DelBoy Trotter · 04-12-2019 9:38pm

Mckenna Crashing Material wrote: »

Another big name struggling here as Yan Bingtao takes a 3-0 lead over Neil Robertson.

Now 4-0. Good chance of an upset here

The Nal · 04-12-2019 9:43pm

Robbo taking a hiding here.

UK Championship 2019 26/11 - 8/12 BBC/Eurosport

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