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  • #102
    Asus1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 560 ✭✭✭Asus1


    Well the renewal grant came today with a date of the 12/2/2020 the letter of notification that they received my renewal request was dated 6/2/2020 and i handed it in the 17th of last month.So overall it took a little over a month which is about as long as it takes me to get a substitution here.All my panicking was a bit premature.


  • #103
    Max H
    Registered Users Posts: 216 ✭✭Max H


    Getting slower i reckon.

    This time last year from handing in application to licence in hand was 3 weeks

    So far this year for a Semi Auto, 5 weeks and i have heard nothing, other that one of my referees confirmed that they had been contacted by the Gard about 1 week after i submitted my application.


  • #104
    ZiabR
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,575 ✭✭✭ZiabR


    Very much depends on where you are it seems. My last Substitute was submitted on the 22nd Nov 2019 and I didn't get the licence until late January. New applications are taking the full 12 weeks where I am.


  • #105
    cookimonster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,759 ✭✭✭cookimonster


    I think it's just down to the individuals processing and not a 'policy', added into the mix would be the operation of your local Garda Station. If your not going directly to the District HQ then its another link in the chain.

    I deal with the District HQ and with the exception of one useless lazy individual, all my applications and renewals have been processed very quickly.

    My recent renewal, from time of dropping in the form was about three weeks to the date of me receiving my grant letter.
    Basicly applied, 10 days later, I received the receipt of application, the following week, the grant letter was in the post.

    Now just to get confirmation of NV approval!


  • #106
    cookimonster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,759 ✭✭✭cookimonster


    I think it's just down to the individuals processing and not a 'policy', added into the mix would be the operation of your local Garda Station. If your not going directly to the District HQ then its another link in the chain.

    I deal with the District HQ and with the exception of one useless lazy individual, all my applications and renewals have been processed very quickly.

    My recent renewal, from time of dropping in the form was about three weeks to the date of me receiving my grant letter.
    Basicly applied, 10 days later, I received the receipt of application, the following week, the grant letter was in the post.

    Now just to get confirmation of NV approval!


  • #107
    dunner515
    Registered Users Posts: 310 ✭✭dunner515


    I applied for a new application for a 12G semi. 7 weeks later and I haven't heard a thing. I did call into the FO on week 3 to see what stage my application was at and he said all looked good. Haven't recieved a letter stating they have received my application so have called into the station 3 times over the last week and haven't been able to get hold of the FO


  • #108
    Max H
    Registered Users Posts: 216 ✭✭Max H


    dunner515 wrote: »
    I applied for a new application for a 12G semi. 7 weeks later and I haven't heard a thing. I did call into the FO on week 3 to see what stage my application was at and he said all looked good. Haven't recieved a letter stating they have received my application so have called into the station 3 times over the last week and haven't been able to get hold of the FO


    What area as a matter of interest


  • #109
    dunner515
    Registered Users Posts: 310 ✭✭dunner515


    Max H wrote: »
    What area as a matter of interest

    Westmeath


  • #110
    Max H
    Registered Users Posts: 216 ✭✭Max H


    Be six weeks soon. Wondering at what stage do I start making polite enquiries as to what is happening.


  • #111
    dunner515
    Registered Users Posts: 310 ✭✭dunner515


    So I called into the FO to see about my 1st time new application as it was submitted 2 months ago. The application is still sitting on his desk, he said I should hear something in the next month or two. I said is it not considered an automatic refusal after the 3 months and he said no, some applications don't get processed for up to 12 months. I personally think he was just trying to fob me off. Anyone any advice?


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  • #112
    Max H
    Registered Users Posts: 216 ✭✭Max H


    https://www.garda.ie/en/about-us/online-services/firearms-licensing/commissioner-s-guidelines-2018.pdf

    Page 13, i would remind the FO of the following

    COMMUNICATION OF THE DECISION ON THE GRANTING OF A FIREARMS
    CERTIFICATE
    Section 3 of the Firearms Act 1925 as amended, provides that a decision on an
    application for a firearms certificate or its renewal shall be given within 3 months from
    the date on which the applicant submitted a completed application. However, every effort
    shall be made by issuing persons to ensure that all new applications and applications to
    renew are processed as soon as is practicable. If a decision on an application is not
    made within 3 months, then under section 15A of the Firearms Act 1925, as inserted by
    section 43 of the Criminal Justice Act 2006 this is deemed to be a refusal.


  • #113
    Max H
    Registered Users Posts: 216 ✭✭Max H


    Basically from The Garda Commissioners guidelines it is a written act/law a decision SHALL be given in three months.

    I am at 6 weeks and waiting, i will be phoning shortly myself to enquire


  • #114
    dunner515
    Registered Users Posts: 310 ✭✭dunner515


    I would also like to mention and I'll quote the FO "when lads go to buy a gun they just want it then and there. If they put pressure on us to issue them a licence we just automatically refuse it"


  • #115
    robbiearmst
    Registered Users Posts: 4 ✭robbiearmst


    Applied for a new license for a .308 on the 2nd March, received the grant letter on the 9th March


  • #116
    dunner515
    Registered Users Posts: 310 ✭✭dunner515


    I have 1 week left within the 3 month time period, I haven't heard a peep from the F.O or the Super.

    Anyone any suggestions?

    And I just want to clear things up, does the 3 month period start from when I handed in the application or from when it lands on the supers desk?


  • #117
    BattleCorp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,789 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    dunner515 wrote: »
    I have 1 week left within the 3 month time period, I haven't heard a peep from the F.O or the Super.

    Anyone any suggestions?

    And I just want to clear things up, does the 3 month period start from when I handed in the application or from when it lands on the supers desk?

    The three month period starts when the Gardai enter your renewal form onto the Pulse system.

    Phone your FO and ask what the story is. Don't ignore it.


  • #118
    dunner515
    Registered Users Posts: 310 ✭✭dunner515


    BattleCorp wrote: »
    The three month period starts when the Gardai enter your renewal form onto the Pulse system.

    Phone your FO and ask what the story is. Don't ignore it.

    It's not a renewal, it's a first time application. Would that make a difference?


  • #119
    Max H
    Registered Users Posts: 216 ✭✭Max H


    according to Gard comish guidlines its 3 months from date you SUBMITTED application


  • #120
    Max H
    Registered Users Posts: 216 ✭✭Max H


    Section 3 of the Firearms Act 1925 as amended, provides that a decision on an
    application for a firearms certificate or its renewal shall be given within 3 months from
    the date on which the applicant submitted a completed application. However, every effort
    shall be made by issuing persons to ensure that all new applications and applications to
    renew are processed as soon as is practicable. If a decision on an application is not
    made within 3 months, then under section 15A of the Firearms Act 1925, as inserted by
    section 43 of the Criminal Justice Act 2006 this is deemed to be a refusal.


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  • #121
    dunner515
    Registered Users Posts: 310 ✭✭dunner515


    Max H wrote: »
    Section 3 of the Firearms Act 1925 as amended, provides that a decision on an
    application for a firearms certificate or its renewal shall be given within 3 months from
    the date on which the applicant submitted a completed application. However, every effort
    shall be made by issuing persons to ensure that all new applications and applications to
    renew are processed as soon as is practicable. If a decision on an application is not
    made within 3 months, then under section 15A of the Firearms Act 1925, as inserted by
    section 43 of the Criminal Justice Act 2006 this is deemed to be a refusal.

    That's what I thought.
    Can an F.O deliberately just stall an application without handing it to the Super in that 3 month time period?


  • #122
    Max H
    Registered Users Posts: 216 ✭✭Max H


    Are you a member of the NARGC, if so i would give them a call


  • #123
    BattleCorp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,789 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    dunner515 wrote: »
    It's not a renewal, it's a first time application. Would that make a difference?

    Sorry, didn't mean to type renewal there. It's supposed to be three months from when you submit it but speaking from experience, the forms can often be sitting in your local station for months before the FO puts them up on the Pulse. Some stations are quite quick and others are disasterous.

    Officially it appears that the gardai record the date of submission as being the date it is entered onto the Pulse system and in reality, the date it is handed in and the date it is entered onto the Pulse can be very far apart.
    Max H wrote: »
    Section 3 of the Firearms Act 1925 as amended, provides that a decision on an
    application for a firearms certificate or its renewal shall be given within 3 months from
    the date on which the applicant submitted a completed application. However, every effort
    shall be made by issuing persons to ensure that all new applications and applications to
    renew are processed as soon as is practicable. If a decision on an application is not
    made within 3 months, then under section 15A of the Firearms Act 1925, as inserted by
    section 43 of the Criminal Justice Act 2006 this is deemed to be a refusal.


    With respect, that paragraph above doesn't mean much as many districts don't adhere to it. Many firearms owners have had their licences granted when the timeframe from start to finish was much longer than that listed above. I've had applications that took over 6 months from start to finish.
    dunner515 wrote: »
    Can an F.O deliberately just stall an application without handing it to the Super in that 3 month time period?

    It could be that they are too busy and don't get a chance to do it as speedily as they you would like. Others mayb be lazy and not bother their hole. I doubt it is done deliberately in many cases. You'll never prove a FO did it deliberately eitherways.


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