Irish Promotions Thread Please read post 1 (*Mod Warning Post #3947)

jaykhunter · 18-02-2020 8:39pm

weareallmarks wrote: »

You think when i say dealt with you think I mean like the sopranos? Ah lads! Talk about it, point out the stupidity and people will stop doing it to try and get your applause. It is ruining peoples enjoyment.

Grow up a bit

Mod note: Yeah so if you're going to insult/dismiss other people's opinion with snippy remarks, or continue to skirt the line, we'll hand out bans and/or lock the thread for a bit. It's incredulous how this thread needs more modding attn than every other thread on the forum combined - it doesn't do Irish promotions any favours. Please be respectful, cheers.

leggo · 18-02-2020 9:00pm

Still find the mat slapper hate bizarre btw. It’s not the cinema or theatre like, a big and crucial part of the show is fan reactions, this is how some people choose to react. It’s essentially an empathic clap and I don’t see how it’s more distracting than chants or claps.

Being perfectly honest, and I’ve said this before, any hatred for it smacks a bit of jealousy at these people getting appreciation or attention. For example, there were no major ‘mat slapping’ moments this weekend. We’re talking about this because a wrestler mentioned it in a promo...nobody has actually *done* anything to anger anyone, yet people are triggered all the same. I think if most people here did something fun and different with mates to show their appreciation and it got mentioned positively by those on the show, they’d probably be made up. These lads get shout outs all the time so the bit of heat they’re picking up here is almost predictable, if a little bizarre considering I imagine most of us are grown men in our 30’s...

Insect Overlord · 18-02-2020 10:37pm

Moving on, and looking outside of Dublin, it seems Steve Savage is nearly ready to make his comeback in Phoenix Wrestling. He's been out of the ring ever since some heinous and reprehensible actions ( :pac: ) by Justy in Dolan's Warehouse in Limerick last St.Patrick's Day.

ThePott · 18-02-2020 10:48pm

Yep coming back as part of the tag team Damaged Goods with Dean Power.
Really liked their promo too.

dlync02 · 19-02-2020 11:08am

Quick question, how strict are OTT with the age limit? Scrappermania is over 15s but my son is 12 (wouldn't pass for 15 either), do you see many younger kids get into the over 15/16 shows? The only reason I'd go is if I could take him.

Ali Bomaye · 19-02-2020 11:13am

Tag match from the weekend with Scotty & Callum v Omari and OJMO was fantastic. I've really enjoyed Omari since he has come to OTT. I hope it's just Scotty v Omari at ScrapperMania and they don't shoehorn Callum into the match.

The angle with Joe coming down to save B Cool was absolutely brilliant, building erupted when Joe came out and rightfully so after all the build they've put into that moment. Love B Cool.

The MTH 6 man match was an absolute waste of my time. Was hoping the crowd would stop asking for flips so these lads would stop running around the building and just wrestle. Also that MTH activated spot they do is so bad. Sometimes MTH matches work for me and sometimes they don't.

The women's three way was not good, a couple of kicks right out in front of me were a mile off. Got me back into it a bit with the Martina and Amy strike exchange but didn't think this match was much to get excited about.

Starr v Cobb was fine but I just couldn't get into. They've done a great job building to ScrapperMania though. I am very excited for it already with the Starr v Mox match and the Joe / B Cool tag team. Just hope it's Omari v Scotty 1 on 1 too. This is the best built undercard they've had in a long time. The promos and hype video for the Starr v Mox match should be great.

showpony1 · 19-02-2020 11:41am

Ali Bomaye wrote: »

Tag match from the weekend with Scotty & Callum v Omari and OJMO was fantastic. I've really enjoyed Omari since he has come to OTT. I hope it's just Scotty v Omari at ScrapperMania and they don't shoehorn Callum into the match.

The angle with Joe coming down to save B Cool was absolutely brilliant, building erupted when Joe came out and rightfully so after all the build they've put into that moment. Love B Cool.

The MTH 6 man match was an absolute waste of my time. Was hoping the crowd would stop asking for flips so these lads would stop running around the building and just wrestle. Also that MTH activated spot they do is so bad. Sometimes MTH matches work for me and sometimes they don't.

The women's three way was not good, a couple of kicks right out in front of me were a mile off. Got me back into it a bit with the Martina and Amy strike exchange but didn't think this match was much to get excited about.

Starr v Cobb was fine but I just couldn't get into. They've done a great job building to ScrapperMania though. I am very excited for it already with the Starr v Mox match and the Joe / B Cool tag team. Just hope it's Omari v Scotty 1 on 1 too. This is the best built undercard they've had in a long time. The promos and hype video for the Starr v Mox match should be great.

Quite negative towards some of our Irish talents there.

brianblaze · 19-02-2020 11:46am

Ali Bomaye wrote: »

Tag match from the weekend with Scotty & Callum v Omari and OJMO was fantastic. I've really enjoyed Omari since he has come to OTT. I hope it's just Scotty v Omari at ScrapperMania and they don't shoehorn Callum into the match.

Didn't Callum not break the pin on purpose meaning he'll be there too? I hope so, he's a hoss!

Also, Omari is gonna be huge someday

Omackeral · 19-02-2020 12:35pm

showpony1 wrote: »

Quite negative towards some of our Irish talents there.

Why should it matter where they're from? If the poster doesn't like them, then they don't like them?

The Cannibal · 19-02-2020 1:39pm

brianblaze wrote: »

And some drunken moron got chucked out for throwing his wife's jacket and his own beer at (I think) Starr. Happy Valentine's, romance ain't dead

Ha. I saw him get kicked out, but I wasn't sure what for. I could see it coming though. I had a spot standing beside the bar entrance (best spot in the house) so I saw him come and go quite a bit with his girlfriend. They came out of the bar at one point during the Eddie Kingston match and the dude goes to the girlfriend,

"That's Eddie Kingston!"

She just shrugs and looks bored so he goes right up to her face and shouts excitedly.

"EDDIE KINGSTON!!!"

She doesn't react at all so he follows up with a good ole Ric Flair "WOOOO!!" a literal inch away from her face as they were walking back to their seats. I remember thinking that she must be a saint since she clearly had no interest in wrestling, or that fella must have gotten her the best Valentine's day present ever the day before.

showpony1 · 19-02-2020 3:20pm

The Cannibal wrote: »

Ha. I saw him get kicked out, but I wasn't sure what for. I could see it coming though. I had a spot standing beside the bar entrance (best spot in the house) so I saw him come and go quite a bit with his girlfriend. They came out of the bar at one point during the Eddie Kingston match and the dude goes to the girlfriend,

"That's Eddie Kingston!"

She just shrugs and looks bored so he goes right up to her face and shouts excitedly.

"EDDIE KINGSTON!!!"

She doesn't react at all so he follows up with a good ole Ric Flair "WOOOO!!" a literal inch away from her face as they were walking back to their seats. I remember thinking that she must be a saint since she clearly had no interest in wrestling, or that fella must have gotten her the best Valentine's day present ever the day before.

just sounds like another case of a fan displaying their passion for Irish wrestling.

Insect Overlord · 19-02-2020 3:29pm

showpony1 wrote: »

just sounds like another case of a fan displaying their passion for Irish wrestling.

-_-

Ali Bomaye · 20-02-2020 1:05am

brianblaze wrote: »

Didn't Callum not break the pin on purpose meaning he'll be there too? I hope so, he's a hoss!

Also, Omari is gonna be huge someday

Yeah probably, I just don't like triple threats and was getting excited for Scotty v Omari during that tag match. They have this Scotty v Omari thing going since December and it's a really good feud I feel so would just rather they went with that.

Snakeblood · 20-02-2020 12:16pm

Ali Bomaye wrote: »

Yeah probably, I just don't like triple threats and was getting excited for Scotty v Omari during that tag match. They have this Scotty v Omari thing going since December and it's a really good feud I feel so would just rather they went with that.

I kind of agree. It's ok that Calum is in there for me but it's not adding a huge amount to the feud. Maybe if he was at ringside in Scotty's corner then ****ed up Scotty after he won.

Somedaythefire · 20-02-2020 12:45pm

I've never been overly impressed by Callum. Maybe I've just always caught his bad matches, but he seems to botch a lot more than the other Irish guys.

Snakeblood · 21-02-2020 11:23am

It's just been announced as Scotty vs Omari for the Scrapper match, NLW title.

showpony1 · 21-02-2020 2:01pm

Harsh on Callum being left out of the big event, prob a few on here happy that their criticism was heard.
I imagine they'll announce he takes on the winner at "The Hangover" show.

Insect Overlord · 21-02-2020 2:20pm

I'm sure he'll still be involved, one way or another.

Snakeblood · 24-02-2020 12:56pm

LJ vs. PAC at Scrapper. Should be pretty good! LJ is pretty terrific and has been for a while.

jface187 · 25-02-2020 10:06am

dlync02 wrote: »

Quick question, how strict are OTT with the age limit? Scrappermania is over 15s but my son is 12 (wouldn't pass for 15 either), do you see many younger kids get into the over 15/16 shows? The only reason I'd go is if I could take him.

I'm pretty sure I saw younger kids running around the place at the last show.

Somedaythefire · 25-02-2020 10:25am

dlync02 wrote: »

Quick question, how strict are OTT with the age limit? Scrappermania is over 15s but my son is 12 (wouldn't pass for 15 either), do you see many younger kids get into the over 15/16 shows? The only reason I'd go is if I could take him.

My mate's head chef brought his 13 year old to a National Stadium show last year.

showpony1 · 25-02-2020 3:56pm

Hopefully there's not a load of children running around at Scrappermania.

Snakeblood · 26-02-2020 9:29am

I think most Stadium shows have been over 12s?I could be wrong there.

Omackeral · 26-02-2020 3:44pm

Snakeblood wrote: »

I think most Stadium shows have been over 12s?I could be wrong there.

Yeah, that was so Scotty Davis could get on the card.

showpony1 · 26-02-2020 3:46pm

They are looking for extras to be involved in the Scrappermania build up video - must be to play the role of David Starr's "army of incels".

brianblaze · 27-02-2020 11:59am

Balor v WALTER seems to be on the cards for the UK title, I out this in the Irish thread because, it's either Mania or the Dublin show!

Furious-Red · 27-02-2020 12:07pm

brianblaze wrote: »

Balor v WALTER seems to be on the cards for the UK title, I out this in the Irish thread because, it's either Mania or the Dublin show!

If there clever they will have it on the Dublin show for ticket sales

Snakeblood · 28-02-2020 12:22pm

Somedaythefire wrote: »

My mate's head chef brought his 13 year old to a National Stadium show last year.

I wish I had a head chef.

showpony1 · 28-02-2020 12:45pm

Snakeblood wrote: »

I wish I had a head chef.

they only serve hotdogs in the national stadium as far as i know.

showpony1 · 29-02-2020 3:13pm

Do you think a crowd will still turn up in Tallaght for OTT the night before Takeover in 3 Arena?

brianblaze · 29-02-2020 3:18pm

showpony1 wrote: »

Do you think a crowd will still turn up in Tallaght for OTT the night before Takeover in 3 Arena?

Probably. If there's UK fans coming over for the NXT show especially. Plus the chance of a Balor cameo might get people hyped

showpony1 · 29-02-2020 3:48pm

brianblaze wrote: »

Plus the chance of a Balor cameo might get people hyped

zero chance

brianblaze · 29-02-2020 4:13pm

showpony1 wrote: »

zero chance

I know that, but people might still think it'll happen again

showpony1 · 29-02-2020 5:36pm

brianblaze wrote: »

I know that, but people might still think it'll happen again

haha fair enough

B Cool's lastest video was excellent, laughing out loud at some of his comments to Joey.

brianblaze · 29-02-2020 8:12pm

showpony1 wrote: »

haha fair enough

B Cool's lastest video was excellent, laughing out loud at some of his comments to Joey.

The women's rights line had me rolling

Snakeblood · 02-03-2020 12:28pm

Phoenix are selling up. I wonder what prompted that.

showpony1 · 02-03-2020 1:31pm

how much would it cost to buy a promotion like Phoenix?

Will our AEW title appear at Scrappermania & the Meet and greet

bot43 · 02-03-2020 3:13pm

Not sure what is for sale as such? Like, what assets do they have? I dont see investing in a local promotion like this as a good use of money. And I say this as someone who has been to pretty much all of their Cork shows.

Anyway, for lolz I hope Lee Cahalane buys it :pac:

Snakeblood · 02-03-2020 3:16pm

bot43 wrote: »

Not sure what is for sale as such? Like, what assets do they have? I dont see investing in a local promotion like this as a good use of money. And I say this as someone who has been to pretty much all of their Cork shows.

Anyway, for lolz I hope Lee Cahalane buys it :pac:

The ring, any posters/banners and contact list? I can't think of what else would be involved.

leggo · 02-03-2020 5:08pm

There's physical assets like the ring etc, then you've got intellectual property as well as access to their social media, old recorded content etc. You'd also more than likely have a roster already in place and happy to work for the most part (which can be the hardest part for start-ups especially if someone coming in doesn't have an 'in' within the industry).

If you had money and wanted to start a promotion in the area, it'd be a much easier and somewhat less risky way of doing so than starting fresh and building from the bottom up.

showpony1 · 02-03-2020 5:23pm

I'd say it could be difficult for someone with new ideas to go into an established locker room like that.

leggo · 02-03-2020 8:09pm

I wouldn’t necessarily agree in that particular case. Phoenix’s entire ethos is based around just having a fun, positive wrestling company coming out of Cork. Everyone there is there because that’s what they want, so if someone (credible) came in with that in mind the roster would likely be happy to still have a good place to wrestle in. It’s also relatively new so it’s not as synonymous with the personalities of the people that run it like say an OTT or FFPW, which wouldn’t make the change as jarring as it would in the above cases. Plus, from working within it, the Irish scene is in as healthy a place as its ever been with lads just wanting to work, so if you give them a decent place they can work in, they’re not going to cause hassle for the sake of it. There’s very little of that kinda stuff anymore tbh, it’s a nice scene.

It’s a saleable asset for sure and I hope the lads there do find a buyer because I know they’ve put a lot into it, not just financially. So it’s just a case of if anyone is in the market.

Cherry_Cola · 02-03-2020 8:19pm

Always wondered as I was big into the music scene back home, but how much would performers be on per show for a local show like Phoenix for example? 50-100 a person? I guess it would depend on the level of the performer/imports etc. Anyone with any experience know?

brianblaze · 02-03-2020 10:02pm

Cherry_Cola wrote: »

Always wondered as I was big into the music scene back home, but how much would performers be on per show for a local show like Phoenix for example? 50-100 a person? I guess it would depend on the level of the performer/imports etc. Anyone with any experience know?

In before someone drags Courage into this

Furious-Red · 03-03-2020 12:42am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GNK_uAsxaQ

Snakeblood · 09-03-2020 4:06pm

With the parade cancelled I'm concernted the scrapper show will be called off. Gatherings of more than 1000 people in France and the UK have been stopped, I believe. Not great.

Ali Bomaye · 09-03-2020 6:37pm

I see David Starr has been blocked from working for two WWE affiliated promotions now. I really hope OTT just get those titles of Moustache Mountain and stop booking any WWE contracted talent.

brianblaze · 09-03-2020 7:00pm

Ali Bomaye wrote: »

I see David Starr has been blocked from working for two WWE affiliated promotions now. I really hope OTT just get those titles of Moustache Mountain and stop booking any WWE contracted talent.

It does feel like they're starting to draw a line in the sand for their guys now. 'If we don't like someone on the card then you can't go' if anything underlines the need for a total overhaul of their talent contract.

An independent contractor who can't contract independently is an employee

ciano316 · 09-03-2020 7:43pm

Snakeblood wrote: »

With the parade cancelled I'm concernted the scrapper show will be called off. Gatherings of more than 1000 people in France and the UK have been stopped, I believe. Not great.

Scrapper will be fine.

ThePott · 09-03-2020 8:20pm

Some notes from the Phoenix Wrestling show Gattin' with the Lads which took place over the weekend at the training academy. Again full disclosure, I was ring announcing for this. Winners in bold.

Justy vs. LJ Cleary.
Justy wanted this match as a tune-up for the Championship tournament which continues Good Friday. Justy won with a very clear holding of the tights, not sure how the referee couldn't have seen it. Owen Richards came out post-match and offered LJ a chance to Owen his destiny but LJ kicked his hand away.

Matt Skyler vs. Danny Cross
Skyler previously turned on his former friend Corey Jefferys and was hated by the crowd as a result. This was a great match, these lads have really good chemistry. Post-Match, Skyler kicked a guy out of their seat and sat in the crowd because of who was wrestling next.

Corey Jeffreys vs. Sam The Sham
Sam made his debut here and Corey helped train him so there was a good underlying story. Very competent debut from Sam and Corey looked just as good as he did in his return last month. After getting the win, Skyler stormed the ring and beat down Corey and after Sam tried to defend Corey he beat him down too, badly. Very heated rivalry developing between Skyler and Jeffreys.

Stoner Dan vs. Minister Flint
Minister Flint came out to give a sermon that admonished the crowd for their boozing among other things. He mentioned Stoner Dan, big mistake. Dan absolutely murdered him while wearing one shoe no less. Flint had great heat, they really loathed him and loved watching him get destroyed.

Damaged Goods (Dean Power & Steve Savage) vs. The Nobodies w/ The One.
Crowd was absolutely crazy for Deano and the returning Savage. They were hyped for this and looked like absolute monsters. Steve Savage hasn't missed a step and Dean was on top form too. These lads are gonna be big in Phoenix. The Nobodies looked tougher than before too, think they're going in the right direction.

Raven Creed (via DQ) vs. Owen Richards
They've fought before and Richards won, this time it was looking like he might not be so lucky but he grabbed a chair and got himself disqualified after laying into Raven. Thankfully LJ came out to make the save, except he didn't. He attacked Raven too and shook hands with Richards taking him up on his earlier offer.

Riordan O'Connor vs. Butch Armstrong w/Marion Armstrong
Earlier in the show Riordan declared his Are You Worth It Challenge which Butch answered. This match was insanity as it normally is with the Armstrongs (especially for me trying to introduce them). Riordan continues to show great promise and Butch looked strong even if it wasn't enough to get him the win.

General Notes - The Ownership of Phoenix was addressed. A new owner has been found but details can't be disclosed yet but it could be as early as this week that details are revealed. As for how it effects shows, not at all, a lot were announced.
Next show is April 10th in the Circus Factory where the Phoenix Champion will be crowned. Tickets on sale tomorrow.
June 12th in Limerick will be heavily focusing on Irish tag teams as it begins a tournament to crown the Phoenix Tag Team champions.
July, Second Anniversary show will also be in the Circus Factory, Toga 2020!
Halloween show will be in the Training Academy, X-Mas show will be in the Circus Factory.

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