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Madeleine McCann

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  • #122
    MonkieSocks
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,349 ✭✭✭MonkieSocks


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    limnam wrote: »
    So they got tested when there's pretty much no chance of anything showing up months later


    Hero's


    Ehhhh.....they wanted it done by Portuguese police, who didn't think it was necessary.


    As for the "Hero's" comment



    kate and Gerry McCann are not hero's, they are arrogant selfish people who through attitude endangered their childeren, resulting in one of them being missing.


    I still don't Think they did it at first I did but having read a lot the Police files I changed my mind
    http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/sitemap.htm

    No Chloroform was detected either


    The area of the pillow of the bed from the minor disappeared was inspected with the intention to detect the presence of some smell [aroma] characteristic of volatile substances typical of chloroform or ether, this search proving negative

    There proceeded the search for possible blood traces in all of the apartment, using a variable- wave light source appropriate for the task.This search resulted in the detection of several spots having a red-brown tone that suggested blood, which were subjected to a "Kastle-Mayer" peroxidise test, the result obtained, in all cases, being negative.

    There also proceeded the observation and search for blood traces inside the apartment using a chemical product to find latent blood traces. In the application of the referred product no results characteristic of the presence of blood traces were found
    http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/5A_FORENSIC_4_5_7.htm

    =(:-) Me? I know who I am. I'm a dude playing a dude disguised as another dude (-:)=



  • #123
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,244 ✭✭✭limnam


    MonkieSocks wrote: »
    Ehhhh.....they wanted it done by Portuguese police, who didn't think it was necessary.



    Huh.


    They could have been tested at any GP in Portugal or the UK at any time.


    If you suspected someone drugged your kids which is what comes out of their "camp" why wouldn't you just go get it done regardless?


    Why wait till October?


    As I said, because of their profession they'd know exactly how long. Knowing that as a concerned parent why didn't they just do it?


  • #124
    MonkieSocks
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,349 ✭✭✭MonkieSocks


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    limnam wrote: »
    Huh.


    They could have been tested at any GP in Portugal or the UK at any time.


    Can't ever say I ever heard of a GP doing forensic testing







    Not allowed under Portuguese law,it could only have been authorised by Portuguese police.

    =(:-) Me? I know who I am. I'm a dude playing a dude disguised as another dude (-:)=



  • #125
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,244 ✭✭✭limnam


    MonkieSocks wrote: »
    Can't ever say I ever heard of a GP doing forensic testing



    huh


    Any GP can carry out a drug test.....


    I'm not suggesting they do it to prove their innocence but to determine if their kids have been drugged.....


    If that was there concern....

    MonkieSocks wrote: »
    Not allowed under Portuguese law,it could only have been authorised by Portuguese police.


    Huh


    So anyone wanting to have a drug test done in portugal has to go to the Portuguese police?


    wtf are you talking about.


  • #126
    MonkieSocks
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,349 ✭✭✭MonkieSocks


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    limnam wrote: »

    So anyone wanting to have a drug test done in portugal has to go to the Portuguese police?


    wtf are you talking about. /QUOTE]




    Anyone wanting to have a drug test done in Portugal that might interfere with a police investigation has to go through the Portuguese police?


    A GP doing this in Portugal would be interfering in an official police investigation.


    The secrecy laws in Portugal are very strict.

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  • #127
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,244 ✭✭✭limnam


    MonkieSocks wrote: »
    limnam wrote: »

    So anyone wanting to have a drug test done in portugal has to go to the Portuguese police?


    wtf are you talking about. /QUOTE]




    Anyone wanting to have a drug test done in Portugal that might interfere with a police investigation has to go through the Portuguese police?


    A GP doing this in Portugal would be interfering in an official police investigation.


    The secrecy laws in Portugal are very strict.


    All right, i thought you were suggesting _anyone_ wanting to have it done.


    Anyway. why not get it done earlier in the uk?


    either way it doesn't prove anything one way or another.


    If it had of been done earlier, all it would suggest was it wasn't accidental death via sedation .


  • #128
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,244 ✭✭✭limnam


    out of curiosity


    do you have a source that states they offered the twins to be tested?



    I'd never heard that before


  • #129
    Bobeagleburger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,734 ✭✭✭✭Bobeagleburger


    The parents doing it never made sense to me as where do you dispose of a body so that'll never be found? . In a place you don't really know either, which is then a high profile search area.

    Also the body being your own daughter. Doesn't add up. To keep calm after that you'd want to be a serial killer.


  • #130
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,244 ✭✭✭limnam


    RoboKlopp wrote: »
    The parents doing it never made sense to me as where do you dispose of a body so that'll never be found? . In a place you don't really know either, which is then a high profile search area.

    Also the body being your own daughter. Doesn't add up. To keep calm after that you'd want to be a serial killer.


    But them changing their story adds up?


    Them refusing to assit in the investigation adds up?


    Trying to discredit people hired to assit with the investigation adds up?


    Them spending hundreds of thousands on clowns adds up?


    You don't have a problem with the hundreds of things that don't add up because deposing of a body might be difficult?


    Really.


  • #131
    Steve F
    Registered Users Posts: 1,852 ✭✭✭Steve F


    professore wrote: »
    My mum was laughing and joking at my dad's funeral. Its called shock. She fell apart a few days later.

    That's OK.I'm not really arguing anything just I thought it a little odd his reaction.
    Also the video I posted a few posts later looks a little odd too (to me)


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  • #132
    Neyite
    Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,947 Mod ✭✭✭✭Neyite


    Lady Spangles wrote: »
    Most parents, at some point, have to leave their kids alone. And, as I understand, they were close by and checking in frequently. I just don't think that makes them murderers.

    Most don't leave their kids though. Even 'back in the day' it wasn't the done thing either. In the 70's & 80's the babysitters could have been younger than these days but most did get babysitters. Even in places like Butlins decades ago where parents did leave their children in bed to go to the evening entertainment they had staff who patrolled the chalets listening for children and would alert the parents over the intercom. And that was back in the seventies when parenting was a lot more lax than now.

    Parents might dash out to the shed to get coal or to quickly hang out a line of washing while they are the ages of the McCann children. there's regularly debates over in parenting whether it's ok to leave your child in the car at the pumps while you pay for the fuel and most don't feel all that comfortable doing it unless they have the car in eyesight at all times.

    The sad thing is that the McCanns probably secured their passports, jewellery and holiday cash in a safe yet gave not a passing thought to the children's welfare in an unlocked room in a foreign country.

    I don't believe they killed her. But I do believe that they (and their group) were in the habit of leaving the children every evening like the fateful night. I don't believe that they checked on the children as often as they stated. And that that is why they come across as untruthful or evasive and therefore more suspect. My personal theory is that hotel staff were aware that a group of children were being left alone night after night by rich holidaymakers, and one could have mentioned it unwittingly to a friend or family member who used the opportunity to abduct Madeline.


  • #133
    Dog Man Star
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    RoboKlopp wrote: »
    The parents doing it never made sense to me as where do you dispose of a body so that'll never be found? . In a place you don't really know either, which is then a high profile search area.

    The sniffer dog found the scent of a cadaver in the boot of the hired car, hired after Madeline went missing.

    The video of the dog in action is on Youtube.


  • #134
    Dog Man Star
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 410 ✭✭Dog Man Star


    RoboKlopp wrote: »
    Also the body being your own daughter. Doesn't add up. To keep calm after that you'd want to be a serial killer.

    If Madeline had died in an accident, which the Portugese police believe happened, they stood to lose the twins, their careers and be potentially jailed.

    Keeping calm was the only option they had.


  • #135
    retro:electro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    I think I would buy into the theory that they harmed their child/she had an accident and they buried her if they were holidaying alone and not with friends and their parent.
    I just don’t know how one person on earth could cover up the accidental death and subsequent burial of a toddler in a foreign country, never mind five or six people covering it up. There is no benefit for them to lie.
    Someone would have cracked by now.


  • #136
    Deusexmachina
    Registered Users Posts: 1,293 ✭✭✭Deusexmachina


    limnam wrote: »
    Again, every time you post just shows how little you know about it.


    I'd say you'd need to read a little more and see what's been offered up in alternative theories and come back and let us know how you get on with your scrutiny

    I didn't realise I was so ignorant. Sorry about that.

    How little I know. Tell me in full detail, what actually happened then?


  • #137
    Deusexmachina
    Registered Users Posts: 1,293 ✭✭✭Deusexmachina


    Red Lightning wrote: »
    I can't say many would disagree. The only person who deserves sympathy is little Madeline. Her parents neglect caused this horrendous situation.

    What a callous, mean spirited post. They made a really bad mistake - a shocking error of judgement. It does not mean they deserve to have their child kidnapped and killed ffs.

    They have paid a horrendous price. The fact that you don't think they deserve sympathy for losing their beloved little girl says more about you (and other amateur detectives like you) than it does about them, I'm afraid.


  • #138
    cnocbui
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,109 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    Deusexmachina wrote: »
    I didn't realise I was so ignorant. Sorry about that.

    How little I know. Tell me in full detail, what actually happened then?

    That is actually really simple. Some families went on holiday. The resort they were staying at offered a nanny service - which was someone going around to their rooms and checking on their kids, from time to time. One evening the parents decided to do this themselves and checked on the kids from time to time, while they were socialising. On one of those checks, Madeleine McCann was not in her room and was missing.

    Surprising as it may seem, that is pretty much all that is known. There is no evidence as to why she was missing


  • #139
    jimwallace197
    Registered Users Posts: 1,134 ✭✭✭jimwallace197


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    I dont think they were involved in her dissapearance only insofar as they were negligent in their responsibility to her which I feel they have extreme guilt over.

    I've read and seen alot of the theories of them being involved and its all fairly light, I really dont believe both of them could keep up an act like this for this long without one or the other cracking.

    The investigation was haphazard at best and really showed the ineptitude of the portugese police who in fairness wouldnt have come across many cases like this.

    I believe either it was an inside job of where one of the staff at the hotel tipped off someone or they were watched over a number of days and the careless attitude of the parents was noticed.


  • #140
    Deusexmachina
    Registered Users Posts: 1,293 ✭✭✭Deusexmachina


    cnocbui wrote: »
    That is actually really simple. Some families went on holiday. The resort they were staying at offered a nanny service - which was someone going around to their rooms and checking on their kids, from time to time. One evening the parents decided to do this themselves and checked on the kids from time to time, while they were socialising. On one of those checks, Madeleine McCann was not in her room and was missing.

    Surprising as it may seem, that is pretty much all that is known. There is no evidence as to why she was missing

    Absolutely true - I agree entirely. But we have constant vitriol aimed at the parents. Its appalling and sad.


  • #141
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,153 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    cnocbui wrote: »
    That is actually really simple. Some families went on holiday. The resort they were staying at offered a nanny service - which was someone going around to their rooms and checking on their kids, from time to time. One evening the parents decided to do this themselves and checked on the kids from time to time, while they were socialising. On one of those checks, Madeleine McCann was not in her room and was missing.

    Surprising as it may seem, that is pretty much all that is known. There is no evidence as to why she was missing

    Actually you are wrong . That particular Mark Warner did not offer the person going around checking . As the PdaLuz resort is spread out and not enclosed it was considered not to be safe . In PdaL they offered a baby sitter service on site in the creche , that was free to anyone staying there . They also offered an in your apartment nanny sitting service for a fee . Both were not used by the Mc Canns .


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  • #142
    cnocbui
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,109 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    jimwallace197 wrote: »
    I dont think they were involved in her dissapearance only insofar as they were negligent in their responsibility to her which I feel they have extreme guilt over.

    I've read and seen alot of the theories of them being involved and its all fairly light, I really dont believe both of them could keep up an act like this for this long without one or the other cracking.

    The investigation was haphazard at best and really showed the ineptitude of the portugese police who in fairness wouldnt have come across many cases like this.

    I believe either it was an inside job of where one of the staff at the hotel tipped off someone or they were watched over a number of days and the careless attitude of the parents was noticed.

    I don't think the parents were negligent. The actual incidence of strangers abducting children from their bed is incredibly rare - probably the chance is one in 100 million. The chances of a kids dying in a traffic accident are far higher, yet no one considers parents irresponsible for endangering their children by taking them somewhere in a car.

    You have one set of parents who took one almost nonexistent risk and the internet comes down on their heads - you have countless thousands of parents who take far higher risks - every single day - and no one bats an eyelash.


  • #143
    cnocbui
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,109 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Actually you are wrong . That particular Mark Warner did not offer the person going around checking . As the PdaLuz resort is spread out and not enclosed it was considered not to be safe . In PdaL they offered a baby sitter service on site in the creche , that was free to anyone staying there . They also offered an in your apartment nanny sitting service for a fee . Both were not used by the Mc Canns .

    You are right, I miss remembered, it being such a long time ago now.


  • #144
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,153 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    cnocbui wrote: »
    I don't think the parents were negligent. The actual incidence of strangers abducting children from their bed is incredibly rare - probably the chance is one in 100 million. The chances of a kids dying in a traffic accident are far higher, yet nocone considers parents irresponsible for endangering their children by taking them somewhere in a car.

    You have one set of parents who took one almost nonexistent risk and the internet comes down on their heads - you have countless thousands of parents who take far higher risks - every single day - and no one bats an eyelash.

    Forget the very low risk of abduction so . What about the risk of crying , vomiting , falling , choking , having a nightmare and needing a hug , a fever or a febrile convulsion and not heard ?
    Two doctors dismissed all those risks to go out and have dinner with mates . Shame on them


  • #145
    Deusexmachina
    Registered Users Posts: 1,293 ✭✭✭Deusexmachina


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Forget the very low risk of abduction so . What about the risk of crying , vomiting , falling , choking , having a nightmare and needing a hug , a fever or a febrile convulsion and not heard ?
    Two doctors dismissed all those risks to go out and have dinner with mates . Shame on them

    Have they not been punished enough?


  • #146
    pc7
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    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    Mod note

    Hi All

    I know this is an emotive topic, just be mindful to be respectful to each other. We really are hoping for low moderation in here and generally just on the side of law if any modding is needed. Any issues with a post just report it.

    thanks.


  • #147
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,153 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    Deusexmachina wrote: »
    Have they not been punished enough?

    I am not punishing them i am posting an opinion


  • #148
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,153 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    Deusexmachina wrote: »
    Have they not been punished enough?

    I am not punishing them i am posting an opinion


  • #149
    Deusexmachina
    Registered Users Posts: 1,293 ✭✭✭Deusexmachina


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    I am not punishing them i am posting an opinion

    I didn't suggest that you are. I am asking you if you think the loss of their little girl is punishment enough for the negligence?
    Is it really fair for people to keep castigating them? "Shame on them"


  • #150
    gerrybbadd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,301 ✭✭✭✭gerrybbadd


    Something Else
    The parents definitely know something. Why would Kate refuse to answer ANY questions that would help in the investigation?

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1041635/The-48-questions-Kate-McCann-wouldnt-answer--did.html

    Great video here of body language analysis from a Ted talk, spliced with McCann interviews. Obvious tells here. They're lying


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  • #151
    tretorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,800 ✭✭✭tretorn


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    cnocbui wrote: »
    I don't think the parents were negligent. The actual incidence of strangers abducting children from their bed is incredibly rare - probably the chance is one in 100 million. The chances of a kids dying in a traffic accident are far higher, yet no one considers parents irresponsible for endangering their children by taking them somewhere in a car.

    You have one set of parents who took one almost nonexistent risk and the internet comes down on their heads - you have countless thousands of parents who take far higher risks - every single day - and no one bats an eyelash.

    The parents left three children alone and went off eating tapas and drinking wine.

    Dont compare this to parents putting their children into cars to go from A to B.

    Parents with a titter of wit between their ears would either get a babysitter or else one or other would stay in the aprtment with the twins while the other ate. The person who ate would then return to the apartment to let the other parent out for a couple of drinks.

    This was supposed to be a family holiday, ie spending time with your children, not getting them to bed early so they could be left alone. Why didnt they just leave the children at home if they wanted to socialise every night without their three under threes.


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