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18-11-2013, 17:13   #31
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Anyone think there is a case for him as P4P #1?
Of course. He should be number 1.
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18-11-2013, 20:33   #32
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Did anybody notice that Ward almost single handedly won the fight with his left?

Ward is very comfortably the 2nd best boxer in the world today. There are only 3 boxers right now who have pre-eminent technical skills and ring IQ and Ward is one of them. But unlike the other two Ward is comfortable fighting in a phone booth, headbutting, elbowing, roughing it up, bullying opponents in the pocket. Ward will hurt you from outside, from mind-range and in close. Particularly at mid-range he is devastating. He is the most complete fighter in the world today.

His jab is behind only WK in boxing right now. The difference is Wlad usually has a reach advantage, whereas Ward has a reach disadvantage. That's why it's amazing that he outjabs opponents. He bends to his right and whips it in, very unorthodox and with power, using his back, not from the shoulder. He puts it on your nose, sternum and stomach. Excellent punch, so much pop and so much timing. His left hand is a very well developed weapon all round, with a leaping hook from outside and a lovely hook to the liver inside. Beautiful to watch. He can beat you leading, countering or in a brawl. Excellent fighter, has it all except one shot KO power really.

He's a real nice guy and doesn't go around making statements and calling people out so never really will be a cash cow. If he was from Mexico or something it would be different, but if you're from the US and not P4P #1 and not a brash trash talker, you won't make waves or have a huge fan base. The purists will love him though. He fights so ugly and yet it's so technical. Love watching him.
A positive post from Gene!!!!

You see, it's not actually that hard to do
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18-11-2013, 22:28   #33
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Ward's best shots at boosting his name are Chavez Jr and Golovkin. It's possible that the winner of Kovalev/Stevenson will be a big name by the time that fight happens as well.

He needs to beat guys with big followings to have any chance of getting near that PPV level. I don't think Jr will be let near him to be honest, so realistically his best chance is GGG, provided GGG continues to impress next year.

Golovkin's not now nor ever likely to have the sort of following Chavez Jr has, but he's doing 1.5m on HBO after just 12 months on US television. If he continues to draw viewers at that rate, by late 2014 or early 2015 Golovkin vs Ward will be a PPV level fight.

There doesn't seem to be many other options for Ward to move to the next level in terms of his profile. He's the only American star in the neighbourhood. Unless you count B-Hop, but I don't see that happening.
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18-11-2013, 22:44   #34
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A positive post from Gene!!!!

You see, it's not actually that hard to do
I have quite a few positive things to say but they rarely need to be said. It was necessary to spread the good word about SOG

Many don't realise his level of technical skill unfortunately. Haters gonna hate!

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18-11-2013, 22:50   #35
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I think Ward gets away with murder in his fights. Far too often on Saturday night when his was missing with the jab, he'd pull his opponent head back so he couldn't counter, it's actually quite clever. I think he would outsmart Calzaghe but I just wish ref's would take a more pro-active stance on his persistent fouling.
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18-11-2013, 23:02   #36
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I think Ward gets away with murder in his fights. Far too often on Saturday night when his was missing with the jab, he'd pull his opponent head back so he couldn't counter, it's actually quite clever. I think he would outsmart Calzaghe but I just wish ref's would take a more pro-active stance on his persistent fouling.
He does foul a lot. But he has every right to keep fouling if the ref doesn't call him. Rodriguez was filthy too.

My personal favourite is when he lands the power jab, pulls you in and cracks you with the elbow, then lands another jab and away again or all clinched up. Must find a video.
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I think Ward gets away with murder in his fights. Far too often on Saturday night when his was missing with the jab, he'd pull his opponent head back so he couldn't counter, it's actually quite clever. I think he would outsmart Calzaghe but I just wish ref's would take a more pro-active stance on his persistent fouling.
I think he Would out smart calzaghe too. Seen as he is retired 4 or 5 years.
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I think Ward gets away with murder in his fights. Far too often on Saturday night when his was missing with the jab, he'd pull his opponent head back so he couldn't counter, it's actually quite clever. I think he would outsmart Calzaghe but I just wish ref's would take a more pro-active stance on his persistent fouling.
I think he Would out smart calzaghe too. Seen as he is retired 4 or 5 years.
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19-11-2013, 14:23   #39
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Not an upcoming fight any more, but Koki Kameda of Japan just beat Jung Oh Son tonight in Korea.

And, not sure if this is the place for it, but remember the name Kazuto Ioka. One for the future, although he's already a world champion.
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In addition to the abovementioned for this weekend, Anthony Dirrell is fighting Sakio Bike. That's Anthony, not Andre.
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Biggest test of Stephen Ormond's career next Saturday as he fights Derry Matthews. Great card for the Malignaggi Judah fight too.
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Biggest test of Stephen Ormond's career next Saturday as he fights Derry Matthews. Great card for the Malignaggi Judah fight too.
SS will be showing Ormonde's European title bid. I can't see him lasting 12 rds.

For WBO European Lightweight title. BoxRec: bout subject to change & commission approval
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Ormond already holds the WBO European title. I don't think he will be stopped, he has a great chin and is very tough. Derry Mathews is obviously a huge step up in class and its a big ask but he is beatable.
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SS will be showing Ormonde's European title bid. I can't see him lasting 12 rds.

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On boxnation http://www.boxnation.com/boxing-matches/

It should be a good fight regardless, nearly all of Derry Matthews' fights are.
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On boxnation http://www.boxnation.com/boxing-matches/

It should be a good fight regardless, nearly all of Derry Matthews' fights are.
Thanks for that. I was almost certain that Sky were showing it. I do recall them advertising it a couple of months back. They must have lost it. I love BoxNation!
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