Fighter jets for the Air Corps?

jonnybigwallet · 19-02-2021 9:04am

Road. Nowt further than the truth! Ha ha!

punchdrunk · 20-02-2021 8:26pm

We’re not buying attack jets
We’re not buying jet trainers
We’re not buying interceptors

There’s zero political will for this.

The defence forces is in rag order, critical manning levels in the IAC and NS, massively underfunded, a broken RDF, crippled by pensions, hamstrung by the DOD at all levels and not deemed worthy of a full ministerial position by gov.

Move on lads- it’s not happening, we’ve as much chance of buying nukes at this stage

Gary kk · 20-02-2021 8:53pm

punchdrunk wrote: »

We’re not buying attack jets
We’re not buying jet trainers
We’re not buying interceptors

There’s zero political will for this.

The defence forces is in rag order, critical manning levels in the IAC and NS, massively underfunded, a broken RDF, crippled by pensions, hamstrung by the DOD at all levels and not deemed worthy of a full ministerial position by gov.

Move on lads- it’s not happening, we’ve as much chance of buying nukes at this stage

About those nukes. Well I know I guy that knows guy that's married to a gal that knows a guy.. just saying

Heraldoffreeent · 20-02-2021 9:58pm

Gary kk wrote: »

About those nukes. Well I know I guy that knows guy that's married to a gal that knows a guy.. just saying

Is it time for a "Nuclear Intercontinental Ballistic Missiles for the Air Corps?" Thread?

saabsaab · 20-02-2021 11:26pm

I guess we have no immediate threats but things can and do change. Our most likely invader would still be the UK and in that case a small air force of fighters would probably be knocked out very quickly. Still, even the DR Congo have 6 fighters and if say a rogue passenger jet threatened to say fly into say the Dail we have nothing to intercept it with now. A few Hawk jets even or some advanced drone(s).

saabsaab · 20-02-2021 11:45pm

Dohvolle wrote: »

Most likely invader the UK?

Do you work for the Russian Government by any chance?
You know, the one who wanted to expand it's embassy in a leafy Dublin suburb to 5 times it's current size to accommodate the extra spies that could cross into the UK unnoticed on Ryanair?
The Ones who's military aircraft frequently fly, transponders off through Irish Controlled airspace, at great risk to all civilian traffic who use it?
The ones who's Navy frequently carries out military exercises in Irish waters, often leaving a large trail of heavy fuel oil in their wake?
The ones who ACTUALLY KILLED PEOPLE in the UK who disagreed with their government?

The brits are responsible for lots of things over the years,But we have very little to fear from them militarily, as a state, today.

We have never been invaded by Russia and almost certainly never will be. Who knows what a destabilized UK could do in the future?

roadmaster · 21-02-2021 12:50am

Dohvolle wrote: »

You know we aren't supposed to talk about them, because if you-know-who hears about it...you never know what you'll get.
They'll take you off to the you know where.
for you wouldn't know how long.
So for You-know-who's sake don't let anyone, hear you talking about the ICBM base at Abbeyshrule.

The first rule of Abbeyshrule is: You do not talk about Abbeyshrule. The second rule of Abbeyshrule is: You do not talk about abbeyshrule. Third rule of Abbeyshrule is: The rustic inn does a nice pint

punchdrunk · 21-02-2021 1:25am

Thanks for the laughs lads ðŸ˜‚

punchdrunk · 21-02-2021 1:28am

roadmaster wrote: »

The first rule of Abbeyshrule is: You do not talk about Abbeyshrule. The second rule of Abbeyshrule is: You do not talk about abbeyshrule. Third rule of Abbeyshrule is: The rustic inn does a nice pint

You mean Abbeyshrule that’s guarded by the RDF Ranger Tier 1 assault group?

Larbre34 · 21-02-2021 3:17pm

Ah jaysis, Abbeyshrule, I haven't heard mention of that in a long time. Not since Will Smith zapped me with the red light on the end of his vaping pipe.

Sgt. Bilko 09 · 27-02-2021 10:50pm

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/irish-air-corps-plane-suffers-engine-failure-but-manages-to-glide-back-to-base-1.4496279?mode=amp&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Psychlops · 27-02-2021 11:11pm

punchdrunk wrote: »

You mean Abbeyshrule that’s guarded by the RDF Ranger Tier 1 assault group?

I first read about them over on IMO in the early 2000's apparently their camouflage is called "civvys" so they blend in & ive been told they can stand still & when they do with the camouflage it sort of bends light like in predator. :eek:

punchdrunk · 28-02-2021 12:41am

Psychlops wrote: »

I first read about them over on IMO in the early 2000's apparently their camouflage is called "civvys" so they blend in & ive been told they can stand still & when they do with the camouflage it sort of bends light like in predator. :eek:

I heard they still use sawn-off Bren guns and BAP’s taped onto hurleys

roadmaster · 28-02-2021 2:37pm

Oh Abbeyshrule back in the day F15's and A10's

sparky42 · 28-02-2021 2:59pm

roadmaster wrote: »

Oh Abbeyshrule back in the day F15's and A10's

What about the stealth bombers?

source · 28-02-2021 3:04pm

sparky42 wrote: »

What about the stealth bombers?

Shhhhhhhhhh!

secret!

roadmaster · 28-02-2021 3:21pm

sparky42 wrote: »

What about the stealth bombers?

Did the yanks ever bring a F117?

Sgt. Bilko 09 · 28-02-2021 10:26pm

roadmaster wrote: »

Did the yanks ever bring a F117?

not officially, they are flying in Nevada and Oklahoma an awful lot. Lots of planespotters have photos of them flying low level

blindsider · 29-03-2021 1:34pm

https://twitter.com/EHSBspotter/status/1376491583969845255

2 x Tupolev 'Bears' decided to go play with 2 x Belgian F-16s this morning.

RAF had some planes up too, but don't think they got involved. Still some activity off NE Scotland...? (ADS-B)

jonnybigwallet · 29-03-2021 2:18pm

Time to rev up the Irish Strike Force!

Jerrykay6 · 29-03-2021 3:54pm

Sounds great. Sure we should get the navy a few aircraft carriers while we're at it. Load them up with F22s.

jonnybigwallet · 29-03-2021 4:02pm

Glad to hear about more Eire signs being restored. Did they restore the one on Bray Head that was exposed in a gorse fire a couple of years ago? I hope so! I might volunteer to help out with further restorations.... Keep safe Y'all!

Jerrykay6 · 29-03-2021 4:04pm

Dohvolle wrote: »

No point. F22 isn't carrier capable.
Thanks for your input though.

F35 excuse me

1o059k7ewrqj3n · 29-03-2021 4:15pm

We should get the Viggen.

source · 29-03-2021 4:16pm

Steyr 556 wrote: »

We should get the Viggen.

Loud old boy. I'd prefer the Draken, always loved that aircraft.

punchdrunk · 29-03-2021 4:56pm

Jerrykay6 wrote: »

Sounds great. Sure we should get the navy a few aircraft carriers while we're at it. Load them up with F22s.

Is this Johnnybigwallets alt?

saabsaab · 29-03-2021 5:35pm

Saab Gripens and a few BAE Hawks?

UTube below with a view..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srMoZhn4kzI

jonnybigwallet · 29-03-2021 5:53pm

Thank you for posting that... A jolly interesting discussion about a very thorny and difficult problem. I'd go for the advanced Korean trainer / interceptor meself out of the various options in the video.

29-03-2021 6:28pm

Jawgap wrote: »

And what exactly is the threat we're defending against, in your view?

The unknown.

jonnybigwallet · 29-03-2021 6:36pm

Jonny Russian. Innit obvious?

saabsaab · 29-03-2021 6:36pm

Deleted User wrote: »

The unknown.

A rogue or far right British state or Statelet anxious to reestablish the old status quo.

Psychlops · 29-03-2021 9:24pm

jonnybigwallet wrote: »

Glad to hear about more Eire signs being restored. Did they restore the one on Bray Head that was exposed in a gorse fire a couple of years ago? I hope so! I might volunteer to help out with further restorations.... Keep safe Y'all!

My hero.

Yawlboy · 30-03-2021 6:31am

The RAF is to retire 24 Tranche 1 Typhoons - The Air Defense model. Those planes aren't too old and were expected to be in service until 2040 following recent upgrades. Would be ideal for Ireland with training, servicing and maintenance available next door.....

Plus we could act as "Aggressor" in training exercises with the RAF

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/uk-defence-command-paper-raf-to-axe-older-typhoons

Wanderer78 · 30-03-2021 6:33am

Yawlboy wrote:

The RAF is to retire 24 Tranche 1 Typhoons - The Air Defense model. Those planes aren't too old and were expected to be in service until 2040 following recent upgrades. Would be ideal for Ireland with training, servicing and maintenance available next door.....

Maybe we need to build a few houses first, and maybe employee a few more health workers, before we considering buying military death machines!

Yawlboy · 30-03-2021 7:45am

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Maybe we need to build a few houses first, and maybe employee a few more health workers, before we considering buying military death machines!

Ireland spends 0.29% of GDP on its Military, one of the lowest in the world. Its military personnel are underpaid and lacking in equipment.

However we have the 5th highest spend on Healthcare. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(18)30461-6/fulltext

Wanderer78 · 30-03-2021 8:13am

Yawlboy wrote: »

Ireland spends 0.29% of GDP on its Military, one of the lowest in the world. Its military personnel are underpaid and lacking in equipment.

However we have the 5th highest spend on Healthcare. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(18)30461-6/fulltext

oh i agree our personnel should be getting better paid, but forking out millions, possibly billions on flying death machines, na you re grand thanks, let other countries do such stupid things.

yup, and our health care system needs even more money, and we cant keep taxing people more for it either

Gary kk · 30-03-2021 8:33am

Wanderer78 wrote: »

oh i agree our personnel should be getting better paid, but forking out millions, possibly billions on flying death machines, na you re grand thanks, let other countries do such stupid things.

yup, and our health care system needs even more money, and we cant keep taxing people more for it either

No the health care doesn't need more money it need a course In financial management

Wanderer78 · 30-03-2021 8:36am

Gary kk wrote: »

No the health care doesn't need more money it need a course In financial management

it actually doesnt really, because its not like a private sector business, having a functioning health care system is a critical economic and societal need, as not having one, causes major economic shocks such as lockdowns etc!

Gary kk · 30-03-2021 9:11am

Wanderer78 wrote: »

it actually doesnt really, because its not like a private sector business, having a functioning health care system is a critical economic and societal need, as not having one, causes major economic shocks such as lockdowns etc!

Yeah ok buddy go troll elsewhere

Yawlboy · 30-03-2021 10:24am

Yawlboy wrote: »

The RAF is to retire 24 Tranche 1 Typhoons - The Air Defence model. Those planes aren't too old and were expected to be in service until 2040 following recent upgrades. Would be ideal for Ireland with training, servicing and maintenance available next door.....

Plus we could act as "Aggressor" in training exercises with the RAF

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/uk-defence-command-paper-raf-to-axe-older-typhoons

But getting back to my original point, the Typhoon would be an excellent choice for air defence fighter. Reckon the UK would let them go very cheaply to us.

Yawlboy · 30-03-2021 11:05am

Dohvolle wrote: »

Defense?

oops Typo, thanks fixed

Wanderer78 · 30-03-2021 11:39am

looks like ive triggered some in here, thats a good sign! thank god folks like yourselves arent within an arses roar of government, fighter jets are not peace keeping machines folks, theyre designed to maim and kill, period. lets grow up and try do as much as possible to prevent their use in the first place, by using this money to create critical societal needs, and let the war games just be for the real kids

feckwunker · 30-03-2021 11:53am

Wanderer78 wrote: »

it actually doesnt really, because its not like a private sector business, having a functioning health care system is a critical economic and societal need, as not having one, causes major economic shocks such as lockdowns etc!

You're such an idiot it hurts my brain to comprehend that you exist.

Gary kk · 30-03-2021 11:57am

Wanderer78 wrote: »

looks like ive triggered some in here, thats a good sign! thank god folks like yourselves arent within an arses roar of government, fighter jets are not peace keeping machines folks, theyre designed to maim and kill, period. lets grow up and try do as much as possible to prevent their use in the first place, by using this money to create critical societal needs, and let the war games just be for the real kids

I think you will find this thread is about policing Irish air space with interceptors not ground attack jets.

blindsider · 30-03-2021 12:42pm

Wanderer78 wrote: »

looks like ive triggered some in here, thats a good sign! thank god folks like yourselves arent within an arses roar of government, fighter jets are not peace keeping machines folks, theyre designed to maim and kill, period. lets grow up and try do as much as possible to prevent their use in the first place, by using this money to create critical societal needs, and let the war games just be for the real kids

Try telling that to the government who regularly fly strategic bombers around our coast - with the transponder switched off - to see what reaction they can get.

Australia had a cyber attack last week which took out TV.

Do you know how many underseas communications cables pass through our waters? If someone decied to test their resilience, we'd be in some pickle!

I'm not suggesting we spend billions on a war-mongering army, but at least let's have the basic capacity to defend ourselves. Austria, Sweden and Finland are neutral, non-aligned countries - we could learn something from them.

https://www.mobihealthnews.com/news/emea/helsinkis-brand-new-childrens-hospital-case-study-patient-centric-design

€170m for a world-class Children's Hospital - how much will ours cost? €2bn?
https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0209/1196082-childrens-hospital-pac/

Let's re-think where the problems and inefficiencies are!

Notmything · 30-03-2021 1:31pm

Wanderer78 wrote: »

looks like ive triggered some in here, thats a good sign! thank god folks like yourselves arent within an arses roar of government, fighter jets are not peace keeping machines folks, theyre designed to maim and kill, period. lets grow up and try do as much as possible to prevent their use in the first place, by using this money to create critical societal needs, and let the war games just be for the real kids

You do realise that the rifles soldiers carry fire bullets not fluffy balls of cotton, That the apcs/ifv are also designed for one purpose and thats not to deliver flowesrs.

Grimscribe · 30-03-2021 1:53pm

Wanderer78 wrote: »

looks like ive triggered some in here, thats a good sign! thank god folks like yourselves arent within an arses roar of government, fighter jets are not peace keeping machines folks, theyre designed to maim and kill, period. lets grow up and try do as much as possible to prevent their use in the first place, by using this money to create critical societal needs, and let the war games just be for the real kids

So what do you say we do in the event some unfriendly lads with flying death machines (designed to maim and kill) start maiming and killing over here? Do we make them a pot of tea and tell them how much we're spending on healthcare to try make them jealous?
This might come as a shock but adequately defending a country from unfriendly lads may require maiming and killing, or so I've heard

ohnonotgmail · 30-03-2021 1:56pm

Grimscribe wrote: »

So what do you say we do in the event some unfriendly lads with flying death machines (designed to maim and kill) start maiming and killing over here? Do we make them a pot of tea and tell them how much we're spending on healthcare to try make them jealous?
This might come as a shock but adequately defending a country from unfriendly lads may require maiming and killing, or so I've heard

Nobody with the force projection capabilities to start "maiming and kill over here" would be the slightest bit worried by the number of fighters we could procure.

source · 30-03-2021 2:26pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Nobody with the force projection capabilities to start "maiming and kill over here" would be the slightest bit worried by the number of fighters we could procure.

That doesn't mean we shouldn't provide our services with the correct tools to do their job.

Grimscribe · 30-03-2021 2:29pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Nobody with the force projection capabilities to start "maiming and kill over here" would be the slightest bit worried by the number of fighters we could procure.

You can use this same logic to argue against even having a military. Why bother even putting up a fight if someone bigger will be able beat you anyways? Obviously it doesn't carry much weight since just about every country has a military and most of those are capable of defending their airspace

Fighter jets for the Air Corps?

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