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3 New Navy Vessels for Irish Naval Service

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,968 ✭✭✭aindriu80


    source wrote: »
    Rigid Hull Inflatable Boats or RHIBs.

    We call them ribs on this side of the atlantic.

    To be honest I got them completely mixed up and ended up calling them something else completely but yes its the really quick ones with a rigid hull.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,849 ✭✭✭Storm 10


    I notice that in the recent Naval News Section of the April 2013 Issue of "Ships Monthly" that Indonesia is set to purchase 3 ready-made British built Corvettes at a knockdown price.

    The vessels are the "Nakhoda Ragam" class that were originally ordered for the Royal Brunei Navy in 1995.

    Improvements and updates will include the replacement of their current Sea Wolf SAM system.

    Fine looking Vessels: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Warships_barrow_dock.jpg


    Wiki Source:


    General characteristics



    Type:F2000 Corvette
    Displacement:1,940 tonnes
    Length:89.9 m (295 ft) LWL, 95 m (312 ft) LOA
    Beam:12.8 m (42 ft)
    Draught:3.6 m (12 ft)
    Propulsion:4 x MAN B&W / Ruston diesel engine (total of 30.2 MW)
    2 x shafts

    Speed:30 knots (56 km/h)[1]
    Range:5,000 nautical miles (9,000 km) at 12 knots (22 km/h)[2]
    Complement:79 (room for an additional 24)

    Sensors and processing systems:
    Radamec 2500 electro-optic weapons director.
    Thales Underwater Systems TMS 4130C1 hull-mounted sonar.
    BAE Systems Insyte AWS-9 3D E- and F-band air and surface radar.
    BAE Insyte 1802SW I/J-band radar trackers.
    Kelvin Hughes Type 1007 navigation radar.
    Thales Nederland Scout radar for surface search.[2]

    Armament:
    2 Quad MBDA (Aerospatiale) Exocet MM40 Block II missile launchers.
    1 x 16 cell MBDA (BAE Systems) Seawolf surface-to-air missile launcher.
    1 x Oto Melara 76mm gun.
    2 x MSI Defence DS 30B REMSIG 30mm guns
    2 x triple BAE Systems 324mm torpedo tubes.
    Thales Sensors Cutlass 242 countermeasures.[2]

    Aircraft carried:
    1 x S-70B Seahawk

    Aviation facilities:
    Flightdeck, no hangar


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,407 ✭✭✭Cardinal Richelieu


    aindriu80 wrote: »
    popeye.jpg

    aye popeye.

    But seriously with the amount of worth under Irish territorial waters its an awful shame to spend so little on defence and have so few ships.

    Who do you view as a potential threat to that worth, that we need to fork out the price of a children's hospital per ship?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,195 ✭✭✭goldie fish


    Storm 10 wrote: »
    I notice that in the recent Naval News Section of the April 2013 Issue of "Ships Monthly" that Indonesia is set to purchase 3 ready-made British built Corvettes at a knockdown price.

    The vessels are the "Nakhoda Ragam" class that were originally ordered for the Royal Brunei Navy in 1995.

    Improvements and updates will include the replacement of their current Sea Wolf SAM system.

    Fine looking Vessels: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Warships_barrow_dock.jpg


    Wiki Source:


    General characteristics



    Type:F2000 Corvette
    Displacement:1,940 tonnes
    Length:89.9 m (295 ft) LWL, 95 m (312 ft) LOA
    Beam:12.8 m (42 ft)
    Draught:3.6 m (12 ft)
    Propulsion:4 x MAN B&W / Ruston diesel engine (total of 30.2 MW)
    2 x shafts

    Speed:30 knots (56 km/h)[1]
    Range:5,000 nautical miles (9,000 km) at 12 knots (22 km/h)[2]
    Complement:79 (room for an additional 24)

    Sensors and processing systems:
    Radamec 2500 electro-optic weapons director.
    Thales Underwater Systems TMS 4130C1 hull-mounted sonar.
    BAE Systems Insyte AWS-9 3D E- and F-band air and surface radar.
    BAE Insyte 1802SW I/J-band radar trackers.
    Kelvin Hughes Type 1007 navigation radar.
    Thales Nederland Scout radar for surface search.[2]

    Armament:
    2 Quad MBDA (Aerospatiale) Exocet MM40 Block II missile launchers.
    1 x 16 cell MBDA (BAE Systems) Seawolf surface-to-air missile launcher.
    1 x Oto Melara 76mm gun.
    2 x MSI Defence DS 30B REMSIG 30mm guns
    2 x triple BAE Systems 324mm torpedo tubes.
    Thales Sensors Cutlass 242 countermeasures.[2]

    Aircraft carried:
    1 x S-70B Seahawk

    Aviation facilities:
    Flightdeck, no hangar

    Did you see how much they paid?


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,849 ✭✭✭Storm 10


    Did you see how much they paid?


    I did not im afraid, the article did not say so either. It did say the unused corvettes are to be bought for 20% of their original cost.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,849 ✭✭✭Storm 10


    Not much in Size/Length between those Corvettes and LE Eithne?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,407 ✭✭✭Cardinal Richelieu


    http://www.asianmilitaryreview.com/indonesias-military-modernization/
    At the same time the Indonesia Navy plans to procure the three Nakhoda Ragam OPVs that were built for but then rejected by Brunei. Navy Chief Admiral Soeparno stated that the Indonesian Navy plans to obtain the three ships in the 2013-2014 timeframe at a cost of $380 million though the Indonesian Parliamentary Committee overseeing defence has opposed the plan.

    Of course Indonesia has allocated a budget of $8.4 billion to finance procurement of military equipment this year.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,195 ✭✭✭goldie fish


    Storm 10 wrote: »
    I did not im afraid, the article did not say so either. It did say the unused corvettes are to be bought for 20% of their original cost.

    US $1.7bn for the 3 ships.

    Thats twice our annual defence budget.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 90,508 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    Storm 10 wrote: »
    I notice that in the recent Naval News Section of the April 2013 Issue of "Ships Monthly" that Indonesia is set to purchase 3 ready-made British built Corvettes at a knockdown price.
    UK arms sales to Indonesia remember the fuss over that in the past.

    Who knows if this is anything more than a loss-leader to get back in the game after not selling to them for so long ?

    For political reasons we'd be unlikely to have got the same deal, even though we've bought ex UK boats before.


  • Registered Users Posts: 110 ✭✭pilatus


    Any recent photos of the new build? One would imagine it's starting to look more and more complete now .


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,195 ✭✭✭goldie fish


    pilatus wrote: »
    Any recent photos of the new build? One would imagine it's starting to look more and more complete now .

    No photos cleared for release yet. Hull is more or less complete. Engines were test run at manufacturers recently and should be fitted by now also.


  • Registered Users Posts: 110 ✭✭pilatus


    Thanks Goldie. The anticipation is building now waiting for the first photos to appear. Shouldn't be long hopefully.


  • Registered Users Posts: 332 ✭✭nowecant


    Some interesting information from Inshore-Ireland on new vessels for the INS, not really sure about some of the facts though. I thought the new ships were to be 90m long, and an option on a third. I also thought the MRV, which i would love to see the service get was a lot further off that this piece seems to indicate.

    http://www.inshore-ireland.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=149&Itemid=133


  • Registered Users Posts: 332 ✭✭nowecant


    Another article in the Irish Times about the subject which seems to be slightly more accurate.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/keels-laid-for-99m-naval-service-vessels-1.522001


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,195 ✭✭✭goldie fish


    The first article is from 2008. Very Very early in the program and before willie o dea decided not to bother making any decisions, Contracts had not even been drawn up by then, never mind signed. The Cdr Mellett in the article is now Commodore, 2 ranks on.
    The second is from Last May.


  • Registered Users Posts: 110 ✭✭pilatus


    While on the subject of new ships and apologies if this has already been asked, but when is the next white paper on defence due, that should dictate the roles and therefore what ships we will acquire in the next decade? Thanks.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,195 ✭✭✭goldie fish


    Green Paper(setting out the consultative process for the white paper) due out this month. White paper should be complete end of 2015. A lot of decisions on the future path of all arms of the DF will be decided in it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 179 ✭✭NewSigGuy


    So there will be a "green paper" this time??


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 2,688 Mod ✭✭✭✭Morpheus


    theres always a green paper first then the white paper.


  • Registered Users Posts: 179 ✭✭NewSigGuy


    Morpheus wrote: »
    theres always a green paper first then the white paper.

    Maybe I'm wrong but I thought the last White paper on defense was released without any consultative green paper..


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  • Registered Users Posts: 179 ✭✭NewSigGuy


    Here is a link to a recent Dail question, the Minister says the last white paper emerged without any consultation.

    http://debates.oireachtas.ie/dail/2012/02/08/00013.asp


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,195 ✭✭✭goldie fish


    There was a certain consultative process, but it was a bit flawed, in that those who made submissions included golf clubs, residents associations, the Green party and other pointless organisations, interested only in what they could get from the DF.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,195 ✭✭✭goldie fish


    MES, the electrical Contractor for the new build process have placed a case study on the sensor fitout on their website.

    http://www.marineelectronicsystems.com/p/mission-system-case-study.html
    2012 and 2013 have seen MES working extensively on the mission system design of the 2 new Offshore Patrol Vessels (OPV) for the Irish Naval Service in build at Babcock’s Appledore shipyard. The multi million pound contract encompasses supply and installation of a complete integrated mission system suite comprising of an integrated navigation bridge system, internal and external communications outfits, and an electro-optical surveillance/gunfire control system.

    Unfortunately the new images on the page are not functioning.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,827 ✭✭✭Donny5


    Unfortunately the new images on the page are not functioning.

    Oh, God, look at the image URLs - stuff like "webkit-fake-url://122DADF3-2775-4B8E-8682-59A2662DB665/application.pdf", which is what happens when someone tries to drag and drop a local image from their hard drive into a WebKit editor. Some serious web-dev failure right there.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,195 ✭✭✭goldie fish


    Donny5 wrote: »
    Oh, God, look at the image URLs - stuff like "webkit-fake-url://122DADF3-2775-4B8E-8682-59A2662DB665/application.pdf", which is what happens when someone tries to drag and drop a local image from their hard drive into a WebKit editor. Some serious web-dev failure right there.

    Must be a student in on co-op updating the website...:rolleyes:


  • Registered Users Posts: 332 ✭✭nowecant


    Does anyone have any update on the first ship?

    Has the second been started? and when might the option for the third be exercised?

    Also, slightly off topic but does anyone have any information on the MRV that was talked about a few years ago? Is it still just a dream?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,195 ✭✭✭goldie fish


    nowecant wrote: »
    Does anyone have any update on the first ship?

    Has the second been started? and when might the option for the third be exercised?

    Also, slightly off topic but does anyone have any information on the MRV that was talked about a few years ago? Is it still just a dream?

    First ship is well advanced. It will be commencing sea trials in the late autumn. They have started to cut steel for the second ship. The option for the third will not be considered until after the First ship has been commissioned, at the earliest. At the same time a decision will have to be made whether or not to go to tender for the EPV.(What the MRV became when the army stole the MRV abbreviation).


  • Registered Users Posts: 332 ✭✭nowecant


    Thanks, much appreciated.

    MRV or EPV, the name doesn't really bother me ;-) I would love to see them get something like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDMS_Absalon_%28L16%29 I have no idea how much this would cost without some of the weapon systems and other services that we would not need but other than that it seems just slightly bigger than what was being mooted last time I looked into this.

    Any thoughts? Has anyone got a list of possible contenders for the EPV?


  • Registered Users Posts: 332 ✭✭nowecant


    In case no one seen this

    http://www.herald.ie/news/navys-emer-and-aoife-sail-into-sunset-29269843.html
    Navy's Emer and Aoife sail into sunset

    Michael Lavery – 15 May 2013 02:48 PM

    LE Emer and sister ship LE Aoife were built between 1978 and 1980 in the Verolme dockyard, in Cobh, Co Cork.

    The first ship of four in the Offshore Patrol Vessel (OPV) class built in Cork in 1972, the LE Deirdre, was decommissioned in 2001 and sold for €190,000. She was later converted into a luxury yacht.

    The two ships will be replaced by two new OPVs – in a contract worth more than €99m – which are being built for the Naval Service at Appledore shipyard in Devon in the UK.

    The first of the new ships is scheduled for delivery early next year. The second will follow in 2015.

    LE Emer undertook the first ever deployment of an Irish naval ship to resupply Irish troops serving with the United Nations in Lebanon in 1978.

    EXPLOSION

    The Aoife played a major role in locating the flight recorder of the Air India Boeing 747 Jumbo airliner, which crashed off the Irish south coast in 1985 after a bomb explosion, killing 329 people on board.

    The Department of Defence is seeking expressions of interest for the sale of Emer and Aoife by May 23 next.

    The two new OPVs are designed to serve for up to 40 years, mainly in the North Atlantic, out to Ireland's 200 mile European Economic Zone limit and beyond.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 514 ✭✭✭Savage93


    nowecant wrote: »

    US just sold 2 Perry class frigates to Taiwan for $20m, some bargain see details
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliver_Hazard_Perry-class_frigate


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