Digital Performer

I cant see why Le wouldnt wok perfectly with live? It should work with all daws.

And your totally against the Apogee,Motu, Full Daw route ye? Is there something that makes it out of the question?

It just seems like your buying a lot of middle ground stuff when with 5k i would just buy less and better stuff? So that if you ever do want to move up to something different, It certainly wont be because your gear held you back!

Well im sure your doing your reasearch anyway and now the possible pitfalls etc! If your looking to jump on the PT wagon i wouldnt do it the way you plan on it. Buying a HD rig will mean almost buying from scratch again as your prob better off just buying a whole integrated system. So bare in mind that this will be one rig, Hd will be another...The 1st probably wont evolve in the last.

My Chain with 5k would be
Top Mic
Top Pre
Top Soundcard
Full Featured Daw
Nice Mixer

and i would prob also be buying second hand to get an even more smoking rig!

ok just to clear up the ableton and pt thing, as far as i know (i'm 95% sure) ableton is owned (technically) by m-audio. Who in turn are owned by Avid who also happen to own Digidesign. That's why i would predict PTLE won't upgrade the midi capabilities and will continue to do this ableton lite (or digidesign ableton or some other thing like that).

Digidesign don't view ableton as a competitor and they are correct. For audio editing PTLE really is top dog. And using ableton with PTLE is really a great choice. Also due to the fact that ableton are owned (in a roundabout way i think), you are guaranteed no compatibility problems in the future.

I can't belivve u kids are still fighting.

Get your heads out of your a** and go write some f******g music...

;P

I don't mind any software as long as it works... i found that Digidesign have some rather unethical tactics in regards to their aquisition of code... I won't go into mud slinging but i find that i'd rather support companies who firmly base their business around the musicians... spectrasonics, cubase & SSL are some of my personal faves - having owned stupid amounts of hardware software i setteled down with what works for me... It must be a different mindset to use logic - the music comes out the end no different really.

If you want to get really anal about things maybe you should look at the creative time you waste arguing and not bringing soulful music to the world.
Rant.end

Niall - Dahlia wrote:

No, the MBox is definitely not a good idea for future expansion. 2 "pro quality" channels as you put it is all you can have. The MBox is for learning Pro Tools (and becoming dependent on it...guilty as charged!)

In saying that though the 002/003 isn't exactly limitlessly expandable either, you can use ADAT and SPDIF simultaneously allowing for a total of 10 external preamps bypassing the 002 convertors, but that's the max if you're insistent about avoiding the 002's converters (a good idea).

Maybe when you feel you need to make the step up to 16+ tracks you'll be in a position to consider a HD system, in which case a 002 will do you fine. Maybe by that time Digidesign will have released their next "must have to be pro" system and the HD interfaces will take a tumble in price!

When the 003 came there was a lot of moaning at the digi forums, people were very disappointed in that the 003 was just a rebranded 002 with very little in the way of new features. Anyway, I recall a Digi staff member posting on the discussion and he pretty much hinted that digi were working on a mid range system.

Don't hold your breath though, I've been waiting for over 4 years for digi to deliver.

Niall - Dahlia wrote:

It's a tricky one to call, but I don't see a midrange PT interface being released anytime soon. A midrange system would probably be a bad business move for Digidesign, and they are a business at the end of the day. They wanna shift their HD systems, and a midrange system would eat into HD sales, they don't want to give a middle ground. I think the 003 was proof of that. No reason why it couldn't have been the midrange system everybody was looking for, but Digidesign decided against it.

Interestingly enough I see more and more threads about people wondering if it's a good idea to get a HD system now, or whether there'll be a new flagship product line they should wait for. But I don't really see that happening any time soon either. But who knows. *cue Digidesign press release announcing new midrange system and uber-HD 768kHz/32-bit system*

And the award for most off-topic thread on boards.ie goes toooo...

Digi's position is indeed tricky but while they dominate the pro end of the market they must be loosing massive sales at the semi pro end of the market.

I mean, for the same money as a 003 you could have a much more powerful and flexible system whether it's based around logic, DP or whatever. The hardware in/out limitations that digi impose on the LE range must and does put a lot of people off.

Pro Tools as a tool is wonderful. I love working with it but it's so frustrating that I'm expected to pay a minimum of €10,000 to just allow me to have flexible in & out options. The simple solution for digi would be to release additional hardware add-ons for the Le range. It could still be limited to say 24 in's / 8 outs and sample rates remain no higher than 96khz. Perhaps leave track count limited too.

It will certainly be interesting to watch their next move, especially when they do replace HD.

This thread has gone on for so long but it seems many of you aren't using logic and reason when putting forward your points.

In my opinion, in a few years time, all digital performers will be using Cycleton Live 74 as their main pro tool.