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BusConnects Dublin - Bus Network Changes Discussion

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,757 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    ItIt's On the bus connects website there's a map called '2024 revisions' I.e. sod the 3 rounds of public consultation and 3 years of chat.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,965 ✭✭✭trellheim


    Ah ffs they've only updated that one map https://busconnects.ie/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/A3-Big-Picture-Map-11.04.24-B.pdf

    the original area maps still have the old routing https://busconnects.ie/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/cabra-area-map.pdf

    there must be something weird about not being able to put in traffic signal infrastructure on parkgate st/sean heuston bridge to allow the N2 to launch



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,112 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    I assume they'll announce that closer to the time. Supposedly both the E1 and E2 will be 24hr but they'll then need to do something to replace the 84N as well as it serves Greystones and some other places along the route that the E2 won't cover.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭p_haugh


    Was at Taste of Dublin over the weekend and noticed the bus shelter on Merrion Square West had two timetable holders (with one dedicated to DoDublin Tours). I really wish they would do this at more stops, especially those with multiple routes!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,063 ✭✭✭Daith


    A person who objected to a bus stop outside their front door as part of the Clongriffin bus corridor has been granted leave to challenge it.

    I could be wrong here, but I don't think they can just proceed with the rest of the corridor until this is settled?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,932 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    Correct. If the objection succeeds a new planning application will have to be made.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,709 ✭✭✭jd




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,757 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    I'm not seeing much difference. Other than The F1 is serving IKEA as the 140 does at present.

    I wonder why they're still showing the A spine going east to West on college green. Surely that's settled by now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,542 ✭✭✭dublinman1990


    I'm not sure if this covered under the changes from the previous map. The L27 from Dún Laoghaire will now be terminating at Leopardstown Luas Stop rather than at Ballyogan Avenue. It says the bus will now serve Ballyogan Avenue in both directions once it's rolled out for passenger service. I have to wonder how it will do that in future The buses on the 63 usually go around that estate in a one way loop in either direction. The 44/44C used to do that when they served Ballyogan in the past.

    I would assume that the L27 will just stick with the one way route around Ballyogan Avenue & Ballyogan Court once it goes live.

    Is the L27 still being rolled out with the other E-Spine routes this year?



  • Registered Users Posts: 165 ✭✭DUBLINBUSGUY


    I would imagine it is rolling out at same time as E spine because I seen some GAI buses training in that area and there is a new bus stop kerbing built on Johnstown Road at St. Gabriel's opposite the stop across the road.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 10 GRUF


    I am reliably informed that the F Spine bus stops and other minor works are currently past the planning process, and are hopefully gonna be starting construction in the short term. I like to think it'll all be completed long before the end of the year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,209 ✭✭✭mikeybhoy


    They'd be better off extending that one up to Belarmine



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,542 ✭✭✭dublinman1990


    That's great news. Has there been some buses doing training on the L26 in the Carrickmines/Kilternan area as well?



  • Registered Users Posts: 451 ✭✭dublinbusdude


    Any update on the next lot of changes? Would thought there would been some by now as schools are out for the Summer break!!



  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,399 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatInABox


    The N routes got some small changes.

    The N2 will no longer follow the O route near phoenix park. Not sure why.

    The N6 has been extended down to Blackbanks, although this is on hold until works are done to enable it. Presumably they're going to put a roundabout or something here, although it's meant to be a terminus, so they'll need a place to park as well, right? Not sure how it'll work, to be honest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,965 ✭✭✭trellheim


    Regarding the N2 there would have had to be some infrastructure changes to get it into Heuston ( the same ones needed for the O route, although they could have turned it like the 46a and additionally I am not sure there is room to turn a doubledecker left off NCR onto Blackhorse without movement of stop lines



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,475 ✭✭✭VG31


    They've been due in June →July → September and now October according to a poster here a page or two back so who knows. All I know is they continue at this extremely slow rate, it could be in to the 2030s until Bus Connects is fully implemented!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,965 ✭✭✭trellheim


    Some very strange crayoning going on with the E2 being pulled out of Finglas back to IKEA and leaving the northwestern part of St Margarets Road without a service , was it done just to have high freq F route on Jamestown road



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,681 ✭✭✭TheChrisD


    The roads for the suggested routing from Balbutcher Lane north straight through to IKEA aren't really suitable for bus operations; hence the redirect through Hampton Wood Drive. Presumably then E2 terminus was moved to IKEA to continue to be able to serve there directly, and the F1 was also moved to retain the Finglas→IKEA connection from the current 140 routing.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 50 ✭✭Duit


    Thank you for this! I've never seen this map before. I don't know if this has been debated before but why do the 6 bus from Malahide doesn't continue through Clontarf Rd similar to the X78 (Current 32X bus). It would have speed up the commuting times, increased connectivity around Clontarf and could reconnect back with the H spine in Fairview. I don't get who designed the bus connects network. I'm looking at this map in it's entirety for the first time and it doesn't make much sense…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,932 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    What doesn’t make sense?

    This went through three massive rounds of consultation between 2018 and 2020.



  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,399 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatInABox


    The 6 doesn't use Clontarf Road because they want it to serve more people by using the Howth Road.



  • Registered Users Posts: 54 ✭✭Disco24


    Agree. gap along the coast road means disconnect between clontarf and bayside/ sutton meaning people drive instead to wooden Bridge, clontarf village.

    Running #6 along coast road would solve. Howth Rd passengers could use h3 and change to 6 at bayside if they need to go back of howth hill.



  • Registered Users Posts: 50 ✭✭Duit


    I remember providing feedback to the project back in the day but I have never seen the entire map. As someone has mentioned below, there is a disconnection from someone in howth trying to get into wooden bridge or Clontarf village. There is plenty of connectivity of that line with the H spine. The bus runs every hour, why not providing an alternative route?

    The problem is that that bus only runs on a hourly basis. Every time I used it it's nearly empty. People don't bother taking it as many of the howth road users are probably not familiarise with the route.

    That what I was thinking. By seeing it on the map I was wonder why the designers didn't think about it…



  • Registered Users Posts: 77 ✭✭BusGuy


    Today has marked exactly 6 months since Phase 5B has launched, I'm looking forward to see what will happen what will happen to the Clongriffin area in the future, and to see one of the biggest routes in Dublin, the 46A being scrapped.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,327 ✭✭✭bikeman1


    While on the subject of the very first "spine" (only runs on one side of the city and is basically the same as the 29A, 31s and 32s). The 6 should operate along the coast road, past Mount Prospect Ave., then left up Watermill Road, right at Raheny village and along the Howth Road to Blackbanks and on to Howth.

    This would provide Raheny, Bayside, Sutton and Howth with a link to Dollymount and Clontarf. A much more sensible routing in my opinion. It would also link Clontarf to the soon to be extended N6 at Blackbanks. Journey times would be the same.

    Anyway, I think there are bigger issues out there than this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,932 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    The maps have been there all along, and clearly linked on the BusConnects website. It’s a bit difficult to visualise a network without them.

    You seemed to implying that there were other issues other than the route that the 6 takes, hence my question, but maybe not.



  • Registered Users Posts: 50 ✭✭Duit


    I have never seen a map on the entire Bus connects routes. I remember the ones that were sent once the H spine was implemented. When I saw the complete map I just saw the H spine and the 6 route in relation to the rest of the network and that's where my question came. There are probably other places with similar issues across the network. I use the 6 bus sometimes and little people take it. I would prefer 2 buses per hour with different routes than 1 per hour on a well covered route but it might be my preference



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,589 ✭✭✭john boye


    Is there any update on extra garage space? I doubt the existing depots can take much more expansion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,327 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,327 ✭✭✭bikeman1


    I passed the construction site of the new E1 terminus in Northwood outside Costa Coffee there.

    It doesn’t look like it is a proper pull in bay for two or three buses, but merely new bus stop infrastructure without a proper lay-by. That won’t work well.



  • Registered Users Posts: 54 ✭✭Disco24


    Someone dropped the ball on the clontarf coast road despite it being brought up at consultation. It's an obvious piece missing on the map.

    Alternative is to send current 130 out to baldoyle/ sutton along the coast road. It does a a crazy zig zag around the houses journey through clontarf as it is, frequently getting stuck on narrow residential roads and at St annes delaying the service.

    New route to Beaumont from the city will serve middle of clontarf, albeit only hourly, so there's duplication with 130.



  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,399 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatInABox


    You'll have to get used to calling the 130 the 10 soon enough.

    I'm a bit confused by the talk of them dropping the ball on the coast road though. From my point of view, there's a pretty hard limit on the number of people that can be served by a bus going down the coast road, what with half the catchment area being the sea itself. Then it actually gets worse, with a giant park opposite the sea, followed by a fairly long cliff. Sure, people want to go to the beach, but that's only on sunny days, something we've sadly seen too few of this year.

    The aim of the bus service isn't to offer amazing service to everyone, it's to manage a good level of service for everyone given the constraints of funding, staffing, etc. Clontarf has an adequate level of service for the amount of people living in the area, and the lack of major trip generators. As you point out, it's also getting the 8, which will connect in with Beaumont. There's many other areas that'd kill for this kind of service.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,709 ✭✭✭jd


    I was wondering about that. There is an indentation inwards, I guess the traffic lanes may be narrowed too. I passed when there was a cement mixer in the new small lay by with cones around it, and traffic could flow in both directions. I suspect the current owners gave the NTA the bare minimum to work with - I wouldn't be surprised if there were new buildings replacing the retail units inclusing Costa in the future, Cosgraves alluded to it in the planning application for Blackwood Square

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  • Registered Users Posts: 77 ✭✭BusGuy


    Any news of the 39A moving depots for the EW’s? More and more EW’s have been operating on the 39A, which I think the 39A operates out of Donnybrook, and the 39 is a completely different story, but no news of EW’s to Donnybrook, and also no news of electrification for the EW’s at DBK, although it’s kinda stupid that DBK can hold PA but not EW’s, and EA’s I think is gonna see the end of the WS’s if it’s what I’m sensing, so the EW’s give a hint that in later phases the 39A might be moved to a different depot, given the current situation. Although, the 39A operates in the VT’s, so it’s a double depot operated route I guess.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭p_haugh


    The 39 and 39A are both operated out of Phibsborough Garage



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,542 ✭✭✭dublinman1990


    The EW's are not based in Donnybrook yet. They can only be used where they have the charging points installed in the bus garages. That's in Summerhill & Phibsborough so far when we are talking about the bus service in Dublin.

    There was one cancellation noted on the TFI Live app for the S8 from Kingswood Avenue to Dun Laoghaire yesterday morning. It was seen there in the app between 10am & 10:15am yesterday. It didn't appear to have any buses when it was going to Kingswood Avenue. Did this cancellation have affect any other Go-Ahead buses running out of Dun Laoghaire yesterday?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,932 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    I think that if you tried to remove the bus service from those narrow residential roads, you would have uproar from the locals. It’s a non-starter.

    The 8 is there also to compensate for the reduction in frequency that will happen when the 130 becomes the 10.



  • Registered Users Posts: 54 ✭✭Disco24


    Some of reasons for having a bus service that runs along coast road.

    • Dollymount Wooden Bridge. Unless its bucketing down busy all year round especially post covid.
    • Schools. Kids been driven to 5/6 different schools as no Bus service connecting two areas of clontarf and sutton/ howth.
    • Popular Destinations for restaurants
    • Demand will increase further with increase in apartments in howth, baldoyle.

    It's a no brainer to link the areas to reduce car traffic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,932 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    Apart from the Holy Faith Clontarf, all the other schools in that general area are closer to the Howth Road and Manor House on Watermill Road is passed directly by the 6.

    I don’t really see that as a justification.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,589 ✭✭✭john boye


    How is this noteworthy? There are hundreds of cancelled trips in Dublin every day now. One cancellation on my local route would be an excellent day.



  • Registered Users Posts: 54 ✭✭Disco24


    Plenty of kids going other way to fintans, sutton park etc. Need is there and will be greater as pop increases.

    Schools as mentioned is only one of the justifications.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,965 ✭✭✭trellheim


    In terms of the route changes being advertised above e.g N2 now going up Blackhalll instead of infirmary Rd, where is the consultation on those changes ?

    Many here bang on about the public discussion on these routes, but those changes above are being implemented solely by the NTA without any public input .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,209 ✭✭✭mikeybhoy


    The WS's will still be needed for the 44b/L33 I'd imagine



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭p_haugh


    The EAs are also single deck so should be a suitable replacement.



  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,399 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatInABox


    Not every change needs to go out for consultation, in particular, most of these changes are changes that seem to be required due to a lack of infrastructure works.

    Ultimately, the NTA are responsible for the bus routes, and bus route changes are not subject to planning permission or indeed any kind of public consultation requirements. BusConnects was unusual in that it was a complete sea change in the bus network, but relatively minor changes like this? It should not be subject to public debate, to be honest.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9 oliver_murray


    Sorry to bring off topic, it appears the works at Hazelhatch for the full W6 seem to be progressing well so hopefully will see the route by September/October?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,741 ✭✭✭tnegun


    I wonder if the full route will improve reliability. I'm back in the car for the summer as the service falls to bits in the late afternoon/evening with no-shows and late running.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,327 ✭✭✭bikeman1


    Swords to City Centre bus corridor has been approved by ABP. Good to see another one over that line. As a regular user of that corridor, both on bike and bus, it is badly needed.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,209 ✭✭✭mikeybhoy


    Are the EAs not longer? Would've thought length would be an issue on the 44b. Contrary to popular belief a double decker can fit on the 44b route there was a heritage run of an ex DB RV up there a while back



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