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J. K. Rowling is cancelled because she is a T.E.R.F [ADMIN WARNING IN POST #1]

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  • #52
    JohnnyFlash
    Registered Users Posts: 7,055 ✭✭✭JohnnyFlash


    Who cares?

    Very wealthy woman provokes the outrage of people who genuinely care about twitter.

    What a waste of time to be outraged about.


  • #53
    NIMAN
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,017 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    I dont understand so much of the opening post.

    It's like it's written in a different language


  • #54
    CroatoanCat
    Registered Users Posts: 98 ✭✭CroatoanCat


    This is delightful:

    https://spectator.us/jk-rowling-terf/


  • #55
    Paddy Cow
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,576 ✭✭✭Paddy Cow


    Deleted User wrote: »
    As a committed member of the LGBT community, I find what is happening re: gender/sex to be nothing short of appalling.

    You cannot change biological sex. There is no standard for "feeling like a woman". I am a man, and I have no idea what "feeling like a man" is, so how can biologically-born women "feel" this?

    Second, you cannot be born into stereotypes. Long hair, make-up, attraction to pink etc., are all social constructions. You cannot be born into a social construction.

    Third, biological sex is XX and XY. There are some aberrations, such as Kleinfelters, XXY etc., but these are aberrations. The claim here is that biological men or women can switch chromosomal sex. It is not possible.

    Fourth, this is the only trans- category that is taken seriously by society. For example - there are some people who are able-bodied, but believe they were "born disabled". There are some in society now arguing that we should have the State pay for these people to become disabled to meet their "mental image". This is the equivalent of saying to an anorexic person, "you are fine the way you are, it has nothing to do with mental dysphoria".

    There are many trans- men/women who are equally as appalled by what is going on, especially regarding the gender identity question.

    I, as a member of the LGBT community, get completely sidelined. When people speak to me privately about this issue, they agree with me. But they dare not say it in public.

    An extremist identity politics minority have taken over. They are vocal and dangerous and are destroying societal norms as we know them to be.
    I'm not LGBT but have many friends who are and I support LGBT rights but it's all become very strange the last few years. First off it's not LGBT anymore. It's a whole host of letters that I can't keep track of and just doesn't make sense. There's more sexualities than I can keep track of and it seems that people are just making stuff up so they can fall under the umbrella term of "LGBT" to feel special and get attention for themselves which just undermines what LGBT originally stood for.

    I have no problem with trans people. Just like I have no problem with gay people. I don't understand why some people are born sexually attracted to the same sex but they're not hurting anyone so who cares if they fall in love with someone of the same gender. Same with trans. I don't understand why someone feels like they are in the wrong physical body but if transitioning makes them happier, all power to them.

    What I do have a problem with is people who are not trans, posing as trans and putting others in a compromising position. I read on the internet (and at first thought it was a sick joke) about "trans" women, who don't actually want to transition, harassing gay women for sex. Men with a penis, who "self identify" as women but don't want to transition, feel like lesbians should have sex with them because they are women and if the lesbians don't want to because they have a penis, they are transphobic.

    There was something in the media recently enough about a dating show on the BBC (I think?) where they set up a lesbian woman with a trans woman and while they got on, ultimately the lesbian didn't want to continue dating the trans and she got a sh!t storm on social media. It was a totally unfair situation to put her in and was obviously done for views. It would be like if I self identified as a man and started harassing gay men for sex and tried to label them as transphobic for not wanting to have sex with my vagina. I would be told to cop on and stop acting the muppet.

    Piers Morgan had a trans woman and a gay guy on one morning and the trans woman was trying to explain to the gay guy that he was so woke with his 150 genders that he was actually hurting trans rights but he wouldn't listen. The gay guy thought he was more of an expert on trans rights, than an actual trans person who has to live a trans experience every day.

    People are so busy trying to be woke that it's devaluing what it meant to be LGBT. I could identify as Pansexual and hey, presto I'm LGBT and can sprout any manner of shyte I want and anyone who disagrees with me is homophobic :rolleyes:


  • #56
    Gynoid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,524 ✭✭✭Gynoid


    People are a bit hung up on the use of the word "cancel" being a hysterical Americanisation.
    It is not a word I would use. It is hard to keep up with the evolution of language - himself only told me yesterday netflix and chill means come over for sex, I thought it meant to lazily watch movies :D.
    But leaving aside cancel as a word, what is meant is that Rowling has been subject to a litany of vile public abuse from a baying mob in what is effectively the modern public square. Other people saying what she said have been getting death and rape threats for ages. The mob gloated viciously over Magdalen Berns death from brain cancer. There have been people visited by police for expressing opinions critical of gender theory.
    It may yet be designated as hate speech and made an actionable offense. I would never publicly express my opinions on extreme trans activism without anonymity, Im sure there are many who feel the same way - ordinary people are in effect silenced from expressing opposition to extremist anti-reason ascientific ideology by threatening mobs. It is kind of weird.


  • #57
    c.p.w.g.w
    Registered Users Posts: 4,994 ✭✭✭c.p.w.g.w


    Sparkey84 wrote: »
    good point linking it to the irfu example. reflecting values is the crux of the case. i would be very unclear where to draw the line between values and fact though. do you think her expressed opinion about what she considers a fact can show her true values?

    If the employer believed the earth was flat would you still be on the employers side


  • #58
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,104 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I raised this kind of question in the LGBT forum, but even as a member of that community, that thread was closed because it was deemed in breach.

    Don't lie.

    The thread wasnt closed because it was in breach.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #59
    Canis Lupus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,893 ✭✭✭Canis Lupus


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    Yeah dont know how anyone can say her books are ****e. Even if you're not into them personally, the fact that she's a billionaire because of them clearly says otherwise.

    And then there's the Kardashians.....


  • #60
    Bob Harris
    Registered Users Posts: 3,461 ✭✭✭Bob Harris


    It's about time that JK Rowling wrote something worth reading.


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  • #61
    colm_mcm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,478 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    GRACKEA wrote: »
    She's been hashtag cancelled a couple of times now and remains wildly rich and successful so I'm sure she'll be grand this time too like

    What’s hashtag cancelled? Has her twitter account been cancelled or what?


  • #62
    GRACKEA
    Closed Accounts Posts: 129 ✭✭GRACKEA


    colm_mcm wrote: »
    What’s hashtag cancelled? Has her twitter account been cancelled or what?

    I dunno I'm just slagging the phrase cancelled by putting the word hashtag in front of it because it's really only a thing on Twitter


  • #63
    Sparkey84
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 289 ✭✭Sparkey84


    c.p.w.g.w wrote: »
    If the employer believed the earth was flat would you still be on the employers side

    o im not on the employers side. im not fully sure where i draw the line, but im sure its not that far to the left


  • #64
    Gwynplaine
    Registered Users Posts: 2,909 ✭✭✭Gwynplaine


    What she has said is true. I applaud her.


  • #65
    KildareP
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,513 ✭✭✭KildareP


    Maybe if we wait just a little bit longer they'll eventually start "cancelling" each other?


  • #66
    Larbre34
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,364 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Cancelled is something you have done to your Sky Sports subscription (though why you would do it now, just ahead of a feast of festive football is anyone's guess)

    A person cannot be "cancelled", literally or figuratively. That is the language of fascism. Especially not a giant of culture like JK Rowling. Well done to her for using the platform she has to call out the madness around her and around us all.


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  • #67
    Bishop of hope
    Registered Users Posts: 2,928 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    Cancelled where, I read an article on this and it said she was cancelled, but didn't say where.
    One man's meat is another's poison, so if one door closes then another probably opens.
    Basically I wonder from this, if I claim to be transgender and being a male, as I am, it then becomes acceptable for me to enter ladies changing rooms and rest rooms and toilets and such¡?


  • #68
    LineOfBeauty
    Registered Users Posts: 2,211 ✭✭✭LineOfBeauty


    Whenever these issues pop up one of my absolute least favourite things that always happens is you see members of the LGBTQ community aggressively siding against the transgender person, in my opinion in an effort to appease the majority. I think it's a betrayal of our community. Just remember, not so long ago if you were gay you were the one being harassed, beaten and ridiculed. That's moved on from us to transgender people but we should never forget that we know that feeling and that the people experiencing that now shouldn't be abandoned.


  • #69
    Sheeps
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,763 ✭✭✭Sheeps


    LineOfBeauty wrote: »
    Whenever these issues pop up one of my absolute least favourite things that always happens is you see members of the LGBTQ community aggressively siding against the transgender person, in my opinion in an effort to appease the majority. I think it's a betrayal of our community. Just remember, not so long ago if you were gay you were the one being harassed, beaten and ridiculed. That's moved on from us to transgender people but we should never forget that we know that feeling and that the people experiencing that now shouldn't be abandoned.

    What you seem to be describing is that you're disappointed to see LGBTQ people without a mob mentality. Refusing to accept that someone's sex is fluid (as oppose to their gender identity) is a perfectly rational and non-transphobic position to have.


  • #70
    Gynoid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,524 ✭✭✭Gynoid


    LineOfBeauty wrote: »
    Whenever these issues pop up one of my absolute least favourite things that always happens is you see members of the LGBTQ community aggressively siding against the transgender person, in my opinion in an effort to appease the majority. I think it's a betrayal of our community. Just remember, not so long ago if you were gay you were the one being harassed, beaten and ridiculed. That's moved on from us to transgender people but we should never forget that we know that feeling and that the people experiencing that now shouldn't be abandoned.

    They are not siding against trans people. They are siding against radical and deconstructionist gender theory ideology which is claiming biological sex can be changed. Against being compelled to say against reason that 2 + 2 =5. It is nothing personal at all.


  • #71
    ELM327
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,223 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    LineOfBeauty wrote: »
    Whenever these issues pop up one of my absolute least favourite things that always happens is you see members of the LGBTQ community aggressively siding against the transgender person, in my opinion in an effort to appease the majority. I think it's a betrayal of our community. Just remember, not so long ago if you were gay you were the one being harassed, beaten and ridiculed. That's moved on from us to transgender people but we should never forget that we know that feeling and that the people experiencing that now shouldn't be abandoned.
    gender identity =/= biological sex


    I'll call you whatever name you want to be called, use your preferred pronoun, etc. I have no issues with trans people. At all.


    However, you can't make your XX an XY, it's not possible. That is the issue here. Biology and reality vs twitter morons.


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  • #72
    Fr_Dougal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,166 ✭✭✭Fr_Dougal


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I raised this kind of question in the LGBT forum, but even as a member of that community, that thread was closed because it was deemed in breach.

    I feel your pain. I was carded once for asking someone if they were born a man.


  • #73
    LineOfBeauty
    Registered Users Posts: 2,211 ✭✭✭LineOfBeauty


    Gynoid wrote: »
    They are not siding against trans people. They are siding against radical and deconstructionist gender theory ideology which is claiming biological sex can be changed. Against being compelled to say against reason that 2 + 2 =5. It is nothing personal at all.

    In what way are you not siding against transgender people if you are telling them that they literally don't add up. It's nothing personal? i can't think of anything more personal, you're literally denying somebody the right to be who they are.


  • #74
    ELM327
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,223 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    LineOfBeauty wrote: »
    In what way are you not siding against transgender people if you are telling them that they literally don't add up. It's nothing personal? i can't think of anything more personal, you're literally denying somebody the right to be who they are.
    They are a woman. They are identified as a woman. They have a certificate that says they are a woman.


    Biologically, chromosomally, reproductively, they are a man.
    They do not have a Y chromosome. They do not menstruate, have ovaries, etc.


    You can whine all you like but you can't grow ovaries in a biologically male body.


  • #75
    Jakey Rolling
    Registered Users Posts: 944 ✭✭✭Jakey Rolling


    First I've heard about this - I need to have words with my publicist!

    100412.2526@compuserve.com



  • #76
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Mrcaramelchoc wrote: »
    Glad she's cancelled her books are ****e.
    Now, now. She brought the joy of reading really big books to generations of kids.


  • #77
    Winning_Stroke
    Closed Accounts Posts: 224 ✭✭Winning_Stroke


    Listen aside from that movie that RTE love to fill dead time after GAA matches with, men cannot and have never given birth. Equally a lad minus a lad is not a woman.

    I've been to mandatory "inclusivity" training while working for MNCs and yes, yes, we all nod along and smile, but in real life we all know this is bs of the highest order.


  • #78
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Deleted User wrote: »
    As a committed member of the LGBT community, I find what is happening re: gender/sex to be nothing short of appalling.

    You cannot change biological sex. There is no standard for "feeling like a woman". I am a man, and I have no idea what "feeling like a man" is, so how can biologically-born women "feel" this?

    Second, you cannot be born into stereotypes. Long hair, make-up, attraction to pink etc., are all social constructions. You cannot be born into a social construction.

    Third, biological sex is XX and XY. There are some aberrations, such as Kleinfelters, XXY etc., but these are aberrations. The claim here is that biological men or women can switch chromosomal sex. It is not possible.

    Fourth, this is the only trans- category that is taken seriously by society. For example - there are some people who are able-bodied, but believe they were "born disabled". There are some in society now arguing that we should have the State pay for these people to become disabled to meet their "mental image". This is the equivalent of saying to an anorexic person, "you are fine the way you are, it has nothing to do with mental dysphoria".

    There are many trans- men/women who are equally as appalled by what is going on, especially regarding the gender identity question.

    I, as a member of the LGBT community, get completely sidelined. When people speak to me privately about this issue, they agree with me. But they dare not say it in public.

    An extremist identity politics minority have taken over. They are vocal and dangerous and are destroying societal norms as we know them to be.

    Try telling that to Shania fcuking Twain!!!!


  • #79
    Bikerman2019
    Closed Accounts Posts: 992 ✭✭✭Bikerman2019


    Winning_Stroke wrote: »
    Listen aside from that movie that RTE love to fill dead time after GAA matches with, men cannot and have never given birth. Equally a lad minus a lad is not a woman.

    I've been to mandatory "inclusivity" training while working for MNCs and yes, yes, we all nod along and smile, but in real life we all know this is bs of the highest order.


    I could not have said it better myself. In a place " I am in ", I was giving tours to newcomers. I introduced the gender neutral toilets as being the toilets for people who cannot make their mind up and a grin. Wouldnt want to upset the bosses !


  • #80
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »
    People lobbing “Okay TERF” at her sound like utter morons though. You do not have to be a radical feminist to agree with her stance.
    If you're radical you need to keep splitting until you are the one truth. It may feel righteous but can create some issues in dealing with reality.


  • #81
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    Try telling that to Shania fcuking Twain!!!!
    OK, that was 20 years ago, let it go, let it go!


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  • #82
    Gynoid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,524 ✭✭✭Gynoid


    LineOfBeauty wrote: »
    In what way are you not siding against transgender people if you are telling them that they literally don't add up. It's nothing personal? i can't think of anything more personal, you're literally denying somebody the right to be who they are.

    They do add up in terms of gender identity and they should do as adults whatever alleviates their discomfort regarding their bodies.
    But...
    They cannot literally change biological sex. No one can. Not them. Not me. Not my cat. It is not offensive to believe in the facts. I am not being offensive to anyone. People taking offense is their own issue but I will not speak biological falsehoods.


  • #83
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    LineOfBeauty wrote: »
    In what way are you not siding against transgender people if you are telling them that they literally don't add up. It's nothing personal? i can't think of anything more personal, you're literally denying somebody the right to be who they are.

    Eh...no.

    You are saying that they aren't a different biological sex.

    You are denying them nothing.

    They can be who they want to be.


  • #84
    jimgoose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,180 ✭✭✭✭jimgoose


    GRACKEA wrote: »
    Well she should've been anyway considering a few of her dodge political opinions :^)

    She can dress up as Hermann Goering in an SS uniform with a little tutu and recite passages from Mein Kampf in a little slot just after the Angelus, and I will defend to the death her right to speak.


  • #85
    LineOfBeauty
    Registered Users Posts: 2,211 ✭✭✭LineOfBeauty


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Eh...no.

    You are saying that they aren't a different biological sex.

    You are denying them nothing.

    They can be who they want to be.

    So how far does "being who they want to be" extend to? Practically speaking, what, for you, is the cut off in terms of transgender people having the same rights as other men and women?


  • #86
    facehugger99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,390 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    People can self-identify as whatever they like - but if you're born packing a penis you're a bloke as as as I'm concerned.


  • #87
    Bigbagofcans
    Registered Users Posts: 1,164 ✭✭✭Bigbagofcans


    Someone should ask Sam Smith what they think about it.


  • #88
    piplip87
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭piplip87


    If I went into a doctor's today and stated I identify as an amputee, I wanted to get my leg chopped off I'd be sent for psychiatric help straight away, not encouraged.

    If I went to the doctor's and asked for my Willy to be chopped off because I identify as a woman I'd be applauded ?

    Be who would want to be, but remember that some peoepl may not be ok with your choice, some women do not want a man pissing in the cucable beside them ? FFS use the disabled jack's if it's that much of an inconvenience too you


  • #89
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Bigbagofcans wrote: »
    Someone should ask Sam Smith what they think about it.
    Mostly it's a good idea not to ask completely self-absorbed celebs what they think about anything!


  • #90
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    It must be really crap to be told that you are one biological sex when you really want to be the other. I'd imagine it might feel as bad as being told you have a genetic disease.

    Nevertheless, it's something that you will have to come terms with or you'll make yourself miserable. And you're the only one who can change that.


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  • #91
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    LineOfBeauty wrote: »
    So how far does "being who they want to be" extend to? Practically speaking, what, for you, is the cut off in terms of transgender people having the same rights as other men and women?

    They can be choose to live their life how they want. I draw the line where they demand that people accept their reality in spite of biological fact.

    Trangender people have the exact same rights as the people who are the same sex as themselves.

    They shouldn't have the same rights as the sex they want to be. Women and men have different.


  • #92
    LineOfBeauty
    Registered Users Posts: 2,211 ✭✭✭LineOfBeauty


    Deleted User wrote: »
    They can be choose to live their life how they want. I draw the line where they demand that people accept their reality in spite of biological fact.

    Trangender people have the exact same rights as the people who are the same sex as themselves.

    They shouldn't have the same rights as the sex they want to be. Women and men have different.

    So basically you don't accept the rights of transgender people. That's not a stretch of a statement, that's literally exactly what you are saying in that comment.


  • #93
    jimgoose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,180 ✭✭✭✭jimgoose


    LineOfBeauty wrote: »
    So basically you don't accept the rights of transgender people. That's not a stretch of a statement, that's literally exactly what you are saying in that comment.

    I don't believe a male-to-female transgender individual should have the right to wave his/her/whatever mickey around in a women's restroom. Am I wrong, in these enlightened times?


  • #94
    Winning_Stroke
    Closed Accounts Posts: 224 ✭✭Winning_Stroke


    LineOfBeauty wrote: »
    So basically you don't accept the rights of transgender people. That's not a stretch of a statement, that's literally exactly what you are saying in that comment.

    What rights?


  • #95
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    jimgoose wrote: »
    I don't believe a male-to-female transgender individual should have the right to wave his/her/whatever mickey around in a women's restroom. Am I wrong, in these enlightened times?
    WTF do you get up to in a toilet that involves waving your mickey around the place? Tbh, I don't want anyone having that right in any toilet.


  • #96
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,170 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    LineOfBeauty wrote: »
    So basically you don't accept the rights of transgender people. That's not a stretch of a statement, that's literally exactly what you are saying in that comment.
    I support the rights of anyone to be who they want to be and how they want to live their lives, right up to the moment where their rights impinge on other's rights. The obvious if extreme example is the Canadian wierdo(and that's being kind) who has a fetish for menstruation, insisting salons wax his "lady balls" and wanting to hang out in women and girl's changing rooms. GTFO.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



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  • #97
    [Deleted User]
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    LineOfBeauty wrote: »
    So basically you don't accept the rights of transgender people. That's not a stretch of a statement, that's literally exactly what you are saying in that comment.

    I don't accept that men should be able to claim to be physical women (and vice versa) and gain access to places or have the same rights that are exclusively for women.

    That is literally what I am saying.

    I have to ask you, where do YOU draw the line when it comes to accepting other peoples reality?

    If someone claims to be a different age, will you treat them as such and give them access to age specific areas?

    Or is it only transgenderism where your willingness to deny reality lies?


  • #98
    Sudden Valley
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,216 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    Is the problem that the psychiatrists are of the opinion that trans people have changed their gender once they have fully transitioned and the general public just dont subscribe to this view?


  • #99
    Calhoun
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    Wibbs wrote: »
    I support the rights of anyone to be who they want to be and how they want to live their lives, right up to the moment where their rights impinge on other's rights. The obvious if extreme example is the Canadian wierdo(and that's being kind) who has a fetish for menstruation, insisting salons wax his "lady balls" and wanting to hang out in women and girl's changing rooms. GTFO.

    Adding in to this the person in question has a fetish for young girls periods and wanted to host a topless pool party for underage kids with no parental supervision.

    It could be argued they are just an extreme taking advantage but a Canadian LGBT charity requested it before her.

    If they stir clear of kids and using their position to abuse others be all grand.


  • #100
    johnnyskeleton
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 14,535 Mod ✭✭✭✭johnnyskeleton


    The future is having unisex single occupant bathrooms ans then everyone can get along. Or like in Australia there can be male and female multi user toilets and one or two single user unisex bathrooms. Disabled toilets could be rebranded as "access" toilets and would be ideal for anyone who doesnt feel comfortable using multi user toilets


  • #101
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 51,859 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I don't accept that men should be able to claim to be physical women (and vice versa) and gain access to places or have the same rights that are exclusively for women.

    That is literally what I am saying.

    I have to ask you, where do YOU draw the line when it comes to accepting other peoples reality?

    If someone claims to be a different age, will you treat them as such and give them access to age specific areas?

    Or is it only transgenderism where your willingness to deny reality lies?


    So what do you propose?


    Take public toilets for example, are you suggesting that any man or woman (be they transgender or cisgender) could be required to prove their gender to use a toilet?


    Legally in Ireland, transgender people are recognised as the gender they identify as. To do suggest otherwise is, to use your own term, deny reality.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



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