Skeptics...what conspiracy theories could you have some faith in?

r3nu4l · 02-02-2010 1:31pm #1

Okay, I'm a skeptic. I don't believe that the Lizard people rule the world and I don't believe that the moon landings were a hoax.

I also don't believe the MMR vaccine causes autism, etc., etc.

However, I do give some credence to the idea that the wealth of the world is controlled by a few individuals. Call it the NWO or the Illuminati or the Bildenburg group, whatever you want to call it, I do believe that there is a group out there who very carefully orchestrate global finance to their own ends.

Why do I believe this? It's human nature. Everyone wants to better themselves and we all want to protect our own interests. I remember reading in the 80's that certain Wall Street brokers were employing Chinese nannies to teach their kids Chinese because they believed that China would open up to trade. Lo and behold, despite Tiannaman (sp?) square, it did.

So is there any element of any conspiracy theory that you could turn around and say 'Yeah, I don't believe all of it but that part I could go with!'.? Even a tiny part?

Just curious

robindch · 02-02-2010 2:55pm

r3nu4l wrote: »

is there any element of any conspiracy theory that you could turn around and say 'Yeah, I don't believe all of it but that part I could go with!'.? Even a tiny part?

Well, looking at this list of current and past PCT's:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_conspiracy_theories

I can't say that there's really anything there that I have time for. Most of them posit elaborate political gyrations on the part of reasonably large numbers of people, lack convincing physical evidence and all the while ignoring the much more likely possibility that, well, shit happens.

Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem.

Latterly, I've felt that a PCT says far more about the believer than the PCT itself.

r3nu4l · 02-02-2010 3:36pm

r3nu4l wrote: »

However, I do give some credence to the idea that the wealth of the world is controlled by a few individuals. Call it the NWO or the Illuminati or the Bildenburg group, whatever you want to call it, I do believe that there is a group out there who very carefully orchestrate global finance to their own ends.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying these individuals have strict control over how much any 'individual' earns but I do believe that they empower themselves for wealth and can decide the fate of individual countries on a whim and can trigger recession as and when they like. I'm not suggesting some kind of big brother control of every individual.

Wibbs · 21-03-2010 5:58pm

Id broadly agree with r3nu4l in that there would be a small enough group of people who do to some degree or other nudge things one way or the other. Ditto with certain industries. I dont think they're a cohesive group that meets in underground bunkers or anything. More as r3nu4l a human nature thing that may look more planned than it is.

Playboy · 09-05-2010 1:08pm

I dont agree that there a 'group' of people who control the worlds global economy to the extent that they shape the future of individual countries or the planet as a whole. There is no doubt however that Investment banks such as Gloldman Sachs have the ability to move large amounts of money out of the hands of governments and individuals into their own pockets or the pockets of their clients. There are of course a massive amount of variables at play in a modern globalised capitalist economy that restrict institutions such as Goldman doing this on the scale you are suggesting. But Goldman and others do have a frightening political influence in the US for example. They can throw endless amounts of money at lobbying governments and in the case of the US they can put individuals into key positions in the US Government as advisors or heads of the FDR. This allows them to put policies into play that of course benefit them and their clients. Thankfully they have been exposed to a certain extent in the US now and there is pressure to put regulation into place to combat some of the control they have and the benefits they can reap due to High Frequency Trading.

Smallbit · 13-05-2010 8:58am

Jon Ronson, the writer of the book 'Men who Stare at Goats" tackled this in his previous book 'Them: Adventures with Extremists' when he camped out near a hotel in Portugal , the supposed meeting location for the Bilderberg Group.

It made enjoyable reading, but I can't say I was convinced. As a rational skeptic I tend to go with simple human nature around the amassing of wealth.

However, it's also possible that when a group of like minded corporations see a common goal that they will attempt to collaborate. Mix this with the human ability to avoid empathy for large numbers of distant people and you have a recipe for geo-political destabilization and rampant capitalism that ignores human rights, dignity etc.

We should be open to the possibility of a Bilderberg group on the basis that many basic motives exist, but we should also subject it to very careful examination.

Spirit of time · 30-05-2010 12:24pm

http://www.nobeliefs.com/Hitler1.htm

Spirit of time · 30-05-2010 12:27pm

It's not about wealth it is about power!

These people hate you and despise you,

Why else is food crops destroyed with GM chemicals and your water supply has fluoride in it?

The people who have selected to talk about represent less than 5% of the planets population,

In other words your not part of their plans!

Your not a part of the club!

You will find this out the hard way unfortunately.....

r3nu4l wrote: »

Okay, I'm a skeptic. I don't believe that the Lizard people rule the world and I don't believe that the moon landings were a hoax.

I also don't believe the MMR vaccine causes autism, etc., etc.

However, I do give some credence to the idea that the wealth of the world is controlled by a few individuals. Call it the NWO or the Illuminati or the Bildenburg group, whatever you want to call it, I do believe that there is a group out there who very carefully orchestrate global finance to their own ends.

Why do I believe this? It's human nature. Everyone wants to better themselves and we all want to protect our own interests. I remember reading in the 80's that certain Wall Street brokers were employing Chinese nannies to teach their kids Chinese because they believed that China would open up to trade. Lo and behold, despite Tiannaman (sp?) square, it did.

So is there any element of any conspiracy theory that you could turn around and say 'Yeah, I don't believe all of it but that part I could go with!'.? Even a tiny part?

Just curious

me_right_one · 30-05-2010 2:43pm

Spirit of time wrote: »

It's not about wealth it is about power!

These people hate you and despise you,

Why else is food crops destroyed with GM chemicals and your water supply has fluoride in it?

The people who have selected to talk about represent less than 5% of the planets population,

In other words your not part of their plans!

Your not a part of the club!

You will find this out the hard way unfortunately.....

What the hell are you on about? Who despises me? I never spray MY crops with chemicals, and they are most likley the ones YOU eat:mad:

King Mob · 30-05-2010 6:37pm

Spirit of time wrote: »

It's not about wealth it is about power!

These people hate you and despise you,

Why else is food crops destroyed with GM chemicals and your water supply has fluoride in it?

The people who have selected to talk about represent less than 5% of the planets population,

In other words your not part of their plans!

Your not a part of the club!

You will find this out the hard way unfortunately.....

Yea! Ignore what scientists and media tell you, but buy into everything the "Alternative media" and uninformed nutjobs on the internet tell you!!

Your crops that you eat are destroyed by chemicals that have their genetic code altered!
Fluoride is put into water to control you mind, even thought there's no plausible mechanism to show that could happen and in many place they actually reduce the level of fluoride!!

Fight the power with poorly researched nonsense!!!!

Spirit of time · 30-05-2010 6:51pm

Is it king Mob or King Knob???

You sit back and put on Sky news

They always tell it as it is!

Why has cancer increased in last 40/50 yrs??,diabetes,obesity,autism...I could go on!

Who controls main stream media??

Hmm...same people who give you your GM foods......Can you deny this??

I admit not all altrnaive media can be relied upon for researc but for gods sake wake up,

I guess in your case ingorance is strenght!

Spirit of time · 30-05-2010 6:53pm

me_right_one wrote: »

What the hell are you on about? Who despises me? I never spray MY crops with chemicals, and they are most likley the ones YOU eat:mad:

What age are you?..Honestly??...10???

King Mob · 30-05-2010 7:26pm

Spirit of time wrote: »

Is it king Mob or King Knob???

****. My one weakness: petty childish insults.
What age are you? Ten?

Spirit of time wrote: »

You sit back and put on Sky news

I don't.

Spirit of time wrote: »

They always tell it as it is!

They don't.
Their science reporting is terrible.

Though not as crap as the nonsense you spout.

Spirit of time wrote: »

Why has cancer increased in last 40/50 yrs??,

Increased detection coupled with the fact that your chance of getting cancer increases with age, and people are living longer.

Spirit of time wrote: »

diabetes,obesity,

Increase of overeating and fattier and surgery food.
The facist bastards!!

Spirit of time wrote: »

autism...

Increased detection and broader range of accepted symptoms
.

Spirit of time wrote: »

I could go on!

I bet you can.
I bet all of it's based on the same crap you're swallowing from "alternative" media.

Spirit of time wrote: »

Who controls main stream media??

Is it lizard people?

Spirit of time wrote: »

Hmm...same people who give you your GM foods......Can you deny this??

Oh yes I can.
I deny it.
Can you show evidence otherwise.

Spirit of time wrote: »

I admit not all altrnaive media can be relied upon for researc but for gods sake wake up,

So I should wake up and accept what you say unquestioningly?

Spirit of time wrote: »

I guess in your case ingorance is strenght!

Really?
Do conspiracy theorists have their irony glands removed or do they just atrophy?

Spirit of time · 30-05-2010 9:53pm

what's is a conspiracy???..hmmm.....

I happen to work in a field which allows me access to global security/military documents.

I feel sorry for the majority of people who dismiss most theories without doing their own research or even listening to the facts.

This of course is tradition as we live in a world where the majority believe in some guy in the clouds.Yes their own minds may be in the clouds.

Anyhow I do understand where some people are coming from...

I've heard the stories...JFK,moon landing and UFOs for exmaple....

I agree there is a lot of dis info out there but to state the the mainstream media is a worthy source and do not have an andeda is quite naive to say the least.

We live in a fascist country in a fascist world and it you do not believe me next time you walk down O'Connell Street and you come to the statue of Daniel O'Connell look at the angels below...One of the angels is holding a symbol...take a look next time and remember where you live!.

Black Swan · 30-05-2010 9:58pm

r3nu4l wrote: »

However, I do give some credence to the idea that the wealth of the world is controlled by a few individuals.

C. Wright Mills called them the power elite, and claimed that 2% of the population controlled 80% of the wealth.

looksee · 30-05-2010 10:01pm

Spirit of time wrote: »

what's is a conspiracy???..hmmm.....

I happen to work in a field which allows me access to global security/military documents.

Don't do that when I have a mouthful of coffee...

Spirit of time · 30-05-2010 10:04pm

False flag operation?

have you heard of Mossad?

King Mob · 30-05-2010 11:00pm

Spirit of time wrote: »

what's is a conspiracy???..hmmm.....

Do dictionaries count as the mainstream media as well?

Spirit of time wrote: »

I happen to work in a field which allows me access to global security/military documents.

Sure you do....
I happen to work as the queen of Canada.

Spirit of time wrote: »

I feel sorry for the majority of people who dismiss most theories without doing their own research or even listening to the facts.

I have done my own research, and the nonsense you're spouting doesn't have any facts to back it up.

Spirit of time wrote: »

This of course is tradition as we live in a world where the majority believe in some guy in the clouds.Yes their own minds may be in the clouds.

Anyhow I do understand where some people are coming from...

Yea imagine somebody believing in something where there's no evidence for it....

Spirit of time wrote: »

I've heard the stories...JFK,moon landing and UFOs for exmaple....

I agree there is a lot of dis info out there but to state the the mainstream media is a worthy source and do not have an andeda is quite naive to say the least.

So if it's not true it must be put out by the government to distract people?
Bet you've tons of evidence for this...

Spirit of time wrote: »

We live in a fascist country in a fascist world and it you do not believe me next time you walk down O'Connell Street and you come to the statue of Daniel O'Connell look at the angels below...One of the angels is holding a symbol...take a look next time and remember where you live!.

So because a statue has symbolism (and probably some very silly interpretation of this symbolism) we live in a fascist state?

Wow...

Spirit of time wrote: »

False flag operation?

have you heard of Mossad?

Of course.
The Insidious Jew.....

robindch · 30-05-2010 11:08pm

Spirit of time wrote: »

We live in a fascist country

North Korea is fascist. Ireland is not.

Grow up

pH · 31-05-2010 12:01pm

Spirit of time wrote: »

I happen to work in a field which allows me access to global security/military documents.

Sounds like a very interesting field to work in! perhaps you'd tell me what's growing in this field, or do perhaps cows graze there?

Elzer · 05-06-2010 11:19pm

the population of this country may roughly be 4.6 million. out of this 400,000 people own 50 per cent of the wealth in Ireland. a small minority will always own the majority of wealth in the world......it boils down to social conditioning.......opression.......etc.......

King Mob · 06-06-2010 1:15am

Elzer wrote: »

the population of this country may roughly be 4.6 million. out of this 400,000 people own 50 per cent of the wealth in Ireland. a small minority will always own the majority of wealth in the world......it boils down to social conditioning.......opression.......etc.......

Yea!
The government should totally take their money!

Elzer · 06-06-2010 1:38am

King Mob wrote: »

Yea!
The government should totally take their money!

yes i think they should....... the 20 per cent have enough to be able to take a hit of a few euros........ thanks for your comment

Elzer · 06-06-2010 1:50am

King Mob wrote: »

Yea! Ignore what scientists and media tell you, but buy into everything the "Alternative media" and uninformed nutjobs on the internet tell you!!

Your crops that you eat are destroyed by chemicals that have their genetic code altered!
Fluoride is put into water to control you mind, even thought there's no plausible mechanism to show that could happen and in many place they actually reduce the level of fluoride!!

Fight the power with poorly researched nonsense!!!!

good point ......the government is self medicating its population and most of our food is imported from countries who dont have problems using gene doping on crops..............

King Mob · 06-06-2010 1:52am

Elzer wrote: »

yes i think they should....... the 20 per cent have enough to be able to take a hit of a few euros........ thanks for your comment

I was being sarcastic....

You're actually advocating that the government should be given the power to seize money from private citizens, simply for having money....?

King Mob · 06-06-2010 1:55am

Elzer wrote: »

good point ......the government is self medicating its population and most of our food is imported from countries who dont have problems using gene doping on crops..............

Again: Sarcasm...

PCTHUG · 14-06-2010 10:51am

Elzer wrote: »

the government is self medicating its population and most of our food is imported from countries who dont have problems using gene doping on crops..............

"Self-medication is use of a drug with therapeutic intent but without professional advice or prescription"(Source: Wikipedia) - so your saying that the government is administering drugs without medical supervision. I can see it now Cowen running up to Blessington and throwing boxes of Neurofen (TM) in... actually it couldnt really hurt his approval rating so why not

Also i assume gene doping means genetically engineered (Happy to be corrected though). I'm not sure what the issue here really is but personally i have no problem with genetic enginering of crops as long as its properly regulated and transparency is insured for the consumer.

Sorry if the above comes accross as flippant but come on absurd statements like that cant be meant seriously :P

PCTHUG · 17-06-2010 9:59am

Just to come back to the topic. I believe in a conspiracy around 9/11...I believe that a conspiracy of 15-30 pissed off muslims entered into a conspiracy to kill thousands of innocent people. Personally i think as conspiracies go thats about as big and as sinister as they get.

wonderfulname · 19-06-2010 12:04am

Vril Society Conspiracy which suggests that a secret form of energy, called "Vril", is used and controlled by a secret subterranean society of matriarchal socialist utopian superior beings.

If i had to "believe" in anything it would be this

King Mob · 19-06-2010 12:56am

wonderfulname wrote: »

If i had to "believe" in anything it would be this

Secret Evil Nazi Sciences?
Daring Do in the ancient underground cities of the Hollow Earth?
Bovril?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vril

Awesome!

jesse.j · 02-08-2010 11:43pm

Smallbit wrote: »

Jon Ronson, the writer of the book 'Men who Stare at Goats" tackled this in his previous book 'Them: Adventures with Extremists' when he camped out near a hotel in Portugal , the supposed meeting location for the Bilderberg Group.

It made enjoyable reading, but I can't say I was convinced. As a rational skeptic I tend to go with simple human nature around the amassing of wealth.

However, it's also possible that when a group of like minded corporations see a common goal that they will attempt to collaborate. Mix this with the human ability to avoid empathy for large numbers of distant people and you have a recipe for geo-political destabilization and rampant capitalism that ignores human rights, dignity etc.

We should be open to the possibility of a Bilderberg group on the basis that many basic motives exist, but we should also subject it to very careful examination.

I think that even the wealthy make decisions based not only on greed but on fear. for example the recent announcement to build a scaled down four hundred cell prison on that contraversal site: is it designed to improve conditions or generate contract oppertunities for 'friends in need' and guess who will pay? yes thats right its you, with that disposable income you have left over after NAMA.

Skeptics...what conspiracy theories could you have some faith in?

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