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JCX BXC · 06-02-2019 11:58pm

Irish Steve wrote: »

And I suspect that Dublin is the only airport in that group without a rail connection.

In fairness, Dublin's growth has been multiples of those other airports, so that's somewhat excusable.

No excuse to not expedite plans to build a railway connection to the airport now though!

sandbelter · 07-02-2019 2:51am

LXFlyer wrote: »

I assume you mean Skyteam and not Skytrax?

Touche...caught.

sandbelter · 07-02-2019 4:22am

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Most ridiculous statement ever. JV and Brexit are completely unrelated.

Hmm uncomfortable truth is more like it:

Ownership restrictions on IAG's EU and UK divisions to be resolved by Oct 31st.
A split into IAG UK and IAG EU appears unavoidable, I had though a passive shareholder such as Air Nostrum might be the solution but the EU is also assessing control so it might not as clear cut.
UK will be outside the EU Open skies.
Prior to this, US DOJ had real problems with the AA/BA JV due to lack of slots at Heathrow, (which you can familiarize yourself with here:
https://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/atr/legacy/2009/12/30/253575.pdf) which was before the BMI acquisition, open skies is not teh same as open slots though.
And now the US DOJ, courtesy of JetBlue, has the opportunity to revisit the issue and join the UK competition watchdog.

I could of could also rabbit on about what it's like to stand in a queue to clear UK immigration as a non EU passport holder.....

The point is this,

A BA/AA leg of the JV post Oct 31st is looking like an assumption as to its existence and with a uncertain time frame for its resolution. Its not clear it will cover the EU until the EU and the UK will sign a post Brexit accord any time soon.

Personally I think that DUB should turn T1 is a pre-cleared Schengen terminal and everything else into T2. Then watch the EU-CA/US connection traffic grow. But yes Brexit does put Oneworld at a disadvantage.

munchkin_utd · 07-02-2019 12:19pm

sandbelter wrote: »

Hmm uncomfortable truth is more like it:
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Personally I think that DUB should turn T1 is a pre-cleared Schengen terminal and everything else into T2. Then watch the EU-CA/US connection traffic grow. But yes Brexit does put Oneworld at a disadvantage.

thats actually a great idea but how would it work in practice?

With USA preclearance you have US agents doing the passport checking.
With Schengen preclearance who exactly does the passport checking, as you are dealing with an area with a couple of dozen nations, not just one ?

Tenger · 07-02-2019 12:20pm

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Most ridiculous statement ever. JV and Brexit are completely unrelated.

I wouldn’t class them as ‘related’ but certainly one will affect the other.
The spectre of a No Deal situation does put some pressure on IAG to get the EI entry into the joint venture sorted out. It was mooted from the IAG takeover so has been coming for a few years now.
OneWorld are also talking about their new partial member status of “OneWorld Connect”.

Stephen Strange · 07-02-2019 12:33pm

munchkin_utd wrote: »

thats actually a great idea but how would it work in practice?

With USA preclearance you have US agents doing the passport checking.
With Schengen preclearance who exactly does the passport checking, as you are dealing with an area with a couple of dozen nations, not just one ?

Schengen border code as it stands now wouldn't allow that to work. If you have a Schengen visa, you must first enter the country that issued it. ie. If you have a french Schengen visa, you must go to France first.

Edit: as per post below, this is incorrect

ongarboy · 07-02-2019 1:11pm

DAA press releases are now saying Dublin Airport has almost 200 destinations, previous releases always kept it at around 190. Really impressive that DUB is now gravitating to that psychological benchmark figure of 200!!

embraer170 · 07-02-2019 1:59pm

Stephen Strange wrote: »

Schengen border code as it stands now wouldn't allow that to work. If you have a Schengen visa, you must first enter the country that issued it. ie. If you have a french Schengen visa, you must go to France first.

I don't believe this is accurate. You should get a Schengen visa from the country where you expect to stay the longest. Your initial point of entry is not relevant.

Stephen Strange · 07-02-2019 4:11pm

embraer170 wrote: »

I don't believe this is accurate. You should get a Schengen visa from the country where you expect to stay the longest. Your initial point of entry is not relevant.

You are correct, I misspoke. Its primary destination, as in longest duration, rather than first country.

Although I think that doesn't apply for long stay visas. Either way, I think it would be too complicated for little benefit

steve-o · 07-02-2019 7:27pm

munchkin_utd wrote: »

thats actually a great idea but how would it work in practice?

It's a terrible idea. If I'm connecting to a long haul flight in Europe, the last thing I'd want to do is queue enter Schengen before I get on my flight and queue again to get out of it at the other end!

Jamie2k9 · 08-02-2019 12:00am

Tenger wrote: »

I wouldn’t class them as ‘related’ but certainly one will affect the other.
The spectre of a No Deal situation does put some pressure on IAG to get the EI entry into the joint venture sorted out. It was mooted from the IAG takeover so has been coming for a few years now.
OneWorld are also talking about their new partial member status of “OneWorld Connect”.

Pressure that's debatable. However the JV and OW were always the plan before "Brexit". Deal/No Deal or whatever will not speed up the process nor impact it.

Hmm uncomfortable truth is more like it:
Ownership restrictions on IAG's EU and UK divisions to be resolved by Oct 31st.
A split into IAG UK and IAG EU appears unavoidable, I had though a passive shareholder such as Air Nostrum might be the solution but the EU is also assessing control so it might not as clear cut.
UK will be outside the EU Open skies.
Prior to this, US DOJ had real problems with the AA/BA JV due to lack of slots at Heathrow, (which you can familiarize yourself with here:
https://www.justice.gov/sites/defaul...30/253575.pdf) which was before the BMI acquisition, open skies is not teh same as open slots though.
And now the US DOJ, courtesy of JetBlue, has the opportunity to revisit the issue and join the UK competition watchdog.

I could of could also rabbit on about what it's like to stand in a queue to clear UK immigration as a non EU passport holder.....

The point is this,
A BA/AA leg of the JV post Oct 31st is looking like an assumption as to its existence and with a uncertain time frame for its resolution. Its not clear it will cover the EU until the EU and the UK will sign a post Brexit accord any time soon.

Personally I think that DUB should turn T1 is a pre-cleared Schengen terminal and everything else into T2. Then watch the EU-CA/US connection traffic grow. But yes Brexit does put Oneworld at a disadvantage.

Still doesn't change the fact JV isn't related.

On the wider point people will still be traveling and Heathrow will ramin one of the world's largest gateways.

sandbelter · 08-02-2019 12:54am

Stephen Strange wrote: »

Schengen border code as it stands now wouldn't allow that to work

Maybe as its stands that is correct as I'm not familiar enough with Schengen to provide guidance.

But the is a precedence in the Juxtaposed control currently utilized for Eurostar between FR, NL and the UK, I think with would be worth exploring as a starting point to see if these can be applied to T1, I think Europe would be open to win-win solution. I realise the current french situation complicates this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juxtaposed_controls

I think the key issue is quarantine the legal obligation of Schengen and CTA and build infrastructure accordingly. Specifically customs may present issues, but Ireland being an island I do think it would be possible but it would be a longer term project project.

sandbelter · 08-02-2019 12:57am

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Still doesn't change the fact JV isn't related.

On the wider point people will still be traveling and Heathrow will ramin one of the world's largest gateways.

JV - I think with will come down to the definition of markets which the US DOJ adopts.

Heathrow - No doubt about it.

sandbelter · 08-02-2019 1:33am

steve-o wrote: »

It's a terrible idea. If I'm connecting to a long haul flight in Europe, the last thing I'd want to do is queue enter Schengen before I get on my flight and queue again to get out of it at the other end!

You raise a valid point, but it can be addressed. looking at at it from experience of an non EU passport holder. They get two stamps one on arrival on departure, my point is to get the one arrival stamp at T1 clearing customs and immigration in your lay over it means when you walk straight out into the EU. You would simply identify at embarkation which bags/passengers are Schengen bound or CTA bound and direct and clear accordingly. essentially cutting out the middle.

It would require logistics to enable seamlessless two way schengen zone" US preclearance. But funny enough this isn't the hard part.

The hard part would be T1 departures and identifying the non EU passport holders (UK passport holders would be the most frequent) to be directed into immigration clearance. But it's not insurmountable. I'd think you find that LH, KL, IB, TP, SK and AF would all be enthusiastic for it as it would enable Dub to be more effectuve spoke for their spokes. Suspect KL/LH would be the big winners.

So the idea is once entering the T1 there are yes there are subsequent police security checks at border to confirm identity but in a intra-schengen flight there's no immigration/customs checks (except current french controls). Same as if you connected for an EU (except France) flight in FRA, AMS or CDG.

circular flexing · 08-02-2019 4:44am

WOW announced they are not going to run KEF-YVR route afterall so DUB-KEF-YVR is off too. Route was only due to start in June.

LXFlyer · 08-02-2019 7:17am

circular flexing wrote: »

WOW announced they are not going to run KEF-YVR route afterall so DUB-KEF-YVR is off too. Route was only due to start in June.

That wasn’t ever a route from Dublin - it was a connection at Keflavik.

By that logic I assume you’re going to inform us of every potential connection that’s dropped out of Heathrow, Frankfurt, Amsterdam etc.?

Noxegon · 08-02-2019 8:03am

LXFlyer wrote: »

That wasn’t ever a route from Dublin - it was a connection at Keflavik.

For whatever reason the Irish media did in fact report every single Wow connection via Keflavik. I've never understood why.

LXFlyer · 08-02-2019 8:54am

Noxegon wrote: »

For whatever reason the Irish media did in fact report every single Wow connection via Keflavik. I've never understood why.

A very proactive PR machine and journalists swallowing the story without asking questions.

Marcusm · 08-02-2019 4:25pm

sandbelter wrote: »

You raise a valid point, but it can be addressed. looking at at it from experience of an non EU passport holder. They get two stamps one on arrival on departure, my point is to get the one arrival stamp at T1 clearing customs and immigration in your lay over it means when you walk straight out into the EU. You would simply identify at embarkation which bags/passengers are Schengen bound or CTA bound and direct and clear accordingly. essentially cutting out the middle.

It would require logistics to enable seamlessless two way schengen zone" US preclearance. But funny enough this isn't the hard part.

The hard part would be T1 departures and identifying the non EU passport holders (UK passport holders would be the most frequent) to be directed into immigration clearance. But it's not insurmountable. I'd think you find that LH, KL, IB, TP, SK and AF would all be enthusiastic for it as it would enable Dub to be more effectuve spoke for their spokes. Suspect KL/LH would be the big winners.

So the idea is once entering the T1 there are yes there are subsequent police security checks at border to confirm identity but in a intra-schengen flight there's no immigration/customs checks (except current french controls). Same as if you connected for an EU (except France) flight in FRA, AMS or CDG.

Too many routes out of Dublin have insufficient connecting capacity to make this work where there are delays or breakdowns in service. For example, say you are arriving into Dublin with a 90 minute connection onto a route with a single sector per day. Miss it and you're hanging around for a further 24 hours - who is responsible for accommodation. and F&B cots. You can guarantee that the airlines won't wear it.

In the that it was established, it could not be staffed by Inis but by a Shengen area immigration service (which doesn't exist AFAIK). Staffing issues will arise on a regular basis unless there is extreme redundancy built in vis a vis the number of Ireland based staff.

WishUWereHere · 16-02-2019 6:35pm

Not sure if this has been reported yet - apologies if it has.

https://www.check-in.dk/danmark-har-faaet-et-nyt-flyselskab/

Denmark has got a new airline
By: Ole Kirchert Christensen in Ruter February 14, 2019 Last updated: February 14, 2019 at. 13:34 Print Print

Great Dane Airlines is the name of a new airline that will offer charter and scheduled flights with Embraer E195 aircraft. Opens three regional routes from Aalborg Airport.

North Jutland travelers have long wanted a number of direct flights, and this wish is now met by Great Dane Airlines, a newly established airline based at Aalborg Airport.

Today, the company holds a press conference at Aalborg Airport, where the founders Thomas Hugo Møller and Duc Huy Ngyuen have presented a start-up on June 14 with charter flights for Bravo Tours. Here you have to fly from Aalborg, Billund and Copenhagen to Mallorca, Rhodes, Crete and Varna on Bulgaria's Black Sea coast.

The charter flights are supplemented with their own routes from Aalborg to Edinburgh, Dublin and Nice, and on these routes, among others, Aller-owned Nilles Rejser bought a number of seats, so the airline has a solid base in the economy before the aircraft goes on its wings.

“We have identified a sub-capacity in the Northern European market for charter flights and regional scheduled flights with 100 to 120-person jets. This gave the idea to start an airline with strong North Jutland roots, ”says Thomas Hugo Møller, who becomes CEO of the new airline.

Two Embraer aircraft
Great Dane Airlines currently has an application with the Danish Transport, Construction and Housing Agency in relation to acquiring an operating license (Air Operator Certificate), which is the prerequisite for being able to operate commercial aviation.

The company has leased two Embraer ERJ-195AR jets with space for 118 passengers and a range of 4,260 kilometers, which is 450 kilometers further than from Aalborg to Gran Canaria.

Ticket prices start at 499 kroner for a one-way ticket from Aalborg to Nice, while the cheapest ticket to Dublin and Edinburgh will be 599 kroner. In addition, luggage and seat options are added if traveling on a Light ticket type, while Full Flex includes luggage.

The ticket sales start on March 5 at the company's website, and the airline's products will also be offered through the GDS company Amadeus and other sales channels.

Great Dane Airlines has got a sales office at Aalborg Airport, and on the first floor a control center is set up for operation of the aircraft.

L1011 · 16-02-2019 6:53pm

Can't see it lasting - beyond the fact that Dublin - Billund doesn't work with FR bases each end and tourism traffic to BLL; these obscure route startups just never work. BLL is not that far and serves the same markets really

Nijmegen · 16-02-2019 10:29pm

L1011 wrote: »

Can't see it lasting - beyond the fact that Dublin - Billund doesn't work with FR bases each end and tourism traffic to BLL; these obscure route startups just never work. BLL is not that far and serves the same markets really

Good name but yeah, beyond that I’d be sceptical. It just isn’t the right market for micro players today.

Idbatterim · 19-02-2019 7:20pm

https://www.dublinairport.com/latest-news/detail/record-january-at-dublin-airport

5% January increase. 14% up to North America

Nijmegen · 19-02-2019 8:31pm

Idbatterim wrote: »

https://www.dublinairport.com/latest-news/detail/record-january-at-dublin-airport

5% January increase. 14% up to North America

And a 22% increase on connecting passengers. The strategy is working for all concerned.

marno21 · 19-02-2019 8:55pm

North America up 14% and that's before the launches of MSP, YUL, DFW, YYC and YHM. Impressive stuff

Idbatterim · 19-02-2019 9:06pm

Looking forward to seeing how dallas does. Calgary a good option too. The other routes I’m very “meh” about !

Noxegon · 19-02-2019 10:09pm

I really hope Dallas goes year round.

lafors · 20-02-2019 3:44pm

Anyone here know when Aer Lingus are starting the direct route to Las Vegas?

Idbatterim · 20-02-2019 3:48pm

Nobody knows when they will launch a route to the gambling , entertainment and conference capital of the world. I do know that I’m not bothered going back again until they launch a direct route. Was meant to go this year, I love the place. But I have had enough of bull**** connections, near missed flights , the stress. Adding hours to the trip. Because they are happier to simply route you via London or Manchester, even if it means losing a few to virgin Atlantic or perhaps Thomas Cooke! A twice or three times weekly service on an a330 from Dublin must be deemed too high risk for them ,lol! Meanwhile they launch routes ,to Mickey Mouse east coast destinations, that certainly I and none of my mates have ever been to or will ever go!

L1011 · 20-02-2019 3:49pm

lafors wrote: »

Anyone here know when Aer Lingus are starting the direct route to Las Vegas?

One has not been announced, so currently never.

Idbatterim · 20-02-2019 3:53pm

I’d say the Dallas route will perform really well for aa. That’s what happens when you just sit on the fence!

No direct flight from cork to Dublin meaning Dublin loses those passengers to London or Manchester airports. Should have been a condition of the sale of aer Lingus to iag, that the route be reinstated, with certain terms!

Jamie2k9 · 20-02-2019 3:56pm

Idbatterim wrote: »

I’d say the Dallas route will perform really well for aa. That’s what happens when you just sit on the fence!

Or avoids reckless expansion like Norwegian losing millions...

Idbatterim · 20-02-2019 3:58pm

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Or avoids reckless expansion like Norwegian losing millions...

Norwegian and aer Lingus are extremes!

lafors · 20-02-2019 4:08pm

Idbatterim wrote: »

Nobody knows when they will launch a route to the gambling , entertainment and conference capital of the world. I do know that I’m not bothered going back again until they launch a direct route. Was meant to go this year, I love the place. But I have had enough of bull**** connections, near missed flights , the stress. Adding hours to the trip. Because they are happier to simply route you via London or Manchester, even if it means losing a few to virgin Atlantic or perhaps Thomas Cooke! A twice or three times weekly service on an a330 from Dublin must be deemed too high risk for them ,lol! Meanwhile they launch routes ,to Mickey Mouse east coast destinations, that certainly I and none of my mates have ever been to or will ever go!

Well I've heard they've signed deals with service providers over there, pretty sure it's not BS, just hoping it will be before the summer.....for selfish reasons

Just thought ye folk might know, guess I'll keep my fingers crossed

cson · 20-02-2019 4:10pm

Air Coach nixes the need for a ORK-DUB shuttle I think, EI are probably getting the loads they need without having to feed in ORK pax.

All well and good saying you'll use Vegas but consider the following;

- What O&D traffic will there be ex LAS? The place is a destination, do you think service industry workers based there will holiday in Ireland?

- What level of J class loads will there be? I'll grant you that it is a conference hotspot, however its very US centric and I can't see too many J class transiting ex DUB to it. Maybe if they fed in from London, but London has a direct anyway so why bother?

- The other 'Mickey Mouse' east coast destinations aren't geared to you or your mates, they're geared towards the substantial Irish diaspora that will support O&D on those routes.

Vegas is too low yielding and high aircraft utilization to bother with.

Idbatterim · 20-02-2019 4:11pm

Not a chance , they would announce it many months in advance!

Jamie2k9 · 20-02-2019 4:14pm

Idbatterim wrote: »

Norwegian and aer Lingus are extremes!

True and while EI are cautious launching DFW would be loss making because there is no transit in DFW (yet) and there hub in DUB couldn’t deliver significant transit volunes because of the distance of DUB-DFW and schedules.

Its good that AA are on the route. Would also be positive to see UA/DL link up other cities before EI do.

Idbatterim · 20-02-2019 4:15pm

cson wrote: »

Air Coach nixes the need for a ORK-DUB shuttle I think, EI are probably getting the loads they need without having to feed in ORK pax.

All well and good saying you'll use Vegas but consider the following;

- What O&D traffic will there be ex LAS? The place is a destination, do you think service industry workers based there will holiday in Ireland?

- What level of J class loads will there be? I'll grant you that it is a conference hotspot, however its very US centric and I can't see too many J class transiting ex DUB to it. Maybe if they fed in from London, but London has a direct anyway so why bother?

- The other 'Mickey Mouse' east coast destinations aren't geared to you or your mates, they're geared towards the substantial Irish diaspora that will support O&D on those routes.

Vegas is too low yielding and high aircraft utilization to bother with.

Why do they fly there from a lot of other European destinations then. Including some airports a lot smaller than Dublin ? And not on the west coast of Europe? They will launch the route, but no doubt its 1-3 years away. You can eat humble pie when they do. Likewise if they don’t ,you’re welcome to bring up this post!

California Dreamer · 20-02-2019 4:16pm

Idbatterim wrote: »

I love the place. But I have had enough of bull**** connections, near missed flights , the stress. Adding hours to the trip.

+1

Going via LGW/MAN is fine on the outbound as you get in mid afternoon but coming back and sitting in those airports is just painful.

I took the ET flight a couple of time and got the 45 min flight to LAS but thats gone too.

cson · 20-02-2019 4:31pm

Idbatterim wrote: »

Why do they fly there from a lot of other European destinations then. Including some airports a lot smaller than Dublin ? And not on the west coast of Europe? They will launch the route, but no doubt its 1-3 years away. You can eat humble pie when they do. Likewise if they don’t ,you’re welcome to bring up this post!

Current European directs to McCarran;

BA ex LHR
Condor ex FRA
Cook ex MAN
Virgin ex LGW

Seasonals
Eurowings ex DUS
Virgin ex MAN
Norwegian ex LGW

That's 7 services, 3 of them seasonal, all from Cities much bigger than Dublin. But hey, lets not let facts get in the way of a good Aer Lingus should do Vegas direct argument.

They could maybe do charter for McGregor fights, but that's about it.

john boye · 20-02-2019 4:37pm

Idbatterim wrote: »

No direct flight from cork to Dublin meaning Dublin loses those passengers to London or Manchester airports. Should have been a condition of the sale of aer Lingus to iag, that the route be reinstated, with certain terms!

So they should be forced (by the government, presumably?) to operate a route that no airline sees as economically viable? Should they bring back the Shannon stopover too while they're at it?

Idbatterim · 20-02-2019 4:40pm

California Dreamer wrote: »

+1

Going via LGW/MAN is fine on the outbound as you get in mid afternoon but coming back and sitting in those airports is just painful.

I took the ET flight a couple of time and got the 45 min flight to LAS but thats gone too.

Even getting out is a joke , the usual farce of sitting on the ground in Dublin for nearly an hour after pushback. Gatwick airport is most delayed in the uk. I’ve had endless issues and stress with the connecting. Coming back as you say, you’ll no doubt arrive in early. Then I’d an hour wait in security in Manchester, a farce.

A lot of people go there for 4/5 nights. T

Certainly won’t go via uk again. At this stage I’ll wait to I can go direct or not go at all.

mx5ire · 20-02-2019 4:49pm

Why are people going to Vegas via the UK ? That means no pre-clearance either, which is a complete pain. My wife regularly uses Dub-SFO and a simple well timed connection to LAS, usually United. Same on the return. LAX is also a very good option. She did only a couple of weeks ago, simple with no hassle, SFO is an easy airport to transfer in as well.

Idbatterim · 20-02-2019 4:55pm

I think it was the aer Lingus chief executive that said they planned to launch one new us route a year on average over the next few years. They are going to get a lot more aircraft. So do the maths yourselves...

As for the pre clearance. I don’t rate it, I’ve been off the plane in McCarran before and out the door in sub fifteen minutes. Just get ahead of the rest of the passengers if you can and hope another few flights haven’t landed at same time.

Idbatterim · 20-02-2019 4:59pm

cson wrote: »

Current European directs to McCarran;

BA ex LHR
Condor ex FRA
Cook ex MAN
Virgin ex LGW

Seasonals
Eurowings ex DUS
Virgin ex MAN
Norwegian ex LGW

That's 7 services, 3 of them seasonal, all from Cities much bigger than Dublin. But hey, lets not let facts get in the way of a good Aer Lingus should do Vegas direct argument.

They could maybe do charter for McGregor fights, but that's about it.

. Dusseldorf a city much bigger than Dublin? You can effectively count Northern Ireland and a whole swathe of the country into Dublin’s population as far as airport use is concerned. I believe Dublin is the fifth or sixth busiest airport to us in Europe. Also aer Lingus did mention a potential seasonal flight to Vegas some time ago ...

munchkin_utd · 20-02-2019 5:00pm

cson wrote: »

That's 7 services, 3 of them seasonal, all from Cities much bigger than Dublin. But hey, lets not let facts get in the way of a good Aer Lingus should do Vegas direct argument.

They could maybe do charter for McGregor fights, but that's about it.

Sure take Dusseldorf for example which is in the middle of north rhine westphalia which has a population of about 18million in a space smaller than Holland AND Holland is beside it too with very good road links adding maybe another 10 million to the catchment area.
Sure Brussels is only a 2 hour drive from DUS, so add in another 10 million to the catchment if you include Belgium in your calculations.

Thats 38 million or so people a comfortable drive from Dusseldorf airport, so yea, a slight bit higher than Dublin.

Idbatterim · 20-02-2019 5:12pm

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/travel/flights/todayinthesky/2016/11/17/too-hot-fly-norwegian-air-suspends-summer-las-vegas-flights/94025902/

Norwegian hadflights from Stockholm Copenhagen and bloody Oslo to Vegas that were performing well according to them!

JCX BXC · 20-02-2019 5:22pm

Idbatterim wrote: »

. Dusseldorf a city much bigger than Dublin? You can effectively count Northern Ireland and a whole swathe of the country into Dublin’s population as far as airport use is concerned. I believe Dublin is the fifth or sixth busiest airport to us in Europe. Also aer Lingus did mention a potential seasonal flight to Vegas some time ago ...

As above, the Rhine-Rhur region has a very high population density, population is over 10 million, and Düsseldorf's catchment reaches for several tens of millions people. That region generates hundreds of billions of GMP every year. Don't underestimate that region!

JCX BXC · 20-02-2019 5:23pm

Idbatterim wrote: »

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/travel/flights/todayinthesky/2016/11/17/too-hot-fly-norwegian-air-suspends-summer-las-vegas-flights/94025902/

Norwegian hadflights from Stockholm Copenhagen and bloody Oslo to Vegas that were performing well according to them!

The vital word being had.

IngazZagni · 20-02-2019 5:53pm

Idbatterim wrote: »

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/travel/flights/todayinthesky/2016/11/17/too-hot-fly-norwegian-air-suspends-summer-las-vegas-flights/94025902/

Norwegian hadflights from Stockholm Copenhagen and bloody Oslo to Vegas that were performing well according to them!

Airlines will almost never admit that one of their routes performed badly. They'll think of all sorts of excuses under the sun other than our airline couldn't make it profitable. Just look at Norwegians finances.

I'm quite amused at some of the comments in here. There are well paid people in airlines whose main job is to assess things like this. There are a lot of factors that play in. Vegas is a long flight resulting in a higher cost per seat plus aircraft utilisation. Is it viable year round? What's the cargo potential on this route? What o&d options are available here? What's the market like for Americans coming the other way and connecting or stopping at DUB etc etc.

"But me and my mates would use a direct flight". Maybe so but I would guess it's quite a price sensitive destination and if another carrier is offering a connecting flight for 50 quid cheaper many would do that instead. Just my 2 cents..

However if an airline does decide to start it then brilliant, I'd be delighted too.

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