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10-02-2019, 09:10   #16
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I'm beginning to **** myself. We've a tenant, he asked would we accept HAP as he's now entitled to it. We said OK not knowing we can get landed with a list a mile long of "improvements"

Apartment is in great condition, maintained annually and tenant never wants for anything repair wise or anything.

I'm seriously worried as we don't have the cash for all of this

What happens if you don't do the repairs. Is it as simple as not being eligible for HAP?
If it's a newish and well looked after apartment. You should be fine. At most they will want a fire blanket or something small like that.
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I'm beginning to **** myself. We've a tenant, he asked would we accept HAP as he's now entitled to it. We said OK not knowing we can get landed with a list a mile long of "improvements"

Apartment is in great condition, maintained annually and tenant never wants for anything repair wise or anything.

I'm seriously worried as we don't have the cash for all of this

What happens if you don't do the repairs. Is it as simple as not being eligible for HAP?
I think I remember seeing something on my letter saying if the repairs were not carried out that the property would be blacklisted as unfit for renting or something along those lines. Try and keep getting the rent off him while the application goes through. They don’t pay arrears and will even use the deposit held by you as part of the rent due. In my case the tenant ended up €1100 in arrears with no deposit. And HAP couldn’t give a fcuk.
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Ventilation requirements are important, have real legal implications if not met, and identical for HAP and non HAP tenants alike.

Ignore ventilation requirements at your peril.

You're on written notice from the Council.
If your tenant lights a fire and the chimney is not venting right, there's a real chance of carbon monoxide issues.
Put a CO detector in that room too.
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Ventilation requirements are important, have real legal implications if not met, and identical for HAP and non HAP tenants alike.

Ignore ventilation requirements at your peril.

You're on written notice from the Council.
If your tenant lights a fire and the chimney is not venting right, there's a real chance of carbon monoxide issues.
Put a CO detector in that room too.
The kitchen ventilation requirements for local authority tenants or housing are greater than those required by private tenants. Is it that HAP tenants are more likely to poison themselves with the smell of their own cooking. It doesn't relate to carbon monoxide in this instance.
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I think I remember seeing something on my letter saying if the repairs were not carried out that the property would be blacklisted as unfit for renting or something along those lines. Try and keep getting the rent off him while the application goes through. They don’t pay arrears and will even use the deposit held by you as part of the rent due. In my case the tenant ended up €1100 in arrears with no deposit. And HAP couldn’t give a fcuk.
Since it's illegal to discriminate against HAP, but HAP insist on applying building regulations not required for a property. Could a landlord ask for a HAP inspection before getting tenants to see how much it will cost to bring it up to HAP standard? They could then decide if they want to get blacklisted or not before they have tenants and could legally refuse HAP.
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Since it's illegal to discriminate against HAP, but HAP insist on applying building regulations not required for a property. Could a landlord ask for a HAP inspection before getting tenants to see how much it will cost to bring it up to HAP standard? They could then decide if they want to get blacklisted or not before they have tenants and could legally refuse HAP.
Not sure but I doubt it. Sure you need a tax clearance cert as well. If you haven’t got one I don’t think they allow you to use that as an excuse either. ie the tenant stays but you don’t get paid until you produce the cert.
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If it's a newish and well looked after apartment. You should be fine. At most they will want a fire blanket or something small like that.
We supplied a fire extinguisher maybe I need to get a fire blanket too then
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I think I remember seeing something on my letter saying if the repairs were not carried out that the property would be blacklisted as unfit for renting or something along those lines. Try and keep getting the rent off him while the application goes through. They don’t pay arrears and will even use the deposit held by you as part of the rent due. In my case the tenant ended up €1100 in arrears with no deposit. And HAP couldn’t give a fcuk.
He's a great tenant (hence the reason we didn't want to lose him) he actually over paid in that he paid for the month Hap paid so we'd to refund him.

I've no worries on that front. At least not at the moment
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The kitchen ventilation requirements for local authority tenants or housing are greater than those required by private tenants. Is it that HAP tenants are more likely to poison themselves with the smell of their own cooking. It doesn't relate to carbon monoxide in this instance.
ventilation requirements are set out in Part F of the building regulations.
Ventilation is required to keep the building fresh, free from mould and to provide a clean air environment for the dwellings inhabitants.

CO is a totally different issue and ventilation some doesn’t aid in this area, hence the requirement for CO alarm in certain areas.
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ventilation requirements are set out in Part F of the building regulations.
Ventilation is required to keep the building fresh, free from mould and to provide a clean air environment for the dwellings inhabitants.

CO is a totally different issue and ventilation some doesn’t aid in this area, hence the requirement for CO alarm in certain areas.
My apartment meets the building regs. The minimum standards for renting differ between private and HAP tenants.
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We supplied a fire extinguisher maybe I need to get a fire blanket too then
Fire extinguisher is not needed, fire blanket is required by current regs for renting.
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My apartment meets the building regs. The minimum standards for renting differ between private and HAP tenants.
With regards to ventilation there is no difference.

Minimum landlord obligations detailed here:

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en...ds.html#l629ff
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Not sure but I doubt it. Sure you need a tax clearance cert as well. If you haven’t got one I don’t think they allow you to use that as an excuse either. ie the tenant stays but you don’t get paid until you produce the cert.
Once the tenant, or council, does not pay the rent you can start eviction proceedings. Granted that you will be a while evicting them but you would then be blacklisted by HAP so couldn't except another HAP tenant.

Similarly since it appears that no building over 5 years old meets HAP requirements and the government cannot force someone to meet higher standards than applied at the time of construction. Could the landlord state that the building does not meet HAP requirements and will not be brought up to their standard. I live in an apartment so if I was to ever rent it out I can't make alterations, as I don't own the walls, so I couldn't make it HAP compliment so why waste everyone's time.
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What are these special HAP rules? These are just the standards for renter dwellings surely?
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Fire extinguisher is not needed, fire blanket is required by current regs for renting.
Cheers I'll invest in one
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