Digital ID's for everyone

eleventh · 02-04-2020 11:16am

Kehlani Massive Magnum wrote:

I.e. An ID(digital) established at time of birth, that remains 'persistant' (not removable or deniable as a unique secure identifier),
at any time during a persons lifecycle, that remains in place, right up until time of death.

That's the end goal, but there will be hiccups along the way. Nothing can be truly permanent/persistant in the way they are framing it.
Hardware/software degrades with time. Even if hardware is designed not to, people will have allergic reactions etc requiring it to be removed/replaced.
Software will have updates - especially in the early stages (Imagine Gates/MS being involved. What would be the equivalent blue screen of death etc).

eleventh · 02-04-2020 11:23am

Kehlani Massive Magnum wrote:

By 2030 every single person on the planet, must also have a strong and digital method of unique ID, like it or not, that is the future.

Many will refuse it I think. A significant minority (some of which may accept at first then change their mind).

Lonesomerhodes · 02-04-2020 11:47am

Notice incredible push to go cashless these days?.

WHO says money could carry corona
Shops only taking contactless
Contactless pay amount going up
Ikea refusing cash etc etc

On the back of all this fear porn people will sign up digital ids or microchipping in a heartbeat.

Total control.

Every transaction monitored; everyones location known; every transaction taxed; much harder to buy things second hand; much harder to selk things secind hand; fines penalties removed automatically from peoples accounts without any contest but most importantly

Whats to stop the people running this con turning off ids or restricting them to only very very limited locations or items?.
If you are seen as trouble naughty boy they could easily just deactivate your id and no means of purchase whatsoever.

Could easily happen.

Fear has people afraid to leave their homes they will accept any draconian measure to get back to "normal".

Least with cash its universally accepted and just paper cant me made null and void so to speak.

EyesClosed · 02-04-2020 11:56am

Lonesomerhodes wrote: »

Notice incredible push to go cashless these days?.

WHO says money could carry corona
Shops only taking contactless
Contactless pay amount going up
Ikea refusing cash etc etc

On the back of all this fear porn people will sign up digital ids or microchipping in a heartbeat.

Total control.

Every transaction monitored; everyones location known; every transaction taxed; much harder to buy things second hand; much harder to selk things secind hand; fines penalties removed automatically from peoples accounts without any contest but most importantly

Whats to stop the people running this con turning off ids or restricting them to only very very limited locations or items?.
If you are seen as trouble naughty boy they could easily just deactivate your id and no means of purchase whatsoever.

Could easily happen.

Fear has people afraid to leave their homes they will accept any draconian measure to get back to "normal".

Least with cash its universally accepted and just paper cant me made null and void so to speak.

I don't undertand this worry. Your bank account is just numbers on a screen, the bank doesnt hold everyones cash. So unless you don't have a bank account and live in a cash only world, then this is already a problem for you.

Also how has it stopped people buying and selling second hand??? That's just nonsense, if anything online transactions have increased people buying and selling second hand.

Also cash doesnt actually mean anything anymore, it is all connected to the money on the screen you are afraid of, it has been like that YEARS now, and still the world hasnt turned into a military policed 1984 state you seem to want so badly.

Dohnjoe · 02-04-2020 11:58am

Lonesomerhodes wrote: »

Notice incredible push to go cashless these days?.

WHO says money could carry corona
Shops only taking contactless
Contactless pay amount going up
Ikea refusing cash etc etc

On the back of all this fear porn people will sign up digital ids or microchipping in a heartbeat.

Total control.

Every transaction monitored; everyones location known; every transaction taxed; much harder to buy things second hand; much harder to selk things secind hand; fines penalties removed automatically from peoples accounts without any contest but most importantly

Whats to stop the people running this con turning off ids or restricting them to only very very limited locations or items?.
If you are seen as trouble naughty boy they could easily just deactivate your id and no means of purchase whatsoever.

Could easily happen.

Fear has people afraid to leave their homes they will accept any draconian measure to get back to "normal".

Least with cash its universally accepted and just paper cant me made null and void so to speak.

Digital payments are typically easier and more convenient. You can buy online with the tap of a button or pay at the till in seconds with your card or phone. It's a natural progression, they reckon e.g. only 10% of all payments will be made with physical cash in the UK in just a few years.

And yes with the current pandemic, physical cash is not being accepted by certain shops for obvious reasons

Also, it's far easier to commit fraud, illicit activity, laundering, etc with physical cash than it is with digital cash (where there is some trace), which is why in most financial institutions it's a requirement that monitor and keep records of their transactions and vet their clients, if they fail to do so properly, and their clients conduct illegal activity, the bank itself can (and will) be fined and/or lose it's license

eleventh · 02-04-2020 1:01pm

Lonsomerhodes wrote:

Notice incredible push to go cashless these days?.
...
Shops only taking contactless
Contactless pay amount going up
Ikea refusing cash etc etc

I'd have no issue with this per se. The problem would be if cash stops being accepted altogether. As you say, deals between people such as second hand goods, cash is needed can be more convenient.
This option should stay and while large/multinationals etc may phase it out for their own reasons, it should still be allowed circulate and cash lodgements etc continue.

If not, we will see small business and communities destroyed (moreso than already).

Unfortunately I do see cashless as almost inevitable the way it's going. It's more about how long can we delay it (and hope the tide will turn).

crossmolinalad · 02-04-2020 1:06pm

eleventh wrote: »

I'd have no issue with this per se. The problem would be if cash stops being accepted altogether. As you say, deals between people such as second hand goods, cash is needed.
This option should stay and while large/multinationals etc may phase it out for their own reasons, it should still be allowed circulate and cash lodgements etc continue.

If not, we will see small business and communities destroyed (moreso than already).

Unfortunately I do see cashless as almost inevitable the way it's going. It's more about how long can we delay it (and hope the tide will turn).

No there is an app you can pay money between people
Seen it already in use in Holland called Tikkie
So no cash needed to pay others

eleventh · 02-04-2020 1:20pm

I edited the post to address that.
The point being that cash should remain as an option. Not everyone wants to deal electronically or not all the time.

Lord Fairlord · 02-04-2020 1:42pm

EyesClosed wrote: »

Also cash doesnt actually mean anything anymore, it is all connected to the money on the screen you are afraid of, it has been like that YEARS now, and still the world hasnt turned into a military policed 1984 state you seem to want so badly.

Eh, the government now claims to have the authority to decide whether someone can leave their home or not (which is invalid law ab initio). "But there is a virus out there" I can imagine many would reply. There is almost always a "good" reason given for dictatorship. I hear reports of people reporting on their neighbours during this Covid scare - scarily reminiscent in one way of what happened in East Germany.
We're somewhere between 1984 and A Brave New World as a world but most people don't even realise it or care.

Dohnjoe · 02-04-2020 2:11pm

Lord Fairlord wrote: »

Eh, the government now claims to have the authority to decide whether someone can leave their home or not (which is invalid law ab initio). "But there is a virus out there" I can imagine many would reply.

There is a highly contagious virus out there. That is why these measures have been undertaken. It has to be enforced because unfortunately people flout it.

I hear reports of people reporting on their neighbours during this Covid scare - scarily reminiscent in one way of what happened in East Germany.

Good. They should be reported on within reason. People are not meant to be having large social gatherings, because it is putting people's lives at risk.

As we've seen there are utter morons who will have large parties or gatherings during a pandemic when a specific lock-down is in place

Dohnjoe · 02-04-2020 2:13pm

eleventh wrote: »

I edited the post to address that.
The point being that cash should remain as an option. Not everyone wants to deal electronically or not all the time.

Physical cash is an option and will likely be kept as an option for a long time to come

That's completely removed from the fact there is a highly contagious pandemic right now and cash/coins are seen as a key spreader of the disease

I wash my hands after using any chip and pin, and have seen shops disinfecting them after use, but cash/coins are much tricker

eleventh · 02-04-2020 3:25pm

^ You are wanting to discuss current affairs.
My post is "completely removed", as you put it, from current affairs.
There is a current affairs thread and even a forum dedicated to corona where your thoughts on benefits of hand washing etc might be relevant.

Dohnjoe · 02-04-2020 3:45pm

eleventh wrote: »

^ You are wanting to discuss current affairs.
My post is "completely removed", as you put it, from current affairs.
There is a current affairs thread and even a forum dedicated to corona where your thoughts on benefits of hand washing etc might be relevant.

I am addressing your point directly. Physical cash is an option. It's just that there are some limitations at the moment for obvious reasons

Unless there's something happening here we aren't aware of?

4068ac1elhodqr · 02-04-2020 4:16pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Physical cash is an option and will likely be kept as an option for a long time to come

This is incorrect (within the EU).

You only have to look at Sweden (yes, the land where thousands choose to have RFID injected under their hands), many cafes refuse outright to accept cash. The simply don't provide this option.
More than half of their 1600 banks, refuse to accept cash deposits, or offer cash withdrawls. Cash is simply a not an option in many instances.

They are 2nd in the world only to Canada for cashless transactions, cash is down about 27% in the last 4/5yrs.

Like the crazy Swedes, the Aussies also like to run wayward social experiements. On such was that welfare recipients were paid using a card only, and could spend this as card only (no ATM withdrawls allowed).
They were also restricted on where the card could be used, it wouldn't work in any bookies nor in any of their bottle shops. Basically told what they can and can't spend their money on.

ohnonotgmail · 02-04-2020 4:18pm

Kehlani Massive Magnum wrote: »

This is incorrect (within the EU).

You only have to look at Sweden (yes, the land where thousands choose to have RFID injected under their hands), many cafes refuse outright to accept cash. The simply don't provide this option.
More than half of their 1600 banks, refuse to accept cash deposits, or offer cash withdrawls. Cash is simply a not an option in many instances.

They are 2nd in the world only to Canada for cashless transactions, cash is down about 27% in the last 4/5yrs.

Like the crazy Swedes, the Aussies also like to run wayward social experiements. On such was that welfare recipients were paid using a card only, and could spend this as card only (no ATM withdrawls allowed).
They were also restricted on where the card could be used, it wouldn't work in any bookies nor in any of their bottle shops. Basically told what they can and can't spend their money on.

so they same as what are called food stamps in the states.

Dohnjoe · 02-04-2020 4:32pm

Kehlani Massive Magnum wrote: »

This is incorrect (within the EU).

Nah, what I wrote isn't incorrect.

""Physical cash is an option and will likely be kept as an option for a long time to come"

Physical cash is an option, I'm not aware of any country which is digital only. If you know of any, let us know. Of course physical cash use and acceptance is decreasing, as I've mentioned. Have to be careful with my wording with these contrarian word lawyers around

As for it being kept as an option for a long time, that's what I've read. It's not like they have cut off dates yet.

4068ac1elhodqr · 02-04-2020 4:32pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

so the same as what are called food stamps in the states.

Somewhat, basically being told what or when you can spend money on. There is an element of freedom of choice with cash, with fully traced and restricted card-only funds you could end up in hot water easily enough.

4068ac1elhodqr · 02-04-2020 4:37pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Nah, what I wrote isn't incorrect.
""Physical cash is an option and will likely be kept as an option for a long time to come" Physical cash is an option

Nah, problem is it simply isn't an option, in many cases, in some EU states.

Half the banks in Sweden won't accept nor offer it, hence if you walk into the wrong bank (50:50), you have 'null options' in regards to cash.
Physical cash is NOT an option in this situation.

Or if you walk into one of the many cashless cafes in Stockholm, it is also not an option available to pay for goods.
Physical cash is NOT an option in this situation.

So you claim that is always an option e.g. in an EU state is: a plain lie.

You can however pay with a swipe of your right hand, where an RFID chip is implanted by thousands there. This is greatly encouraged.

ohnonotgmail · 02-04-2020 4:39pm

Kehlani Massive Magnum wrote: »

Somewhat, basically being told what or when you can spend money on. There is an element of freedom of choice with cash, with fully traced and restricted card-only funds you could end up in hot water easily enough.

with cash you can end up in even hotter water with mummy or daddy pissing their social welfare money up against a wall or putting it on a three legged donkey.

ohnonotgmail · 02-04-2020 4:40pm

Kehlani Massive Magnum wrote: »

Nah, problem is it simply isn't an option, in many cases, in some EU states.

Half the banks in Sweden won't accept nor offer it, hence if you walk into the wrong bank (50:50), you have 'null options' in regards to cash.
Physical cash is NOT an option in this situation.

Or if you walk into one of the many cashless cafes in Stockholm, it is also not an option available to pay for goods.
Physical cash is NOT an option in this situation.

So you claim that is always an option e.g. in an EU state is: a plain lie.

You can however pay with a swipe of your right hand, where an RFID chip is implanted by thousands there. This is greatly encouraged.

in what eu states is this not an option?

Dohnjoe · 02-04-2020 4:41pm

Kehlani Massive Magnum wrote: »

Nah, problem is it simply isn't an option, in many cases, in some EU states.

? It isn't an option, can you name the countries where you can't use physical cash anymore?

4068ac1elhodqr · 02-04-2020 4:46pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

in what eu states is this not an option?

In Sweden, more than half the country’s 1,600 bank branches now don’t accept deposits or allow withdrawals.

So for the majority of the time, or the majority of banks you walk into, your cash is as good, not an option, as as good as worthless to them.

Many Cafes there are also going this way, there is no legal enforcement that states they must take cash, they just put a sign in the front door/window. You are free to swipe your RFID implanted hand however in many of these cafes.

Welcome to 2020 everyone!

Dohnjoe · 02-04-2020 4:51pm

Kehlani Massive Magnum wrote: »

So for the majority of the time, or the majority of banks you walk into, your cash is as good, not an option, as as good as worthless to them.

Ah so if someone said physical cash is an option in Sweden, they'd be correct. I mean you can still use physical cash in Sweden correct? just less so that before. Like pretty much everywhere.

02-04-2020 4:57pm

Kehlani Massive Magnum wrote: »

In Sweden, more than half the country’s 1,600 bank branches now don’t accept deposits or allow withdrawals.

So for the majority of the time, or the majority of banks you walk into, your cash is as good, not an option, as as good as worthless to them.

Many Cafes there are also going this way, there is no legal enforcement that states they must take cash, they just put a sign in the front door/window. You are free to swipe your RFID implanted hand however in many of these cafes.

Welcome to 2020 everyone!

I'm imagining all those banks have atms, can't recall last time I withdrew physical cash from within a bank branch. In terms of cafes no longer taking cash, that's their perogative. The rfid thing implants in skin is more a fad among a couple of thousand people. Happy to do my payments via my phone or watch as I imagine most are. So cash is still present, just many choose not to use it any more.

You'll also find places like Germany have incredibly high levels of cash usage still.

4068ac1elhodqr · 02-04-2020 5:07pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

just less so that before.

Greatly less so than before, 10yrs ago 100% of the time consumers there you could bank, and shop with cash.

Today the 'Majority' (more than 50%) of bank branches won't touch it.

Many cafes won't accept it, likely plenty of other retail stores will refuse it.
There is no legal requirement for them to have to accept it.

Again, welcome yourself to 2020.

Dohnjoe · 02-04-2020 5:08pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm imagining all those banks have atms, can't recall last time I withdrew physical cash from within a bank branch. In terms of cafes no longer taking cash, that's their perogative. The rfid thing implants in skin is more a fad among a couple of thousand people. Happy to do my payments via my phone or watch as I imagine most are. So cash is still present, just many choose not to use it any more.

You'll also find places like Germany have incredibly high levels of cash usage still.

Yup, I came across a vending machine recently that was card only. It was pretty easy to use. Not sure why some individuals are so concerned about all this.

Dohnjoe · 02-04-2020 5:08pm

Kehlani Massive Magnum wrote: »

Greatly less so than before, 10yrs ago 100% of the time consumers there you could bank, and shop with cash.

Today the 'Majority' (more than 50%) of bank branches won't touch it.

Many cafes won't accept it, likely plenty of other retail stores will refuse it.
There is no legal requirement for them to have to accept it.

Again, welcome yourself to 2020.

Yeah, it's fine, I hardly use cash anymore. Most people I know don't.

4068ac1elhodqr · 02-04-2020 5:10pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Ah so if someone said physical cash is an option in Sweden, they'd be correct.

Not if they walk into the average bank branch, no.
And if they walk into many cafes and shops, also it's a no.

Basically were talking about the move towards digital money and ID, for the first time in what is many thousands, upon thousands of years of physical storages of wealth.

4068ac1elhodqr · 02-04-2020 5:11pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Yeah, it's fine, I hardly use cash anymore. .

Ah, as long as you're fine (eyeroll) everything is just dandy isn't it.

Dohnjoe · 02-04-2020 5:17pm

Kehlani Massive Magnum wrote: »

Ah, as long as you're fine (eyeroll) everything is just dandy isn't it.

Sure, I haven't come across many people complaining about it, as mentioned almost everyone I know uses digital payments of some sort.

Why are you so worried about it?

Lonesomerhodes · 02-04-2020 5:55pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Sure, I haven't come across many people complaining about it, as mentioned almost everyone I know uses digital payments of some sort.

Why are you so worried about it?

Simple people dont want it as its total control. Money can buy things but digital currency can be tampered with.

The digital currency people are concerned about isnt the same as now.

People will have some bullshyt credit system that can willy nilly be turned on and off for individuals with individual digital ids or microchips that is RFID gives location etc.

The big boys want to upgrade the plebs slavery basically.

End to privacy in essense.

Now you will get I love Leo loola's who say sure if you have nothing to hide.

Yes I do. Plenty to hide!.

Id ask them if you have nothing to hide why are you wearing clothes?

Dohnjoe · 02-04-2020 6:03pm

Lonesomerhodes wrote: »

Simple people dont want it as its total control. Money can buy things but digital currency can be tampered with.

The digital currency people are concerned about isnt the same as now.

People will have some bullshyt credit system that can willy nilly be turned on and off for individuals with individual digital ids or microchips that is RFID gives location etc.

The big boys want to upgrade the plebs slavery basically.

End to privacy in essense.

Now you will get I love Leo loola's who say sure if you have nothing to hide.

Yes I do. Plenty to hide!.

Id ask them if you have nothing to hide why are you wearing clothes?

Okay, but specifically what are you worried about with digital payments? give an example

eleventh · 02-04-2020 6:06pm

ohnonnotgmail wrote:

with cash you can end up in even hotter water with mummy or daddy pissing their social welfare money up against a wall or putting it on a three legged donkey.

As if the government cares about children and the vulnerable. It is done as social experiment, nothing more.

Dohnjoe · 02-04-2020 6:28pm

eleventh wrote: »

As if the government cares about children and the vulnerable. It is done as social experiment, nothing more.

Why do you believe that the people we elect don't care about children or vulnerable, they have kids themselves and have elderly relatives..

Do you think these people are "sub-human" or something?

Lonesomerhodes · 02-04-2020 7:08pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Okay, but specifically what are you worried about with digital payments? give an example

Said this already but all payments on digital ID or microchip if that person has outstanding fines or tv license fee or something like that outstanding etc then said microchip can be turned off or deactivated.

People do as they are told they will turn off or block access to credit to people at the drop of a hat; they wont resist or question doing this to people.

In my life I can count on one had people who will stand up to absurd laws and legislation.

The vast vast vast majority of people will go along will all laws and restrictions no matter how absurd.

Look at Ireland now. People cooped up in their houses because they told to do so.

Most dont even know countries like Sweden have no lock such is the intensity of the fear porn and propaganda from RTE. All they know is fear.

They are so far gone with the brainwashing actually think physical Money might make them sick.

This Fear will be used to bring in digital id's.

eleventh · 02-04-2020 7:17pm

Dohnjoe wrote:

Why do you believe that the people we elect don't care about children or vulnerable, they have kids themselves and have elderly relatives..

Are we talking about the same thing. Probably not, again.

Do you think these people are "sub-human" or something?

Something badly wrong that you want to go off topic all the time and now in this direction.
I didn't use that term anywhere nor imply any such thing.
Troll away anyway.

Lonesomerhodes · 02-04-2020 7:23pm

eleventh wrote: »

Are we talking about the same thing. Probably not, again.
Something badly wrong that you want to go off topic all the time and now in this direction.
I didn't use that term anywhere nor imply any such thing.
Troll away anyway.

Poster has been diverting and changing topic all thread. Like a full time job for him (or her)

He (or she) well knows Varadkar Harris etc dont have kids!.

Fleetwoodmac · 02-04-2020 7:30pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Sure, I haven't come across many people complaining about it, as mentioned almost everyone I know uses digital payments of some sort.

Why are you so worried about it?

There's countless posts on this thread outlining the concerns, it should be so easy to understand the concerns at this stage.. doesn't mean you have to agree.

Dohnjoe · 02-04-2020 7:45pm

Lonesomerhodes wrote: »

Said this already but all payments on digital ID or microchip if that person has outstanding fines or tv license fee or something like that outstanding etc then said microchip can be turned off or deactivated.

People do as they are told they will turn off or block access to credit to people at the drop of a hat; they wont resist or question doing this to people.

In my life I can count on one had people who will stand up to absurd laws and legislation.

The vast vast vast majority of people will go along will all laws and restrictions no matter how absurd.

Look at Ireland now. People cooped up in their houses because they told to do so.

Most dont even know countries like Sweden have no lock such is the intensity of the fear porn and propaganda from RTE. All they know is fear.

They are so far gone with the brainwashing actually think physical Money might make them sick.

This Fear will be used to bring in digital id's.

I'm not talking about digital ID's or microchips.

The digital payments we use today, chip and pin, have you had any issues with it?

Dohnjoe · 02-04-2020 7:49pm

eleventh wrote: »

Are we talking about the same thing. Probably not, again.

Something badly wrong that you want to go off topic all the time and now in this direction.
I didn't use that term anywhere nor imply any such thing.
Troll away anyway.

Thanks for the accusation of trolling

You wrote:

As if the government cares about children and the vulnerable. It is done as social experiment, nothing more.

I replied to it. Are you referring to something else, if so, what is it?

Dohnjoe · 02-04-2020 7:59pm

Lonesomerhodes wrote: »

Poster has been diverting and changing topic all thread. Like a full time job for him (or her)

He (or she) well knows Varadkar Harris etc dont have kids!.

Is this some sort of special club or is this a public forum?

I can post whatever I like as long as it's within the rules. I'm asking perfectly reasonable questions, and trying to understand this worry (or paranoia) over digital payments

As for digital ID, my friend in Europe has digital ID, everyone in that country does, the card has a little chip on it. If they go to the town hall they can use the card to be recognised and also it can be used to pay taxes (online)

For microchips and rfid's? if people want to insert them under their skin, that's up to them.

Lonesomerhodes · 02-04-2020 7:59pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

I'm not talking about digital ID's or microchips.

The digital payments we use today, chip and pin, have you had any issues with it?

But the thread isnt on modern payments its on digital ids that could be used as a means of payment in the very near future.

Why insist on changing the topic?.

02-04-2020 8:10pm

Lonesomerhodes wrote: »

Said this already but all payments on digital ID or microchip if that person has outstanding fines or tv license fee or something like that outstanding etc then said microchip can be turned off or deactivated.

People do as they are told they will turn off or block access to credit to people at the drop of a hat; they wont resist or question doing this to people.

In my life I can count on one had people who will stand up to absurd laws and legislation.

The vast vast vast majority of people will go along will all laws and restrictions no matter how absurd.

Look at Ireland now. People cooped up in their houses because they told to do so.

Most dont even know countries like Sweden have no lock such is the intensity of the fear porn and propaganda from RTE. All they know is fear.

They are so far gone with the brainwashing actually think physical Money might make them sick.

This Fear will be used to bring in digital id's.

The main reason the nation is on lockdown is to prevent our entire health service from collapsing and tens of thousands from dying. Pretty reasonable.

EyesClosed · 02-04-2020 8:18pm

Lonesomerhodes wrote: »

Look at Ireland now. People cooped up in their houses because they told to do so.

Most dont even know countries like Sweden have no lock such is the intensity of the fear porn and propaganda from RTE. All they know is fear.

They are so far gone with the brainwashing actually think physical Money might make them sick.

This Fear will be used to bring in digital id's.

People are in their houses cause there is a virus, you know this, no other reason.

Sweden has had 308 deaths, 69 of which where today alone. They need to start doing something fast to stop it.

Physical money can easily spread a virus... Do you understand how viruses are spread??

Once this pandemic ends, people will go back spending their money as they like, either physically or digitally.

But since the physical money is all backed up by the digital numbers on a screen.... It really doesn't matter anyway.

Fleetwoodmac · 02-04-2020 8:23pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Is this some sort of special club or is this a public forum?

I can post whatever I like as long as it's within the rules. I'm asking perfectly reasonable questions, and trying to understand this worry (or paranoia) over digital payments

As for digital ID, my friend in Europe has digital ID, everyone in that country does, the card has a little chip on it. If they go to the town hall they can use the card to be recognised and also it can be used to pay taxes (online)

For microchips and rfid's? if people want to insert them under their skin, that's up to them.

The repeated questioning is a really effective deflection from any healthy discussion. Reading through the thread almost every post has been posters justifying their viewpoint to your repeated retorts... going round in tangents.

Dohnjoe · 02-04-2020 8:34pm

Fleetwoodmac wrote: »

The repeated questioning is a really effective deflection from any healthy discussion.

You seem to be implying that others should just accept what posters in here claim without question, which wouldn't be healthy discussion at all.

Fleetwoodmac · 02-04-2020 8:42pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

You seem to be implying that others should just accept what posters in here claim without question, which wouldn't be healthy discussion at all.

Jeez Dohnjoe.. your fast as lightning in your replies. There's a difference between repeated discussion and debate. And now I've roped myself into it!! I don't get why you would choose to repeatedly scorn... I mean it's akin to me going on to the hunting forum, say and staying there even though I will never get their viewpoint and vice versa. I prefer to engage with likeminded people where discussion is a reciporcal engagement as opposed to intentionally seeking out those I disagree with. Things are difficult enough in these times without actively engaging with those we repeatededly disagree with. There is nothing healthy about that. Anyway I'm off to read jim corrs Twitter feed!!!!

4068ac1elhodqr · 02-04-2020 9:26pm

Lonesomerhodes wrote: »

Poster has been diverting and changing topic all thread. Like a full time job for him (or her).

Exactly, think they've been at it for years, and years, fingers in every single CT, even the random pure funny top banter ones that are really best ignored.

They go into full deniability offensive at any, and all, theories, and often within minuites.
Then when proved wrong, diversion tactics are used.

A full-time job, 24/7 very most likely.
And there is another remarkable similar chap also, who is king of these very similar traits.

I suggested this before as a simple curiousity, but got told not to.
Make of that what you will.

ohnonotgmail · 02-04-2020 9:38pm

Kehlani Massive Magnum wrote: »

Exactly, think they've been at it for years, and years, fingers in every single CT, even the random pure funny top banter ones that are really best ignored.

They go into full deniability offensive at any, and all, theories, and often within minuites.
Then when proved wrong, diversion tactics are used.

A full-time job, 24/7 very most likely.
And there is another remarkable similar chap also, who is king of these very similar traits.

I suggested this before as a simple curiousity, but got told not to.
Make of that what you will.

can you remind us what CTs you have been proven correct on?

Ted_YNWA · 02-04-2020 9:39pm

Kehlani Massive Magnum wrote: »

Exactly, think they've been at it for years, and years, fingers in every single CT, even the random pure funny top banter ones that are really best ignored.

They go into full deniability offensive at any, and all, theories, and often within minuites.
Then when proved wrong, diversion tactics are used.

A full-time job, 24/7 very most likely.
And there is another remarkable similar chap also, who is king of these very similar traits.

I suggested this before as a simple curiousity, but got told not to.
Make of that what you will.

I make it that you are trying to bait other users into winding them up for your enjoyment.

Digital ID's for everyone

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