Alena Tangy Someone wrote: » Under 'good digital ID' headline. Desktop version, may not show on mobile. If persistant (tracking?) birth-to-death digital ID can be for the greater good.
ohnonotgmail wrote: » id is required in this country NOW to access essential services. I am asking where it says that his new id will be the ONLY acceptable form of ID.
Alena Tangy Someone wrote: » This is targetted at the developing world ONLY (pre-2030 phase), places where they dip your finger in ink, to make sure you don't vote twice, places where all the kids have similar names, and don't have two stones to rub together. Where you can opt out of vaccinations by hiding up a tree. This is also refrencing 'Digital ID', sure you can vote now using paper and/or simple photo cards in the west, this isn't digital, and is rejected as suitable in regards to any unique persistant birth-to-death form concepts of new digital ID, usually also backed by blockchain encryption and secondary biometric measurements.
ohnonotgmail wrote: » this is just a copy and paste of previous posts. answer the question that was asked.
Alena Tangy Someone wrote: » Why would such a huge expensive programe to 'push' digital ID, accept some paper only based documents in the connected world of 2030, sounds a bit self-defeating don't you think. Yes, can opt out, but this would likely be met with access retrictions. Again this is a 'push' program, not a 'pleasem and ask nicely' program.
ohnonotgmail wrote: » why would governments only accept id that they have no control over?
Kehlani Massive Magnum wrote: » ? Eh, non comprendo. Think you need a break, anyway have other things to do. In the meantime feel free to have a google (below is 'page 1' of search), for id2020, showing the very many varied views on the global (push) model of this digital blockchain ID. Sure has created some interest in regards to COVID19, and vaccinations in general (hence Billy Gates sudden rush from Miscrosoft). There is no exact certainty as to what precisely will emerge from it (people here will ask for that, without time machines etc), but is one of the most interesting projects ever seen. Suspect it isn't the last we'll all hear about it.
Kehlani Massive Magnum wrote: I.e. An ID(digital) established at time of birth, that remains 'persistant' (not removable or deniable as a unique secure identifier), at any time during a persons lifecycle, that remains in place, right up until time of death.
Kehlani Massive Magnum wrote: By 2030 every single person on the planet, must also have a strong and digital method of unique ID, like it or not, that is the future.
Lonesomerhodes wrote: » Notice incredible push to go cashless these days?. WHO says money could carry corona Shops only taking contactless Contactless pay amount going up Ikea refusing cash etc etc On the back of all this fear porn people will sign up digital ids or microchipping in a heartbeat. Total control. Every transaction monitored; everyones location known; every transaction taxed; much harder to buy things second hand; much harder to selk things secind hand; fines penalties removed automatically from peoples accounts without any contest but most importantly Whats to stop the people running this con turning off ids or restricting them to only very very limited locations or items?. If you are seen as trouble naughty boy they could easily just deactivate your id and no means of purchase whatsoever. Could easily happen. Fear has people afraid to leave their homes they will accept any draconian measure to get back to "normal". Least with cash its universally accepted and just paper cant me made null and void so to speak.
Lonsomerhodes wrote: Notice incredible push to go cashless these days?. ... Shops only taking contactless Contactless pay amount going up Ikea refusing cash etc etc
eleventh wrote: » I'd have no issue with this per se. The problem would be if cash stops being accepted altogether. As you say, deals between people such as second hand goods, cash is needed. This option should stay and while large/multinationals etc may phase it out for their own reasons, it should still be allowed circulate and cash lodgements etc continue. If not, we will see small business and communities destroyed (moreso than already). Unfortunately I do see cashless as almost inevitable the way it's going. It's more about how long can we delay it (and hope the tide will turn).
EyesClosed wrote: » Also cash doesnt actually mean anything anymore, it is all connected to the money on the screen you are afraid of, it has been like that YEARS now, and still the world hasnt turned into a military policed 1984 state you seem to want so badly.
Lord Fairlord wrote: » Eh, the government now claims to have the authority to decide whether someone can leave their home or not (which is invalid law ab initio). "But there is a virus out there" I can imagine many would reply.
I hear reports of people reporting on their neighbours during this Covid scare - scarily reminiscent in one way of what happened in East Germany.
eleventh wrote: » I edited the post to address that. The point being that cash should remain as an option. Not everyone wants to deal electronically or not all the time.
eleventh wrote: » ^ You are wanting to discuss current affairs. My post is "completely removed", as you put it, from current affairs. There is a current affairs thread and even a forum dedicated to corona where your thoughts on benefits of hand washing etc might be relevant.
Dohnjoe wrote: » Physical cash is an option and will likely be kept as an option for a long time to come
Kehlani Massive Magnum wrote: » This is incorrect (within the EU). You only have to look at Sweden (yes, the land where thousands choose to have RFID injected under their hands), many cafes refuse outright to accept cash. The simply don't provide this option. More than half of their 1600 banks, refuse to accept cash deposits, or offer cash withdrawls. Cash is simply a not an option in many instances. They are 2nd in the world only to Canada for cashless transactions, cash is down about 27% in the last 4/5yrs. Like the crazy Swedes, the Aussies also like to run wayward social experiements. On such was that welfare recipients were paid using a card only, and could spend this as card only (no ATM withdrawls allowed). They were also restricted on where the card could be used, it wouldn't work in any bookies nor in any of their bottle shops. Basically told what they can and can't spend their money on.
Kehlani Massive Magnum wrote: » This is incorrect (within the EU).
ohnonotgmail wrote: » so the same as what are called food stamps in the states.
Dohnjoe wrote: » Nah, what I wrote isn't incorrect. ""Physical cash is an option and will likely be kept as an option for a long time to come" Physical cash is an option
Kehlani Massive Magnum wrote: » Somewhat, basically being told what or when you can spend money on. There is an element of freedom of choice with cash, with fully traced and restricted card-only funds you could end up in hot water easily enough.
Kehlani Massive Magnum wrote: » Nah, problem is it simply isn't an option, in many cases, in some EU states. Half the banks in Sweden won't accept nor offer it, hence if you walk into the wrong bank (50:50), you have 'null options' in regards to cash. Physical cash is NOT an option in this situation. Or if you walk into one of the many cashless cafes in Stockholm, it is also not an option available to pay for goods. Physical cash is NOT an option in this situation. So you claim that is always an option e.g. in an EU state is: a plain lie. You can however pay with a swipe of your right hand, where an RFID chip is implanted by thousands there. This is greatly encouraged.
