Scholarstown Wood Rathfarnham

Pose Nicker · 10-09-2016 1:41pm

I'm a musician actually.

However Nomes 311, I'm sure you'll have a smart-arsed answer to that, instead of an infomed opinion that might actually contribute something!

Pose Nicker · 10-09-2016 1:50pm

Asteroids over Berlin, I think you're right.

There's better value in the area in buying S/H and renovating, it would still come in less than Scholarstown Wood, But there are just so few coming on the market, other than executor sales, and total re-furbs.

I can see families offering huge support to children to get the deposits together for these, pretty much everything else is on the other side of the M50 (i.e, less desireable), if you look at what is being asked for Hersil Wood on Knocklyon Road, Scholarstown Wood actually makes sense.

youcancallmeal · 10-09-2016 2:37pm

Pose Nicker wrote: »

Asteroids over Berlin, I think you're right.

There's better value in the area in buying S/H and renovating, it would still come in less than Scholarstown Wood, But there are just so few coming on the market, other than executor sales, and total re-furbs.

I can see families offering huge support to children to get the deposits together for these, pretty much everything else is on the other side of the M50 (i.e, less desireable), if you look at what is being asked for Hersil Wood on Knocklyon Road, Scholarstown Wood actually makes sense.

Hersil Wood is prime example of pricing high but taking less. They are excellent builds(better than Scholarstown Wood) in a better location and a lot higher sq ft. First phase went up for sale for 595k for the cheapest house. If you look at the property price register for 2015 and 2016 you'll see not one of them sold for over 595, about 559 is the highest one of them went for. Second phase they are looking for between 625k and 695k for them but they'll probably all go for a lot less than that

macguru · 10-09-2016 3:25pm

youcancallmeal wrote: »

Hersil Wood is prime example of pricing high but taking less. They are excellent builds(better than Scholarstown Wood) in a better location and a lot higher sq ft. First phase went up for sale for 595k for the cheapest house. If you look at the property price register for 2015 and 2016 you'll see not one of them sold for over 595, about 559 is the highest one of them went for. Second phase they are looking for between 625k and 695k for them but they'll probably all go for a lot less than that

@youcancallmeal

As far as I'm aware new builds are listed on the property price register ex vat (13.5%), this might explain the price difference.

Edit: Just checked the PPR website, New builds prices are indeed listed EX VAT.

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T-b0n3 · 12-09-2016 3:56pm

The website has been updated with pictures and other details:

http://scholarstownwood.ie/

Blud · 26-09-2016 2:00pm

Anyone make it to the open house yesterday? Any reports on it?

notkenny · 26-09-2016 7:48pm

I was there and there were loads of people. I never seen that many people in any other new houses before.

3 bed Mid terrace, 3 bed end of terrace, 4 bed semi detached and 5 bed Detached house types were sold out. Only 3 & 4 bed semi detached are left.

Pose Nicker · 26-09-2016 9:04pm

I was at the open viewing also.

As per my previous post, the demand is staggering, most of Phase 1 is gone after just two weekends (see notkenny above).

The 4 bed is the pick of the bunch IMO at 1,500 sq feet (approx), fairly nicely proportioned rooms and four decent sized bedrooms, good bathrooms and a small utility room, for 570K.

The three bed semis are ok at around 1,200 for 470K, great for anyone getting out of an apartment or a starter home, but as ever they've used every trick in the book to make them look bigger, huge mirrors, same coloured walls throughout, clever window location etc. etc. Even the five beds at around 2,000 plus, represent value and both the ones in Phase 1 were gone, even though they have very poor gardens. Some strange layout decisions, especially the weird 3rd floor.

One aspect I was suprised with was that there were some sites with reasonable back gardens (some small as well of course), the decisison to go with just 320 units as distinct from the 600 plus of the original pre-crash plans have given a bit more space here and there.

Anyone wanting to get in here would need to be on the doorstep on viewing day for Phase 2 with the 7K booking deposit in their hand (and the rest in cash or with letters of approval from their lending agent)!

asteroids over berlin · 26-09-2016 9:13pm

Dropped in again, i agree the 4 bed is a fine house, nice size back garden too, pricey though.
The 3 bed sycamore is ok but appear to be north facing gardens, no way for me - too pricey for what you get too. However the other 3 beds the maples are a disaster you would want to be off your rocker to be interested. No opinion on the 5 bed as the price is just beyond mental. I have no interest in buying, bit of a property hound, like to keep my eye on the market etc, feel they are overpriced by a generous margin but i guess thats what people pay these days

Pose Nicker · 26-09-2016 10:14pm

I don't think the orientation (North, South) will matter, the better located ones will just be the ones reserved first, I'm in a Northish facing house, it never even occured to me to worry about this as the house was what I wanted.

Also, I wouldn't describe any of the prices as 'mental', I think Regency are being super clever here in releasing a comparatively small number in P1, at reasonable prices which will further put pressure for demand in P2, P3 etc., all of which will probably go up as each phase is announced, then you might see some 'mental' prices as they try to maximise profit in the final stages.

Well done to those lucky few who got in early!

asteroids over berlin · 26-09-2016 10:33pm

Pose Nicker wrote: »

I don't think the orientation (North, South) will matter, the better located ones will just be the ones reserved first, I'm in a Northish facing house, it never even occured to me to worry about this as the house was what I wanted.

Also, I wouldn't describe any of the prices as 'mental', I think Regency are being super clever here in releasing a comparatively small number in P1, at reasonable prices which will further put pressure for demand in P2, P3 etc., all of which will probably go up as each phase is announced, then you might see some 'mental' prices as they try to maximise profit in the final stages.

Well done to those lucky few who got in early!

Sorry i disagree with most of your points, anyway, to each their own.

Pose Nicker · 27-09-2016 5:30pm

No problem asteroids, dissent is healthy, and being wrong is how you learn stuff!

It's just a pity you haven't got the manners to expain exactly what you don't agree with, instead of shutting the discussion down with that gnomic comment.

asteroids over berlin · 27-09-2016 7:33pm

Pose Nicker wrote: »

No problem asteroids, dissent is healthy, and being wrong is how you learn stuff!

It's just a pity you haven't got the manners to expain exactly what you don't agree with, instead of shutting the discussion down with that gnomic comment.

Gnomic comment!! Tut tut. I actually believe you have connections to the developer or the estate agents!

Paying 475 for a 3 bed with a north facing garden DEFINITELY is something that should occur to a potential buyer. These houses are expensive, the developer is not being clever with the pricing, your talking bull mate and are trying to scaremonger people into a decision. (Just my opinion of course, goodbye!)

Pose Nicker · 27-09-2016 8:17pm

Asteroids, that got you going again, super.

Sorry buddy, read the thread, I've already stated I'm a musician, with absoloutely no connection to Regency or Sherry Fitz, have never even used them to sell or buy my homes. You can't beat a good conspiracy though, I wish I was connected to either, I'd love to get a discount on those prices!!!!

Clearly, those wishing to purchase should try to get a South facing garden first, however that doesn't mean the units with north facing gardens won't be sold, I don't see estates up and down the country with vast numbers of vacant houses with North facing gardens, so in the end it won't be a factor.

Fact:- There are 38 units in P1, some have crap gardens, some have reasonable sizes, most are broadly East/West axis, some South facing and only one with a broadly North facing aspect (L-shaped) and it's reserved. The first ones to go were in the row of terraces, which are North-East facing. Do some research!

You say they are 'expensive', but by comparison to what, general house prices in the area? houses on the PPR? Prices pre crash? Prices post crash? Look at myhome.ie and have a look at the scarcity of quality properties out there. There's a three bed for sale in my estate in ok condition for 440K, an extra 30K will get you a resonably decent sized 3 bed in perfect new condition, a small premium for that luxury. 470K is a lot of money I agree, but you are not looking at the bigger picture.

athtrasna · 27-09-2016 10:55pm

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spockety · 27-09-2016 11:31pm

Pose Nicker wrote: »

Well done to those lucky few who got in early!

Jaysus I'm getting an awful sense of deja vu.. you could lift a statement like that right out of 2005.

Theboinkmaster · 28-09-2016 10:02am

Pose Nicker wrote: »

Asteroids, that got you going again, super.

Sorry buddy, read the thread, I've already stated I'm a musician, with absoloutely no connection to Regency or Sherry Fitz, have never even used them to sell or buy my homes. You can't beat a good conspiracy though, I wish I was connected to either, I'd love to get a discount on those prices!!!!

Clearly, those wishing to purchase should try to get a South facing garden first, however that doesn't mean the units with north facing gardens won't be sold, I don't see estates up and down the country with vast numbers of vacant houses with North facing gardens, so in the end it won't be a factor.

Fact:- There are 38 units in P1, some have crap gardens, some have reasonable sizes, most are broadly East/West axis, some South facing and only one with a broadly North facing aspect (L-shaped) and it's reserved. The first ones to go were in the row of terraces, which are North-East facing. Do some research!

You say they are 'expensive', but by comparison to what, general house prices in the area? houses on the PPR? Prices pre crash? Prices post crash? Look at myhome.ie and have a look at the scarcity of quality properties out there. There's a three bed for sale in my estate in ok condition for 440K, an extra 30K will get you a resonably decent sized 3 bed in perfect new condition, a small premium for that luxury. 470K is a lot of money I agree, but you are not looking at the bigger picture.

So you've bought one have you?

breeno · 28-09-2016 10:55am

So this guy registered this month, has only ever posted in this thread and only ever posts compliments to the developers about the houses and their price point....... :rolleyes:

I'm convinced

witchgirl26 · 28-09-2016 11:08am

Honestly €475k for a 3 bed is ridiculous. They are completely trying to cash in on the fact that the address is Rathfarnham. Dodderbrook and Abbott's Grove both have 3 beds for circa €360k and judging solely off the plans (although have seen Dodderbrook), I'd prefer either of them. And the pictures they have on the front - not convinced of the curb appeal of the house. I'm not sure exactly what your extra €100k is getting you. Personally would prefer to spend that amount on something else.

Theboinkmaster · 28-09-2016 11:43am

witchgirl26 wrote: »

Honestly €475k for a 3 bed is ridiculous. They are completely trying to cash in on the fact that the address is Rathfarnham. Dodderbrook and Abbott's Grove both have 3 beds for circa €360k and judging solely off the plans (although have seen Dodderbrook), I'd prefer either of them. And the pictures they have on the front - not convinced of the curb appeal of the house. I'm not sure exactly what your extra €100k is getting you. Personally would prefer to spend that amount on something else.

Agreed, and they also look very poor build quality - very cheap, and the outside design looks very poor. Will not age well.

john kinsella · 28-09-2016 11:50am

Theboinkmaster wrote: »

Agreed, and they also look very poor build quality - very cheap, and the outside design looks very poor. Will not age well.

Did you gauge the build quality from a photo or did you see the houses can I ask?

Theboinkmaster · 28-09-2016 11:51am

Pose Nicker wrote: »

I was at the open viewing also.

The 4 bed is the pick of the bunch IMO at 1,500 sq feet (approx), fairly nicely proportioned rooms and four decent sized bedrooms, good bathrooms and a small utility room, for 570K.

You are absolutely deluded - can you please explain to me how this is reasonable compared to:

College square new builds 2 storey 4 bed semi Ds (1,650 sq ft) were going for €650k in 2015 and built to a very high standard. Yes they were the edge of Terenure so closer to kimmage/templeogue but they were 10% bigger so applying that increase to Scholarstown Wood you'd get a comparable price of €627k to the above example.

So a reduction of 3.5% for being miles further out and a much more developed built up area, less amenities and much worse build quality and design?!?! Get real - there's no way these will go for those prices, until you show me them on the PPR I don't believe any of your delusions.

A fairer reduction comparison-wise would be €100-150k so this above example should be way below the €500k mark.

Theboinkmaster · 28-09-2016 11:54am

john kinsella wrote: »

Did you gauge the build quality from a photo or did you see the houses can I ask?

Photos and specifications per their website - don't mind the spec if the price is right but those prices are absurd.

For example - upvc windows and doors - absolute bollox using those materials if asking €575k for a 1,500sq ft house. For that price you'd demand aluclad or wood.

Wooden fences instead of walls in back garden, no granite/quartz countertops in kitchen, plastic drainpipes on outside, no high end sanitary wear like villaroy and boch etc.

witchgirl26 · 28-09-2016 12:09pm

john kinsella wrote: »

Did you gauge the build quality from a photo or did you see the houses can I ask?

I haven't seen the houses but to be honest, if a developer is putting out brochures showing the houses then they should look fantastic and make you want to go see them. That's the whole idea. They should look possibly better in pictures than they do in reality as they have time to choose the best lighting and use software to touch up aspects on the computer afterwards. If it still doesn't look great after all that, I'm not going to waste my Saturday afternoon going out to have a look for that price.

youcancallmeal · 28-09-2016 12:10pm

I know a lot of people are disgusted by the prices, myself included. I wonder though are the high prices simply down to demand? They've already sold most of them apparently.

Unless they are being bought up by investment groups who just plan to rent them out? I know a lot of pension portfolios would actually consist of new houses being bought up and rented out which are seen to be very stable long term assets.

notkenny · 28-09-2016 12:11pm

witchgirl26 wrote: »

Honestly 475k for a 3 bed is ridiculous. They are completely trying to cash in on the fact that the address is Rathfarnham. Dodderbrook and Abbott's Grove both have 3 beds for circa 360k and judging solely off the plans (although have seen Dodderbrook), I'd prefer either of them. And the pictures they have on the front - not convinced of the curb appeal of the house. I'm not sure exactly what your extra 100k is getting you. Personally would prefer to spend that amount on something else.

I would agree with you. Abbots grove starts form 369 for 3 bed house and I don't see much difference in both houses, of course I am not very expert to compare build quality but they look similar to me. I have been to both developments.

I know this development address is Rathfarnaham, but they both use same bus 15b and same motorway exit and they share same amenities. So are they charging nearly extra 100k for being in Rathfarnaham ?

Theboinkmaster · 28-09-2016 12:17pm

youcancallmeal wrote: »

They've already sold most of them apparently.

Until I see the prices on the PPR I don't believe that - either lies or people paying booking deposits and sale will fall through once they try to get money from bank.

Very hard to get mortgages these days despite bank marketing and approval in principle.

I'd be looking at Hazelbrook Square in Churchtown as an alternative and better priced IMO.

athtrasna · 28-09-2016 1:51pm

breeno wrote: »

So this guy registered this month, has only ever posted in this thread and only ever posts compliments to the developers about the houses and their price point....... :rolleyes:

I'm convinced

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Pose Nicker · 28-09-2016 2:35pm

Folks, the facts speak for themselves.

I am deluded about many things (mostly my opinions), but of the 38 houses in Phase 1, almost all have booking deposits or full deposits paid after just two weekends viewings! These are the facts, not my opinions, if someone doesn't believe me, ring Sheery Fitz yourself, it's not possible to be deluded by facts!!!

And no I didn't buy one myself, the conspiracy keeps going.......

It is self evident that the demand I predicted BEFORE the viewings has come to pass. I stand over my original post, the entire estate will be sold off the plans as the phases are released. The reasons are simple, the pent up demand, designs, location, quality (go and see them!!!!), estate layout and mostly prices.

Now as I seem to be an irritant to some for daring to spell out the obvious here, and it is deemed possible to pass judgement on properties you haven't seen, I'm out.

witchgirl26 · 28-09-2016 2:43pm

Booking deposits do not equal sales. And no developer/agent will let you know how many of the full deposits have been given as that has nothing to do with a 3rd party. The most you'll get is that they are "sold" which means the set booking deposit has been handed over. Unless you're on a cancellations list, you won't hear anything else and even then it'll just be if one becomes available.

I don't think the "mostly prices" piece is correct. This is why Dodderbrook sold all of it's 3 bed semi-d's (and by sold I mean booking deposits on) in the first weekend of Phase 2 because the price of €360k was reasonable to people. €475k is not a reasonable price. And looking at where they are on the map, I don't see much being gained by way of location.

As the booking deposit is fully refundable, a lot of people put this down and then get into their mortgage process. However not many will have full mortgage approval in place within 2 weeks. Hell I know people who it took 4 weeks to get the full mortgage approval in place for a house when they had 30% deposit and there were no complications.

They don't look like bad houses, don't get me wrong. But they don't look like ones worth that price. And if we're back into that kinda of way of thinking of "must buy now" and "pay whatever" then we really have learnt nothing as a country from the past 8 years.

Theboinkmaster · 28-09-2016 4:36pm

Pose Nicker wrote: »

Folks, the facts speak for themselves.

I am deluded about many things (mostly my opinions), but of the 38 houses in Phase 1, almost all have booking deposits or full deposits paid after just two weekends viewings! These are the facts, not my opinions, if someone doesn't believe me, ring Sheery Fitz yourself, it's not possible to be deluded by facts!!!

That means absolutely nothing since they're fully refundable. Show me proof (like link to PPR) of them selling at those prices then I will concede but you can't do that.

They're not sold until contracts signed and paid for <mod snip >

Theboinkmaster · 28-09-2016 4:40pm

Pose Nicker wrote: »

location, quality and mostly prices.

Location - poor.
Quality - average.
Prices - overpriced, bad value.

Go lookup College Square or Hazelbook Square for new developments that satisfy those 3 criteria because Scholarstown Wood doesn't meet any of them.

REFLINE1 · 29-09-2016 12:29pm

Having viewed Abbots Grove/Dodderbrook/Scholarstown Wood recently there is absolutely no way the price discrepancy is justified.

In fact in my opinion the build quality is superior in the DB/AG, the scholarstown wood houses were through up with timber frame and know one can convince me they will perform as well acoustically.Also whilst walking around upstairs in some of the SW houses there was a lot of creaking and moving floorboard which are not acceptable in a brand new build, signs of a rush to complete to me. I have snagged LOTS of buildings over the years and the general quality seemed better in the other two.

Yes SW location is better but only marginally compared to AG imo.

68 lost souls · 30-09-2016 3:55pm

Theboinkmaster wrote: »

Location - poor.
Quality - average.
Prices - overpriced, bad value.

Go lookup College Square or Hazelbook Square for new developments that satisfy those 3 criteria because Scholarstown Wood doesn't meet any of them.

Hazelbrook Square is an awful location in my opinion and way way way over priced. As is Scholarstown wood. DOnt know much about College Square

Theboinkmaster · 30-09-2016 4:44pm

68 lost souls wrote: »

Hazelbrook Square is an awful location in my opinion and way way way over priced. As is Scholarstown wood. DOnt know much about College Square

I thought pricing per sq m was on a par with Scholarstown wood so location-wise there's no comparison for that money, Hazelbrook Sq far superior.

68 lost souls · 30-09-2016 4:57pm

Theboinkmaster wrote: »

I thought pricing per sq m was on a par with Scholarstown wood so location-wise there's no comparison for that money, Hazelbrook Sq far superior.

Both are overpriced to me, Scholarstown wood though I feel has better schools in the catchment area than HB. Also the builder gave land to the council in HB to do as they please which is a big unknown could have som every colourful neighbours. Too close to busy roads. Yes having a shopping center so close is helpful but also dont like the bus service there as much.

seamus · 30-09-2016 5:03pm

Theboinkmaster wrote: »

I thought pricing per sq m was on a par with Scholarstown wood so location-wise there's no comparison for that money, Hazelbrook Sq far superior.

Do you know the area?

In terms of transport Hazelbrook Square has the edge. But then so does Kilnamanagh.

Cost and properties being equal, I would choose Scholarstown over Hazelbrook every time.

Theboinkmaster · 30-09-2016 5:11pm

seamus wrote: »

Do you know the area?

In terms of transport Hazelbrook Square has the edge. But then so does Kilnamanagh.

Cost and properties being equal, I would choose Scholarstown over Hazelbrook every time.

I grew up in Rathfarnham (as in by Endas - proper Rathfarnham) yes so know it very well.

The luas is within walking distance of Hazelbrook (probably a good 20mins?) as well as being a few miles closer to town and in a mature area. Plus the build quality, design and fixtures are immensely better.

Have probably the best Supervalu in Dublin just around the corner as well as Nutgrove SC, good schools and Endas and Marlay are also walking distance.

68 lost souls · 30-09-2016 5:21pm

Theboinkmaster wrote: »

I grew up in Rathfarnham (as in by Endas - proper Rathfarnham) yes so know it very well.

The luas is within walking distance of Hazelbrook (probably a good 20mins?) as well as being a few miles closer to town and in a mature area. Plus the build quality, design and fixtures are immensely better.

Have probably the best Supervalu in Dublin just around the corner as well as Nutgrove SC, good schools and Endas and Marlay are also walking distance.

I grew up in Marlay so I know the area well too.

I don't feel its walking distance to the luas at all, its a good 30 minutes walk and I dont think the schools are good. If it was in the catchment area of Devine word then it would have great schools but its not.

asteroids over berlin · 30-09-2016 7:41pm

68 lost souls wrote: »

I grew up in Marlay so I know the area well too.

I don't feel its walking distance to the luas at all, its a good 30 minutes walk and I dont think the schools are good. If it was in the catchment area of Devine word then it would have great schools but its not.

I live beside them, can get to the luas easy in 20 mins. I agree they are overpriced, i really like the look of them though, however the ones beside the apartment block are in a terrible location, gardens could be bigger too. Obviously a far better location than SW but indeed also over priced. Don't know about the school

whiteorchid · 03-10-2016 11:07am

Houses here totally overpriced bedrooms very small in 5 bedded there were no beds in show house to give illusion of space. In 4 bedded small bedrooms could not fit much more than a bed.
Area good good buses schools etc near buy. But these houses are over priced esp when compared to prospect manor a quiet mature estate with decent gardens and big bedrooms. No comparison compared to scholarstown woods

Garyr1 · 04-10-2016 11:49am

If people want to pay over the odds for houses let them off. Clearly many have not learnt a thing from the past 8 years and we'll continue to see double digit house price increases until the next crash. Demand is one thing, but stupidity is another. You also have to wonder who's really behind these price increases, the banks maybe? Last time I checked you have to get the property valued before the banks will approve and/or draw down a mortgage, the banks could stop these price increases by refusing to value the houses at their silly asking prices. Builders are in business to make money, so they will continue to fleece the punter for as much as they can get away with, its up to us punters and the financial institutions to say no.

But of course we haven't learnt a thing don't forget, so lets start blowing up that bubble again, how big will the bubble get this time I wonder?

Vudgie · 10-08-2017 3:18pm

Anyone know about the latest phase here and when it launches?

They are building away but its all pretty quiet on the marketing front.

john kinsella · 14-08-2017 9:15am

Vudgie wrote: »

Anyone know about the latest phase here and when it launches?

They are building away but its all pretty quiet on the marketing front.

I saw the sign in front of the development saying the next phase was being released in September 2017 if that's any help to you?

eternal31 · 14-08-2017 10:18am

How is this area? transport and school? There is one bus station nearby. Is that the only transportation? I saw somebody say it is not even in rathfarnham area, is it true?

seamus · 14-08-2017 10:27am

It's a perfectly nice area. There's one bus stop (15B) right outside and another bus stop (15) a five minute walk away. Fairly standard for most of the Dublin suburbs.

It's definitely in the Rathfarnham area. But Rathfarnham is a huge area. It's kind of on the boundary of Knocklyon/Ballyroan. Technically "Scholarstown", but that doesn't really exist as a placename any more.

For schools it's in the catchment for St. Colmcille's Primary & Secondary. Both highly regarded as two of the best. But there are several other schools in walking distance that are all held in high regard.

paulieeye · 09-09-2017 10:12am

Anyone know prices on these, hard to find info?

Officer Giggles · 14-01-2018 9:37pm

Did anyone end up buying here, phase 4 is launching next month

GingerLily · 15-01-2018 11:22am

All the 3beds were sold out in phase three.

Officer Giggles · 15-01-2018 11:49am

According to the site map on their website, which I'm presuming is for phase four, it's mainly three beds for sale, I see earlier phases were sold by sherry Fitz and now it's DNG, is it unusual for them to change

Scholarstown Wood Rathfarnham

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