Scholarstown Wood Rathfarnham

REFLINE1

It will be interesting to see how these houses are priced. Due to launch in autumn apparently, works have started on site.

http://www.regency.ie/projects/scholarstown-wood/
http://www.myhome.ie/residential/brochure/scholarstown-road-rathfarnham-dublin-16/3598804

Looks like there constructed as timber frame houses as well based on what i can see from the site so far.
What are peoples thoughts on modern timber frame houses. I'm a little conflicted myself, in theory they are perfectly fine but i would have slight reservations, mainly due to risk of poor acoustics.

68 lost souls

REFLINE1 wrote: »

It will be interesting to see how these houses are priced. Due to launch in autumn apparently, works have started on site.

http://www.regency.ie/projects/scholarstown-wood/
http://www.myhome.ie/residential/brochure/scholarstown-road-rathfarnham-dublin-16/3598804

Looks like there constructed as timber frame houses as well based on what i can see from the site so far.
What are peoples thoughts on modern timber frame houses. I'm a little conflicted myself, in theory they are perfectly fine but i would have slight reservations, mainly due to risk of poor acoustics.

We have been looking in the general area, it looks like it could be very like hunters wood or dalreida which we don't like as it all seems very on top of itself from what I can tell. Have registered interest though in the hope it's more like other developments that we like.

Price will be interesting to see

Dial Hard

68 lost souls wrote: »

We have been looking in the general area, it looks like it could be very like hunters wood or dalreida which we don't like as it all seems very on top of itself from what I can tell.

That's pretty much the way all developments in Dublin are going, from what I can see. Tiny gardens so they can maximise the number of units without compromising too much on house size.

68 lost souls

Dial Hard wrote: »

That's pretty much the way all developments in Dublin are going, from what I can see. Tiny gardens so they can maximise the number of units without compromising too much on house size.

There are one or two that are not as bad. It's not just the gardens it's the proximity to neighbours, the public spaces, the roads etc. The few that we have liked though seem to sell extremely fast though.

Eric Cartman

REFLINE1 wrote: »

It will be interesting to see how these houses are priced. Due to launch in autumn apparently, works have started on site.

http://www.regency.ie/projects/scholarstown-wood/
http://www.myhome.ie/residential/brochure/scholarstown-road-rathfarnham-dublin-16/3598804

Looks like there constructed as timber frame houses as well based on what i can see from the site so far.
What are peoples thoughts on modern timber frame houses. I'm a little conflicted myself, in theory they are perfectly fine but i would have slight reservations, mainly due to risk of poor acoustics.

the insulation regulations now and whats required to get an "A" BER rating will likely mean the sound insulation is alright (Im not going to say good as I have yet to be in an Irish property with good sound insulation)

id imagine it'll come in at 400k-450k for the 3 bed then add 100k for each extra bedroom.

Id also say its the new Irish version of detached, a side gate on one side and no more than 90cm between the houses on the other side.

68 lost souls

Eric Cartman wrote: »

the insulation regulations now and whats required to get an "A" BER rating will likely mean the sound insulation is alright (Im not going to say good as I have yet to be in an Irish property with good sound insulation)

id imagine it'll come in at 400k-450k for the 3 bed then add 100k for each extra bedroom.

Id also say its the new Irish version of detached, a side gate on one side and no more than 90cm between the houses on the other side.

Was hoping under 350 but doubt it will come in at that

Eric Cartman

68 lost souls wrote: »

Was hoping under 350 but doubt it will come in at that

maybe for the apartments. SCD, transport, very limited building space, high land value , considering theres 5 beds there id imagine the finish will be high end enough. Doubt theres any chance of a detached being under 400, even a semi-d would be almost hitting that number.

68 lost souls

Eric Cartman wrote: »

maybe for the apartments. SCD, transport, very limited building space, high land value , considering theres 5 beds there id imagine the finish will be high end enough. Doubt theres any chance of a detached being under 400, even a semi-d would be almost hitting that number.

Sorry meant to clarify its the 3 bed semi I'm talking about

REFLINE1

Eric Cartman wrote: »

REFLINE1 wrote: »

It will be interesting to see how these houses are priced. Due to launch in autumn apparently, works have started on site.

http://www.regency.ie/projects/scholarstown-wood/
http://www.myhome.ie/residential/brochure/scholarstown-road-rathfarnham-dublin-16/3598804

Looks like there constructed as timber frame houses as well based on what i can see from the site so far.
What are peoples thoughts on modern timber frame houses. I'm a little conflicted myself, in theory they are perfectly fine but i would have slight reservations, mainly due to risk of poor acoustics.

the insulation regulations now and whats required to get an "A" BER rating will likely mean the sound insulation is alright (Im not going to say good as I have yet to be in an Irish property with good sound insulation)

id imagine it'll come in at 400k-450k for the 3 bed then add 100k for each extra bedroom.

Id also say its the new Irish version of detached, a side gate on one side and no more than 90cm between the houses on the other side.

BER insulation ratings aren't necessarily related to acoustics in a building. Acoustics rely very much on good detailing in design and excellent workmanship. On one hand prefab timber frame elements take away a certain amount of site error out of the equation but on the other concrete/blocks are much denser materials and absorb sound better. Im not saying timber frame is necessarily poorer in this respect but its a concern for me.

Regarding the development im on the fence a little, good geographic location but actually not much in terms of services or transport nearby.

Dial Hard

68 lost souls wrote: »

Was hoping under 350 but doubt it will come in at that

Can't see them being anywhere near that when the 3 bed semis in Dodderbrook went for c.345k in the first phase and this is a "better" postcode.

68 lost souls

Dial Hard wrote: »

Can't see them being anywhere near that when the 3 bed semis in Dodderbrook went for c.345k in the first phase and this is a "better" postcode.

332,500 in Dodderbrook not 345

youcancallmeal

I'm very interested in this development as well. Should have enough saved for 400-450k mortgage by end of this year. Would like a 4 bed but realistically I'd say we'll only be able to afford a 3 bed. I emailed Sherry Fitz today to see if they can give some indications on price, not expecting them to reply any time soon. I'm hoping with all these new houses it may reduce the price of other 2nd hand house on sale in the vicinity, maybe a naive outlook?

I presume these houses are built in such a way that there is no room for extending them in the future? Seems most new houses these days are 3 stories with tiny gardens to ensure small footprint and fit more into a smaller area.

seamus

youcancallmeal wrote: »

I presume these houses are built in such a way that there is no room for extending them in the future? Seems most new houses these days are 3 stories with tiny gardens to ensure small footprint and fit more into a smaller area.

The building specs will be in the planning application on the sdcc website. Havent looked at it myself, but typically properties in Dublin now are built over 3 floors to maximise floor space, with a relatively small rear garden, no front garden and one or two parking spaces at the front. There is usually some attic space, but enough space to crawl in or just stick your head in, at best.

Expect all the 3-beds to be semi-D or terraced, 4 beds to be a mix of semi-D and detached and 5 beds to be detached.

Modern build standards are good - you'll get a house that's cosy, very homely, energy efficient, wired up to the nines with modern hardware and much larger than a 3/4/5 bed from another era. You just lose out on more traditional things like six-foot high attics and front and rear gardens.

Depending on the location of the property you can sometimes get some scope to extend into your side passage or extend out the back. Either way, the scope to extend is limited.

powerstar

I rang them on Friday for guide prices but they did not give any details and said prices will be released in August and launch will be in September.

seamus

Actually, looking at the plans, I stand corrected. There are 2-beds in the mix as well. 2/3/4-beds include some with 2 storeys and some with 3 storeys.

All of the 3-storey houses they try to pass off as 2-storey + dormer, but they're 3-storey houses.

All look like pretty generous sizes, even the 2-storey 3-beds claim 120sq.m.

youcancallmeal

seamus wrote: »

Actually, looking at the plans, I stand corrected. There are 2-beds in the mix as well. 2/3/4-beds include some with 2 storeys and some with 3 storeys.

All of the 3-storey houses they try to pass off as 2-storey + dormer, but they're 3-storey houses.

All look like pretty generous sizes, even the 2-storey 3-beds claim 120sq.m.

Have you got a link to the specs to save me searching? Thanks

seamus

http://www.sdublincoco.ie/index.aspx?pageid=144&regref=SD15A/0017

Lillylally

Heard that 20% social housing... Not sure what implications are but not sure it's encouraging me to buy here

youcancallmeal

Was at the open evening Sherry Fitz put on this evening in their office. The first 30 houses will be ready in September, a mix of 3,4 and 5 beds. They had detailed plans of each of the houses, they look very good and will be high spec. I tried getting the possible prices out of them but they were quite tight lipped. I did manage get them to admit that the 3 bed houses would be over 400k. If I was gonna guess I'd say the 3 beds will be about 450-475k and 500+ for the 4 beds

Mari123

We were also at Opening evening for these houses this evening. We were told between 405 k and 420 k for 3 bed. They did also say don't let price turn you off as they couldn't confirm till September.

68 lost souls

Mari123 wrote: »

We were also at Opening evening for these houses this evening. We were told between 405 k and 420 k for 3 bed. They did also say don't let price turn you off as they couldn't confirm till September.

Where did you hear about the open evening I registered interest and heard nothing?

Mari123

We also registered interest and received an email about an information evening with sherry Fitz. There is another information evening on this evening between 5-7 pm. You can pop in anytime before 7 pm. I'm not sure exact location for this evening as it's different to yesterday, I think it's Dundrum, you may need to ring them to confirm location and inform them that you plan to attend.

powerstar

This is the address for today's open evening

Sherry FitzGerald Dundrum


Date: Wed 15 June, 2016 from 5:00 PMto 7:00 PM


Location: 6 Main Street, Dundrum





But you need to register with them, Just call Dundrum Office.

68 lost souls

Thanks for the info. I'm seriously annoyed at them for not contacting me. We have mortgage approval and everything, just hoping now that this isnt happening with other developments we have registered interest in.

youcancallmeal

They also didn't have any info when any subsequent waves of houses would be ready. They did say they expected the development to be fully completed in about 5 years. Seems like quite a long time to be living there and building going on around you.

youcancallmeal

68 lost souls wrote: »

Thanks for the info. I'm seriously annoyed at them for not contacting me. We have mortgage approval and everything, just hoping now that this isnt happening with other developments we have registered interest in.

Yeah they seem to be a bit hit or miss, I got an email from them about the open evening but my wife didn't even though we both registered interest?

REFLINE1

68 lost souls wrote: »

Thanks for the info. I'm seriously annoyed at them for not contacting me. We have mortgage approval and everything, just hoping now that this isnt happening with other developments we have registered interest in.

check your spam folder, thats where mine went!

Squeak1983

Hi all, does anyone have any pricing info on the 2 bedroom houses? I think these will be available in the second phase. We were told the 3 bed terraced houses will be 405k in phase 1.

notkenny

Squeak1983 wrote: »

Hi all, does anyone have any pricing info on the 2 bedroom houses? I think these will be available in the second phase. We were told the 3 bed terraced houses will be 405k in phase 1.

Hi, Where did you get the pricing info for 3 bed houses ( 405).

Squeak1983

Hi Sherry Fitzgerald gave us this rough guide price for 3 bed terraced in phase1. They said the final prices will be announced at the launch of the first phase in Sept

REFLINE1

more expensive than i thought if thats the starting price for terraced.
they seem to be making good progress on site, not sure im mad about the layouts ive seen so far from the road.The timber frame build a concern also for me.

notkenny

Yeah, they are expensive if 405 for terraced houses.

Theboinkmaster

notkenny wrote: »

Yeah, they are expensive if 405 for terraced houses.

Trying to trade on the Rathfarnham name but obviously nowhere near Rathfarnham.

Even the google maps page on myhome shows it as Knocklyn.

REFLINE1

Personally think they will struggle with that price range. maybe im underestimating the demand.

Michael D Not Higgins

Theboinkmaster wrote: »

Trying to trade on the Rathfarnham name but obviously nowhere near Rathfarnham.

Even the google maps page on myhome shows it as Knocklyn.

It's opposite Boden Park, so if anywhere it's Ballyboden. You wouldn't want to get off the bus at Rathfarnham if lived there though.

68 lost souls

Is this the exact area of development?

https://www.google.ie/maps/place/Boden+Park,+Dublin/@53.278982,-6.3065255,294m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x48670ba4c46165f5:0x2600c7a7bab45e51!8m2!3d53.281382!4d-6.3027342?hl=en

seamus

Theboinkmaster wrote: »

Trying to trade on the Rathfarnham name but obviously nowhere near Rathfarnham.

Even the google maps page on myhome shows it as Knocklyn.

It's definitely part of Rathfarnham. It's on the border, but undoubtedly in there. That area along the Scholarstown road has never been part of Knocklyon; like most areas along the eastern edge, they never tried to assimilate themselves into the ever-growing Knocklyon area.

Theboinkmaster

seamus wrote: »

It's definitely part of Rathfarnham

Only on a technicality - it's nowhere near central rathfarnham hence why it's d16 and much cheaper than actual rathfarnham prices.

all you have to do is look at a map to realise where it really is.

youcancallmeal

notkenny wrote: »

Yeah, they are expensive if 405 for terraced houses.

From what I remember phase 1 is only about 30 houses and that is split up between 4/5 different models from 3 bed terraced up to 5 bed detached so with that mix they'll probably sell them all easy enough I'd say.

68 lost souls wrote: »

Is this the exact area of development?

https://www.google.ie/maps/place/Boden+Park,+Dublin/@53.278982,-6.3065255,294m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x48670ba4c46165f5:0x2600c7a7bab45e51!8m2!3d53.281382!4d-6.3027342?hl=en

Yes that's it.

seamus wrote: »

It's definitely part of Rathfarnham. It's on the border, but undoubtedly in there. That area along the Scholarstown road has never been part of Knocklyon; like most areas along the eastern edge, they never tried to assimilate themselves into the ever-growing Knocklyon area.

Actual physical locations of a lot of these new estates are becoming irrelevant as developers appear to just pick whatever address nearby is most sought after at the time of sale. It usually sticks and it seems even in some cases traditional parish boundaries change to accommodate it (i.e. Woodstown in Knocklyon but really it's Ballycullen)

seamus

Theboinkmaster wrote: »

Only on a technicality - it's nowhere near central rathfarnham hence why it's d16 and much cheaper than actual rathfarnham prices.

all you have to do is look at a map to realise where it really is.

A technicality that's a few hundred years old though. If you look at the old townland maps, that piece of land was always part of Rathfarnham. Drift occurs all the time; some places that we consider quintessentially Rathfarnham - Marlay Park, St. Enda's - have only been renamed into Rathfarnham relatively recently.

All of the land bordering Stocking Lane is generally considered Rathfarnham, but it never was, it was originally Whitechurch.

While I agree that using Rathfarnham is a way to give more "prestige" than just "Scholarstown Wood, Dublin 16", of all places that have claimed it in the past, this area has a perfectly legitimate claim to it.

Theboinkmaster

seamus wrote: »

A technicality that's a few hundred years old though. If you look at the old townland maps, that piece of land was always part of Rathfarnham. Drift occurs all the time; some places that we consider quintessentially Rathfarnham - Marlay Park, St. Enda's - have only been renamed into Rathfarnham relatively recently.

All of the land bordering Stocking Lane is generally considered Rathfarnham, but it never was, it was originally Whitechurch.

While I agree that using Rathfarnham is a way to give more "prestige" than just "Scholarstown Wood, Dublin 16", of all places that have claimed it in the past, this area has a perfectly legitimate claim to it.

Inhabitants of Scholarstown Wood can setup a support group with those in Grange Hill :cool:

REFLINE1

Showhouse viewing in next week or so according to the EA yesterday, 3 beds starting @ 450,000

youcancallmeal

REFLINE1 wrote: »

Showhouse viewing in next week or so according to the EA yesterday, 3 beds starting @ 450,000

Yeah heard that, 455k for 3 bed terrace and 570k for 4 bed semi-d. No price for the 3 bed semi-d but probably close to 500k. Very high prices considering 455k would easily get you a 4 bed semi-d in old Knocklyon. Having said that they are supposedly well built and well kitted out inside so they'll still probably sell no problem.

Theboinkmaster

youcancallmeal wrote: »

570k for 4 bed semi-d.

I think that's a scandalous price considering last year college square new builds 2 storey 4 bed semi Ds (1,650 sq ft) were going for €650k and built to a very high standard. Yes they were the edge of Terenure so closer to kimmage/templeogue but considering how much closer they are to the city...

REFLINE1

Mad money, no way there worth that imo given some of the other options nearby. There effectively same price as Hazelbrook square churchtown, which is a far superior location IMO.

Timber frame build as well which is another negative for me- IM OUT!

nomes311

Crazy prices...for the area, sq foot and look of the houses. It's a disgrace...I hope people see sense and refuse to pay these prices. A bit of sense needed.

whiteorchid

Have been looking in area for a while. Think houses in estates like prospect manor would be a far better buy. All have decent gardens well established mature estate. Have great size rooms downstairs and they feel a lot more private. But haven't seen any on market for a while . 4 beds here usually less than 500 k

youcancallmeal

I'd love to know the reasoning of someone who will buy one of the 3 bed terraced houses for 455k!? They'll probably all be buy to lets

Pose Nicker

'Personally think they will struggle with that price range. maybe im underestimating the demand'

I would love to know what planet this poster and others are on!

Scholarstown Wood, especially the 2/3/4 beds will sell out off the plans, pitching a price of 460-480K for a three-bed semi (depending on garden size/location) enusures that for some this will represent a bargain, an address inside the M50 for less than 500K, close to Rathfarnham D14, decent schools, short hop to the city centre (there's a bus stop at the estate entrance) etc. etc. etc. Issues such as timber frame and density are irrelevant when you have one of the biggest housing shortages in history, and a developer builds an estate on one of most expensive parts of the most expensive towns in the country.

The children of residents from Templeogue, Knocklyon, Rathfarnham, Churchtown, Milltown, Donnybrook, Harold's Cross, Leopardstown, Stillorgan, Dundrum, Rathgar, Rathmines and all accross the southside of the city will pounce on these properties. Only a few in Phase 3 (if there is one) with bad locations and/or small gardens will go to 'buy to let'.

I live beside the development, and there is an unending stream of rubber neckers watching the houses go up. Downsizers and upsizers (from aparts) just in Knocklyon alone will account for a huge number of sales, if they had granted the original pre-crash Planning Permission for 640 dwellings, it would still sell out rapidly.

Do I want another development on my doorstep, probably not, but good luck to the developers (Regency), and to the new owners who have had almost no choices over the last 8 years.

Come on people, get real!

nomes311

Pose Nicker wrote: »

'Personally think they will struggle with that price range. maybe im underestimating the demand'

I would love to know what planet this poster and others are on!

Scholarstown Wood, especially the 2/3/4 beds will sell out off the plans, pitching a price of 460-480K for a three-bed semi (depending on garden size/location) enusures that for some this will represent a bargain, an address inside the M50 for less than 500K, close to Rathfarnham D14, decent schools, short hop to the city centre (there's a bus stop at the estate entrance) etc. etc. etc. Issues such as timber frame and density are irrelevant when you have one of the biggest housing shortages in history, and a developer builds an estate on one of most expensive parts of the most expensive towns in the country.

The children of residents from Templeogue, Knocklyon, Rathfarnham, Churchtown, Milltown, Donnybrook, Harold's Cross, Leopardstown, Stillorgan, Dundrum, Rathgar, Rathmines and all accross the southside of the city will pounce on these properties. Only a few in Phase 3 (if there is one) with bad locations and/or small gardens will go to 'buy to let'.

I live beside the development, and there is an unending stream of rubber neckers watching the houses go up. Downsizers and upsizers (from aparts) just in Knocklyon alone will account for a huge number of sales, if they had granted the original pre-crash Planning Permission for 640 dwellings, it would still sell out rapidly.

Do I want another development on my doorstep, probably not, but good luck to the developers (Regency), and to the new owners who have had almost no choices over the last 8 years.

Come on people, get real!

You must work for the builders or Sherry Fitz 😂

asteroids over berlin

Jeez really expensive, personally i would buy a used house instead and renovate