General Elections. The Constituency of Tipperary

danganabu · 10-11-2015 6:43pm

tipptom wrote: »

[/B] Who is the jumped up local councillor you are talking about and where have I said he has contributed more.

What has Kenny or Gilmore contributed to this state with all the power they had and the disgraceful amount of years they have being languishing in our parliament while all that time Kenny stopped a teacher getting a full time job.
An embarrassment of a Taoisigh with every one of his utterances and a lame duck Taoisigh forever compromised by a corrupt buisnesman.

If Fg have any sense they should jettison him for Varadkar before the election.

I was referring to Mattie McGrath and apologies I was reading your'e and Tippjohn's posts as being from the same poster.

Enda Kenny has an uncanny knack of putting his foot in it and speaking without thinking but I would not for one second accuse him of being in any way corrupt and considering his predecessors I would find it very hard to class him as an embarrassment in comparison.

Mattie McGrath who this whole debate began around on the other hand, is all waffle and no action, he jumped ship from the sinking wreckage of Fianna Fail like a rat and his only memorable contribution outside of local gombeen politics was when he tried to justify drink driving.

Tippjohn · 10-11-2015 7:52pm

Out of interest have you ever met MM? Edna has no need to be criminally corrupt, he has had whatever he wants given to him for 40+ years. I don't think anyone could seriously say that the present cabinet has done anything but oppress the people of this country and waste money. Just think if IW ( which was not an eu dictate despite them pretending it was) resources had gone into health.
I gave T Hayes my first preference and admit to being a fool.

Expunge · 10-11-2015 8:05pm

It should be noted that for around 30 (or maybe more) of Enda Kenny's 40 years as an elected TD, he carried on the same way as all parish pump backbenchers. Apart from a stint as Minister for Trade and Tourism in the '90s, his record is unremarkable.

It is said that even today as Taoiseach, his first call of a working day is to check with constituency office in Castlebar. As far as I'm aware (and I'm open to correction on this), he's no different to Cowen, Ahern, Jack Lynch etc.

My point is that Mattie, Lowry, Alan Kelly et al do what needs to be done in the constraints of the System - and do it well.
And that is what (most of) the voters seem to want.
To have a chance of being elected around here, that's simply what has to be done.

It should also be noted that every time one of these County Councillors on Steroids (cause that's largely all they are) makes a representation to the HSE, VEC, Social Welfare - they are, in effect, having someone bumped down a list to bump someone else up, deserved or not.

This modus operandi also causes massive headaches to those working in these institutions - most of them trying to do their best.

That's what we have as a system and people give out about it but, ultimately, they like it for all their noise about it.

danganabu · 11-11-2015 2:41pm

Tippjohn wrote: »

Out of interest have you ever met MM? Edna has no need to be criminally corrupt, he has had whatever he wants given to him for 40+ years. I don't think anyone could seriously say that the present cabinet has done anything but oppress the people of this country and waste money. Just think if IW ( which was not an eu dictate despite them pretending it was) resources had gone into health.
I gave T Hayes my first preference and admit to being a fool.

Yes I have had the 'pleasure' of meeting him, wasn't very impressed to be perfectly honest, my initial opinion and haven't seen anything since to change it, was of a reasonably nice friendly man on but from a political perspective all cliches and bluster, no substance what so ever to anything he says and basically a PR machine. Off course he is hardly alone in this regard in Irish politics.

Have no idea where you are getting that re Kenny having everything handed to him for 40 plus years, he was a political insignificance for a huge part of his career, like Mr McGrath is now and will remain.

I would say that the current cabinet have done much more than oppress the people of this country and waste money and even as someone who has never voted for either party or any of there candidates I freely admit they have done reasonably well contributed plenty of positives in a time when the country was at an extremely low ebb as a result of the previous cabinets incompetence and frugality.

I do agree with you regarding the political landscape of the country as a whole and the one up manship that just basically means someone else is suffering as a result of favours and backhanders, as unfortunate as this is though I don't think its any better in nay other country and is far worse in a lot of them.

I have given my first preference to Mr Lowry the last number of elections and like you admit to being a fool for doing so!! Unfortunately owing to the neglect of our current incumbents I have along with a few thousand other Tipperary folk been discarded to Offaly, and I for one will be refusing to vote in a constituency that has fcuk all to do with me or will do fcuk all for me, North West Tipp has effectively become the residence of migrants, the Gaza Strip of the Irish political landscape and its a bloody disgrace that it was allowed happen with out as much as a debate.

Tippjohn · 11-11-2015 3:50pm

All I know is that when I had some issues, MM raised them in the Dail for me. I just see MM & SH as being active people and at least relating to any one who needs their help.
Of course it is difficult for them to achieve much as they are independent.
PMs questions today was, as usual, an embaressment to the country.
I was not aware that part of Tipp is now Offaly. Incredible.
Still similar things happened in England with boundary changes and whole counties dissapearing. Shameful ethnic cleansing.
I do despair that this country can ever recover. I cannot see it happening with all concerned kowtowing to the EU. 95% of them probably not knowing who, what or where we are.
My reference to Kenny is that he is cradle to grave public servant who has always had pay and is looking forward to a massive reward.
MM does at least know the reality of having to obtain work and pay staff or fall.

Expunge · 11-11-2015 4:12pm

A great part of West Waterford has for years been in the Tipp South constituency. It has only just been returned to Waterford. This shovelling of bits of counties to and fro has always been happening.

Acutally, this is one of Deputy McGrath's great challenges this time as plenty of his voters from just past the Convent Bridge, into Kilmacomma, Kilmanahan, Fourmilewater etc. are no longer in a position to vote for him.

Tippjohn · 11-11-2015 4:15pm

I am now better informed. They slipped that past me.

danganabu · 11-11-2015 5:23pm

Tippjohn wrote: »

I am now better informed. They slipped that past me.

I wouldn't worry about it, it seemed to have slipped by our elected representatives as well!!

tipptom · 11-11-2015 10:51pm

danganabu wrote: »

Yes I have had the 'pleasure' of meeting him, wasn't very impressed to be perfectly honest, my initial opinion and haven't seen anything since to change it, was of a reasonably nice friendly man on but from a political perspective all cliches and bluster, no substance what so ever to anything he says and basically a PR machine. Off course he is hardly alone in this regard in Irish politics.

Have no idea where you are getting that re Kenny having everything handed to him for 40 plus years, he was a political insignificance for a huge part of his career, like Mr McGrath is now and will remain.

I would say that the current cabinet have done much more than oppress the people of this country and waste money and even as someone who has never voted for either party or any of there candidates I freely admit they have done reasonably well contributed plenty of positives in a time when the country was at an extremely low ebb as a result of the previous cabinets incompetence and frugality.

I do agree with you regarding the political landscape of the country as a whole and the one up manship that just basically means someone else is suffering as a result of favours and backhanders, as unfortunate as this is though I don't think its any better in nay other country and is far worse in a lot of them.

I have given my first preference to Mr Lowry the last number of elections and like you admit to being a fool for doing so!! Unfortunately owing to the neglect of our current incumbents I have along with a few thousand other Tipperary folk been discarded to Offaly, and I for one will be refusing to vote in a constituency that has fcuk all to do with me or will do fcuk all for me, North West Tipp has effectively become the residence of migrants, the Gaza Strip of the Irish political landscape and its a bloody disgrace that it was allowed happen with out as much as a debate.

I have visions Mr and Mrs Danganabu raging an intifada running around a smoke filled North West Tipp with sling shots but hope is at hand now that you can have a vote to keep the Cowen dynasty in place.

Tippjohn · 12-11-2015 12:39am

The great thing about N Tipp and S Tipp being one big Tipp:-) Is that they both have been spending their money as fast as possible to stop the other end using it. Every cockamamy road scheme under the sun. Gutters in cahir, an Island in Ballyclerihan ( a village that is spelt differently on each road sign of the three ways in) An Island and cycle track for the Clonmel by pass which is used mainly for sulky racing etc etc etc. All where the traffic is slow, yet where there is a clear fast road the surface is poor.

digzy · 17-11-2015 12:06am

Anyone at the vb thing tonight?

jem · 17-11-2015 10:56am

yep.
Only TD's to turn up were healy and mcGrath.
All other non TD canidates turned up.
Guess AK47 must have run from the firing line.

Clonmel1000 · 17-11-2015 11:03am

Tippjohn wrote: »

The great thing about N Tipp and S Tipp being one big Tipp:-) Is that they both have been spending their money as fast as possible to stop the other end using it. Every cockamamy road scheme under the sun. Gutters in cahir, an Island in Ballyclerihan ( a village that is spelt differently on each road sign of the three ways in) An Island and cycle track for the Clonmel by pass which is used mainly for sulky racing etc etc etc. All where the traffic is slow, yet where there is a clear fast road the surface is poor.

The cycle track in Clobmel is used and enjoyed by walkers runners and cyclists. Have never ever seen sulky racing on the track itself.

Tippjohn · 17-11-2015 11:56am

It may be my poor English " clonmel by pass which is used mainly for sulky racing" There is no increase in walking or cycling, I would consider that the cycle track actually makes it dangerous for walkers. My point was that money is squandered on gimmicks when the roads in general are poor. Look at the road from Cahir to Clonmel. All white lines and bends. A main artery that is a tractors dream :-)

touts · 17-11-2015 12:31pm

Tippjohn wrote: »

It may be my poor English " clonmel by pass which is used mainly for sulky racing" There is no increase in walking or cycling, I would consider that the cycle track actually makes it dangerous for walkers. My point was that money is squandered on gimmicks when the roads in general are poor. Look at the road from Cahir to Clonmel. All white lines and bends. A main artery that is a tractors dream :-)

Walkers shouldn't be walking on the cycle track precisely because it is dangerous. They are supposed to stay on the walking path beside it.

As to the cost issue well the investment along there would not have paid for more than a couple of meters of Cahir-Clonmel road to be upgraded and it probably came from a different budget anyway.

touts · 17-11-2015 12:36pm

jem wrote: »

yep.
Only TD's to turn up were healy and mcGrath.
All other non TD canidates turned up.
Guess AK47 must have run from the firing line.

Only Healy & McGrath. That's shocking but don't expect anything better from Kelly, Hayes from Coonan. Answering questions from the public isn't exactly their favourite thing to do. And didn't they know they should have put the invitation to Lowry in a brown envelope and slipped it under his back door.

Tippjohn · 17-11-2015 12:37pm

We will have to differ, the time it took reflects a huge cost. It changed nothing in reality. I would rather it had gone to STGH but there we are, a budget that had to be spent.

Clonmel1000 · 17-11-2015 12:43pm

Tippjohn wrote: »

It may be my poor English " clonmel by pass which is used mainly for sulky racing" There is no increase in walking or cycling, I would consider that the cycle track actually makes it dangerous for walkers. My point was that money is squandered on gimmicks when the roads in general are poor. Look at the road from Cahir to Clonmel. All white lines and bends. A main artery that is a tractors dream :-)

Are you serious or just taken the mickey here? The cost if installing the cycle/walking track would be miniscule compared to upgrading the road. By the way 75% of the road to Cahir I above average National Primary non motorway standard. Even allowing for this I passed along the inner relief road about 30 minutes ago in miserable heavy rain. I saw half a dozen walkers and a similar amount of joggers using the walkway. Furthermore the cycle track I for cyclists not walkers so not sure what point your making here. The problem as I see it particularly in South Tipp and Clonmel is that we have elected 2 hardworking ci councillors to our parliament neither of whom have any clout nationally and operate on a very negative agenda. I know both TDs quite well and both are very personable affable fellows but.....

Tippjohn · 17-11-2015 8:04pm

Who is talking about upgrading the road. I am talking about repairs. It is the main East West road and is quite frankly not suitable for purpose. Just did Clonmel to Cahir at 35 mph with dozens of others due to a slow vehicle. The whole route is designed to infuriate and bring out the worst in drivers.

Clonmel1000 · 17-11-2015 8:08pm

Tippjohn wrote: »

Who is talking about upgrading the road. I am talking about repairs. It is the main East West road and is quite frankly not suitable for purpose. Just did Clonmel to Cahir at 35 mph with dozens of others due to a slow vehicle. The whole route is designed to infuriate and bring out the worst in drivers.

Drive this road daily. Busy road bad bits but loads of good stretches.

Xenophile · 17-11-2015 9:20pm

jem wrote: »

yep.
Only TD's to turn up were healy and mcGrath.
All other non TD canidates turned up.
Guess AK47 must have run from the firing line.

Reassuring to know that most of the TD’s in Tipperary are intelligent and have enough self esteem not to appear at the VB meeting only to be gratuitously insulted by Vincent Browne. I am sure that they felt a lot more satisfied staying at home watching and enjoying a great win by the Irish Football Team.

As regards AK 47 this was never designed for the firing line. Alan Kelly is proving to be a great street fighter, his nick name is a good one for someone who tells it as it is and shoots from the hip.

I wonder if he will be allowed to use his nick name on the ballot paper, as name recognition is very important in politics.

realdanbreen · 18-11-2015 9:39am

touts wrote: »

Only Healy & McGrath. That's shocking but don't expect anything better from Kelly, Hayes from Coonan. Answering questions from the public isn't exactly their favourite thing to do. And didn't they know they should have put the invitation to Lowry in a brown envelope and slipped it under his back door.

Why should a TD be obliged to turn up and have Browne ask a series of simplistic questions? Browne insults and ridicules his guests and then feigns surprise when most sitting TD's won't appear on his show. BTW Michael Lowry has done more than most for Tipp down through the years but do you think VB would recognise that? no way, there would'nt be any viewer ratings in that, better the cheap shot, it's been his modus operandi down through the years.

touts · 18-11-2015 9:42am

realdanbreen wrote: »

Why should a TD be obliged to turn up and have Browne ask a series of simplistic questions? Browne insults and ridicules his guests and then feigns surprise when most sitting TD's won't appear on his show. BTW Michael Lowry has done more than most for Tipp down through the years but do you think VB would recognise that? no way, there would'nt be any viewer ratings in that, better the cheap shot, it's been his modus operandi down through the years.

Well I think the main reason Lowry won't be interviewed has more to do with his "modus operandi" while a minister.

realdanbreen · 18-11-2015 9:59am

touts wrote: »

Well I think the main reason Lowry won't be interviewed has more to do with his "modus operandi" while a minister.

You don't top the poll as Lowry has done without doing something right. Anyway going in and being all submissive to Browne would'nt be Lowry's style, he would have decked him before he got to his first of many ad breaks.

touts · 18-11-2015 10:08am

realdanbreen wrote: »

You don't top the poll as Lowry has done without doing something right. Anyway going in and being all submissive to Browne would'nt be Lowry's style, he would have decked him before he got to his first of many ad breaks.

Lowry tops the poll because he is a very active glorified County Councillor. As a national politician he is, to quote the findings of the Moriarity Tribunal, “profoundly corrupt to a degree that was nothing short of breath-taking”. In another country he would be finishing his lengthy prison sentence about now. But in Ireland he's looking forward to coasting into another 5 years of pension building.

realdanbreen · 18-11-2015 11:00am

touts wrote: »

Lowry tops the poll because he is a very active glorified County Councillor. As a national politician he is, to quote the findings of the Moriarity Tribunal, “profoundly corrupt to a degree that was nothing short of breath-taking”. In another country he would be finishing his lengthy prison sentence about now. But in Ireland he's looking forward to coasting into another 5 years of pension building.

So who are you supporting in the election?

jem · 18-11-2015 11:07am

Xenophile wrote: »

Reassuring to know that most of the TD’s in Tipperary are intelligent and have enough self esteem not to appear at the VB meeting only to be gratuitously insulted by Vincent Browne. I am sure that they felt a lot more satisfied staying at home watching and enjoying a great win by the Irish Football Team.

What about the approx 600 ordinary Tipperary voters who turned up to ask questions/ listen to a debate with them. Showed total disregard for the people.
Also VB stated at least 4 times that they had moved it to facilitate AK and he said he would be there only sending a message the night before(Sunday) that he wasn't attending.
I personally think it showed real fear by those that didn't turn up

Xenophile wrote: »

As regards AK 47 this was never designed for the firing line. Alan Kelly is proving to be a great street fighter, his nick name is a good one for someone who tells it as it is and shoots from the hip.

One of the things about a AK47 is "Every time it is disassembled beyond the field stripping stage, it will take some time for some parts to regain their fit, some parts may tend to shake loose and fall out when firing the weapon. "

In AKellys case The ordinary people and the homeless are the bits that shake loose and fall out.

Xenophile wrote: »

I wonder if he will be allowed to use his nick name on the ballot paper, as name recognition is very important in politics.

Remember a real nick name is not one that you give yourself. Kelly did as he thinks its cool.

Tippjohn · 18-11-2015 11:43am

Ha Ha, AK47 the easiest auto rifle to strip, although it never needs stripping. I digress.
Yes we do have a problem in Tipp, so has every other county. To get to be a TD takes time and they are either dinosaurs in the 20th century or glorified children in the 21st.
It is the one position that needs no qualification. It seems that those from a Public sector background use it for their own agenda and that those from the private sector do the same.
MM & SH do their best but cannot form a government, unless there is some sort of wonderful party proposed that they would all agree with.
Even they fall out at times.
Direct Democracy has a good manifesto that is beyond most votors.
T Hayes has used his position to more than assist his livelyhood as a farmer, at the expense of others increased taxes.
Lowry's lack of ability needs no explanation. Kelly, well got his rag through the door, hillarious if it was not a serious matter.
Let us be honest, we are a rural backwater and will remain such, subject to a few crumbs thrown from the capitol, part paid for by our contributions to a system of Government that is based on unpunished corruption.
If anyone can suggest a viable leader down this way I am open to suggestions.
Oh Yes, Vincent Browne is a media chancer, nothing on his programme is ever represented properly. It is entertainment for the masses.
A bit like fast food, seems a good idea at the time but its only brief lasting moment is discomfort.

touts · 18-11-2015 11:57am

realdanbreen wrote: »

So who are you supporting in the election?

Haven't decided. Will look at the manifestos and see. Definitely not giving a preference to Lowry or Sinn Fein as they are gangsters. Beyond that I'm not impressed with the quality of any candidate so will have to think about who I give my 1, 2, 3, etc to.

However as I've maintained throughout this thread I believe Lowry will top the poll. I can't bring myself to vote for him but he will coast in probably on the first count.

touts · 18-11-2015 12:00pm

Tippjohn wrote: »

Ha Ha, AK47 the easiest auto rifle to strip, although it never needs stripping. I digress.
Yes we do have a problem in Tipp, so has every other county. To get to be a TD takes time and they are either dinosaurs in the 20th century or glorified children in the 21st.
It is the one position that needs no qualification. It seems that those from a Public sector background use it for their own agenda and that those from the private sector do the same.
MM & SH do their best but cannot form a government, unless there is some sort of wonderful party proposed that they would all agree with.
Even they fall out at times.
Direct Democracy has a good manifesto that is beyond most votors.
T Hayes has used his position to more than assist his livelyhood as a farmer, at the expense of others increased taxes.
Lowry's lack of ability needs no explanation. Kelly, well got his rag through the door, hillarious if it was not a serious matter.
Let us be honest, we are a rural backwater and will remain such, subject to a few crumbs thrown from the capitol, part paid for by our contributions to a system of Government that is based on unpunished corruption.
If anyone can suggest a viable leader down this way I am open to suggestions.
Oh Yes, Vincent Browne is a media chancer, nothing on his programme is ever represented properly. It is entertainment for the masses.
A bit like fast food, seems a good idea at the time but its only brief lasting moment is discomfort.

Are Direct Democracy running a candidate in Tipperary?

Tippjohn · 18-11-2015 12:40pm

DD Candidate, I don't know, will try and find out. I listened to their manifesto which was very sensible. The had candidates in the local elections that got nowhere. I guess people are still fighting the civil war.

Tippjohn · 18-11-2015 12:54pm

It would seem 6 so far. I would hope there would be one in every county. Their website is simple enough, as are their principles. All a bit too sensible so will not appeal to die hard FF FG SF followers.

touts · 18-11-2015 1:20pm

Tippjohn wrote: »

It would seem 6 so far. I would hope there would be one in every county. Their website is simple enough, as are their principles. All a bit too sensible so will not appeal to die hard FF FG SF followers.

They are all about reviews and investigations and consultations. That's all well and good but they aren't actually saying anything about running the country. No policy on health, education, welfare, justice etc. The only thing they do propose that isn't a review is to introduce Direct Democracy where everyone votes on government policy and that is like something from a primary school civics class. The idea of everyone having a say and vote on every issue sounds great to a 12 year old but once you think about how that would work in practice it's impossible. That's why DDI's website says nothing about how it would work just that they would introduce it. I suppose if you have 3 million people voting in the Dail every night you don't need to tell them what you stand for as what they stand for is what gets done.

I think they are probably well meaning (although some of their links to conservative right are worrying) but childlike is the word that sprung to mind reading their website.

Tippjohn · 18-11-2015 2:03pm

Do not forget they are attempting this with little financial support. The old parties are awash with money.

Xenophile · 18-11-2015 2:51pm

jem wrote: »

What about the approx 600 ordinary Tipperary voters who turned up to ask questions/ listen to a debate ..........

Remember a real nick name is not one that you give yourself. Kelly did as he thinks its cool.

The "ordinary" people, if they have been watching Vincent Browne over the last few years should know what to expect.

Secondly give me the proof that he assigned this nick name to himself, it is my understanding that this nick name was given to him by the media!

tipptom · 18-11-2015 4:29pm

Xenophile wrote: »

The "ordinary" people, if they have been watching Vincent Browne over the last few years should know what to expect.

Secondly give me the proof that he assigned this nick name to himself, it is my understanding that this nick name was given to him by the media!

Who would you mean by ordinary people?

Shocking that a minister in this constituency whose seat is in serious jeopardy would not would take the opportunity to answer his constituent's, Labour(was it Labour supporters he feared?) and otherwise and other political opponents.

I remember a time when TDs would face up to people no matter what their politics were but I could excuse ML in this instance because I would not fancy being on a programme where it could be said that he was "corrupt beyond belief" without fear of a libel.

18-11-2015 5:54pm

tipptom wrote: »

Shocking that a minister in this constituency whose seat is in serious jeopardy would not would take the opportunity to answer his constituent's, Labour(was it Labour supporters he feared?) and otherwise and other political opponents.

It is to his credit that he avoided the carnival that is Brownes "Peoples Debates" They are for entertainment, and not for debate.

jem · 18-11-2015 6:08pm

Deleted User wrote: »

It is to his credit that he avoided the carnival that is Brownes "Peoples Debates" They are for entertainment, and not for debate.

No it isn't it showed lack of ##### that he wouldn't go in front of the voters in attendance. He knew he would get a hard time and ran away.
It had been moved a number of times ( according to VB) to a date that would suit him. He said he would be there and chickened out the night before.
He disrespected all the people who drove to Clonmel.

Xenophile · 18-11-2015 7:46pm

tipptom wrote: »

Who would you mean by ordinary people?

Same context as your friend Jem as used in his post number #228. Notice you did not take him to task. Also you misquoted me by not using inverted commas around the word "ordinary" as I did.

18-11-2015 9:33pm

AK= Arrogant Kelly...I hope the 47 is the number of votes he gets!

digzy · 18-11-2015 11:40pm

This vb thing ir ridiculous. Basically all the people speaking are only talking about mental health issues and it's on over half an hour now....

tipptom · 19-11-2015 12:10pm

Xenophile wrote: »

Same context as your friend Jem as used in his post number #228. Notice you did not take him to task. Also you misquoted me by not using inverted commas around the word "ordinary" as I did.

Your "ordinary people"was inferring that anybody turning up to the debate was not ordinary because of your views of VBs programme that does not pander to the Gov partys and would be to low rent for you.

As it happened the only low rent crowd who turned up were the FG supporters shouting and roaring and trying to stifle any debate in the absence of their own cowardly junior minister and coalition partner minister turning up to put their views forward.

Felt very sorry for that FG lady councillor who had the guts to turn up and put her party and coalition record forward gracefully and I think the debaters and the host recognised this and protected her very well in her isolation in view of the fact that her colleagues had not the guts to do the same.

If she is running she will get a tick form me on the strength of that alone.

19-11-2015 12:29pm

tipptom wrote: »

If she is running she will get a tick form me on the strength of that alone.

Which is the only reason she turned up!

tipptom · 19-11-2015 1:10pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Which is the only reason she turned up!

Well,that may be the case,may be not, but she had the guts to turn up and debate their policys and that is an admirable quality IMO and its another good reason why we should be more represented in our parliament by women who have backbone and are willing to face the people unlike her brave male colleagues.

Xenophile · 19-11-2015 4:02pm

Just look at what you may have missed!

http://www.thejournal.ie/vincent-browne-podge-and-rodge-2451477-Nov2015/

jem · 19-11-2015 4:17pm

Have no love for Mattie but S Healy looked like someone who is under pressure in the polls and went on the attack against a fellow Independent.
The performance of a Cahir FG supporter was desperate , he shouted and shouted at all the candidates there( except the FG woman)

Tippjohn · 19-11-2015 4:40pm

Thanks for the link, hillarious, if only his mind could slow down to match his mouth to. However having met him man times I did ask him how he could stand the gobs****s in Government who he had to attempt to question. " With great difficulty, very frustrating"

tipptom · 19-11-2015 5:01pm

jem wrote: »

Have no love for Mattie but S Healy looked like someone who is under pressure in the polls and went on the attack against a fellow Independent.
The performance of a Cahir FG supporter was desperate , he shouted and shouted at all the candidates there( except the FG woman)

Did something happen before they went on-air with them that there had to be pre promises made that they would not disrupt the programme.

jem · 19-11-2015 5:32pm

tipptom wrote: »

Did something happen before they went on-air with them that there had to be pre promises made that they would not disrupt the programme.

Apparently that is standard and he asks everyone not to heckle and be disruptive before the show starts.

tipptom · 19-11-2015 5:59pm

Xenophile wrote: »

Just look at what you may have missed!

http://www.thejournal.ie/vincent-browne-podge-and-rodge-2451477-Nov2015/

Podge and Rog turned up but the Tin man and the cowardly lion were afraid.

General Elections. The Constituency of Tipperary

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