Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee poll not working - pl ignore

kneemos · 09-06-2018 9:30pm

EdgeCase wrote: »

BBC spent 1bn on that building refurb...

Channel 4 news is also a bit more than a few chairs

https://www.channel4.com/news/channel-4-news-moves-into-pioneering-new-studio

Looks like a table and a few chairs to me.
Unless there's something there I can't see.

Thinkingaboutit · 09-06-2018 9:34pm

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

RTÉ have a new show starting next week about how people reacted to being interviewed by Gay Byrne on an RTÉ show!

This is the future people. Embrace it.

Yet another RTÉ show that’s main focus is another RTÉ show.

It's all self generating, they're celebs if they're on RTÉ, so all they need do is interview each other, which they do already.

It's weird, they seem to act like everyone has just them on the TV down the country. Saorview, Virgin and Sky don't exist. They live in a time warp, even if they pretend to live in the 21st century. I mean there is zero justification for the sheer volume of imported programming. They can do excellent series, or commission quality programming. And the presenter salaries would not really be justified if the population had an extra zero, for this country it's insane. A TV presenter doesn't earn, I mean deserve, the salary of a CEO or President, both of whom would often be paid less.

jippo nolan wrote: »

Another payout for “uncle Gaybo”

I hope an accountant doesn't rob it on him again.

AndyBoBandy · 10-06-2018 12:39am

Thinkingaboutit wrote: »

It's weird, they seem to act like everyone has just them on the TV down the country. Saorview, Virgin and Sky don't exist. They live in a time warp, even if they pretend to live in the 21st century. I mean there is zero justification for the sheer volume of imported programming. They can do excellent series, or commission quality programming. And the presenter salaries would not really be justified if the population had an extra zero, for this country it's insane. A TV presenter doesn't earn, I mean deserve, the salary of a CEO or President, both of whom would often be paid less.

RTÉ: yeah, let’s pay loads to show Eastenders at the same time the BBC show it, but with a commercial break in the middle...

fritzelly · 10-06-2018 12:44am

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

RTÉ: yeah, let’s pay loads to show Eastenders at the same time the BBC show it, but with a commercial break in the middle...

Shhh, there's a few people in the bogs that can only get Irish stations so money well spent

EdgeCase · 10-06-2018 4:54pm

Also plenty of people watch it by accident on the wrong channel!

Discodog · 10-06-2018 6:20pm

fritzelly wrote: »

A satellite dish requires a licence

It doesn't. You cannot view tv with just a satellite dish

Capt'n Midnight · 10-06-2018 6:29pm

Discodog wrote: »

It doesn't. You cannot view tv with just a satellite dish

What do you call the little box at the end of a satellite dish ?

A council house :pac:

NinetyTwoTeam · 10-06-2018 6:31pm

Discodog wrote: »

fritzelly wrote: »

A satellite dish requires a licence

It doesn't. You cannot view tv with just a satellite dish

Yes but if there is a satellite dish on the house the inspectors will consider it evidence of having a telly and send you a letter stating such and you'll have to prove otherwise, went through it with them before in rented house with an old dish on it. Happily showed the lad my IP monitor hooked up to a laptop in the sitting room and sent him on his way.

And of course the cnuts sent out the same letter again a year later, wrote back and told them I had already proved I had no telly and they weren't going to be allowed in every year, and that any enquiries related to the dish could be sent to my landlord as the dish didn't belong to nor was being used by me. Haven't heard back since.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 10-06-2018 6:32pm

Thinkingaboutit wrote: »

It's all self generating, they're celebs if they're on RTÉ, so all they need do is interview each other, which they do already.

It's weird, they seem to act like everyone has just them on the TV down the country. Saorview, Virgin and Sky don't exist. They live in a time warp, even if they pretend to live in the 21st century. I mean there is zero justification for the sheer volume of imported programming. They can do excellent series, or commission quality programming. And the presenter salaries would not really be justified if the population had an extra zero, for this country it's insane. A TV presenter doesn't earn, I mean deserve, the salary of a CEO or President, both of whom would often be paid less.

I hope an accountant doesn't rob it on him again.

The Gay Byrne retrospective was pretty good as it happens, however in general RTE has nothing except a few decent house restoration shows.

Signore Fancy Pants · 10-06-2018 6:39pm

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fritzelly · 10-06-2018 6:41pm

Discodog wrote: »

It doesn't. You cannot view tv with just a satellite dish

Taken out of context - if you are using a dish for TV then you need a licence

weldoninhio · 11-06-2018 2:10am

NinetyTwoTeam wrote: »

Yes but if there is a satellite dish on the house the inspectors will consider it evidence of having a telly and send you a letter stating such and you'll have to prove otherwise, went through it with them before in rented house with an old dish on it. Happily showed the lad my IP monitor hooked up to a laptop in the sitting room and sent him on his way.

And of course the cnuts sent out the same letter again a year later, wrote back and told them I had already proved I had no telly and they weren't going to be allowed in every year, and that any enquiries related to the dish could be sent to my landlord as the dish didn't belong to nor was being used by me. Haven't heard back since.

Consideration is not evidence. You won’t be served with any court papers on the basis of assumption. You have to prove nothing. They have to prove you have a tv, not the other way round.

joeysoap · 11-06-2018 2:12am

Put €10 a month on every electricity bill. Simples.

quintana76 · 11-06-2018 7:54am

They should ask George Soros for a few quid. Oh wait! Maybe he is helping already as they sure are following his agenda on current affairs.

kneemos · 11-06-2018 8:16am

An Post says not us Gov we're doing great,it's RTE that's got its figures wrong.

RTE says is there anybody else out there to do this job.

https://m.independent.ie/business/media/an-post-claims-licence-fee-crackdown-would-only-deliver-11m-a-year-for-rte-36993471.html

SEPT 23 1989 · 11-06-2018 8:20am

So according to an post the evasion would only cover half of what RTE lost last year

Kermit.de.frog · 11-06-2018 8:22am

A majority here want services cut??? Presenter pay should be cut, not services. So they want less from RTE for what they pay for.

That is very Irish indeed.

lawred2 · 11-06-2018 8:29am

kneemos wrote: »

Channel four is a table,a few chairs and a giant telly. No doubt they managed to design it all by themselves as well.
The BBC just has the newsroom in the background.
Why does RTE need carry on like they're some giant network channel?

And why do RTE feel the need to pay two salaries for the one job?

Is there really a need for two people reading from the same teleprompter?

johnpatrick81 · 11-06-2018 10:57am

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

A majority here want services cut??? Presenter pay should be cut, not services. So they want less from RTE for what they pay for.

That is very Irish indeed.

Errrrrr no, we want our massively overpriced license fee reduced or bloody well removed.

Permabear · 11-06-2018 11:20am

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kneemos · 11-06-2018 11:29am

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

A majority here want services cut??? Presenter pay should be cut, not services. So they want less from RTE for what they pay for.

That is very Irish indeed.

A majority want presenters pay cut from what I've read.
Wouldn't amount to much if they did,but on principle they should.

Kermit.de.frog · 11-06-2018 2:28pm

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I agree.

But those that want RTE scrapped should consider what the alternative is.

We know what the alternative is. It's TV3. 80% + of TV3 programs are British. They had "Good Morning Britain" on for goodness sake a while back.

It's not an exaggeration to say that without RTE almost all television programs in the Republic of Ireland would be UK programs. That's hardly desirable in a country that is not suppose to be in the United Kingdom.

Obviously Ireland is a small market and we need to be realistic but i'd like to see more homegrown stuff (not only RTE by the way, tv3 is worse).

Permabear · 11-06-2018 2:37pm

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Red_Wake · 11-06-2018 2:37pm

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

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I agree.

But those that want RTE scrapped should consider what the alternative is.

We know what the alternative is. It's TV3. 80% + of TV3 programs are British. They had "Good Morning Britain" on for goodness sake a while back.

It's not an exaggeration to say that without RTE almost all television programs in the Republic of Ireland would be UK programs. That's hardly desirable in a country that is not suppose to be in the United Kingdom.

Obviously Ireland is a small market and we need to be realistic but i'd like to see more homegrown stuff (not only RTE by the way, tv3 is worse).[/quote]
How much of RTE's programming is imported?

Quite a sizable amount. And the programs that aren't tend to be bastions of nepotism.

Kermit.de.frog · 11-06-2018 2:48pm

Red_Wake wrote: »

How much of RTE's programming is imported?

Quite a sizable amount. And the programs that aren't tend to be bastions of nepotism.

I agree and think it should change.

I'm just saying that without RTE the situation would be total saturation of British programming. That's fine if that is what people want.

I think we should make a better effort at homegrown programming and unfortunately the only decent attempts can come from RTE.

Can't see private channels putting in those resources.

Permabear · 11-06-2018 2:49pm

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CrankyHaus · 11-06-2018 2:59pm

Permabear wrote: »

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They'd argue that they make a profit from that, which allows them to pay for domestic content, or that it attracts viewers, whom they can then show domestic content.

It is a problem for RTE that it is neither fish nor fowl: it is 2 commercial TV stations kept afloat by public service broadcast funding while dreaming of staying at or near the top of the ratings. Having a tighter organisation focused on public service broadcasting would be better but Montrose will never go for it when it can stay in the style to which it has become accustomed by selling bits of its D4 campus and
piling more tax on viewers.

TG4 don't have the same problem, they know they'll never get huge figures so they just go ahead and make public service broadcasting on a tighter budget.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 12-06-2018 12:13pm

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Provided they do it well that’s ok. I have no interest in the reality dancing or weight losss nonsense, but the property shows on RTE are ok.

Daniel and Magella, not normally my cup of tea, are entertaining enough.

kneemos · 13-06-2018 8:47am

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

RTÉ: yeah, let’s pay loads to show Eastenders at the same time the BBC show it, but with a commercial break in the middle...

Here's an hour long episode of Eastenders with a day in the middle.

kneemos · 13-06-2018 11:16am

kneemos wrote: »

Here's an hour long episode of Eastenders with a day in the middle.

Sorry, here's an hour long episode of Eastenders with a day in the middle.

https://www.thesun.ie/tvandshowbiz/tv/2701482/rte-eastenders-monday-june-18/

valoren · 13-06-2018 11:20am

Reduce it to one TV station.

Here is a daily sample of what RTE should be showing on that one station.

7am - 9am - Children's programming. An outlet for talent development. Like the Den of old. Basically, off the wall type stuff.

9am - 1pm A 'Sunday Brunch'/Morning Ireland type show. Two presenters who discuss live whatever daily goings on there happens to be. Someone cooking, someone interviewed, all the latest stuff from online. Get young people experienced as researchers on it.

1pm - The News

Afternoon fillers - The likes of the usual suspects like Room to Improve, At Your Service, Ear to the Ground, Operation Transformation i.e. the Irish-centric versions of international shows.

7pm - 8.30pm - Nationwide. Extend the format as it is to be longer. Incorporate elements like the old 'Hands' documentaries. This would be a roving report on interesting aspects of Irish life.

8:30 - 9 - Scrap Fair City and have an annual drama series from September to May. One year say a police drama, the next a murder mystery, the next, a historical drama, a legal thriller, a crime drama etc. Changing it up annually to develop writing, acting talent. The same cast and writers could be kept on. This would be the equivalent of a theatre company. It might be critically mauled but it would be infinitely better than Fair City.

9-9:30 - Evening News

9:30 -10.00 - Prime Time. Politics, investigative journalism etc.

10 - 10:30 - This would be the slot for something like 'The Cutting Edge'. A round the table debate on issues of the day.

10:30 - 11:30 - After the seriousness of the above, the light entertainment comes with 'The Late Show' i.e. the Irish version of the US night time talk shows. Pre-recorded in the previous afternoon e.g. it get's recorded at 5pm on a Wednesday but get's shown the following night. This allows for flexibility to allow booking 'marquee' guests here to promo their latest gigs. Get rid of the Late Late but have a 'live' version on Saturday Nights as is. The Late, Late as it stands is the equivalent of spreading little butter over too much bread. You'd have a guest, a band, a comedian etc.

11:30 - 12 - Perhaps documentaries about a variety of subjects. Maths, Popular Science, History, Religion etc. All home produced.

You'd have the intermittent events like International matches etc but the above schedule would be a template for daily programming during the week. No need for a second station and they can still have adverts to generate revenue.

No filling time slots with imports, the focus would be on one TV station alone.

Pelvis · 13-06-2018 11:30am

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I don't really see the issue with shows like this. The same could be said about the British shows, in that they're just imitating American shows but with British people.

Rather than just get rid of the shows altogether, we need to determine if they are viable. As in are they getting the ratings and subsequent revenue from advertising that justify their production?

monkeybutter · 13-06-2018 12:32pm

Muahahaha wrote: »

Fun fact No.1 The two RTE Orchestras cost 12 million a year to run
Fun fact No.2 RTE dropped the Premier League highlights which were watched by 300,000 people on Saturdays. The cost of the highlights was 500,000 a year.
Fun fact No.3 Channel 4 produces award winning documentaries and has a staff of 200. RTE does not and has a staff of 2,000

Proof, if even needed, that RTE exists only to serve its overbloated staff numbers and salaries and not the public who pay the license. Pony up and quit yer moaning people !

Where did you come up with you Channel 4 figures, as a group

They have good news a couple of of good programmes and the rest is a bag of ****e

Multiple channels all showing repeats

staff of nearly 800, a billion in revenue, spending more than rtes entire budget on regional programming only

675million sterling spent on content

For Come dine with me, first dates, 24 hours in A&e, the Simpsons, Hollyoaks

monkeybutter · 13-06-2018 12:38pm

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That's what people watch

Sure they could just go out and take in some classical music if they get bored

Permabear · 13-06-2018 2:29pm

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zell12 · 14-06-2018 3:20pm

Mystery presenter joins RTE big earners on over €300k pay
Who is it?

kneemos · 14-06-2018 3:26pm

Joe Duffy.

Christ.

James Brown · 14-06-2018 3:31pm

Rte should be means tested by an outside source and penalised for any nepotism. They should only show Irish made programming and cut out the advertising.

Kivaro · 14-06-2018 3:35pm

RTE doesn't really fear a public backlash or public discontent over any of this.
They will continue to stick their fingers up at us because they are protected.

With a number of referendum questions coming up for vote soon; how about an opportunity by the people of Ireland to decide whether or not to support this outrageously and ostentatiously run money pit of an organisation.

monkeybutter · 14-06-2018 3:36pm

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and yet you call for the culling of the Orchestras, make up your mind man

This is them doing both

They are their to produce both low brow, middle brow and high brow, you are just making it up

look at the BBC, they do both and are fully public funded

I suppose you find the likes of baking shows to be culturally enlightening

Wibbs · 14-06-2018 3:50pm

monkeybutter wrote: »

look at the BBC, they do both and are fully public funded

Sure MB, but their population is over sixteen times ours so their funding is massive by comparison. Though I do take your point. RTE's own productions are rarely of decent enough quality, the good stuff is almost exclusively produced by outside independent production companies. I reckon you could reduce the internal staffing of RTE by a helluva lot and siphon the money saved into independents and get better programming for it.

Me, I gave up on the telly a good while ago. Just got rid, signed the "Feck off, I don't have a telly" form. Job done. Most of what appears to be the popular(though I have my doubts) stuff is no interest to me. IE soaps, talent shows, the Ray D'Arcy how the fcuk is he on the telly show dating shows, the Tubirdy ego show, humiliating fat people for ratings and the like. I'm not into sport so no loss for me there. The vast majority of stuff I might want to watch I can get online through Netflix etc. I'm happy to pay for that. I'd likely be happy to pay for a channel streaming independently produced Irish material too.

monkeybutter · 14-06-2018 4:00pm

Wibbs wrote: »

Sure MB, but their population is over sixteen times ours so their funding is massive by comparison. Though I do take your point. RTE's own productions are rarely of decent enough quality, the good stuff is almost exclusively produced by outside independent production companies. I reckon you could reduce the internal staffing of RTE by a helluva lot and siphon the money saved into independents and get better programming for it.

Me, I gave up on the telly a good while ago. Just got rid, signed the "Feck off, I don't have a telly" form. Job done. Most of what appears to be the popular(though I have my doubts) stuff is no interest to me. IE soaps, talent shows, the Ray D'Arcy how the fcuk is he on the telly show dating shows, the Tubirdy ego show, humiliating fat people for ratings and the like. I'm not into sport so no loss for me there. The vast majority of stuff I might want to watch I can get online through Netflix etc. I'm happy to pay for that. I'd likely be happy to pay for a channel streaming independently produced Irish material too.

I think you missed my point.

Some of their stuff is unparalleled. They are the best public service broadcaster. RTE is sh*te in comparison for obvious reasons.

1. Budget
2. Use of budget

But they also produce masterchef and baking (now gone to C4) programs for the masses

They even have different channels for each audience, if a documentary is on BBC1 it's dog excrement to me, but some people like it

But that is what the public want and that's what they get.

And they have the proms and orchestras because they are too expensive and unpopular to float on their own but are culturally worth having, despite what the proles say.

RTE do produce programming of as good a quality as anyone, the Waterways programs come to mind and Podge and Rodge

say no more

VinLieger · 14-06-2018 4:03pm

Kivaro wrote: »

RTE doesn't really fear a public backlash or public discontent over any of this.
They will continue to stick their fingers up at us because they are protected.

With a number of referendum questions coming up for vote soon; how about an opportunity by the people of Ireland to decide whether or not to support this outrageously and ostentatiously run money pit of an organisation.

As much as i hate RTE i also really hate this call for referendum for everything under the sun people don't like.

Referendum are for changing our constitution, there is nothing about a national broadcaster in our constitution nor should there ever be so a referendum on RTE makes no sense.

AlmightyCushion · 14-06-2018 4:09pm

VinLieger wrote: »

As much as i hate RTE i also really hate this call for referendum for everything under the sun people don't like.

Referendum are for changing our constitution, there is nothing about a national broadcaster in our constitution nor should there ever be so a referendum on RTE makes no sense.

Maybe we should have a referendum to add RTE to the constitution, then we can have another referendum to abolish them.

Permabear · 14-06-2018 4:23pm

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Wibbs · 14-06-2018 4:33pm

monkeybutter wrote: »

RTE do produce programming of as good a quality as anyone, the Waterways programs come to mind and Podge and Rodge

say no more

Actually Waterways was one of those external production companies I mentioned, so they had little to do with it beyond commissioning it. The vast majority of their quality output, nature, travelogue, arts, drama is and has been externally sourced.

And my point re the BBC still stands, they get in five odd billion in revenue, RTE gets in what, three to four hundred million? Yes the BBC produces incredible quality programming, much of it again from independents, one of the best on the planet, but that kinda cash coming in really helps. Plus because of its far larger population and a very long history in media the UK has an enormous well of audiovisual talent to draw from. Think on it this way the greater metropolitan area of Birmingham isn't far off the whole population of Ireland, so the fact that some of the home produced stuff can be of any quality is pretty impressive.

Don't get me wrong, I still think RTE is an extremely bloated inefficient example of old style civil service thinking and needs culling and no mistake, but we could have a national broadcaster worth talking about for a lot less money and more money aimed in the right directions. Personally I'd reduce the whole thing to pretty much a commissioning body, with existing studio space that could be rented/loaned out to independents. In the TV end anyway.

kneemos · 14-06-2018 5:43pm

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They're popular kind of programmes and presumably make a few quid.

Billy86 · 14-06-2018 5:44pm

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Assuming it's Irish, at least teh B&B one creates Irish jobs in production, make up, crew, catering and on and on - jobs that develop the industry in this country. And even if they're brutal, they can be licenced out to other countries for money (lyrics board went to 20+ countries and that was woeful), or at least mean those making them will have more experience when doing so next time as often in film you need to be bad until you get good, fail forwards, etc etc.

In the case of neighbours it's just taking taxpayer money and mailing it straight off to another country. I don't mind the very odd, bargain basement cost show (to buy in) filling some gaps here or there, but the level to which RTE do this is nothing short of spitting in the face of the Irish taxpayer.

_Kaiser_ · 14-06-2018 5:56pm

Wibbs wrote: »

Me, I gave up on the telly a good while ago. Just got rid, signed the "Feck off, I don't have a telly" form. Job done. Most of what appears to be the popular(though I have my doubts) stuff is no interest to me. IE soaps, talent shows, the Ray D'Arcy how the fcuk is he on the telly show dating shows, the Tubirdy ego show, humiliating fat people for ratings and the like. I'm not into sport so no loss for me there. The vast majority of stuff I might want to watch I can get online through Netflix etc. I'm happy to pay for that. I'd likely be happy to pay for a channel streaming independently produced Irish material too.

While I agree with the sentiments here Wibbs, the problem is that - unless you want to watch everything on a laptop/tablet screen - you still need a physical TV, especially if you want something 40" or larger.

Yes, there are monitors that big, but they're generally very expensive, lack a lot of the TV-focused options (multiple HDMI, suitable refresh rates and resolutions, SmartTV apps for Netflix etc) and of course, speakers and a remote control.

There's also the upcoming plan to make you pay (again!) for your Netflix viewing when they introduce this Broadcast/Internet Tax (noting that you ALSO already pay VAT on your Internet sub too of course! Pay three times!)

Those who don't want RTE an genuinely don't watch/use it, shouldn't have to subsidise it - certainly not at the current charges and for the current content. In the modern TV era that means making it available through Pay TV platforms only (Sky, Virgin etc), and subscription-locked streaming options.

But this being Ireland, it'll never happen so we will indeed pay at least twice for something an increasing number of us don't even want/use.

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