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Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee *poll not working - pl ignore*

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  • Registered Users Posts: 17,428 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Some of the figures beggar belief
    600k for TV's - I mean seriously WTF? You can get a large 4k TV for under a grand (and even that would be too high tech for them but nothing wrong with future proofing)

    LED lighting at 150k - someone needs to have look at aliexpress (probably where the contractor will be buying them from). How the hell can it cost that much just for LED's

    As for the hologram comment - well I wouldn't notice the difference with the current evening news presenters. Also why do they need 2 presenters...Sky news have one most of the day

    Ahh well grand to be sure you're still gonna get paid regardless what you do.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,987 ✭✭✭JohnMc1


    while I don't agree with the license or the spend, a modern newsroom is certainly more than plywood and a few lights. they'll be modern digital doodads but still how they get 1.7 mil is beyond me even with the installation labour.

    When they know that they have the population by the throat ["If you don't pay your TV license fee you can be fined or even face prison"]they think money's no object.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,471 ✭✭✭EdgeCase


    News set build outs are never particularly cheap.

    Most of the cost would be design, lighting systems, automation systems and so on. It's a significant enough project.

    That's not the kind of cost that I would be complaining about in RTE. It's more the huge administrative overhead, the bits that are nothing to do with broadcasting and the very inflated salaries.

    TVE for example, back in 2014:



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,417 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    EdgeCase wrote: »
    News set build outs are never particularly cheap.

    Most of the cost would be design, lighting systems, automation systems and so on. It's a significant enough project.

    That's not the kind of cost that I would be complaining about in RTE. It's more the huge administrative overhead, the bits that are nothing to do with broadcasting and the very inflated salaries.

    TVE for example, back in 2014:



    Design consultants I suspect are taking a big chunk of the 1.7 million.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,471 ✭✭✭EdgeCase


    That stuff isn't cheap and there's been a big shift in uptake of HDTV which genuinely does warrant a total redesign to make use of it.

    The current setup is looking very tired at this stage and doesn't make great use of the high resolutions available.


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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 91,111 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    Instead of doing up the studio they could just get a couple of tins of green paint and do some CGI :P


  • Registered Users Posts: 20,417 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    EdgeCase wrote: »
    That stuff isn't cheap and there's been a big shift in uptake of HDTV which genuinely does warrant a total redesign to make use of it.

    The current setup is looking very tired at this stage and doesn't make great use of the high resolutions available.


    Does it need all the bells and whistles?
    Simple can work just as well.


  • Registered Users Posts: 20,417 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    Channel four is a table,a few chairs and a giant telly. No doubt they managed to design it all by themselves as well.
    The BBC just has the newsroom in the background.
    Why does RTE need carry on like they're some giant network channel?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,471 ✭✭✭EdgeCase


    BBC spent 1bn on that building refurb...

    Channel 4 news is also a bit more than a few chairs

    https://www.channel4.com/news/channel-4-news-moves-into-pioneering-new-studio


  • Registered Users Posts: 17,428 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    EdgeCase wrote: »
    BBC spent 1bn on that building refurb...

    Channel 4 news is also a bit more than a few chairs

    https://www.channel4.com/news/channel-4-news-moves-into-pioneering-new-studio

    That wasn't just on a news studio (still under criticism for spending that much on the building)

    Channel 4 can do what they like with their money - it's their money and not funded by Joe Public


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  • Registered Users Posts: 20,417 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    EdgeCase wrote: »
    BBC spent 1bn on that building refurb...

    Channel 4 news is also a bit more than a few chairs

    https://www.channel4.com/news/channel-4-news-moves-into-pioneering-new-studio


    Looks like a table and a few chairs to me.
    Unless there's something there I can't see.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,192 ✭✭✭Thinkingaboutit


    RTÉ have a new show starting next week about how people reacted to being interviewed by Gay Byrne on an RTÉ show!

    This is the future people. Embrace it.

    Yet another RTÉ show that’s main focus is another RTÉ show.

    It's all self generating, they're celebs if they're on RTÉ, so all they need do is interview each other, which they do already.

    It's weird, they seem to act like everyone has just them on the TV down the country. Saorview, Virgin and Sky don't exist. They live in a time warp, even if they pretend to live in the 21st century. I mean there is zero justification for the sheer volume of imported programming. They can do excellent series, or commission quality programming. And the presenter salaries would not really be justified if the population had an extra zero, for this country it's insane. A TV presenter doesn't earn, I mean deserve, the salary of a CEO or President, both of whom would often be paid less.
    Another payout for “uncle Gaybo”

    I hope an accountant doesn't rob it on him again.


  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,169 Mod ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy



    It's weird, they seem to act like everyone has just them on the TV down the country. Saorview, Virgin and Sky don't exist. They live in a time warp, even if they pretend to live in the 21st century. I mean there is zero justification for the sheer volume of imported programming. They can do excellent series, or commission quality programming. And the presenter salaries would not really be justified if the population had an extra zero, for this country it's insane. A TV presenter doesn't earn, I mean deserve, the salary of a CEO or President, both of whom would often be paid less.

    RTÉ: yeah, let’s pay loads to show Eastenders at the same time the BBC show it, but with a commercial break in the middle...


  • Registered Users Posts: 17,428 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    RTÉ: yeah, let’s pay loads to show Eastenders at the same time the BBC show it, but with a commercial break in the middle...

    Shhh, there's a few people in the bogs that can only get Irish stations so money well spent


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,471 ✭✭✭EdgeCase


    Also plenty of people watch it by accident on the wrong channel!


  • Registered Users Posts: 15,873 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    fritzelly wrote: »
    A satellite dish requires a licence

    It doesn't. You cannot view tv with just a satellite dish


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 91,111 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    Discodog wrote: »
    It doesn't. You cannot view tv with just a satellite dish
    What do you call the little box at the end of a satellite dish ?



    A council house :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 619 ✭✭✭NinetyTwoTeam


    Discodog wrote: »
    fritzelly wrote: »
    A satellite dish requires a licence

    It doesn't. You cannot view tv with just a satellite dish
    Yes but if there is a satellite dish on the house the inspectors will consider it evidence of having a telly and send you a letter stating such and you'll have to prove otherwise, went through it with them before in rented house with an old dish on it. Happily showed the lad my IP monitor hooked up to a laptop in the sitting room and sent him on his way.

    And of course the cnuts sent out the same letter again a year later, wrote back and told them I had already proved I had no telly and they weren't going to be allowed in every year, and that any enquiries related to the dish could be sent to my landlord as the dish didn't belong to nor was being used by me. Haven't heard back since.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    It's all self generating, they're celebs if they're on RTÉ, so all they need do is interview each other, which they do already.

    It's weird, they seem to act like everyone has just them on the TV down the country. Saorview, Virgin and Sky don't exist. They live in a time warp, even if they pretend to live in the 21st century. I mean there is zero justification for the sheer volume of imported programming. They can do excellent series, or commission quality programming. And the presenter salaries would not really be justified if the population had an extra zero, for this country it's insane. A TV presenter doesn't earn, I mean deserve, the salary of a CEO or President, both of whom would often be paid less.



    I hope an accountant doesn't rob it on him again.

    The Gay Byrne retrospective was pretty good as it happens, however in general RTE has nothing except a few decent house restoration shows.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,686 ✭✭✭Signore Fancy Pants


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  • Registered Users Posts: 17,428 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Discodog wrote: »
    It doesn't. You cannot view tv with just a satellite dish

    Taken out of context - if you are using a dish for TV then you need a licence


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Yes but if there is a satellite dish on the house the inspectors will consider it evidence of having a telly and send you a letter stating such and you'll have to prove otherwise, went through it with them before in rented house with an old dish on it. Happily showed the lad my IP monitor hooked up to a laptop in the sitting room and sent him on his way.

    And of course the cnuts sent out the same letter again a year later, wrote back and told them I had already proved I had no telly and they weren't going to be allowed in every year, and that any enquiries related to the dish could be sent to my landlord as the dish didn't belong to nor was being used by me. Haven't heard back since.

    Consideration is not evidence. You won’t be served with any court papers on the basis of assumption. You have to prove nothing. They have to prove you have a tv, not the other way round.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,239 ✭✭✭joeysoap


    Put €10 a month on every electricity bill. Simples.


  • Registered Users Posts: 751 ✭✭✭quintana76


    They should ask George Soros for a few quid. Oh wait! Maybe he is helping already as they sure are following his agenda on current affairs.


  • Registered Users Posts: 20,417 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    An Post says not us Gov we're doing great,it's RTE that's got its figures wrong.

    RTE says is there anybody else out there to do this job.

    https://m.independent.ie/business/media/an-post-claims-licence-fee-crackdown-would-only-deliver-11m-a-year-for-rte-36993471.html


  • Registered Users Posts: 43,028 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    So according to an post the evasion would only cover half of what RTE lost last year


  • Registered Users Posts: 23,625 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    A majority here want services cut??? Presenter pay should be cut, not services. So they want less from RTE for what they pay for.


    That is very Irish indeed.


  • Registered Users Posts: 24,335 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    kneemos wrote: »
    Channel four is a table,a few chairs and a giant telly. No doubt they managed to design it all by themselves as well.
    The BBC just has the newsroom in the background.
    Why does RTE need carry on like they're some giant network channel?

    And why do RTE feel the need to pay two salaries for the one job?

    Is there really a need for two people reading from the same teleprompter?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,752 ✭✭✭johnpatrick81


    A majority here want services cut??? Presenter pay should be cut, not services. So they want less from RTE for what they pay for.


    That is very Irish indeed.


    Errrrrr no, we want our massively overpriced license fee reduced or bloody well removed.


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