The Grapevine (OFF TOPIC CHAT) Part II

McDonalds do have 2 veggie options, they are dairy free and vegan except that the wrap passes through the same toaster as their buns which contain milk.

https://www.independent.ie/life/food-drink/mcdonalds-launches-a-vegetarian-and-dairyfree-happy-meal-in-ireland-37675653.html

All ingredients in the two new vegetarian items are dairy free and vegan.

However, McDonald's said: "The tortilla wraps pass through the same toaster as our buns, which do contain milk."

My eight year old tried the veggie happy meal, he did not like it, I tried it and really did not like it either. Pity they don’t offer plant “milk” as I found their coffee ok.

Mea culpa, I misunderstood your post.

Might try the adult version next time.

Tar.Aldarion wrote: »

I see burger king are bringing the impossible burger to their stores in the US, trialing it in 60 or so in in the US atm before moving it to the other thousands of locations. Called the impossible whopper.

Serving it with egg based mayo thought unless you ask for it without.

Which I find quite annoying. Would it really be that hard for them to serve it with a vegan mayo. Nobody wants a dry burger!

lads...ladies...does lidl stock tofu ?

Unearthly wrote: »

He also thinks the earth is flat and that there should be no law in society. People should be allowed to kill and harm who they want.

Nice guy

There's a lot of crazy people holding crazy views out there tbh. However laughing about anyone being assaulted or attacked is not good whatever you may believe tbh.

Eddie rockets for the summer (might be just a trial) are doing the beyond meat burger

Centra hot counter has launched a few items such as vegan sausage rolls

https://www.98fm.com/lifestyle/centra-vegan-deli-892835

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/meat-could-be-the-next-tobacco-as-governments-look-to-sin-taxes-as-a-solution-to-climate-change-2019-8

New Home wrote: »

For the first time in years, today I saw a small herd of cattle with their horns fully grown. It made me happy, even though I don't know what will happen to them, but at least the pain of having their horns burnt when they were calves was spared to them. I'm not sure if I'm making any sense...

I get what you're saying new home - however one of the principle reasons for stopping horns growing is welfare - to prevent cattle hurting each other when they are fully grown ie when they puck and play fight between themselves etc. It is also required under current legislation.

Disbudding of calves is carried out to comply with Regulations under the Diseases of Animals Act, (1966) which prohibits the sale or export of horned animals. Disbudding procedures must be carried out in compliance with the Protection of Animals (Amendment) Act (1965). Currently the legislation concerning dehorning of cattle requires that once calves are over two weeks of age disbudding may only be performed using with local anaesthesia. It is illegal to disbud a calf over two weeks old without using a local anaesthetic.

Like the spraying and neutering of pets - when the procedure is done correctly ime it should not cause the animal any significant stress or other problems. I do agree with you though - there's something nice about seeing cattle with a nice set of horns

A farmer on this forum thinking 100million pigs dying is a god’s send to them.

None of them correct him.

And they want people to feel sorry for them?

Lady Haywire wrote: »

If you felt so strongly about it why didn't you correct him instead of screenshotting it & coming over to the V&V forum to show off your outrage.
It's a persons opinion, not the opinion of every single farmer in the world. And just like you or I are allowed opinions & freedom of speech, they are too.

I can just imagine the replies I would have received if I did.

Tilikum17 wrote: »

A farmer on this forum thinking 100million pigs dying is a god’s send to them.

None of them correct him.

And they want people to feel sorry for them?

It's because all these animals mean to farmers is money. They might as well have a euro sign stamped on their backs. It's the primary motivation. It's not about the basic rights of other living beings, it's just business.

I'm sure someone will be along to counteract me any moment now, as it seems this forum is no longer a place for vegans/veggies to talk amongst themselves, it's a place where are views and thoughts are constantly set upon by farmers and meat eaters.

loveisdivine wrote: »

It's because all these animals mean to farmers is money. They might as well have a euro sign stamped on their backs. It's the primary motivation. It's not about the basic rights of other living beings, it's just business. I'm sure someone will be along to counteract me any moment now, as it seems this forum is no longer a place for vegans/veggies to talk amongst themselves, it's a place where are views and thoughts are constantly set upon by farmers and meat eaters.

Not so. Animal welfare and care is a huge part of farming, especially in Ireland - where have legislation and regulations which cover a lot more than just 'basic rights'. Farmers care for their animals not just because they have to - but because it's the right thing to do. Where there are exceptions - then that needs to be dealt with and not used to beat everyone up.

However if farming is being referred to and as a previous poster pointed out - all are tarred with the same brush - pretty much as in your comment - then of course others are going to reply. Boards is a discussion forum and not an echo chamber as far as I'm aware.

Tbh it would be fair to say if maintaining courtesy, respect, and exercising tolerance of opposing views is difficult, then discussion on public forum could definitely be difficult. But hey there we go.

Edited - forgot to include above.

gozunda wrote: »

Not so. However if farming is being referred to and as a previous poster pointed out - all are tarred with the same brush - pretty much as in your comment - then of course others are going to reply. Boards is a discussion forum and not an echo chamber as far as I'm aware.

Tbh it would be fair to say if maintaining courtesy, respect, and exercising tolerance of opposing views is difficult, then discussion on public forum could definitely be difficult. But hey there we go.

It's not that I'm looking for an echo chamber, I just genuinely feeling like discussing topics on this forum with other vegans has become impossible. Either yourself or someone else always turns it into a big debate and honestly it's just exhausting. It makes me not want to post any interesting talking points because I already know who's going to respond and frankly it stifles genuine conversation between vegans and veggies.